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Date: May 1st, 2013 12:59 PM Author: Carmine nofapping stage Discuss:
http://abovethelaw.com/careers/law-school-rankings/ |
Date: May 1st, 2013 1:01 PM Author: Vigorous trust fund where's dartmouth law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113830) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:11 PM Author: 180 casino wow, your hilarious! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113886) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:12 PM Author: Stirring puppy boiling water LOL WHAT A NOVEL NEW JOKE ABOUT LAW SCHOOLS AND LAY PERCEPTION!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113891) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:15 PM Author: Excitant university WHOLLY SHIT I AM LITERALLY PARALYZED WITH LAUGHTER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113909) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:34 PM Author: Bat shit crazy fear-inspiring trump supporter property Subject: don't listen to what those other jerks said, you are a funny guy LOLOLOL JK WHAT A FUCKING STUPID AND OBVIOUS JOKE!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114027) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 1:38 AM Author: elite generalized bond stock car LOL OMG YOU SHOULD BE IN COMEDY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23125210) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:01 PM Author: Dun ladyboy theater stage CLS/NYU = TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113836) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:02 PM Author: Carmine nofapping stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113837) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:19 PM Author: Crawly pungent kitty cat Duke and Va? LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113942) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:06 PM Author: Excitant university lol 10% "Alumni Rating" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113858) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:07 PM Author: Dun ladyboy theater stage *MAF single NYC shrews LAMBASTING their Alma Maters* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113863) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:10 PM Author: Excitant university Also ironic that in its effort to promote transparency, ATL includes a "non public" (i.e., meaningless) component that's worth TEN FUCKING PERCENT--2.5 percent more than it weighs SCOTUS/Fed clerkships (a statistic that actually means something).
What a fucking joke. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:13 PM Author: 180 casino ^ fucking retard. as a practical matter, scotus clerkships dont mean shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113894) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:14 PM Author: Excitant university Please, please tell me this is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113904) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: 180 casino well one thing's clear: you're most certainly NOT in the running for a scotus clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113925) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:21 PM Author: Excitant university THere are literally no unemployed former SCOTUS clerks.
Also, getting a Fed Ct. clerkship is a big fucking deal.
I recognize that as "temporary" positions that tend to go to the graduates of an elite few (HYS), these positions might not mean shit because they aren't opportunities to most law school graduates. But it's an important metric nevertheless because of the doors these positions open.
Now if ATL had included a metric for state court clerkships, I'd agree with you that that's a stupid statistic |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:13 PM Author: Carmine nofapping stage Yeah, they assert that alumni matter but do nothing to support said assertion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113896) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:14 PM Author: painfully honest hell crotch reminder that US News weighs "reputation" 40% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113905) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:16 PM Author: Excitant university Exactly. I thought the point of ATLs rankings were to "get to the stuff that matters"
Then they include a meaningless and obscure metric that also plagues USNews |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: painfully honest hell crotch but they don't weigh it nearly as much
i admit its something of a circular argument. if firms/judges don't interview candidates below a certain level of school, then they are taking "reputation" into account indirectly anyway. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:26 PM Author: bull headed indian lodge brethren you know this was only done so HY stayed on top lat and elie mad as FUARK |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:16 PM Author: bright new version meetinghouse DESPERATELY trying to be a relevant blog again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: bateful pearl private investor why shouldnt they do their own ranking? rankings are total bs regardless of how they're computed. the most ridiculous thing about the whole law school industry is how much people obsess over that us news crap. if you can't figure out within some range what the job prospects are for a school and compare that with your tuition/expected debt load/opportunity costs of law school, then you've got problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113928) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:21 PM Author: flirting parlor if you look at ATL's site traffic it's declined like 80% from a couple years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113947) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:22 PM Author: painfully honest hell crotch twinkletoes Lat can't seem to comprehend that many people came there for the comments
switching to a ridiculously bad comments system + no comments at all (even viewing) on mobile app = no pageviews |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:22 PM Author: Fragrant Godawful Kitty Market this ranking is diluting my prestige! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113958) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:23 PM Author: flirting parlor JFC only 54% of law grads get a job now??? LOLOLOL WTF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113967) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: Carmine nofapping stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114068) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:36 PM Author: Frozen location lol @ UT
LEITER HAVE YOU NO SHAME |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: Carmine nofapping stage T-14!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114069) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: Milky Razzle Dysfunction It doesn't seem like they put much thought into it.
Penn has best quality jobs most likely because Yale and Harvard are doing bigger and better things than biglaw and NYU is marketing itself to public interest kids.
The fact that they didn't bother to correct this red flag is telling. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:46 PM Author: Vivacious turquoise menage they make their methodology seem simpler and clearer-cut than it really is, which is sort of annoying given all the sneering they do at US News (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114099) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:26 PM Author: Stimulating Opaque Faggotry Principal's Office How do you want them to correct for people going into public interest jobs? You can't assume all public interest types chose it over biglaw or federal clerkships, because then you would be giving a boost to TTT schools where a PD gig is the best they could do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114306) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:36 PM Author: Vivacious turquoise menage yeah, there's probably no good way to be sure about the effect of something like NYU's emphasis on PI, but they should at least acknowledge that, rather than pretending that they're just a bunch of straight-talking bros reporting the facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114382) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:46 AM Author: glittery silver digit ratio base Lol @ NYU actually placing its public interest kids in decent employment. Also, its clerkship placement is atrocious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118728) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:32 AM Author: Vivacious turquoise menage whether or not they get "good" jobs is irrelevant. the point is they're not chasing the firm jobs and clerkships, which artificially deflates NYU's numbers somewhat, although probably not by a whole 25% or whatever they say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119571) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:47 AM Author: bright new version meetinghouse NYU's PI is pretty much flame, bro. To their credit, they do do good stuff with it, but the 25% figure is mostly garbage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118732) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 1:19 AM Author: vibrant box office (house pre-law student) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118922) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:50 PM Author: naked useless gas station haunted graveyard *awaits Leiter THAT'S NOT SCHOLARSHIP screed* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114123) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:03 PM Author: Violent Charismatic Twinkling Uncleanness It's hard to say. Usually any new ranking like this would produce an epic screed from Leiter. But both Chicago and UT made out pretty well in this ranking, so maybe he'll be approving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114178) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:05 PM Author: titillating heaven Although unlike the recent National Jurist fiasco, this one is not nuts and contains some useful information. More detail about response rates from the student and alumni surveys would be welcome. And the weighting of the different factors is, of course, inexplicable. It is, I think, useful for prospective students to see that some more regional schools in fact have very good employment outcomes.
(Thanks to Rick Hasen for the pointer.) http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/05/yes-yet-another-ranking-of-law-schools.html
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:35 AM Author: blue space toaster Good employment outcomes being shitlaw at 50k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119505) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:04 PM Author: titillating heaven Doobs on a plane to Santa Fe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114182) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:42 PM Author: lime floppy lettuce roast beef Actually this is a pretty good list. We've known for a while now that Columbia/NYU at sticker is a pretty horrible investment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114441) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Vivacious turquoise menage LJL
boalt at sticker, on the other hand... |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:47 PM Author: lime floppy lettuce roast beef All 3 are shit and are appropriately ranked 8-10.
Penn is probably your best option if you get dinged by HYS and still want to go to law school for some reason. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:25 AM Author: boyish frum fortuitous meteor *still want to tell people you go to an IVY LEAGUE school for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119495) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:42 AM Author: bright new version meetinghouse I thought Columbia is similar to Penn in just graduating everyone into BigLaw, but being more prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118698) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:03 PM Author: Passionate nursing home clown Class of 2012 -- only 1500 students got law school funded jobs? That seems wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23117818) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:05 PM Author: Violent Charismatic Twinkling Uncleanness ljl @ gulc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23117839) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:26 PM Author: Cerebral scarlet alpha toilet seat SECOND PAGE PLEASE, hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118036) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:30 AM Author: Cerebral scarlet alpha toilet seat COME ON. SOMEONE POAST THE SECOND PAGE! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119498) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:05 PM Author: Cerebral scarlet alpha toilet seat PLEASE! SOMEONE? ANYONE? SECOND PAGE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129331) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 1:34 AM Author: irradiated very tactful karate this is just an elaborate form of BYU trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119017) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:02 AM Author: Stimulating Opaque Faggotry Principal's Office I think it's super cheap, even for non-mormons, and they cop dem mormon clerkships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119540) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 1:40 AM Author: irradiated very tactful karate what is a Mormon clerkship? do you get to sit on the Mormon Tribal Council of Apostles with the Prophet or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23125216) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:31 AM Author: cheese-eating police squad shaking with rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119499) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:32 AM Author: blue space toaster Fordham got PWND by everybody from U.Houston to TTTulane. In all seriousness though ATL doing rankings makes more sense than USNews, a third rate hack magazine nobody reads, doing rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119500) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:01 AM Author: boyish frum fortuitous meteor When you consider that all lawyers are third-rate hacks... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119538) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:01 AM Author: Stimulating Opaque Faggotry Principal's Office I like much of the criteria. The law school transparency number of % in 101+ firm + % in fed clerkship is probably the most important number for ranking schools (other than Yale). Somehow combining this with % of grads working as actual lawyers, should give you a proper ranking of all but the most elite schools. And the SCOTUS stuff is probably good for elevating the truly elite schools from the Penns of the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119539) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:36 AM Author: Lemon state pocket flask just lol at using the NLJ 250. the bottom of that list is filled with glorified shitlaw. using the Am Law 100 would have made way more sense since it better approximates biglaw placement, the result people actually care about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119576) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:05 AM Author: Stimulating Opaque Faggotry Principal's Office They are even more encompassing than NLJ250, using "Firms with 101+ attorneys", I believe, from the official stats collected by the ABA and presented by law school transparency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120051) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:13 PM Author: Fishy cracking locale athletic conference I think something like Am Law 100 + all firms who pay BIGLAW rates so you get all quality boutiques + all firms who pay the highest rate of the market their in so you get the best firms in nebraska included. that way you don't punish the yalie who comes back home to lincoln to practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129359) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:58 AM Author: Nudist Rebellious Whorehouse How is UVA ranked so highly? Some recent article had them employing 20% of the graduating class in law school funded jobs, way above the average in this study. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120028) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:08 AM Author: Stimulating Opaque Faggotry Principal's Office IIRC, they counted those people as being employd in long-term full-time jobs requiring a JD, which managed to help their "employment score" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120075) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:11 AM Author: Vivacious turquoise menage cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120096) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:12 AM Author: lime floppy lettuce roast beef They offer a lot more in scholarship than NYU/Columbia, so the net cost for the shit degree is lower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120100) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:10 AM Author: carnelian fantasy-prone internal respiration orchestra pit well i am shocked, just SHOCKED that diesel's law school didn't make the list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120087) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:00 PM Author: Exhilarant Translucent Sweet Tailpipe why the love for dook? scholarship $$? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129308) |
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