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New hire repeatedly missing deadlines

Guy keeps saying "I will have this done by this day&quo...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
either shit can or ask for head
chartreuse cocky electric furnace
  04/01/15
He won't last six months. This is the first time I've had s...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
sounds like he is cruising with an easy paycheck
chartreuse cocky electric furnace
  04/01/15
Maybe but it has to be stressful constantly pissing people o...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
not if you dont give one fuck i know a guy that did this ...
chartreuse cocky electric furnace
  04/01/15
Well this guy is a lateral from six months ago. I already t...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
95% cchance he poasts
Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant
  04/01/15
cr
Fluffy Ticket Booth
  04/01/15
if you want to do him a solid, give him a closed door straig...
Bronze elastic band menage
  04/01/15
lol no he will find a way to buy himself 6 more months regar...
Green Abode Gay Wizard
  04/02/15
biglaw?
rambunctious theatre
  04/01/15
No fairly large boutique
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
show some spine and have a sit down talk with him about his ...
Spectacular range
  04/01/15
I have several times. He's always super apologetic and nice...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
I think we work with the same dude. So difficult to take so...
confused emerald stage faggotry
  04/01/15
Then there's no other choice but to negatively affect his ev...
Spectacular range
  04/01/15
Lol don't see how this dude can survive until evaluations.
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
even better.
Spectacular range
  04/01/15
Well I don't have any equity stake here. I'm pissed that I'...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
to be fair, here the truth comes out you aren't important...
fuchsia razzle associate
  04/02/15
this, didn't see this before i poasted above.
Bronze elastic band menage
  04/01/15
At some point people realize they are not going to continue ...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
There are better ways to slack and coast than to repeatedly ...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
Any chance you pissed him off at some point and he's being s...
odious ocher selfie
  04/01/15
Thought that but i walked around and chatted with a few peop...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
Lol your partners are so busy they will not get around to it...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Turning down work is a lot better approach than repeatedly s...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
Our slackers are constantly late. It's a good way for them ...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
I don't believe he has any other assignments currently.
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
What reasons does he give for missing deadlines when you tal...
Pearl 180 gas station
  04/01/15
Usually relates to wanting to add more details about somethi...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
You shouldn't ever be paying with the partner for his missed...
insanely creepy bull headed trailer park
  04/02/15
Kinda sounds like the man, tbh
Soul-stirring Plum Center Cumskin
  04/01/15
holy shit did you hire me
mahogany judgmental tank corn cake
  04/01/15
was concerned this was me until i saw the details
Floppy Twinkling Mood Garrison
  04/02/15
As a bit of background on this topic on why I have said abov...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
To be fair, you sound like a woman, being so concerned about...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
(guy who puts in 800 hrs/yr)
Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant
  04/01/15
im on dat inhouse tip solid 40 hrs a week no billables yny
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
To be clear, this conversation was 30 minutes long so I did ...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
That's just how firms function. Stars are underpaid and coas...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
If only the stars realized how easy it is to solo if you hav...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Lol the skill set of being a successful SOLO and being a suc...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
It does take having a pair of balls but otherwise it really ...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Nice bro. How niche are we talking?
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
Not really niche so much as people usually don't want to pay...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
lol at the chinkbot striver above attracting any solo client...
Green Abode Gay Wizard
  04/02/15
lol
sienna sandwich space
  04/02/15
Are you an actual moron? Literally every piece of research i...
stubborn crotch
  04/02/15
interesting
Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant
  04/01/15
I'd be pissed too. Ballsy to drop the two-week notice witho...
Spectacular range
  04/01/15
Why didnt you just coast And bill 1000 hours/yr after he sai...
odious ocher selfie
  04/01/15
were you on partner track? as a partner i used to work fo...
Excitant hyperventilating point legend
  04/01/15
I was told flat out that I was a shoe-in for partner. At my...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Okay, yeah I might walk away from that arrangement.
Excitant hyperventilating point legend
  04/01/15
Id be pissed too
odious ocher selfie
  04/01/15
Well I'm a slacker myself so I can't criticize the low hours...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
Fair, but missing deadlines and unavailability is how you ke...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
GREETINGS TIME WALKER! ARE CONTEMPORARIES IN YOUR EPOCH EXCI...
Crimson Racy Institution Dysfunction
  04/01/15
While hilarious this is decidedly uncredited. 2006-7 was wh...
insanely creepy bull headed trailer park
  04/02/15
Yeah but in seven to ten years you'll be up for partner!
sooty lay
  04/02/15
If not flame, then you are the reason I hate other lawyers.
turquoise dingle berry
  04/02/15
Absolutely! This guy is the problem with biglaw. Instead of ...
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though honestly as a slacker myself, id be fine making half ...
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(thing that never happened)
Green Abode Gay Wizard
  04/02/15
Sounds like INHOUSE. Missing deadlines is the NORM. People a...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
Meeting deadlines means you're obviously not busy and will p...
orange house
  04/01/15
Lol tyft. Unfortunately the people who tend to miss deadline...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
Right, because they have the greatest need to seem busy.
orange house
  04/01/15
Or because they are lazy, don't care, are incompetent, or al...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
Yup- been true since forever. my grandma used to say "...
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CR. It's part of the way the legal department markets itsel...
insanely creepy bull headed trailer park
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The positive is that it makes it much easier to be a standou...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/02/15
Somewhat CR, but the people who do best are the ones that im...
insanely creepy bull headed trailer park
  04/02/15
This guy sounds like me. 18 months in and averaging 100 hrs ...
topaz theater
  04/01/15
did you lateral?
Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant
  04/01/15
Nah 2nd yr
topaz theater
  04/01/15
Seems dangerous
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What's the worst that can happen? He doesn't have to go kill...
Olive shivering address old irish cottage
  04/01/15
I'm just riding it out now. It's not dangerous if you've mad...
topaz theater
  04/01/15
In that case more power to you brother.
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aqua senate
  04/01/15
Jesus fucking Christ, why care about this shit. Missed deadl...
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  04/01/15
I am the assigning attorney. If he doesn't get it done, I g...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
If you're getting blamed that sucks. Fire the fucker. I fuck...
lascivious naked wrinkle step-uncle's house
  04/01/15
Im sure OP loves getting reprimanded for his underling's mis...
odious ocher selfie
  04/01/15
Just imagine you were on teh titantic. what tf would you eve...
mahogany judgmental tank corn cake
  04/01/15
Do you think he will be more focused now that he does not ha...
Wine dog poop
  04/01/15
How do coasters get to coast? Why aren't they fired?
poppy milk
  04/01/15
Strategic evasion. Well crafted excuses. you generally have ...
topaz theater
  04/01/15
Cr. It's managing to be simultaneously horrible at your job ...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Biglaw eventually culls even these types tho
aqua senate
  04/01/15
i havent worked in months and when I was practicing law I di...
sienna sandwich space
  04/02/15
Well if you just generally avoid work, I think you can slack...
Charcoal rehab persian
  04/01/15
Why fire him? You'll continue to just keep picking up the s...
Unhinged big library
  04/01/15
Every other industry solved this problem with performance ba...
bespoke cerebral marketing idea
  04/02/15
love this thread. lateralled 8 months ago after 3 years and...
Diverse ultramarine piazza sweet tailpipe
  04/02/15
maybe you should stop setting fake arbitrary deadlines. See...
Clear Locale Nowag
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lol at the whiny of counsel pumos in this thread. just beca...
fuchsia razzle associate
  04/02/15
lol
sienna sandwich space
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Biglaw sucks, is entirely fraud&lies, etc. but it's not ...
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some people are just chronic procrastinators...
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Ive barely gone in to work in 3 months and I'm still collect...
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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:47 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Guy keeps saying "I will have this done by this day". Never completes it by the day. This is really starting to affect me adversely. Pissed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598217)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:50 PM
Author: chartreuse cocky electric furnace

either shit can or ask for head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598240)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:52 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

He won't last six months. This is the first time I've had somebody so brazenly do this. Maybe he's having personal issues or something but this is just ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598257)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:53 PM
Author: chartreuse cocky electric furnace

sounds like he is cruising with an easy paycheck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598262)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:55 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Maybe but it has to be stressful constantly pissing people off and getting yelled at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598275)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:57 PM
Author: chartreuse cocky electric furnace

not if you dont give one fuck

i know a guy that did this constantly, it was his schtick

you can pull it off for a few years before it catches up to you in biglaw since its so hard to let someone go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598287)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Well this guy is a lateral from six months ago. I already talked to one of the head partners, and he's already ready to shitcan him. I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt to see if this can be salvaged but it's looking increasingly unlikely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598310)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:46 PM
Author: Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant

95% cchance he poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598630)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:56 PM
Author: Fluffy Ticket Booth

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598718)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:43 PM
Author: Bronze elastic band menage

if you want to do him a solid, give him a closed door straight talk and straight up ask what's going on. if he comes clean and there's something (divorce, crisis, etc) try to help him like a good bro. Otherwise, fuck that guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599246)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:24 AM
Author: Green Abode Gay Wizard

lol no he will find a way to buy himself 6 more months regardless. Fire the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601835)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:54 PM
Author: rambunctious theatre

biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598267)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

No fairly large boutique

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598312)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:55 PM
Author: Spectacular range

show some spine and have a sit down talk with him about his terrible performance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598272)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:56 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

I have several times. He's always super apologetic and nice in person but then just goes back to failing to meet whatever new deadline he agreed to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598282)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:01 PM
Author: confused emerald stage faggotry

I think we work with the same dude. So difficult to take someone to task when when they are nice like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598319)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:08 PM
Author: Spectacular range

Then there's no other choice but to negatively affect his evaluations. If expectations are clear and you've seen no improvement then burn him at the stake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598374)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:13 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Lol don't see how this dude can survive until evaluations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598405)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:14 PM
Author: Spectacular range

even better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598412)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:16 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Well I don't have any equity stake here. I'm pissed that I'll probably have to write these particular assignments I gave him myself. But otherwise just won't give him anymore work. Don't really care how long he coasts for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598426)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:46 AM
Author: fuchsia razzle associate

to be fair, here the truth comes out

you aren't important, he knows you aren't important, and he is pushing your work off to do work for people that are important.

this happens at every firm to of counsels and income partners. welcome to the pyramid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601970)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:44 PM
Author: Bronze elastic band menage

this, didn't see this before i poasted above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599250)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

At some point people realize they are not going to continue in biglaw. At this point they have two options, find a new career or ride the train and collect them checks. Most laterals are complete "collect them checks" types. We just had a lateral bill 800 hours (she literally turned down work constantly), then before her review she announced her resignation. As a transactional associate you can get away with murder right now and continue this process till the economy does because the shortage is real and permanent in the mid level years. I have a buddy whos on his third firm billing less than 1000 hours.

Partners are such passive aggressive pussies that you can get away with murder.

These people pissed me off when I was in biglaw until I realized they are maximizing their returns on the system. These people just get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598313)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:04 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

There are better ways to slack and coast than to repeatedly say "I'll have this done tomorrow" and not do it. That seems like a good approach to expedite your exit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598348)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:07 PM
Author: odious ocher selfie

Any chance you pissed him off at some point and he's being subtly trollling you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598366)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:10 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Thought that but i walked around and chatted with a few people today, and he's pulled the same shit with everybody. Also pulled his hours and he is billing 110 hours a month so it's not like he's busy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598387)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:10 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Lol your partners are so busy they will not get around to it for a minimum of 9 more months. It's a key part of the slacking strategy, when someone gives them an assignment, they say sorry I am working on matter X and am pretty behind the eight ball. You then confirm they are indeed behind.

Again, this only works because your bosses are cowards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598386)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:12 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Turning down work is a lot better approach than repeatedly saying you'll do something and then not doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598400)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:16 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Our slackers are constantly late. It's a good way for them to reassert that they are swamped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598422)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:17 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

I don't believe he has any other assignments currently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598438)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:25 PM
Author: Pearl 180 gas station

What reasons does he give for missing deadlines when you talk to him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598500)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:41 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Usually relates to wanting to add more details about something. Hasn't cited other work or personal issues as of yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598597)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:07 PM
Author: insanely creepy bull headed trailer park

You shouldn't ever be paying with the partner for his missed deadline. I assume he's not proactively coming back to you at deadline and saying "sorry my nigga I know it's dat deadline but I'm still trying to figure out x and y. I'll be back at you in the a m. Black actors, man, Black actors." Instead you have to go seek him out each time and say "where the fuck is the thing you promised?" IME I mean not me but this guy I know the credited long term disorganized/slack approach is to acknowledge deadline when it's getting missed and give a substantive reason to readjust deadline. You're still an asshole and annoying to work with, but at least you don't seem completely clueless, and it leaves room for hope that you might one day get your shit together. If he's making you chew him out each time you should point this out to him. Then when the partner bitches you out you forward his bullshit email and say "fucktarded junior is being shitty again."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602458)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:37 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Plum Center Cumskin

Kinda sounds like the man, tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598573)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:40 PM
Author: mahogany judgmental tank corn cake

holy shit did you hire me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598594)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:25 PM
Author: Floppy Twinkling Mood Garrison

was concerned this was me until i saw the details

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602514)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:42 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

As a bit of background on this topic on why I have said above that slacking does not matter:

I was on pace to bill 2400 my year. I went into the timesheet system our firm has and discovered that other associates were on pace for 1100 hours. Needless to say, I was fucking pissed. I was likely the best regarded associate (told by many partners) at my satellite firm office (around 12 associates).

I requested a meeting with the managing partner and laid out the facts above. His response that my work was great and the others did not have good work. I said that was awesome except that those people made the same salary I made without killing themselves like I was, so if he didn't like them, then they needed to get rid of them and find associates the firm could give work to in order to help me out. He literally said the firm would absolutely not consider firing anyone so long as it was in good economic health, and things would continue to remain as-is. I put in my two weeks notice on the spot.

Some firms seriously just will not fire people.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598606)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:46 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

To be fair, you sound like a woman, being so concerned about what's "fair" about how much others are paid. Who cares what others are paid relative to you. If you think you deserve you should get a raise then ask for one. But don't be like "lol they shouldn't make as much!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598634)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant

(guy who puts in 800 hrs/yr)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598650)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

im on dat inhouse tip solid 40 hrs a week no billables yny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598674)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

To be clear, this conversation was 30 minutes long so I did not recall every detail. I asked for a raise which was immediately rejected as against firm policy to not deviate from lockstep. I think it was legitimate to complain about others getting paid the same when the firm had outright called the raise a non-starter against firm policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598681)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:53 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

That's just how firms function. Stars are underpaid and coasters are overpaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598694)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:55 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

If only the stars realized how easy it is to solo if you have that kind of motor. I make way more than what I did in way less hours now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598709)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:56 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

Lol the skill set of being a successful SOLO and being a successful BIGLAW associate are completely different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598719)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

It does take having a pair of balls but otherwise it really hasn't been that challenging. Being an expert in a niche area where people did not want to typically pay biglaw rates really helped me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598791)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:07 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

Nice bro. How niche are we talking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598842)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:13 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Not really niche so much as people usually don't want to pay biglaw money for it. My pitch is that you get a biglaw expertise at half the cost, which makes it affordable for a class of people who would otherwise not retain counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598968)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:28 AM
Author: Green Abode Gay Wizard

lol at the chinkbot striver above attracting any solo clients and then overbilling the fuck out of them. YOU PAY ME NOW I BIRL 2800 HOURS TO YOUR CASE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601851)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:36 AM
Author: sienna sandwich space

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602296)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:25 AM
Author: stubborn crotch

Are you an actual moron? Literally every piece of research indicates that the only thing relevant to your happiness is relative income, possessions, achievements, etc. Absolute pay is completely irrelevant.

Plus, just as a matter of economics, obviously they could afford to pay superstar associate a larger base (or at least bonus) if they had fewer of these underperforming lawyers on hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601615)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:47 PM
Author: Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598647)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: Spectacular range

I'd be pissed too. Ballsy to drop the two-week notice without another job too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598655)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: odious ocher selfie

Why didnt you just coast And bill 1000 hours/yr after he said that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598657)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: Excitant hyperventilating point legend

were you on partner track?

as a partner i used to work for would say, you're not killing yourself at a firm for the salary you get, but for the partner profits should you get elected. it's not quite that easy, but there is a grain of truth in that. he also basically said that if you don't see yourself making at least $1M/year in the future, then you should do something else, bc biglaw is too demanding of a job to be making $300k a year as a Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598677)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:54 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

I was told flat out that I was a shoe-in for partner. At my firm it was a free for all above and junior partners made like 300k no equity for 5 years. To make that after killing myself for another 5 years (track takes about ten years at the office) was not worth it. At most firms away from the top few you dont make shit unless you have clients. And if you have clients, why the fuck wouldn't you just solo instead of waiting 15 years for equity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598702)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:55 PM
Author: Excitant hyperventilating point legend

Okay, yeah I might walk away from that arrangement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598713)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:08 PM
Author: odious ocher selfie

Id be pissed too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598880)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Well I'm a slacker myself so I can't criticize the low hours folks. But actively taking on work and missing deadlines would seem to piss people off and draw attention to yourself much faster than just having low hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598684)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Fair, but missing deadlines and unavailability is how you keep your hours low. For instance, one partner refused to work with an associate because he left the office and was unreachable at 5:15 P.M. on the eve of a closing. A lot of people with low hours avoid the whole turning down work thing by just giving enough bad experiences like the one above until nobody even asks them. As I said, a lot firms will not conduct a layoff in an economically healthy department period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598784)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: Crimson Racy Institution Dysfunction

GREETINGS TIME WALKER! ARE CONTEMPORARIES IN YOUR EPOCH EXCITED ABOUT THE UPCOMING iPhone LAUNCH?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598786)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:19 PM
Author: insanely creepy bull headed trailer park

While hilarious this is decidedly uncredited. 2006-7 was when the stealth was invented and perfected specifically bc you had a bunch of completely useless midlevels who never got trained and all of a sudden made 250k bc the lockstep shot up so much. Mid levels today are much more protected bc the markets were more or less functional after the bottom of ITE. 2001-2 was a stock market recession which pwn3d the juniors of that time. 2008-9 was a mortgage recession that left juniors plenty of work and way less competition once the great lathamings had washed across biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602492)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 6:53 AM
Author: sooty lay

Yeah but in seven to ten years you'll be up for partner!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601334)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:06 AM
Author: turquoise dingle berry

If not flame, then you are the reason I hate other lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601346)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:16 AM
Author: arousing black sanctuary chad

Absolutely! This guy is the problem with biglaw. Instead of saying to himself, "I can have a good lifestyle billing like these guys," he runs to the partner to complain. And people wonder why biglaw is miserable? It is because it filled with people like this. Fucking awful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601803)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:48 AM
Author: fuchsia razzle associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601986)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:35 AM
Author: ruby multi-colored therapy stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602291)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:43 AM
Author: sienna sandwich space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602344)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:31 PM
Author: Floppy Twinkling Mood Garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602549)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:30 AM
Author: Diverse ultramarine piazza sweet tailpipe

though honestly as a slacker myself, id be fine making half and billing half of what this guy does if the expectations were clear and i could do my 4-5 hrs a day and then not be stressed all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601865)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:27 AM
Author: Green Abode Gay Wizard

(thing that never happened)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601846)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:45 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

Sounds like INHOUSE. Missing deadlines is the NORM. People are legit surprised if you are given work, you give a reasonable deadline of when you will do something, and then you meet or exceed it. They expect you to drag your feet for at least a week or so after when you said you would do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598624)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:47 PM
Author: orange house

Meeting deadlines means you're obviously not busy and will probably be gone in the next round of layoffs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598648)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:49 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

Lol tyft. Unfortunately the people who tend to miss deadlines are often those with the least amount of work in my experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598667)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: orange house

Right, because they have the greatest need to seem busy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598673)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

Or because they are lazy, don't care, are incompetent, or all of the above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598683)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: bespoke cerebral marketing idea

Yup- been true since forever. my grandma used to say "if you want to get something done, give it to someone who is busy!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601361)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:26 PM
Author: insanely creepy bull headed trailer park

CR. It's part of the way the legal department markets itself to the business. "Sorry I made you wait on this answer, fucker who can't give feedback on my review. But the legal department staffs so LEAN and we're expected to cover SO MUCH GROUND that it's really best this way. You could have this answer when you wanted it last week, but we'd need to hire twice as many attorneys to make that happen, and then we'd all get lower bonuses." But I disagree with the above person who said making deadlines means you're not useful. It means you should be teed up for a BIGGER ROLE, which is why the system actually works better than biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602521)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:26 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

The positive is that it makes it much easier to be a standout INHOUSE than at a firm. Doing what would be considered the bare minimum at a firm is considered very impressive INHOUSE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602989)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:35 PM
Author: insanely creepy bull headed trailer park

Somewhat CR, but the people who do best are the ones that important execs troll for, period. I'd rather be a middling performer with powerful clients who love me than well-regarded in the department but invisible to the business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27604669)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: topaz theater

This guy sounds like me. 18 months in and averaging 100 hrs a month over that period. Still getting paid every 2 weeks. Yny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598658)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Amber Vivacious Whorehouse Legal Warrant

did you lateral?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598685)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: topaz theater

Nah 2nd yr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598687)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:52 PM
Author: Learning disabled insane voyeur knife

Seems dangerous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598692)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:53 PM
Author: Olive shivering address old irish cottage

What's the worst that can happen? He doesn't have to go kill his soul at a firm anymore? lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598697)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:54 PM
Author: topaz theater

I'm just riding it out now. It's not dangerous if you've made peace that biglaw won't be where you make your stand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598700)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:57 PM
Author: Learning disabled insane voyeur knife

In that case more power to you brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598730)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: aqua senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599118)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:58 PM
Author: lascivious naked wrinkle step-uncle's house

Jesus fucking Christ, why care about this shit. Missed deadlines? Partners fault. Fuck giving a shit. Grow some stones OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598732)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:00 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

I am the assigning attorney. If he doesn't get it done, I get blamed. More like I have to try to fix it with urgency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598752)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:02 PM
Author: lascivious naked wrinkle step-uncle's house

If you're getting blamed that sucks. Fire the fucker. I fucking hate games people play with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598777)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:01 PM
Author: odious ocher selfie

Im sure OP loves getting reprimanded for his underling's mistakes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598763)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: mahogany judgmental tank corn cake

Just imagine you were on teh titantic. what tf would you even do. talk to the partner?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598778)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: Wine dog poop

Do you think he will be more focused now that he does not have mod powers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598793)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: poppy milk

How do coasters get to coast? Why aren't they fired?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598795)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:06 PM
Author: topaz theater

Strategic evasion. Well crafted excuses. you generally have to be likable and personable so that nebbish partners don't want to deal with the discomfort of firing you. Ymmv.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598807)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:09 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Cr. It's managing to be simultaneously horrible at your job while being everyone's best friend. It's quite a skill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598885)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:26 PM
Author: aqua senate

Biglaw eventually culls even these types tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599132)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:46 AM
Author: sienna sandwich space

i havent worked in months and when I was practicing law I didn't either. im amazed im still around tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602354)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:10 PM
Author: Charcoal rehab persian

Well if you just generally avoid work, I think you can slack for a long time. There are a lot of reasons people may be slow, and its just hard to Fire somebody based on hours. If this guy keeps pulling this shit, I think he'll be gone within six months. But what do I know? It's not like I can fire him myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598913)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:45 PM
Author: Unhinged big library

Why fire him? You'll continue to just keep picking up the slack. From the partners perspective there is no issue here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599262)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: bespoke cerebral marketing idea

Every other industry solved this problem with performance based comp.

Biglaw can't do that economically because they make their margins off the grinder associate and of counsel types. They realize that the slackers are just a cost of business, and if they manage to bill 100 hrs a month, the net cost may be zero.

Mat leave is the same thing. No firm makes money off mat leave - it's an experiment that failed because all the moms leave asap after taking the leave. But the firms are ok with eating the cost because of the marketing benefit.

What you should be upset about is that you are underpaid and are relying on some early 2000s get rich scheme of partnership that doesn't exist anymore. Even if you make partner, you'll be working your balls off, and you won't make much until years into it when, guess what, they will push you out if you aren't billing a ton of hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601372)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 8:47 AM
Author: Diverse ultramarine piazza sweet tailpipe

love this thread. lateralled 8 months ago after 3 years and my hours have varied each month between acceptable and complete joke. I rarely if ever miss a deadline, and if I do its by no more than 12 hours, but sometimes the work quality is significantly sub par. I really do try, but i have so little motivation and get so goddam stress-pwned sometimes that I can't help it. I've made peace with the fact that getting fired will be the best day of my life, but the striver in me won't let me just coast, so it's a constant tug of war which is having some serious deleterious effects on my personal life and sanity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601506)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:34 AM
Author: Clear Locale Nowag

maybe you should stop setting fake arbitrary deadlines. Seems like this guy is on to your game and just ignores you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601884)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:50 AM
Author: fuchsia razzle associate

lol at the whiny of counsel pumos in this thread. just because you got NOBREAKFAST doesn't mean you have to be miserable shrews. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601994)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:47 AM
Author: sienna sandwich space

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602358)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: flirting sex offender boiling water

Biglaw sucks, is entirely fraud&lies, etc. but it's not "chill" to do this shit to your colleagues unless they give you a good reason to. Biglaw people are bad enough, why does this board praise people who want to turn it into a competition between associates to see how can stick the others with his work? If a senior associate has been a real dick, that's another story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27603014)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:36 AM
Author: ruby multi-colored therapy stead

some people are just chronic procrastinators...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602301)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:35 PM
Author: startling jew coffee pot

Ive barely gone in to work in 3 months and I'm still collecting dem checks. I set up a mannequin with its torso attached to an oscillating fan so it moves around a little bit, and I put the blinds down in my office and put a cardboard cut out on the inside of my office so it's always casting a shadow. Constantly looks like I'm meeting with someone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27603062)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:35 PM
Author: well-lubricated theater stage

wait. is this artisinal ham girl?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27604670)