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Ranking the Law Schools for California jobs
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:24 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown It goes like this:
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:31 PM Author: bateful jet-lagged lay foreskin Sort of, except the regionals are probably favored more than the lower tier of the T14. Law review from Santa Clara, Hastings, UCLA or USC will probably be looked at more favorably than some bottom-half 166 from Law Center.
NOT Santa Clara flame (or alum). Speaking from what I've seen. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Lol Hastings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033211) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:34 PM Author: bateful jet-lagged lay foreskin Agreed, but there's a decent alumni network. I still don't think that I've met a proud Hastings grad, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033218) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:36 PM Author: plum yarmulke mexican okay get the fuck back to TLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033227) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:37 PM Author: bateful jet-lagged lay foreskin ? About 10 years past TLS, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033232) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:34 PM Author: well-lubricated odious stag film not those first two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033219) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:39 PM Author: bateful jet-lagged lay foreskin SCU does decently well in the Bay Area, at least the non-trads and engineers. Hastings is just way too big for the market. If it disappeared, there'd be no loss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033238) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:57 PM Author: Nudist chapel the first two if you're top 5% you might be better off than bottom half of t14 but otherwise...they are both shit
only 40% of SCU had any legal job at all 9 months after graduation and for hastttings it's only like 45%
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:01 PM Author: white supple selfie and Georgetown only had 55% of their grads in legal jobs... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033349) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:07 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown That can't be right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033381) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:11 PM Author: white supple selfie http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gulc&show=chars
2012 looks better than 2011 was. you need to subtract the number of school-funded jobs from the long-term, full-time legal jobs.
here is a sortable table of all schools:
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:24 PM Author: white supple selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034793) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:07 PM Author: bateful jet-lagged lay foreskin Right, it's not like the bottom tier of T14 is a sure thing anymore.
I guess I've just met a lot of engineers who went to SCU for law school (including part-timers). They get jobs no problem. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:11 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown If CS/EE, really any law school in the top 100 or so is fine. As long as your tech background is solid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033403) |
Date: September 11th, 2013 2:40 PM Author: well-lubricated odious stag film when I visited one of the schools that had given me a full ride , the (associate?) DEAN answered someone who asked, 'well, the lion's share' of legal jobs in the area go to Stanford and Berkeley grads, then UCLA / USC 'rounded out by other schools higher up in the rankings'
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:43 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Yeah, arguably UCLA and USC should place somewhere in between Y and the rest of the T14. I think HY still clearly beat UCLA and USC though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033259) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:45 PM Author: well-lubricated odious stag film yeah I wasn't full of confidence after one of the freaking DEANS said that to a group of prospective students (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033270) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:46 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Oh, you got a full ride from Whittier or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033275) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:48 PM Author: well-lubricated odious stag film better than that but still TT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033286) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:14 PM Author: Insecure Son Of Senegal LOL this is such bullshit. Neither UCLA nor USC places well. To say that UCLA has an edge on CCN or MVP or even the lower T14 schools is just not true. LA is not a regional town. It has tons of lawyers from the T14 and it doesn't favor UCLA/USC at all. Realistically have to be solidly top 20% from those schools to even have a shot at biglaw. What % from CCN have a shot at SoCal biglaw? A lot more than 20% I can guarantee you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033425) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:19 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Anecdotally I have seen little evidence of CCN or MVP placing a significant number people into any CA firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033449) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:21 PM Author: Insecure Son Of Senegal Selection effect... Most of the people who go to those schools don't want CA firms, and UCLA/USC has NO options outside of CA, so of course everyone there is gunning for CA firms. I can guarantee you if you did a class rank % comparison of bros at CA firms from CCN and bros at CA firms from UCLA/USC it would show firms are far more selective when interviewing from UCLA/USC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033457) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 3:51 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Lol, like the 60% of people graduating from GULC with no job or certainly no market-paying job are "selecting" out of going to CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24033639) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 5:13 PM Author: Insecure Son Of Senegal well GULC is a shithole. i can MAYBE get on board w/ it being worse than UCLA/USC for California (but even then I wonder). but definitely not CCN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034093) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 5:16 PM Author: Adventurous Henna Theater Wait, I thought GULC was prestigious
I'm so confused now.
So what does this mean for John Marshall in Chicago?? |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:31 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Ucla/USC place what? 25-30% in decent firms? If an entire class at CCN applied only to Ca, would they place more? Doubtful. The whole idea of CCN being prestigious outside NYC (or Chicago for u of c) is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034835) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:36 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
USC/UCLA place 25-30% in California because they are shitty regional schools and have to max out their sole market as much as possible. The other 70-75% of graduates aren't exploring other options in different markets; they're sitting at home unemployed or working for some shitty public interest group in Modesto.
The proper comparison between USC/UCLA and CCN is not what would happen if the latter tried to totally flood the CA market--it's what would happen if USC/UCLA grads tried to branch out and get jobs outside of CA. And we have an answer to that fascinating hypothetical: they almost always fail. That's as opposed to CCN, which regularly place into markets all across the country. Which is why most CCN graduates end up with decent jobs, and most USC/UCLA graduates do not.
And which is precisely why CCN are considered national schools with a legitimate claim to some prestige, and USC/UCLA are considered shitty regional schools.
I feel dumber for having had to explain this to you. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:12 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown 1. Sorry about your HYS dings.
2. OP asked what schools are best for CA, and you proceeded to waste your time rambling about what happens outside CA. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:18 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
(Legitimate idiot who sincerely doesn't "get" why enrolling at UCLA/USC is not a better way to secure yourself a Biglaw job in California than enrolling in CCN, "because USC places 25% in California every year and Columbia barely places 5%!") |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:42 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown CCN places what? 60% in adequate jobs? Clearly the percentage they could adequately place in CA is far lower. Debatable whether it is slightly higher than 25-30% at USC/UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24035246) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:44 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
LOL.
Brother, let's bottom line this for you because you seem slow:
If you want a biglaw job in Cali coming from USC/UCLA, you basically need to be ~Top 25% of your class. Period.
If you think you need to be ~Top 25% of your class to be competitive in the Cali Biglaw market coming from CCN, you're not just dumb. You're wrong. Don't want to hear it from me? Ask Earl.
And that's all that matters here.
Sincerely HTH. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 10:14 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown This is misleading. Plenty of other factors play into hiring besides grades. The fact that a median student at CLS might get ca biglaw doesn't mean that more than 30% can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24035914) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 10:29 PM Author: Insecure Son Of Senegal seriously bro you are embarrassing yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24036066) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 11:17 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
Intriguing point, then I guess the comparative analysis becomes which is more likely:
- You matriculate to USC/UCLA and end up top 25% at the end of your 1L year;
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- You matriculate to CCN, end up in the ~top half, and <30% of your peers decide they want to practice in California.
You're right, those probabilities seem about even. Tough call. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 11:26 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown This whole idea about top X% is misleading. The 25% getting good firm jobs from UCLA include like 10% people with connections, 5% hot girls, 5% cs/ee people, and maybe the top 5%. Even if more people from CLS can get in on grades, Its not clear the total is > 25%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24036681) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 11:28 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
In all seriousness I'm going to actually do a reversal and declare myself the loser in this exchange becase right up until this post I actually believed you might not be flame. But you're flame, and shitty flame at that. GJ bro, you got me with this. |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 12:17 AM Author: zippy sapphire home clown C'mon man. If you really think some aspie jewish dude with no connections who is top 18% at USC is getting a good job, you know nothing about firm hiring.
What matters is how many people end up with good jobs. For the class of 2011, only about 65% of CLS students and 53% of NYU students found adequate jobs (http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/02/class-of-2011-big-law-employment-stats.html). The UCLA/USC numbers aren't posted here, but I recall Campos saying UCLA was at about 30%.
I'm going to assume the 35%/47% of CLS/NYU students failing to get any good job also couldn't a good job in CA. So, the question is how many of the 65%/53% that did find good jobs could have found good jobs if limited to CA. My guess is those percentages would be close to, and perhaps less than, UCLA's number. |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 10:42 AM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
My good sir I do believe that you have just proven that USC/UCLA place just as well in California as CCN! Bravo, I say, bravo!
(Utter retard) |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 1:24 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown (Guy who believes thousands of CLS/NYU grads are selecting No Job rather than sending their resumes to CA) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24038955) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 2:52 PM Author: judgmental honey-headed karate sanctuary it really depends on the firm. For national biglaw firms, the top 10 law schools will place better than UCLA or USC. Meaning easier to get a job with lower grades.
In LA you see most lawyers at firms from UCLA or USC because those are the decent big schools and firms dont have to travel to recruit. My firm would like a Harvard grad, but its not flying to Harvard OCI for a small midlaw summer class. So we end up getting everyone from stanford, berkeley UCLA or USC. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:39 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
/thread.
Anyone who would even think about turning down a T6 school for UCLA/USC "because I really want to practice in California" is a fucking retard unless they're getting a full scholarship to do so. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:16 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Uh, Earl said Harvard. He didn't say overpriced NYC factories like NYU/CLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24035105) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:18 PM Author: Floppy Whorehouse To be fair,
Actually, he said "for national biglaw firms, the top 10 law schools will place better than UCLA or USC." I believe "national biglaw firms" includes all the places any well credentialed person would want to work in California, and "the top 10 law schools" includes NYU/CLS.
But then you've have already proven yourself to be an idiot who can't read very well above. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:25 PM Author: judgmental honey-headed karate sanctuary Most biglaw firms that people in the V-10 are interviewing with have OCI at all the good schools.
My firm would be happy with someone from NYU/CLS (they hired me) but you need to fly out here on your own dime, which no law student would do since they have NYC and other biglaw firms paying for them. |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 5:07 PM Author: Adventurous Henna Theater What about Taft Law School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034073) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:22 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Taft places well actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034784) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:25 PM Author: Adventurous Henna Theater Seriously?
How could it? It's an ABA unapproved school |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 5:18 PM Author: Adventurous Henna Theater Cooley v. ABA-Unapproved TTTTTs
Who places better in CA? |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 7:47 PM Author: smoky casino people's college of law does a good job placing people into the la mayor's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24034931) |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:33 PM Author: Pearly Glittery Piazza Double Fault LOL what is NYU doing in this conversation, it's not a national school and has incredibly shitty placement outside MFH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24035200) |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 8:43 AM Author: zippy sapphire home clown Placed only 53% in 2011: http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/02/class-of-2011-big-law-employment-stats.html
I wonder how many of those could've found something in CA? 20%? |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: Mauve Territorial Senate Now imagine this thread is posted on TLS.
*0L scrolls through detailed 25 school ranking based on loose understanding of reported employment statistics by a person who has never worked at a law firm in any capacity*
*decides that UC Davis is their best shot for biglaw*
*dreams the night away* |
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Date: September 11th, 2013 11:02 PM Author: zippy sapphire home clown What you talking bout bro? Nobody even appears to have disputed my initial post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24036485) |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 8:47 AM Author: Slippery curious becky Loyola places very well actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24037925) |
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Date: September 12th, 2013 10:55 AM Author: Mildly autistic hospital blood rage Notre Dame Law is really strong in CA. Dayne Crist and Jimmy Calussen really helped open up the CA market for Notre Dame due to their success at the college and professional levels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2360052&forum_id=2#24038307) |