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Fascinating article about woman who lived as a man for 18 months
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:06 PM Author: Avocado Racy State http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=1526982
TL;DR:
Female reporter infiltrates prole male social groups, including bowling team, strip club goers, monk trainees and group therapy session. Has the following conclusions:
1) Men are human beings, with emotions. Not pigs, as she expected. 2) Female hypergamy is bullshit, and dating as a man sucks. 3) Society shits all over men for no good reason. 4) "I really like being a woman... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:07 PM Author: Bearded people who are hurt explain her thoughts on #2 please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23266980) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:10 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Read the article bro, it's short and well written. Basically, she tried approaching girls but found it very difficult, and thought its unfair that men have to do cold approaches in packed groups and put their ego on the line, and woman can just shut them down. She also went on 30 online dates, which were unsuccessful. She realized that her expectations about what women want were wrong because women would not give the light of day to a sensitive man, and instead wanted stoic alpha bros. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23266985) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:25 PM Author: Bearded people who are hurt it was a good read. ty bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267029) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:25 PM Author: gaped mentally impaired parlour internal respiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267032) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:32 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Yw, yw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267050) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Primrose rehab crrrrrrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267695) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:07 PM Author: adventurous factory reset button alpha Did she fuck other women with strap-ons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23266981) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:11 PM Author: Avocado Racy State She does not go into this, but she does imply that she is bi/lesbian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23266987) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:58 PM Author: pontificating associate This is relevant to my interests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267636) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:30 PM Author: Honey-headed Stage Codepig shit libs so confused! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267829) |
Date: May 25th, 2013 12:14 PM Author: cerebral henna becky interesting read. also interesting how some of the doods thought she was a gay dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23266994) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:16 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Still accepted her despite being western Pennsylvania heteroprivileged fratty bros. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267003) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:17 PM Author: Azure den lol, the 20/20 reporter AGWWGs. so many xoxo stereotypes confirmed by this story...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/ap_juju_chang_white_house_dinner_ll_111014_wblog.jpg
(juju chang with her husband, prez of PBS) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:32 PM Author: confused lake juggernaut piazza lmao she converted to judaism too. ljl at asian women, and even more so at asian men. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267049) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:25 PM Author: Glittery national *goes to a "mens" therapy session*
*shocked that men are showing emotions* |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:25 PM Author: Bearded people who are hurt they werent showing emotion, they were showing rage. hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267033) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:31 PM Author: Avocado Racy State CR. this illiterate didn't read the article. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267044) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:34 PM Author: Blathering Floppy Trust Fund Mexican pics or it didn't happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267054) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:36 PM Author: Avocado Racy State http://www.jlopezdesign.com/sites/norahvincent/self-made_man/index.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267059) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 12:40 PM Author: Ocher ticket booth rigor so now that she's come forward, she's definitely gonna be charged with roger podacter's murder right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267072) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:04 PM Author: Cream shitlib voyeur Finkle is Einhorn! Einhorn is Finkle!
Einhorn is a man!
Einhord is a man?!?! |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 1:00 PM Author: Glittery national id be more interested if she did this in several countries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267164) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 1:37 PM Author: Disrespectful azn Is Feministe calling her a traitor and demanding reeducation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267279) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:11 PM Author: Primrose rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267698) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:44 PM Author: irradiated house Self-Made Man is a 180 book worth a read. the parts about dating, especially the chapter where she's in the bar as Ned, trying to talk to chicks, and getting shot down rudely before she reveals she's a woman and is INSTANTLY accepted into the social group of strangers, tell more about female privilege than a million MRA bloggers could ever conjure.
However, the book came out 7 or 8 years ago. did you just stumble on this? |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:48 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Yeah. Should I cop the book, or do I already know basically everything that I am going to read? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267574) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 4:06 PM Author: irradiated house borrow it from your local library. it's quick and there's not much use in owning it, but it's worth a full read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268050) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:52 PM Author: Impressive Cruel-hearted Half-breed Corner this has to be taken with a grain of salt. Mens egos protect them from the sting of rejection; women do not have this built-in protective mechanism. She was feeling rejected because of her looks, thats innate in women. She can't really know what it feels like to be a guy cuz she is viewing all this through a womans eyes, so her conclusions, while compelling, are not from pure observation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267598) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:55 PM Author: duck-like vermilion boltzmann field "Mens egos protect them from the sting of rejection"
this really isn't accurate in most cases. we continue to go after girls despite these rejections because of our desperate need for pussy, but rejection fucking blows. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Sickened Shrine Police Squad this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267638) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:00 PM Author: Impressive Cruel-hearted Half-breed Corner also, you have all your men friends telling you that the chick who rejected you wasn't worth it, is fat/ugly/stupid/a shrew/slut/pos, and they rally around you. Next time you all go out, they make sure you get laid, celebrate your conquest, pat you on the back and reaffirm your alphaness in the group. Pack mentality.
Women don't have this so much. They take the rejection personally, internalize it, wonder whats wrong with them, convince themselves something is wrong with them (stupid/weak/naive/ugly/fat/etc) and it wears away at their self esteem. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:02 PM Author: Frum reading party antidepressant drug "Women don't have this so much."
What the fuck? Are you living in bizzaro world? It is exactly women who have the support structure of having 5 girlfriends swoop in to say "Fuck him, he is a jerk" whenever something goes wrong. Men are the ones who are expected to internalize the hit and move on with limited to zero external support as admitting anything would show weakness. If anything, outside of PUA guys who roll together trolling for poon, a guys' friends are going to rib him when he fails.
On the whole, would I rather have male friends? You bet, but in this specific context, women have it substantially better. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267693) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:15 PM Author: Impressive Cruel-hearted Half-breed Corner sure, the women friends will sit around and shittalk the guy, but the girl still goes home feeling worthless, maybe a little cheered up, but still full of doubt about herself.
are you telling me that men who are rejected one night, then gets laid the next will still feel insecure about the first nights girl? As soon as he gets laid, and this can be by any chick at this point, and she is usually an unattractive girl right, the guy and his pack celebrate it and the rejected guy feels great again.
Women can't and also dont want to do this. Getting laid is not going to restore the girls self esteem, especially not by a one night stand. The guy can. She can't. So maybe the equivalent is she strings along some betta dood all night to get her ego massaged, then dissapears at last call, gives him a fake number, but she won't feel very good about it. Do you think the guy who fucked the quiet fat chick will ever give her a second thought? And who is the bigger victim: the guy who wasted a few hours and bought a few drink on a chick he could not score with, or the girl who allowed a guy to fuck her? They were both lied to.
Guys have it a lot better in these situations.
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:22 PM Author: Avocado Racy State You are willfully ignorant to the fact that men are much worse at taking rejection, and do not have the emotional tools to deal with rejection. And these "packs" of which you speak are a fabrication of your ignorant mind. Men are socialized to strive, achieve, and be winners. When they fail, there is no socially acceptable way to deal with it.
That's why men abuse drugs and alcohol more than women, and why men commit more than 80% of the suicides. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:29 PM Author: Impressive Cruel-hearted Half-breed Corner i am not willfully ignorant of anything, i am making my comments from observation. WOmen are also socialized to strive, achieve and be winners - do you not have any sisters? women friends?
As for drug and alcohol abuse: link? Maybe women are more resilliant long term, maybe they find their peace through less destructive and terminal actions. But you ask any women who she thinks has it better in the mating game, and they will say its men. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:34 PM Author: Frum reading party antidepressant drug What do you think is one of the, if not THE, number one reason why men commit suicide (at a rate 4x that of women)?
Answer: A nonexistent social infrastructure that leaves them feeling isolated and trapped. As much as this bort likes to make light of the "Chos of the world and NOWAG" there is a nugget of truth to the fact that it is men who, because of what we are talking about in this thread, suffer tremendous harm at the hands of society and women for boxing them into a life where meaningful contact and emotional connection with others is nonexistent. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:53 PM Author: Impressive Cruel-hearted Half-breed Corner 40, 50, and even 60 year old men can still find women 10, 15 or 20 years younger than them, it happens all the time, you see it everywhere. Men will always have the advantage of finding a mate. In real life, and as is fully and whole heartedly supported by this chatsite, women are essentially worthless after age 40 - their mate finding days are over, or they settle in with some guy they are not attracted to for the sake of security. Or they find another way to cope - dote on children, family, pets, become volunteers, whatever.
Who are these guys who commit suicide? They are usually addicted or clinically depressed and are no longer able to attract a partner. Who would want to date an alcoholic or a drug addict - thats just taking on a burden that would make a woman less better off than being alone.
Men win.
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:58 PM Author: Frum reading party antidepressant drug "Mens egos protect them from the sting of rejection;"
This is wrong bro. As much as this bort loves to be hyper-masculine, the vast majority of doods IRL are scared shitless of approaching women because of the chance of rejection. I don't think one gender suffers any worse than the other when it comes to potential mate rejection. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: duck-like vermilion boltzmann field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267637) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:01 PM Author: pontificating associate Nothing you said makes sense.
Nothing except pussy and/or money takes the sting out of being rejected.
lol @ thinking my ego will make me feel better after being unceremoniously ignored/rejected by a chick in front of other people. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 5:08 PM Author: comical zippy brethren lay Ceremonious rejection is worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268363) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Avocado Racy State (Sexist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267696) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:03 PM Author: Slate Hilarious Trailer Park butch lesbian lifelong "tomboy" extols the virtues of being a man
INSIGHTFUL |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:12 PM Author: Primrose rehab (maf jezebelian) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23267707) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 5:56 PM Author: bossy blue set goyim One of the best things about it is that it must be KILLING shitlib-shitfems not to be able to make this point because doing so would be a violation of the Shitlib Code. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268631) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 4:19 PM Author: Orchid coffee pot gunner Again, Vincent saw the men struggle with vulnerability. "They don't get to show the weakness, they don't get to show the affection, especially with each other. And so often all their emotions are shown in rage," she said.
Instead, Vincent said, the men talked about rage, often their rage toward women, and what they would do physically and violently toward women.
"A lot of this was blowing off steam. ...They would talk about fantasizing about chopping up their wives or something. It's not that they would ever do that, but it was a way to get out the blackest thoughts," she said.
Norah began to empathize with the fear and stress men feel for having to always be the strong provider. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 4:21 PM Author: lavender naked son of senegal lol @ this idiocy psa: no one accepted this person as "one of the guys", and this whole articles is rubbish.
she clearly came across as some kind of freak, whom half the people she encountered immediately thought was some kind of gay tranny. her experience is meaningless and non-representative. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 4:25 PM Author: Avocado Racy State Man, ding yo. I saw the 20/20 special where they showed her costume. She came across as an effeminate dood, but still believable. Still more manly than some of the unfortunate betas on this bort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268170) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 4:31 PM Author: Orchid coffee pot gunner definitely more manly than the median azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268199) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 5:25 PM Author: abnormal territorial masturbator scourge upon the earth she got pwned for being azn. Of course being a normal asian woman is better than being an effeminate azn man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268466) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 5:36 PM Author: Avocado Racy State She's a white girl breh. The azn is just the reporter who interviewed her on 20/20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268540) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 5:29 PM Author: razzle liquid oxygen doctorate now slightly disappointed b/c she is lesbian and can't be wifed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2265354&forum_id=2#23268495) |