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Date: December 5th, 2014 8:46 PM Author: copper athletic conference did Adnan do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867591) |
Date: December 5th, 2014 8:47 PM Author: Disturbing Out-of-control Site Knife haven't heard last week's episode, but probably. But definitely reasonable doubt if I were the jury based on what we've heard so far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867599) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 8:50 PM Author: copper athletic conference you should listen to this week's epi...apparently Jay was GIVEN an attorney by the prosecutor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867626) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:03 PM Author: Disturbing Out-of-control Site Knife I'll listen, but it already seems like Jay's story can't be completely true anyway. It just doesn't mean
I think the problem is, Jay is pretty dumb, Adnan is pretty smart, and Adnan maniuplated him into helping and probably doing some pretty bad shit that he still hasn't admitted to.
Ultimately, when a high school girl dies, boyfriend or ex-boyfriend did it until proven otherwise, and in this case, the ex-boyfriend had written notes about wanting to kill her. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:07 PM Author: copper athletic conference man i don't want adnan to be guilty but you're probably right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868134) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:45 PM Author: Disturbing Out-of-control Site Knife yeah, adnan seems pretty chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868684) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:12 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe scholarship on this itt -- http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2747906&mc=22&forum_id=2
regardless, jay had every incentive to lie anyway and the fact that he was given an attorney doesnt make adnan more or less guilty.
ep 10 and the whole atty thing doesnt change my belief in any way that: 1) adnan more likely than not did it, and 2) adnan's jury didnt have ev beyond a reasonable doubt on which to convict. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 8:54 PM Author: vigorous market dragon too shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867650) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:42 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot I thought this at first but while the woman clearly hangs out with that crowd too much, she herself is very fair.
For instance, with the peeing in the woods thing she kept yelling WHY WOULD HE GO 30 YARDS INTO THE WOODS like a dumb lib would rant - and I was like damn libs are stupid.
But then she went that far into the woods and was like "oh it's not that far at all." |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:48 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe she's fair. but still a shitlib. the worst part about her isnt her shitlibbery but her attempts to sound cool and young and hip. like reminding us that she was so cool and got high in high school, or saying that "X is a thing." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868029) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:06 PM Author: copper athletic conference yeah this. she obvi tries too hard but she's a pretty good narrator, nonetheless, and her voice is good for podcasts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868128) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:08 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe i do feel like the muslim this week is in response to the lib carnival trashing her for being too white-privileged and biased in her reporting. typical shitlibbery to be so offended and have to show us that she's a good liberal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868137) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:52 AM Author: Galvanic dark striped hyena piazza but she got trashed even harder over her last episode. Shitlibs were screeching like banshees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870740) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:43 AM Author: Galvanic dark striped hyena piazza yep. It's painful to listen to her say stuff like "look if they just wanted to chill and smoke a blunt why didn't they..." Isn't this bitch like 50 years old? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870698) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:00 PM Author: low-t flushed corner Either Adnan or Jay killed Hae, or they both did it together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867686) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:13 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe why would jay kill that bitch entirely independent of adnan? adnan hasn't even offered a motive for jay acting alone, nor has anyone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867778) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:19 PM Author: trip becky home adnan doesnt really have a motive either, unless he's a sociopathic idiot. That may be true, but also inconsistent with just about everything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867820) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:21 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe it's possible he's a sociopath who killed an ex.
how is that inconsistent with everything else? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:24 PM Author: trip becky home nobody else in his life noticed him being off in any way. no other incidents in his past (and I don't count that bullshit about showing up at "girls night" with cake as an incident). Smart and careful enough so that nobody saw him strangle her in a parking lot in the middle of the day but dumb enough to involve a third party. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:29 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe he's been incarcerated since he's 17. not like there was a whole life of shit, plus him being a repressed muslim. it's *possible.*
yeah, your 2nd para is what i've been saying for weeks. i dont see what the fuck jay gets out of helping in the first place. was he paid off? there's no discussion of jay's incentive to be an accomplice to adnan's murder. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:36 PM Author: trip becky home even at 17, I would think that *somebody* would have noticed *something* in high school. All we've got is that he lied to his parents about sex and smoking weed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26867957) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:38 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe perhaps.
so who the fuck did it then? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:54 PM Author: trip becky home Jay was clearly involved in some way. But as you pointed out, his doing this solo doesnt make sense either. So no idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868074) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:00 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe this. i wish she's spend more time on this "whodunit" aspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868106) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:44 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot He seems like a sociopath to me.
I think much is made about how soft spoken, rational and articulate he is about the crime.
But we never really hear any empathy or anger from him. In fact the only time he really is angry is when he's called a nice guy.
If my ex-gf was murdered and I was wrongfully accused I would be crying and screaming every day. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:47 PM Author: trip becky home you wouldnt have tired of crying and screaming after 15 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868028) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:49 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe yeah, dont most wrongly convicted criminals who are eventually freed for actual innocence kinda just accept their fate? seems like that's the case from what ive read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868041) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 9:50 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot I don't think so. If I talked to someone for hours and hours, it would come up.
Like he's not really mad he was framed. Or mad that she was killed. Or mad that the real killer is still out there.
He's just mad when people don't believe his version. It's like he's mad because he isn't controlling everyone. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:12 PM Author: copper athletic conference ^^^this is what I've thought about as well, but wouldn't a true sociopath behave as he's expected (screaming, crying, feigning empathy)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868151) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:07 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868438) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 10:45 PM Author: Passionate toilet seat puppy feel strongly that Adnan's shrew cat lady attorney screeching and shouting through the trial cost him his freedom. case was so thin, but DAMN her voice was fucking annoying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868322) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:00 PM Author: copper athletic conference i can't stand her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868398) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:02 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868417) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:07 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868440) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 4:05 AM Author: Wonderful pistol locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870028) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:26 AM Author: Brilliant big idiot ape TCR. You can tell she is thinking about what she is going to say as she's talking and buying herself time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870649) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:46 AM Author: Galvanic dark striped hyena piazza case wasn't thin at all honestly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870713) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:21 PM Author: orchid beady-eyed psychic yarmulke maybe she should've presented, I don't know, an alibi, instead of focusing her entire closing argument on jay and some yellow fever douche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26874495) |
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Date: December 24th, 2014 3:26 PM Author: avocado public bath mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26992368) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:04 PM Author: Glittery church how did Jay come to be questioned by the police? did he go out of his way to turn in Adnan, or else how did the cops connect him to Hae's murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868422) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:06 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe this was mentioned. cops came to him somehow. he def didnt voluntarily rat adnan out. i forgot the details. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868434) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:10 PM Author: Glittery church I just listened to 6 eps on a drive to t-giving this past weekend and can't recall either. seems like it could factor into Jay's case, no? Once he's a suspect so much more incentive to turn it on Adnan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868461) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:12 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe no way jay acted alone. who else would he have done the murder with, assuming he's framing adnan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868471) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:19 PM Author: Glittery church don't think he did it alone (if he did it), also don't see any motive for Jay esp. since the murder was committed within 21 min (ie no sexual depravity).
really just want to nail down how Jay became involved with the cops, tho |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:22 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe my memory is foggy. maybe others can help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868531) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:58 PM Author: Rough-skinned pit it's not remarkable that you didn't remember because, although important, Koenig never hammers this home. the police hear about Adnan from an anonymous caller, probably a member of the Muslim community. they subpoena his cell phone records and find Jen pusateri's name a billion times. they interview jen, who has been told supposedly about the trip from jay, and jen lies. but then jen supposedly gets scared, lawyers, and returns at which point she tells on jay like jay told her to. Jay is introduced through pusiteri (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868773) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:00 AM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe ty
" the police hear about Adnan from an anonymous caller, probably a member of the Muslim community. "
retarded pigs needed an anoymous caller to investigate an ex bf as a suspect? wouldnt they automatically go after any ex in the last year or two, and anyone at the school could have revealed adnan as her ex |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:13 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine i mean if your adnan and your gonna kill her...are you going to do it after school on a wednesday when you know she will be missed immediately (picking up her cousin) ...when your obvious alibi (track practice) is jeopardized...in broad daylight in january in a fucking bestbuy parking lot when there's 16 hrs of darkness...be without any plan whatsoever to dispose of the body and just randomly call this sketchy fucker jay? c'mon man |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:14 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot See below... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868481) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:21 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe most murderers aren't that smart, and adnan isn't a genius even though he's smart. and it's difficult to execute the perfect murderer. every murder is gonna have flaws. this murder still resulted in lots of reasonable doubt and got him a reasonable shot at getting an acquittal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868528) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:25 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine i don't think adnan is *that* dumb though bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868554) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:14 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot I think the message of the show is going to be backwards of what it should be. I think they're going to say "Look at how ambiguous cases like this are, and should we really be convicting people when there is this much doubt?"
But the lesson should actually be about how easy it is to create doubt even when guilt is obvious. I find myself believing Adnan a lot - and Jays story seems like a lie. But it's obviously pretty much true.
We know that (a) Jay gave clear testimony Adnan was the killer, (b) Jay knew about the crime since he located the car, and (c) Adnan was with Jay that day and lied about it due to the phone call.
Now you can bicker back and forth about all the other facts and which way they go, whether or not Jay is telling the truth about certain things, the likelihood of the timeline, etc - but if you accept (a) (b) and (c) as facts, and it seems clear everyone does, what is the next most likely alternative? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:17 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine Adnan: "Yo Jay! Today is the day! Here's my car and phone - grab Steph a birthday present and then later we'll do all that murder stuff."
Jay: "Aww man I dunno. Today? I have plans to call Jenn 6 times and hang with her for an unverifiable amount of time"
Adnan: "C'mon dawg I really only need you to dig half a hole"
Jay: "Can't it wait until it's dark out at least?"
Adnan: "Nope. It has to be broad daylight bro. In a public place. Where there might or might not be a payphone."
Jay: "Well what if I say no?"
Adnan: "Imma tell the cops you sell weed. If you want, after I do it we can drive all around Baltimore and try to score some weed because you can't sell it if you don't have it...Amiright?"
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:20 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot But can't you see that you're creating a straw man argument?
Do the same thing you just did, but instead of making it sound ridiculous, make it sound plausible while incorporating (a) (b) and (c). Can you do it? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:22 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine what if i'm of the opinion that jay is full of shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868530) |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:24 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot you still have to deal with the fact that (b) Jay obviously had special information about the murder, and (c) Adnan was hanging out with Jay the day of the murder.
So perhaps he was full of shit. But what is your plausible scenario dealing with (b) and (c) and how does it relate in terms of plausibility to Jay being an idiot and a liar who is mostly telling the truth that Adnan killed her? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:36 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine b) yep no question, c) jay was the go to pot source for a stoner |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:39 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot okay so then we are down to (c).
So if (c) was as you say, then why did Adnan lie and say he WASN'T with him when the phone call clearly shows he was.
And also, why would Jay go out of his way to frame Adnan and think he could get away with it if Adnan wasn't involved and Jay was involved? That'd be master criminal planning to pull off.
Do you see how your path is leading us to a much less believable version of events, even if Jay's version seems unbelievable? |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:43 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine i don't know which call your talking about. adnan said he was with him that evening. they regularly smoked together why would he pin it on adnan? he's protecting someone |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:46 PM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot Sorry I mean it's clear Adnan was with Jay that day as Jay claimed and he had his cell phone since they called Nisha - and then that cell phone made a call from Leekin park - where the body was buried.
Jay could be lying, but it seems more clear that Adnan is lying. |
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Date: December 5th, 2014 11:59 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine what about the girl who said she was with adnan in the library after school? what of the fact that in order for this to have been done by adnan in the manner laid out by the state he would have to had super powers because it was more or less an impossible timeline plus the use of the call logs has been described as selective and self serving by the police |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:04 AM Author: Rough-skinned pit that girls alibi is horseshit. read the notes she gives Adnan on the serial site. they're totally hinting that she'll cook testimony, not that she actually saw him
chick never saw him. she wanted the d and was offering to trade her testimony for some attention |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:08 AM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine well that's another thing. i just don't see motive. adnan was chill and popular, and didn't need his ex, whom he was on friendly terms with, for female compassion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868846) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:11 AM Author: Rough-skinned pit I agree and am of the opinion that Adnan didn't do it and that asias alibi was an offer of false testimony (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868879) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:24 PM Author: orchid beady-eyed psychic yarmulke he was furious about her dumping him and literally told people he would kill her. dat Muslim rage. also in his world it's not a crime to kill an undignified woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26874520) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:14 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine (86 iq juror uncritically consuming hook line and sinker some half baked, laughably far fetched and simplistic lame ass theory of the pros) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924517) |
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Date: December 14th, 2014 8:08 PM Author: orchid beady-eyed psychic yarmulke I like you as a poster but you're angry posts in these threads add nothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26930518) |
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Date: December 14th, 2014 8:14 PM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine you're right kenny, you make a very compelling point. he had to have done it. radical tribal mooslims in pakistan get angry at women and have a code, after all! and we all know that's the world adnan lived in since he was a casual law flouting american teen. how about don't be retarded? |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:07 AM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot You're proving my point. Yeah it's weird this girl said she saw him, then said she didn't , then said she did.
But that evidence is easily dismissible. She seemed to randomly remember six weeks ago seeing him in the library? Maybe she did, maybe she got the days confused, maybe she wanted to be helpful.
But the three indisputable facts in my opinion are that jay had special knowledge of the murder, jay claims adman did it. Jay and adnan are together the night of the murder, and adnan has his phone which makes a call near leeken park.
Whatever narrative you think took place, you have to account for those facts - and it's hard to clear Adnan completely doing so |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:10 AM Author: Rough-skinned pit i do not think that Adnan had his phone which made a call near leakin park. at the very least it is not an indisputable fact. I agree with your other facts tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868858) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:02 AM Author: Rough-skinned pit But the Nisha call could have been something else. Remember, the only convoy nisha remembers regarding jay and Adnan occurred later because jay and Adnan told her they were at the porn store - where jay didn't work until weeks later
I didn't believe it at first either but I think it's plausible that jay tried to use the phone and accidentally autodialed one of only 4 stored numbers in it
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Date: December 6th, 2014 8:24 AM Author: contagious chestnut dysfunction You don't accidentally call someone for 2 minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870495) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 11:10 PM Author: Hairraiser Gaming Laptop Dilemma (has never heard of butt dials) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26913246) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:14 AM Author: Rough-skinned pit my wife brought this up and it is haunting me: forget about motive and assume that jay did it alone or with adnan. i dont think any fact betrays this story, and its not inconsistent with any part of adnans story. it also more closely explains the cell phone records (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868915) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:18 AM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe that's an interesting way of putting it. i've said it on here for weeks, in a different way but which is really the same thing, that there are no hard facts showing actual innocence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26868953) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:22 AM Author: Fragrant Domesticated Plaza Dopamine the state's timeline is pie in the sky bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869013) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:24 AM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe ofs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869038) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 1:43 AM Author: Vengeful Primrose Lodge Coffee Pot This is the point I'm trying to make above. There are several hard facts that support his guilt. There are bunch of wishy washy ones that can go either way.
The *best* I can do to get Adnan off the hoook (and no Adnan defender itt has given anything more plausible), is to say that Jay acted alone, then when the cops came coming he realized Adnan was the best person to pin it on.
But that is giving a shitton of credit to Jay when it seems almost no credit is due. Did he plan on driving Adnan off to Leekin Park and using his cell phone? Did he steal Adnan's cell phone and then do it? Did it happen by accident? More importantly, at what point when he was in police custody for a murder he committed did he realize it was a good plan to admit to burying the body, showing them the car, and crossing his fingers he left absolutely nothing to tie him to the crime? |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 1:55 AM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe good poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869557) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 2:19 AM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office Exactly. Jay would have to be a mastermind here. And you'll notice that Adnan does not even try and throw Jay under the bus. It would be very strange if your best stoner bud did the crime, framed you, and then later in interviews you're not like "dat mofo is the murderer and he framed me! I was framed!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869669) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 2:25 AM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe "it is what it is, man" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869701) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 2:26 AM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office (The Stoner Fugitive) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26869708) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:17 AM Author: Brilliant big idiot ape I agree it's way weird that he is not pissed as hell and talking shit about Jay. I would be like, "that motherfucker lied and I'm doing life in jail because of it!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870802) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:49 AM Author: Disturbing Out-of-control Site Knife devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870728) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 9:54 AM Author: Galvanic dark striped hyena piazza if you guys really want to lol at insufferable, intolerable shitlibs I beg you to listen to the slate serial discussion podcast. It's so fucking awful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870742) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:22 AM Author: histrionic ungodly fanboi business firm DESCRIBE what's so bad about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870812) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:31 AM Author: Galvanic dark striped hyena piazza imagine 3 shitlib hipster retards trying to outdouche each other with clever remarks, then throw in "ambiguity" "narrative" "problematic" "nuance" and every other retarded buzzword you can imagine. It's like deadspin only about a crime podcast. They also delve deeply into the show's white privilege. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870830) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 11:06 AM Author: Glittery church what's wrong with deadspin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26870943) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:33 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe deadspin is 120 shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26871387) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:25 PM Author: Glittery church ? it's a sport site. u might be obsessed with libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26875007) |
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Date: December 9th, 2014 7:17 AM Author: cerebral citrine rehab Lol you don't think a sports website can have an ideological bent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26892445) |
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Date: December 31st, 2014 11:06 PM Author: Greedy Jew lol you are definitely new here bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#27033367) |
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Date: December 31st, 2014 11:05 PM Author: Greedy Jew lulz tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#27033364) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:17 AM Author: Lavender set 1- Jay knowing where the car was devastates the defense. It takes it from the potential that it could have been anyone in the world, to being Jay, Adnan or both. I think that is the single worst fact for Adnan to overcome.
2- Christina Gutierrez was the most awful, insecure, woman trial lawyer. Feels the need to be angry all of the time and yell and be just completely grating. The whole series of events that caused the mistrial in the first trial was completely on her. She gets destroyed in the Jay cross as she yells and screams while he calmly yes ma'am, no ma'ams her.
3- They comically overplay that letter from the girl claiming she saw him in the library. That just seems like complete bull shit from someone who was put up to doing something to help. Adnan doesn't recall it and that chick's letter sounds just exactly like someone trying to throw you a lifeboat. "Don't you remember when I saw you at x time and we talked about y?" |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 12:34 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe all correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26871395) |
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Date: December 6th, 2014 10:17 PM Author: copper athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26874931) |
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Date: December 7th, 2014 4:30 AM Author: orchid beady-eyed psychic yarmulke now theyre saying adnan wouldve been acquitted in trial 1 if not for her "lie" that triggered a mistrial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26877319) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 4:29 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office latest episode suggests guilt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26910312) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:31 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe wtf are u talking about? latest ep says nothing probative of guilt or innocence.
this is the 5th consec ep that has blown balls and had no new facts/evidence |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:32 PM Author: Marvelous adulterous sneaky criminal Adnan begged his lolyer for DAT PLEA DEAL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912296) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:35 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe huh that wasn't mentioned in the latest ep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912315) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:40 PM Author: Marvelous adulterous sneaky criminal Oh I'm still on last week's episode, about his lawyer. It was mentioned in that one that Adnan asked her to get him a plea offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912362) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:42 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe innocent people seek plea deals, tbf.
also, he'd have admitted guilt at his sentencing perhaps if he did it.
i dont think this is probative. |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:43 PM Author: Rough-skinned pit not a shitlib but do you seriously think a request for a plea deal signals guilt? are you from, like, back in time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912387) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 9:44 PM Author: trip becky home there are few things more terrifying to me than entrusting my fate to a jury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912396) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 10:39 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office he came off as crazy/guilty to me in the ep released today, writing convoluted letters and getting all weird about his past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912926) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 10:41 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe stupid kike bitch is just playing selective sound bytes to create a story. who the fuck knows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26912941) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 11:01 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office her schtick is horribly obnoxious - the belief in the inherent goodness of this kid based on her interaction with him. JFC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26913161) |
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Date: December 11th, 2014 11:11 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26913259) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 8:45 PM Author: trip becky home the only way you believe this is if you already thought he was guilty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26919457) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 10:04 PM Author: Razzle french chef I think his involvement with Jay & Jay's knowledge are extremely suspicious. Do you disagree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26919939) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 10:12 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe not sure what you're talking about. jay was involved in the murder, no question. the only question is whether adnan did it with jay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920001) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 10:51 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office I mean Adnan clearly was associated with Jay, Jay had his phone on the day of the murder. Do you think that is purely coincidental? I agree that it is circumstantial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920222) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 10:53 PM Author: trip becky home I think the phone makes it more likely that adnan was involved.
His letter and confusion make it neither more nor less likely. |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 11:01 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe and stealing from a fucking mosque, or anything else in the last ep, makes it neither more or less likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920286) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 10:56 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe adnan was associated w jay, ofs. it's not clear to be beyond a reasonable doubt that adnan killed her with jay. i think it's more likely than not, and the phone records are the most damning evidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920245) |
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Date: December 12th, 2014 7:03 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office
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Date: December 13th, 2014 12:23 AM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920828) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 12:24 AM Author: copper athletic conference i considered this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26920838) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 12:29 AM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office The changing story heavily indicates the involvement of a lawyer - not the trial lawyer (the prosecution got him a different lawyer at that point), but its likely he spoke with an attorney off record.
Its interesting, because typically lawyers advise the person to be totally silent (see the Spiers case), but I think Jay had already spilled the beans, so they had to do damage control.
Because he admitted to the crime, the attorney probably never wanted to go on record. |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 6:51 PM Author: sapphire provocative stock car national security agency I wonder what the motive is for Adnan to kill Hae is?
I think he's so afraid of disappointing his parents and feels guilty about the money that they have spent that he will never admit what he did. I feel terrible for what his family has gone through knowing what assholes pakis can be. |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 6:54 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe um, duh the motive is she's an ex who dumped him. you can dispute whether he was over her and gave a fuck, etc. but the motive is on the table. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924396) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 6:57 PM Author: sapphire provocative stock car national security agency Dude is already moving on and doing other bitches? I never got guys who obsess over exes to the point where it eats at the their life? Move on to the next pussy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924415) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 6:58 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe so you know that lots of guys dont get over exes easily. there's your motive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924427) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:02 PM Author: sapphire provocative stock car national security agency I don't know these guys. Generally my friends and I, before we settled down, hopped from bitch to bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924446) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 6:57 PM Author: Poppy theater stage Where are you lifting these days (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924421) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:02 PM Author: sapphire provocative stock car national security agency Fit Club, you?
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:22 PM Author: ocher field JFC. Listened to this week's episode. They are literally ruining the guy's life as Lib porn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924560) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:23 PM Author: Aqua Resort Sweet Tailpipe it's lib porn, but how can you ruin the life of a guy who has life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924568) |
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Date: December 13th, 2014 7:29 PM Author: sapphire provocative stock car national security agency Will they discuss his prison marriage? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26924600) |
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Date: December 14th, 2014 8:05 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office consider the more lulzy situation that his surrounding peers & family have placed so much value on him being innocent, but in reality he is guilty and is leading this Koenig around on a goose chase. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26930490) |
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Date: December 14th, 2014 8:02 PM Author: Chartreuse Soul-stirring Karate Principal's Office its interesting that he says "no one can show any evidence that I did it" but does not add the disclaimer - "BECAUSE IT DIDN"T HAPPEN" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2748171&forum_id=2#26930475) |