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NYU got sued from a former dental student - and lost

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=957826
massive sooty base legend
  06/09/13
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fragrant plum national security agency
  06/09/13
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massive sooty base legend
  06/09/13
what am I missing? Why didn't she just pay the 2000 dollars?
sickened field main people
  06/09/13
http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2012/2012_06834.ht...
massive sooty base legend
  06/09/13
She did, after the school asked her to. Then the school said...
Ultramarine Thirsty Garrison
  06/09/13
"what am I missing?" Reading comprehension skil...
Transparent box office codepig
  06/09/13
so NYU is going to appeal the decision? wtf is wrong with NY...
metal clear juggernaut
  06/09/13
they probs. won't actually appeal, just said that so that th...
Ultramarine Thirsty Garrison
  06/09/13
cause they litereally PWN 25k+ students a year
slippery tattoo
  06/09/13
wow fuck NYU i hope her lawsuit gapes them for millions
Blathering public bath puppy
  06/09/13
That woman is 28? LOL @ white women
elite charcoal knife
  06/09/13
Holy crap, no kidding, I thought she was over 40.
Cerebral Embarrassed To The Bone Crotch Kitchen
  06/12/13
If you read the Student Doctor Network thread it looks like ...
bistre university
  06/09/13
Just read the court case. This girl is a victim of a retard...
Mewling mustard chapel private investor
  06/11/13
Kickertz alleges that the underlying charges themselves were...
Mewling mustard chapel private investor
  06/11/13
The work is not free, it is mostly medicaid stuff though.
Hideous house
  06/11/13
So just to detail the due process offenses against Kickertz:...
Mewling mustard chapel private investor
  06/11/13
Crazy eyes
Hideous house
  06/11/13


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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:55 PM
Author: massive sooty base legend

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=957826

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360146)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 5:08 PM
Author: fragrant plum national security agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360222)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:09 PM
Author: massive sooty base legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360636)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:12 PM
Author: sickened field main people

what am I missing? Why didn't she just pay the 2000 dollars?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360656)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:19 PM
Author: massive sooty base legend

http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2012/2012_06834.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360712)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:33 PM
Author: Ultramarine Thirsty Garrison

She did, after the school asked her to. Then the school said paying it was unethical and revoked her degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23360792)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:44 PM
Author: Transparent box office codepig

"what am I missing?"

Reading comprehension skills, apparently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361301)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:14 PM
Author: metal clear juggernaut

so NYU is going to appeal the decision? wtf is wrong with NYU. why is it going to such lengths to pwn this chick over $2k in work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361091)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:15 PM
Author: Ultramarine Thirsty Garrison

they probs. won't actually appeal, just said that so that they would have a response for the media to put in after saying they lost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361105)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:20 PM
Author: slippery tattoo

cause they litereally PWN 25k+ students a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361147)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:35 PM
Author: Blathering public bath puppy

wow fuck NYU i hope her lawsuit gapes them for millions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361237)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:41 PM
Author: elite charcoal knife

That woman is 28?

LOL @ white women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361285)



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Date: June 12th, 2013 3:11 PM
Author: Cerebral Embarrassed To The Bone Crotch Kitchen

Holy crap, no kidding, I thought she was over 40.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23381266)



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Date: June 9th, 2013 7:51 PM
Author: bistre university

If you read the Student Doctor Network thread it looks like she's full of shit. The school said:

-She falsified patient records (several extractions were magically done in one evening) to make it look like she did work she didn't do

-...work that was required of all students by the school as part of their hands on training. The "$38k" was some arbitrarily assigned values to the required procedures, in an attempt to teach the dental students about business practices/thinking about production in terms of $. The work was all free and provided to needy community members.

who knows what really went down but they're probably both terrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23361341)



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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:24 PM
Author: Mewling mustard chapel private investor

Just read the court case. This girl is a victim of a retarded school witch hunt.

They could have just let her graduate and then made her make up the missing $2,000 in procedures. BUT NO. They would not let her do that and would not give her any more clients, so she had no way to come up with $2,000 in billings. Then her advisor told her she would just have to pay for the difference herself and she did.

Allegedly the advisor was the one that told her to create the records which were for the exact amount that she was missing. Everything was charged to her credit card. If she was trying to truly doctor the patient records, she would not have made one credit card payment for all the procedures. The whole thing is fucking retarded and NYU should have used more common sense. Even if she was guilty of bad judgement blah blah blah expelling her was a completely fucked up thing to do.

The appellate court 100% got it right and pretty much reamed NYU in its opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23376566)



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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:32 PM
Author: Mewling mustard chapel private investor

Kickertz alleges that the underlying charges themselves were bogus. She claims she had been informed by her supervisor that to meet the revenue-generation requirement, she needed to pay out-of-pocket and attribute the payment to clinic work. Backing up this claim is Kickertz's cash and credit payment to NYU in the exact amount of her PMV shortfall.

Furthermore, as the appeals court in her case noted, NYU has to date not produced the actual "falsified" patient charts in any court hearing or during any internal disciplinary hearing. Thus, the factual basis for NYU's misconduct claims against Kickertz is lacking, and had she been able to defend herself she might have been exonerated on the merits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23376629)



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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: Hideous house

The work is not free, it is mostly medicaid stuff though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23376647)



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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:28 PM
Author: Mewling mustard chapel private investor

So just to detail the due process offenses against Kickertz: (1) post hoc notice that she was accused; (2) investigation and conviction in absentia; (3) no right to counsel at her sentencing, and her NYU advisor was not allowed to fully participate; (4) no right to call rebuttal witnesses; (5) application of a student code promulgated in the middle of her final semester; (6) summary pronouncements by the Dean, as well as statements calling into question his influence on allegedly impartial decisions; and (7) a disproportionate punishment, that, as the appellate court noted, "shocks one's sense of fairness."

This is a good article about the case:

http://thefire.org/article/15247.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23376600)



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Date: June 11th, 2013 10:28 PM
Author: Hideous house

Crazy eyes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2277311&forum_id=2#23376604)