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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:01 PM Author: Contagious Navy Trailer Park What is your practice area? How many years in are you, and if you could, would you have picked a different practice? |
Date: June 1st, 2013 11:02 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Litigation
1st year
I'm fine with my choice so far. I know about the exit options being better in Corporate, but I just don't have the same interest in the work. Given how often I'm run down by this stuff, I just don't think I could deal with something worse. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:07 PM Author: gay principal's office rigpig Bro are you already run down? You seem to be on an uptick in poasting which could either be a BIG POSITIVE or a net negative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314083) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:09 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse I guess I shouldn't call it being run down. There's just a sizable part of the work I have to do that can get rather tedious. However, even as the low man on the totem pole, there are plenty of things about litigation that I enjoy. I just don't think I'd get the same satisfaction out of another practice group, especially stuff like capital markets.
What do you mean about my poasting, brother? |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:12 PM Author: Bisexual stirring stead How much doc review do u do?
How much shit drafting objections to nigga discovery requests do you do?
How much research on Lexis/Westlaw about some boring arcane stupid issue just to drive up the bill to the client do u do? |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:21 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse 1) I would say document review makes up, on average, anywhere from a third to half of my work. I should qualify that somewhat. I'm including in this things like preparing chronologies, working on the practicalities of a production, etc. Still, a very solid chunk is doing second level document review.
2) I've drafted both offensive and defensive discovery materials. I don't do this quite as much as document review, but it comes up a decent amount.
3) Research is a big part of my workload so far. For the most part, it's discrete tasks that require an informal memorandum or something like that. I've done some more involved stuff for a summary judgment brief I'm helping a midlevel draft.
So, yeah, I think you pretty much hit the top three categories of shit I do. The fourth would be deposition or interview preparation, which includes just about every menial task you could conceive. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:22 PM Author: Bisexual stirring stead lol god damn BIGLAW asscoiates suck ass.. go solo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314213) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:23 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Maybe one day I will. For now, I need Biglaw for a few reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314227) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:12 PM Author: gay principal's office rigpig Poasting more often. It could either be a good thing since poasting can be a happy thing or it could be a bad thing if it's indicative of MASS NEGATIVITY.
I guess it can be neutral too but that's more boring. I tend to poast more if things are well or bad, not so much when it's status quo. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:21 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse I get what you mean. I think it's the result of feeling better lately. I don't know if I would say I was in a legitimate xo-style slump, but things were a bit of a drag for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314209) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:50 PM Author: gay principal's office rigpig Nice. There seems to be more pep in your poasting so that's good man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314433) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:51 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Thanks, brother. Glad to see it's showing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314441) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:09 PM Author: flickering cumskin 4th yr, corporate securities
given the chance, i would have probably picked IP, I have hard science background |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:10 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse You could get your dick sucked every day, if you had, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314102) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:19 PM Author: flickering cumskin i regret going into this shit practice area where lifestyle is the worst of all practices, work is super boring and junior bankers fuck me in the ass on whim. Huge mistake, too late now, i am fucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314189) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:22 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Yeah, not having to deal with bankers is pretty nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314218) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:15 PM Author: Violent amethyst prole corporate, 4th year
feels good man |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:15 PM Author: chocolate vivacious brunch Fourth year in a DC biglaw regulatory practice.
Love the job. Generally 9-6, very few weekends. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:19 PM Author: Violent amethyst prole wtf is a 'regulatory' practice? do you just review the reg disclosure for various BS securities offerings? how the fuck do you meet your hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314184) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:20 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business It could be FDA, health care, environmental. Basically, a practice dealing with regulatory agencies and their enforcement of laws/regulations. I.e., administrative law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314202) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:22 PM Author: Violent amethyst prole i know. that shit's gay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314221) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:25 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Eh, I didn't spend my first two years doing doc review. And I generally don't have to deal with last-minute deadlines and client demands. Could be worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314243) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:23 PM Author: chocolate vivacious brunch Won't specify because each practice is a pretty narrow niche, but examples are FDA, gov. contracts, communications, privacy, transportation, energy, etc. A lot of the work involves administrative agency filings. Also advisory work. Pretty easy to meet hours. And I'm gaining great substantive experience, unlike my litigator friends who spend most of their time supervising doc review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314232) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:59 AM Author: flickering cumskin I work in cap markets and based on my interaction with SEC regulatory guys, they know far more about the laws than we do and their work seems to be a lot more interesting than ours; lots of writings, memo, etc. gonna love that stuff if you are going into regulatory, i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314883) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:23 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse How's Covington, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314231) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:18 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business 8th year. Regulatory practice. It's actually pretty solid, but the in-house options are somewhat limited. I'd like to go back and do some general corporate work as a 1st year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314173) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:18 PM Author: Violent amethyst prole LJL
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:29 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Why? I've spent 8 years usually billing less than 2,000 hours. If I get a counsel spot, I'll stick around for another 3-4 years. If not, no big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314271) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:33 PM Author: chocolate vivacious brunch CR. This is exactly my philosophy. I don't have the exit options of corporate associates or the earning potential of litigators, but I have two young kids and I get to have dinner with them every night, while making the same amount of money as the corp and lit associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314301) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:35 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Ditto. I have no interest in being a partner at a large firm. Well, I should say that I have no interest in doing what it takes to become a partner at a large firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314313) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:40 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse What are those things? I'm always curious to hear from senior people about this subject. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314348) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:55 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Mostly hours. Partner-type folks are billing 2,500 plus at my firm. No thank you.
But there's also added responsibilities from busines development (client interaction, conferences, speaking engagements, articles, client alerts, etc.), firm committees, and firm events if you want to show that you are really committed. Everyone should be active on the client development front because you may need those relationships even if you leave, but all the other extra nonsense adds up too. It's not like there's a lot of hours left in the day if you are billing 2,500 hours/year.
One big item for me, though, is that my worst-case scenario is doing all of the above (2,500 hours/year and all the other stuff) and not making partner. And I've seen it happen over and over and over again. It'd be one thing if checking all the boxes pretty much guaranteed a partnership, but that isn't the case now if it ever was. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:56 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Thanks, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314460) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:00 AM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business You bet. Good luck to you. Big law can be tough, but there are ways to get as much out of the firm as they are getting from you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314483) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:08 AM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Yeah, I definitely recognize the value of the training and experience I'm getting or will be getting down the line. I'm in no way prepared to do many practical things in the law right now. That's why I laugh at bros who exhort xoers to "Just do SOLO, breh." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314539) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:11 AM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business I hear you. I'd be nervous going solo even now but I look at folks who are dumber and lazier and somehow have made it work.
Don't ignore the client side of things, either. I've always thought that client interaction (much talked about as a recruiting pitch) is somewhat overrated since clients are often pains in the ass, but they can provide you with a lot of good advice and opportunities if you find the right ones. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:30 PM Author: Iridescent house appellate + regulatory (dc). 2d year (clerkship + 3/4). will not move for as long as they'll have me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314280) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:37 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business I might change my answer above to looking at an appellate practice. They can be super competitive to get into but it seems like there's interesting work there so long as you like brief writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314328) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:40 PM Author: Iridescent house i think you have to more than like brief writing, and treat it as an art. what does your reg practice involve—responding to rfcs? enforcement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314345) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:59 PM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Agreed.
Don't really want to elaborate, but I am usually working with a specific governmental agency to get approval for my clients' activities. There's not a lot of enforcement action to deal with. |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:42 PM Author: chocolate vivacious brunch biglaw appellate associates are generally insufferable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314369) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:08 AM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business This. But i guess that's to be expected when all the SCOTUS and Circuit clerks (i.e., former law review dorks) want to be the next John Roberts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314536) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:51 AM Author: Iridescent house truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314827) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:35 PM Author: racy plum pozpig regulatory. second year. would have picked same group, different firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314312) |
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Date: June 1st, 2013 11:43 PM Author: Ruby High-end Crackhouse Not looking for anything that would out you, but why is that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314378) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:06 AM Author: Swashbuckling gas station windowlicker regulatory. 1st year (switched after 1 year of lit and 1 year of a d.ct. clerkship). So far like this vastly better than lit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314523) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:09 AM Author: flirting fat ankles place of business Seems like there's a theme in this thread. Regulatory lawyers: our colleagues may crap on us, but we're happier than they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314542) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:10 AM Author: Chestnut hospital 7th year real estate. I like it.
Finally learned what the fuck I'm doiing.
Somewhere between mid law and biglaw |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 12:11 AM Author: Misanthropic Wild Chad first year, corporate.
So far so good
Probably would have picked to focus on M+A instead of secured transactions if I could, but not that big a deal to me as long as I get out of here by year 4 |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 1:02 AM Author: flickering cumskin hard to get anything decent these days in securitization, except to go to other firms, but it may be different for you. the firms cut their securitization departments dramatically in the class years above you, meaning you will encounter less resistance moving up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23314901) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 1:55 AM Author: Cracking Unholy Sanctuary Nibblets Secured transactions groups and securitization groups are very different things. I'm one of the very, very few people around who does a lot of both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23315123) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 1:19 AM Author: Alcoholic Blue Goyim Hunting Ground 5th year lit. I actually enjoy this shit, and like the variety of general lit.
Biglaw -- but am very lucky to have found the right partners to work for. Seen a lot of miserable associates drop out over the years. Might be in this for the long haul. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:10 AM Author: chest-beating turquoise indian lodge rigor Ancient, lit, pretty happy overall, but probably would have picked being a straight up M&A or corp fin guy, but I would have had to be in MFH.
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:15 AM Author: doobsian menage filthpig 0L headed off to GULC this fall, hoping for appellate (focusing on scotus) practice along /w int'l arbitration and human rights tribunals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23315161) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:37 AM Author: Floppy Address International Law Enforcement Agency Brother, you picked a top-notch law center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2271267&forum_id=2#23315216) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2013 2:36 AM Author: orchid bespoke wagecucks Lit.
Midlevel.
I really like it... my mindset and natural skills line up well with lit, so I don't doubt I'm doing the right thing. Biglaw longterm? Doubtful. I'm hoping my endgame involves a midsize suburban firm. Goal is to develop enough skills through biglaw to be just a rock solid litigator. I've seen so many bad litigators that I feel like any half-decent one will always do alright in the long run. |