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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Started reading this board when I was in law school. Haven't been on here for a while - happy to take questions about law school, biglaw life, hiring, etc. Not sure if anyone even uses this board anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352862) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Hyperactive mentally impaired nursing home telephone Shitty flame is shitty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352866) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:36 PM Author: curious house headpube How did you endure? I'm fucking sick of it at 2 years.
Also, lit or corp?
I'm in lit. I feel like all litigation is rent seeking. I have yet to see a lawsuit that should actually have been filed. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:39 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret My first two years were rough - it was hard to find a balance between too much work and too little work. But I'm pretty happy now. I found a niche in a small practice group. And I work for a few partners who are decent human beings, which is pretty rare in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352901) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:44 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352933) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 8:29 AM Author: floppy theatre Outed as flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358048) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:09 PM Author: puce histrionic toaster stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353139) |
Date: June 8th, 2013 2:35 PM Author: Racy Duck-like Church Wrinkle interests section on resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352865) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:42 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret i don't think it matters either way, as long as you don't have any weird interests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352918) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:44 PM Author: Dull jewess love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352932) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:36 PM Author: Diverse Jap lol why are you still in the service industry after 6 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352870) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: curious house headpube WTF does a biglawyer do other than do biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352881) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret good question. i'm looking for a manufacturing job but all the plants shut down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352921) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:46 PM Author: Diverse Jap ur clients laugh at u behind ur back. start a business, man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352948) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: sable soggy gaming laptop your thoughts on associates wearing baggy, $50 polyester suits to work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352876) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:40 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret clients notice. you make more than 200k/year, pay for a tailor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352905) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren I think this is flame. The biggest rainmakers in the office dress like dog shit. They're clueless about what quality clothes look like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352925) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:03 PM Author: Magical faggot firefighter business people need to look good in their suits. lawyers are basically presumed to be aspie nerds. for the most part (especially for non-litigators), they aren't expected to look all that nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353101) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:04 PM Author: Slimy step-uncle's house this is completely wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353107) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:28 PM Author: vivacious lilac market reading party not clueless, they just dont give a shit (protip: no one who matters gives a shit about your fucking clothes)
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: bearded hairy legs stock car are you one of the "cool" associates on the RC because you're presentable to interviewees but will never make partner? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352878) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:52 PM Author: laughsome garrison How's that Israeli girl who doesn't exist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356924) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm vault range? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352923) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:45 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret 1-20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352938) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:18 PM Author: Dashing violet state stain . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356098) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:46 PM Author: Medicated kitchen partner how much do grades matter for laterals? i know they always matter to a certain degree, but once the candidate's grades are above the "decent" threshold, do you differentiate based on difference of a few hundreths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352952) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:49 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret depends on the school. we request transcripts from laterals but I don't think it matters as much as it does for summers. but i don't know too much about lateral hiring because that's a separate hiring committee (i'm on the committee that picks the summers and decides whether to make full-time offers) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352976) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:52 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm most important factors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353008) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:53 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret for laterals? what matters most is their experience and specific practice group needs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353014) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:55 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm no for summers, sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353028) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:58 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret 1. grades/school (hard cutoff for each school, unless you have an engineering background) 2. whether you are an aspie during your interview (disqualifies about half of the call-backs) 3. soft factors (previous work experience, undergrad background, etc.)
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm How important are law school activities and what not? Asking this as a median white dude who didn't moot and might not get a journal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353060) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:00 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret law review helps at the margins. other journals or activities really don't matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353071) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:01 PM Author: Slimy step-uncle's house so it really is all about grades/school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353080) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:01 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm ty ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353081) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:11 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm Does your firm request transcripts? If so, if a candidate is above your average callback GPA but had a shit second semester, would the committee take that into consideration? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353159) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:17 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret yes, we request transcripts.
as long as you don't have any C's or LP's, a few bad grades one semester won't hurt you. what matters is your overall transcript. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:20 PM Author: Copper Aphrodisiac Business Firm Thanks for responding to my q's, I really appreciate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353223) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:47 PM Author: Slimy step-uncle's house how many coworkers have you had sex with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352953) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:47 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret none. i think my wife would mind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352965) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:50 PM Author: flushed affirmative action rigor NYC or elsewhere? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23352987) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:52 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret elsewhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353004) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:57 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren DC? SF? LA? San Diego?
If one of the above, will you hire me bro? |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:58 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret DC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353054) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren Nice. Hire me bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353068) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:08 AM Author: Alcoholic comical set Dude, be a bro and hire a fellow poaster. WTF. I'll send you my resume if you give me a throw away complete with a back slash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357873) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:56 PM Author: Slimy step-uncle's house how much is "diversity" considered and which kinds are considered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353037) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret it helps, but you still have to meet the same grade cut-offs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353059) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 2:59 PM Author: Slimy step-uncle's house do you try to get a nig and a spic in each class? are gooks preferred too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353069) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:04 PM Author: bearded hairy legs stock car outed as someone at a ttt firm. an insufficient number of minorities would meet the normal cutoffs of a prestigious firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353104) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:02 PM Author: lime aromatic boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354800) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:18 PM Author: Costumed Nudist Address How do you like Gibson? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353566) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:01 PM Author: bearded hairy legs stock car nothing useful has been said on this thread. dunno if this dude is a boring robotic drone, or the questions are shitty. any 2nd yr biglawyer who has done a few interviews and done an OCI day can give the info he's provided (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353083) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:08 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret what would you like to know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353134) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:02 PM Author: flushed affirmative action rigor Share the opinion you have developed on associates from the following schools:
Yale Harvard Stanford Columbia Chicago |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:10 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret haven't developed generalized opinions about each school - really depends on the candidate. i have seen that students from the top tier, but non-T14, schools work harder and often produce better work. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:58 PM Author: narrow-minded startling twinkling uncleanness whorehouse What the hell is a top-tier, non-T-14 school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353805) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:46 AM Author: vermilion appetizing locus 15-50. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357505) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:23 PM Author: puce histrionic toaster stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353246) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:28 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret As long as you're somewhat sociable, you can glide through interviews. We don't ask any substantive questions. Just basic stuff like, "What practices are you interested in?" and "Why did you go to law school?" Just smile, look the interviewers in their eyes, be normal. It's not like consulting interviews, where they want to see how smart you are.
You're right at the borderline for my firm. Not an auto-ding, but if you have something like good pre-law work experience or law review, that could help. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 3:30 PM Author: puce histrionic toaster stage thank you, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353295) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:07 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business Sure are a lot of pumos itt :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353491) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:11 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren Dont want to be OUTED bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353511) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:16 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business Ok BASHIR!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353545) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:16 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business Ok DZOKHAR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353551) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:17 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren Ok Jeremy Meyer, third year associate with Kaye Scholer, DC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353558) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:18 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business WTF MDOS!!!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353562) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:19 PM Author: Sadistic glittery temple brethren It's a joke BRO. There'e no Jemery Meyer at Kaye Scholer. I just put together a first name, last name, year, firm, and location.
Ok Mark Sullivan, sixth year securities associate at Goodwin Procter, NY. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:26 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business There is no Jeremy? Then WHO have I been delivering mail to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353608) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:44 PM Author: Alcoholic comical set Lol Ur fuckd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353724) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:15 PM Author: Shaky Lemon Institution Discuss the process of making full-time offers to Summer Associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353543) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 4:55 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret When the summer program is winding down, the committee meets and goes over all of the work reviews. We vote on each summer. In reality, they'll get offers as long as the reviews are generally neutral to positive. One negative review won't sink you, but more than one makes us review the file very carefully, and we often contact the partners/associates for more information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23353773) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 5:02 PM Author: stirring cruise ship Describe the reasons you no-offer people. What percentage of people do you no-offer? Describe their reactions to getting no offered.
Also, describe correlations between quality of work as a summer associate and quality of work/longevity of an associate. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:57 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Very small percentage - 0-5%. The no-offers are the ones who have consistently bad reviews. They're usually aware that there are problems, so it's never a surprise.
Most summer associates do pretty good work. None of it is really useable, but they bluebook it properly and put in solid effort. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:51 PM Author: useless tantric den windowlicker What are the gpa cutoffs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354732) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:58 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret varies by school. it has become harder in the past few years with Harvard and Stanford switching to the weird grading system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354773) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:06 PM Author: useless tantric den windowlicker Percentile for ccn hys and MVP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354823) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:26 PM Author: useless tantric den windowlicker how high are these cutoffs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354956) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:29 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret our recruiting office has the exact formula (the schools provide the data, even for the schools that are on the H/P system). it's approximately 25% for the top six schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354981) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:51 PM Author: Purple Meetinghouse how fast would you leave for BIGFED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354739) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:58 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret i wouldn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354777) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:58 PM Author: Purple Meetinghouse what is your personal life like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354779) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:01 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret good relationship with wife. kid due in three months. i see my friends on weekends, and i'm usually home by 6 or 7 every night. can't really complain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354790) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:09 PM Author: Hyperventilating excitant lodge idea he suggested When do you get in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356062) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:52 PM Author: hilarious stag film Do you have anything to share that isn't obvious to every 0L on TLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354741) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 6:58 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret what would you like to know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354778) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:03 PM Author: lime aromatic boistinker what are you going to do when they force you out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354804) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:05 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret who knows. i've been told that i'm a shoe-in for partner in two years, but who knows. our practice group is very busy right now, and if it slows down they very well could change their tune. not really worried - have saved a shitload (wife is also a biglawyer), and i have plenty of in-house options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354812) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:07 PM Author: Medicated kitchen partner How'd you get into that practice group? What do the litigators that leave normally do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354826) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:09 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret just kind of fell into it in my first year at the firm - they needed an associate.
many of our litigators become AUSAs or go to main Justice or other fed agencies. some clerk (often career clerkships). some teach. some leave law altogether because they are sick of it. our litigators usually leave the fastest because they have the worst hours. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:10 PM Author: lime aromatic boistinker lol. you're not going to be a partner. describe the regulatory in-house opTTTions of a DC "biglawyer." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354841) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:12 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret not entirely sure that i even want to be partner. they work really hard, and the junior partners don't make a lot.
in-house options are good. senior associate who has the right specialty could make 150-200k (at least that's what i've been told by the clients that have asked me to interview in-house) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:15 PM Author: lime aromatic boistinker that's not bad for DC I guess. people who leave my group in NYC as 3-4th years usually pull closer to 200k than 150k (including bonus etc) but NYC is obviously more expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354873) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:17 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret dc is expensive, but definitely cheaper than nyc. if you can't survive on 150k in dc, then you need to evaluate your spending habits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354891) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:19 PM Author: multi-colored range HOW CAN YOU AFFORD A HOUSE IN DC ON 150K! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354907) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:21 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret wife also has had a biglaw salary for nearly six years, and we have saved a ton (650k). neither of us had loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354924) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:26 PM Author: yellow outnumbered sneaky criminal puppy dude, that is actually terrible savings for 2 biglaw lawyers for 6 years with no loans and no kids....especially with the market the last 4 years. You guys are merely reasonable savers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356158) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:29 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Well, there's an additional 200k in downpayment that we made on our house last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356197) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:33 PM Author: yellow outnumbered sneaky criminal puppy ok. that is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356228) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:16 PM Author: godawful navy pozpig You sound like an insufferable faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354882) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:17 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret thanks man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354892) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:30 PM Author: claret tank bawdyhouse Have you ever wanted to practice law instead of team-paper-pushing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23354990) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:33 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret I wouldn't say that's what I do, but I guess you would know better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23355000) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:41 PM Author: claret tank bawdyhouse My opinion comes from so many courtroom victories against biglaw "litigators" that I've lost count. They excel at discovery. But when it matters in court, not so much. I'm in government btw. If you're in tax or energy or some other regulatory group, then you are likely at the top of our profession and I tip my hat to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23355063) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:55 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret I am in a regulatory practice. Didn't want to litigate. Don't regret the decision at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23355179) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:37 PM Author: bistre motley library keepsake machete Hrs billed, weekends/nights worked per year? Sounds like you have a somewhat stable schedule.
Are you going to wind up in house, and if so what kind of in house do you want? |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:55 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret 2,000-2,100/year. I usually have to work for 30 min. to an hour after I get home. I also work a few hours on weekends, but I usually have most of the weekend to myself.
If I go in-house, it will be in my specialized area. |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:27 PM Author: yellow outnumbered sneaky criminal puppy regulatory is so sweet lifestyle wise. If I actually could deal with that area of practice it would have been a great option. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356172) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:46 AM Author: multi-colored range wtf does regulatory even do? Example: what does FDA REGULATORY PRACTICE do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357763) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 8:31 AM Author: Bisexual national Regulators mount up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358049) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:42 PM Author: aquamarine scourge upon the earth area savings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23355068) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 7:56 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret 650k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23355181) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:12 PM Author: hairraiser mood death wish How would you and others react to a potential hire who finished law school in his mid-thirties and had been been working at decidedly non-prestigious jobs like grocery supervisor since college? Assume good grades from a t14 law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356070) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:28 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret probably would not get hired. we hire plenty of older students (30s and 40s), but they usually worked professional jobs after college (Hill staffer, management consultant, engineer, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356181) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:30 PM Author: hairraiser mood death wish What if said applicant was at HYS? Still ding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356201) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:33 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret i guess, but i've never seen that. we get some people who were paralegals for a few years before law school. but i've never seen an application from a T14 law student who was a grocery bagger for a decade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356233) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:34 PM Author: hairraiser mood death wish Not bagger, but more of a manager/supervisor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356242) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:37 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret unlikely to get an offer, but who knows. been on hiring committee for two years and have never seen that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356261) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 8:35 AM Author: floppy theatre If you get good enough grades, no one will care, dude. The age will be more of an issue than the work you performed. But even that will be ok, especially considering you are gay and they know you won't be distracted by wife and kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358051) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:15 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business Somewhat relevant. What if you were out of UG for 2 years and worked random crappy jobs. How poorly does this reflect on me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356590) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:19 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret that's probably ok. we have a decent number of summers who were legal assistants or lsat instructors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356619) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:26 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business What about LSAT instructor and say a server and then retail? Had decent UG experience but just decided to enjoy less responsibility in my two years off. Should I be freaking out? XO consensus was that it doesn't matter and it's just grades. Really worried I'm fukkked more than I even think. Probably gone through 3 or 4 jobs in the two years while tutoring the LSAT semi consistently. Restaurant stuff for like 5 months, retail for like a 8 months total, call center for like 5 months, then idk shit for the rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356682) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:37 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business assuage me bro come on or give me advice for overcoming a literal TTT 2 years of mediocrity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356784) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:38 AM Author: puce histrionic toaster stage bro, i've been there. just say you were working as an LSAT instructor the entire time. the difference between LSAT instructor and mom's basement is pretty minimal as far as they're concerned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357476) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:46 AM Author: cruel-hearted place of business so i should just lie? should i mentioned other stuff? i have been working it's not like i'm sleeping 12 hours, i just didnt know what to do with my life for a year and then decided that when i knew it would be LS that i wanted minimal responsibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357504) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:51 AM Author: multi-colored range dude remember this guy works at, supposedly, an absolute top DC firm - just lie and say you were doing LSAT prep as you prepared for law school and say you helped a family member in need or some shit like that, cmon
the point is, SOME FIRM will be fine with it, even if a pretentious DC one wont, but even then, they probably will |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:57 AM Author: cruel-hearted place of business ty, i feel like it's pretty transparent but i also feel like it cant be that big of a knock if grades are alright and 1L summer isn't wasted in jamaica or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357565) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:02 AM Author: multi-colored range Seriously bro, you're fine. If you're a t14 guy with good grades, for example above median at NYU or something, and you are social and not aspie, and you worked in LSAT teaching (say you started a consulting biz or whatever) while VOLUNTEERING for x and helping a family member in need while you prepped for law school, on top of not going to a TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT UG, you are fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357591) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:13 AM Author: cruel-hearted place of business lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357650) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:14 AM Author: multi-colored range y r u laughing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357651) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:43 AM Author: cruel-hearted place of business Just do start LSAT company to be near dying mother while volunteering at synagogue to help victims of antisemitic arson and don't be weird, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357752) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 2:45 AM Author: multi-colored range LSAT consulting work, 2 yrs volunteer at whatever, 1 yr
note you're near family due to medical whatever
and don't be aspie
how is this odd |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:08 AM Author: hairraiser mood death wish That's pathetic that being a "legal assistant" or working in test prep would look better than helping to manage one of the busiest stores in a major city. Just LOL @ you aspie lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357369) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 8:33 AM Author: Bisexual national Agreed. Lawlyers are douches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358050) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:28 PM Author: yellow outnumbered sneaky criminal puppy We had a guy who started biglaw at like 34...was a paramedic in his former career, which isn't very prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356186) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:56 PM Author: laughsome garrison Sorry but you won't have a chance. The first thought would be what kind of weirdo is smart enough to get through an elite law school but languished for years at a grocery store in his 30s. That would be a huge personality alarm bell and combined with your face to face presence would mean knock out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356957) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:18 PM Author: Dashing violet state stain Given the divine intervention, would you hire Petrus Lateral Us Romanus regardless of a shitstorm that's been swept under the rug?
http://i.imgur.com/JDwRo2r.jpg
The Gospel Of Philip - "One single name is not uttered in the world, the name which the Father gave to the Son; it is the name above all things: the name of the Father. For the Son would not become Father unless he wore the name of the Father. Those who have this name know it, but they do not speak it. But those who do not have it do not know it."
The name the Father gave to the Son is "Petrus Lateral Us Romanus."
http://i.imgur.com/L1XBByq.jpg
Lateralus is inspired by the work of Carl Jung. The Stone in The Grudge is a philosopher's stone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiR1hmpk-x4 |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:36 PM Author: hilarious stag film Most scholars consider the document a 16th-century elaborate hoax.[5] Like any good conspiracy theory, there are many holes in the lore of St. Malachy, according to Father James Weiss, a professor of church history at Boston College. "It is widely thought ... given who the author was and his relationship, [that the prophecies] were published to establish the case for election of one particular cardinal," said Weiss.[6] Dr. Thomas Groome, chair of the Department of Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry at Boston College, has a similar notion, "For myself -- and even as a native Irishman -- the 'Prophecies of St. Malachy' are a grand old fun tale that have about as much reliability as the morning horoscope".[6] Thomas J. Reese, SJ, of Georgetown University, had only this to say: "St. Malachy's prophecy is nonsense."[6] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356257) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: Dashing violet state stain It's still a respectable hoax. The philosopher's stones isn't a hoax, even if Peter The Roman is.
Would you hire someone with six months work experience in a Vault 100 firm who then produced a philosopher's stone? Would you consider a philosopher's stone to be a meritorious continuation of education in Philosophy & Religion? |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:10 PM Author: stirring cruise ship Have you ever hired any true TTT (or low TT) students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356555) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:18 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Not in the two years that I've been on the committee. The vast majority of our hires are from the T14, but we'll reach down to about 50 (if the student is among the very top in the class). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356608) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:21 PM Author: stirring cruise ship would a T100 coif, LR EIC, D. Ct clerkship bro have a shot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356632) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:22 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret i'm only talking about summer associate hiring - i'm not on the lateral committee. we've hired laterals from lower-ranked schools if they have relevant experience. this is particularly true for patent litigators. the normal hiring standards don't apply to them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356647) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:25 PM Author: stirring cruise ship Any noticeable difference in work product between the T50 students and the T14/CCNs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356668) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:28 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Some of the students from top schools are a bit lazier and more entitled. The students who we hire from lower ranked schools are generally ranked in the top 5 students in their entire class, and they work their asses off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356697) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:32 PM Author: stirring cruise ship Most impressive (stats or otherwise) person you've interviewed? Hired? How'd he/she turn out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356735) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:39 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret Guy in his late 20s who had seriously impressive and rare professional accomplishments in non-law job, also had very top grades in law school. We convinced him to summer at the firm. He's clerking now but plans to come back to the firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356819) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:43 PM Author: stirring cruise ship In what percent of interviews do you basically know (based on resume) that you're the one selling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356851) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:45 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret only about 5%. we only have a few competitors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356860) |
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Date: June 8th, 2013 11:54 PM Author: cruel-hearted place of business bro look above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23356937) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:43 AM Author: multi-colored range Are you serious that most DC biglaw burn outs only make like 150? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23357495) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:28 AM Author: Khaki frozen regret Some make more, some make less. The litigators tend to make less, particularly because they usually go to the federal government. You can make in the high-100s if you go to some of the independent agencies that aren't on the GS scale (like SEC). Regulatory/corporate associates can make more by going in-house, depending on their areas of expertise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358020) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:38 AM Author: multi-colored range What do people in an FDA regulatory practice group actually do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358024) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:44 AM Author: Khaki frozen regret Don't know - I've never practiced in that area. I think they help prepare and advise on FDA approval applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358026) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:39 AM Author: multi-colored range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358025) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 8:52 AM Author: talented smoky senate Thoughts on the dc offices of the following firms:
Sidley
Gibson Dunn
Patton Boggs
Skadden
Latham
O'Melveny
Mayer Brown
Vinson and Elkins |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:37 AM Author: Khaki frozen regret You'll work your ass off at any of those firms. Don't listen to the recruiter/partner talk about "work-life balance." All biglaw firms are the same. It really depends on the practice group you end up in and the partners you end up working for.
Of that list, Gibson's DC office is the best in terms of work quality and exit options. |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:21 PM Author: laughsome garrison Working for Mr. Boggs sounds like it would be fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358766) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:16 AM Author: marvelous deer antler May hit the lateral market soon. Describe the experience you'd like to see from a fifth year litigator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358066) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:39 AM Author: Khaki frozen regret I'm not on the lateral hiring committee, so I can only speak to what I have seen. People who have had good government experience (e.g., DOJ Civil Fraud) often have a leg up on a random Skadden doc review supervisor. But the best way to get a lateral position is to have an engineering degree and patent litigation experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358079) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:50 AM Author: marvelous deer antler Yeah that's not me. I've basically become really good at writing briefs (including being the guy on a trial team who cranks out briefs) and working with experts (helping get their reports together and prepping them for depos/trial with not a lot of supervision). Been able to avoid a lot of doc review. Not sure if that makes me useful or if I'm generally interchangeable with everyone else at my level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358101) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:55 AM Author: Khaki frozen regret You probably could lateral, but you'll have to trade down a little (i.e., going from Kirkland to Foley, and not vice versa). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358111) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:56 AM Author: marvelous deer antler Makes sense. ty, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358113) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 1:25 PM Author: Pink base I'm considering making the move into headhunting/recruiting. Is this a career for a non-JD? (Dropped out t50 after 1L.) Maybe, if possible, share some experiences you've heard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23358786) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 3:31 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret I get a lot of calls from headhunters, and I usually speak with them if I'm not too busy. The best ones have practiced law, usually at big firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23359520) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 3:34 PM Author: maize exciting police squad Suppose you get somebody from HYS with a tech background. How aspie do they have to be to not get an offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23359536) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 3:36 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret If it's EE or computer science, the only way they'd be rejected is if they jerked off or vomited during the call-back interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23359542) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 3:39 PM Author: maize exciting police squad how many HYS cs/ee's have you interviewed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23359561) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret very few. most of our ee candidates come from the lower T-14 and GW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23359579) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 5:30 PM Author: citrine soul-stirring space prole Please describe your experiences with and perceptions of prior military and military reserve applicants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23360388) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 9:50 PM Author: Khaki frozen regret not a huge positive or negative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2276488&forum_id=2#23362229) |