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Lab rats pick stocks, beat hedge funds

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hed...
copper chapel round eye
  09/23/14
What's the rat fund fee structure?
brilliant alcoholic station
  09/23/14
180
judgmental cuck
  09/23/14
180
excitant box office boltzmann
  09/23/14
A billion
Hairraiser twisted stage lettuce
  09/23/14
Cartoon world
Indigo hall
  09/23/14
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bossy dashing partner
  09/23/14
How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats dir...
Fragrant geriatric corner
  09/23/14
lol @ the jew casino.
Pearly brethren abode
  09/23/14
did you just coin this phrase?
umber curious nursing home pisswyrm
  09/23/14
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Provocative point
  09/23/14
biglaw mice getting styled on hard
excitant box office boltzmann
  09/23/14
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Self-absorbed Locus
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Boyish amethyst circlehead tattoo
  09/23/14
mice: "but we did everything right!"
Big-titted Zippy Cuckold
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lemon market cumskin
  09/23/14
Shit man I need to cop some rats
beady-eyed range
  09/23/14
(jew banker recruiting at HYP
Self-absorbed Locus
  09/23/14
the genetic twist just puts it over the top.
judgmental cuck
  09/23/14
I would love to write the PPM for that fund. Risk Disclo...
Primrose shitlib
  09/23/14
haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing...
dark dysfunction spot
  09/23/14
this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training ...
cracking startling dilemma
  09/23/14
omg i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody...
Self-absorbed Locus
  09/23/14
not fucklaw. there is a large literature about various ne...
cracking startling dilemma
  09/23/14
the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlo...
judgmental cuck
  09/23/14
many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian
excitant box office boltzmann
  09/23/14
what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?
cracking startling dilemma
  09/23/14
the pumo bro is right though
maize space son of senegal
  09/23/14
wtf
judgmental cuck
  09/23/14
but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. th...
turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse
  09/23/14
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-s...
cracking startling dilemma
  09/23/14
what about those studies (like the one that compares univers...
turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse
  09/23/14
“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund manag...
turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse
  09/23/14
It's antisemitic bro
Boyish amethyst circlehead tattoo
  09/23/14
Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?
bossy dashing partner
  09/23/14
http://www.rattraders.com/ 180 site "We are conti...
comical degenerate public bath
  09/23/14
180
copper chapel round eye
  09/23/14
The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't re...
useless field
  09/23/14
Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?
Wonderful Codepig Coldplay Fan
  09/23/14
wow, very zeke morrisian
Exciting Set Idea He Suggested
  09/23/14
omg yes
Vivacious balding cruise ship
  09/23/14
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copper chapel round eye
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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:48 AM
Author: copper chapel round eye

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/09/hedge-fund-rats.html

One project is Michael Marcovici’s Rat Trader. The book describes the training of laboratory rats to trade in foreign exchange and commodity futures markets. Marcovici says the rats “outperformed some of the world’s leading human fund managers.” The rats were trained to press a red or green button to give buy or sell signals, after listening to ticker tape movements represented as sounds. If they called the market right they were fed, if they called it wrong they got a small electric shock. Male and female rats performed equally well. The second generation of rattraders, cross-bred from the best performers in the first generation, appeared to have even better performance, although this is a preliminary result, according to the text. Marcovici’s plan, he writes, is to breed enough of them to set up a hedge fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380387)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 PM
Author: brilliant alcoholic station

What's the rat fund fee structure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383972)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:49 AM
Author: judgmental cuck

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380390)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:55 AM
Author: excitant box office boltzmann

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380394)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 7:56 AM
Author: Hairraiser twisted stage lettuce

A billion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380395)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: Indigo hall

Cartoon world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380402)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:18 PM
Author: bossy dashing partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384025)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:43 PM
Author: Fragrant geriatric corner

How is this cartoon world? Everyone knows random beats directed picks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384495)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:03 AM
Author: Pearly brethren abode

lol @ the jew casino.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380405)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:12 AM
Author: umber curious nursing home pisswyrm

did you just coin this phrase?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380968)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 PM
Author: Provocative point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384066)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:10 AM
Author: excitant box office boltzmann

biglaw mice getting styled on hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380408)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:17 AM
Author: Self-absorbed Locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380418)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:50 AM
Author: Boyish amethyst circlehead tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380462)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: Big-titted Zippy Cuckold

mice: "but we did everything right!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380465)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:16 AM
Author: lemon market cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380417)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:19 AM
Author: beady-eyed range

Shit man I need to cop some rats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380422)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:22 AM
Author: Self-absorbed Locus

(jew banker recruiting at HYP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380424)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:24 AM
Author: judgmental cuck

the genetic twist just puts it over the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380426)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:27 AM
Author: Primrose shitlib

I would love to write the PPM for that fund.

Risk Disclosure

The trading system is dependent on rodents and their ability to hear and react to ticks. It is possible that a rodent may misinterprete the tick. There is also a possibility that the rodents will eat each other as a result of continously guessing wrong. Further, there is a risk that PETA will try to rescue the rodents or unionize them. This may result in substantial loss of profit s or actual loss to the fund.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380432)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:15 AM
Author: dark dysfunction spot

haha, a buddy and I were discussing this and the first thing we went to was PETA and unionization risks. Risk of accidental release of rat poison was also discussed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380979)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:32 AM
Author: cracking startling dilemma

this actually seems reasonable. they are basically training a complex neural network on market data, which we know can represent highly complex, non-linear functions. there is also evidence that "dumber" animals are better able to reason under uncertainty (suggesting that certain cognitive abilities have been lost in our evolution), so it wouldn't surprise me if a relatively small-brained animal was better than us at time series prediction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380441)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:33 AM
Author: Self-absorbed Locus

omg

i dont even know if this is fucklaw or fucklaw parody

amazing either way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380442)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:36 AM
Author: cracking startling dilemma

not fucklaw.

there is a large literature about various neural network architectures being used for market prediction on price data. what is so surprising about a biological version being used for the same purpose?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380447)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:38 AM
Author: judgmental cuck

the only reason it's not a random pick is because it's Pavlovian. your poli sci shithead theories about neural nets and all that stuff are not even applicable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380450)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:41 AM
Author: excitant box office boltzmann

many machine learning algorithms will look pavlovian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380452)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: cracking startling dilemma

what does the fact it's Pavlovian have to do with anything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380460)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:11 PM
Author: maize space son of senegal

the pumo bro is right though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383977)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:35 AM
Author: judgmental cuck

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380446)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:48 AM
Author: turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse

but rats can't get you the sweet insider deals, e.g. hft. the rich still do way better in hedge funds than the average joe in vanguard, schwab, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380461)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:52 AM
Author: cracking startling dilemma

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-06/hedge-funds-trail-stocks-by-the-widest-margin-since-2005.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380464)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:01 AM
Author: turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse

what about those studies (like the one that compares university endowments) that show the roi on large portfolios is much better than that on small ones?

do you think these wily hedge funds could be hiding earnings to lower taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380474)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:07 AM
Author: turquoise anal rigpig whorehouse

“outperformed *some* of the world’s leading human fund managers."

it can't be that obvious, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380479)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:08 AM
Author: Boyish amethyst circlehead tattoo

It's antisemitic bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380481)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:21 PM
Author: bossy dashing partner

Wait are you implying that Jews are rats?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384039)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 9:12 AM
Author: comical degenerate public bath

http://www.rattraders.com/

180 site

"We are continuously crossing the best trading rats with each other in order to breed specialists in various markets for our clients. The second generation of top traders ususally shows a much better performance compared to their parents."

"The decision was correct, Lehman gets a bonus after shorting the USD."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380485)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:18 AM
Author: copper chapel round eye

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380737)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:48 AM
Author: useless field

The idea that it's all random is appealing but this isn't really convincing. Of course "some" managers will underperform random during certain periods of time, especially short-term.

There's also a self-reinforcing effect to stock pickers -- the fact that so many people are analyzing and picking stocks makes it hard to outperform the market precisely because the effect of all those pickers is efficiency. If you had a market without much analysis/stock-picking, skilled stock pickers would be more effective.

Hedge Funds are largely flame, but that's as much because of their fee structure as their skill, i.e. any alpha they have is going to be cancelled out or more by their expense.

One other point -- this just says "human fund managers" -- that could also be mutual funds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380872)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 11:27 AM
Author: Wonderful Codepig Coldplay Fan

Wasn't George Costanzas fake charity The Human Fund?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26381031)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 10:50 AM
Author: Exciting Set Idea He Suggested

wow, very zeke morrisian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26380881)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM
Author: Vivacious balding cruise ship

omg yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26384061)



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Date: September 23rd, 2014 8:08 PM
Author: copper chapel round eye



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2681998&forum_id=2#26383960)