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JFC twist already making up his own modding rules

dumb faggot mods: delete outing threads and spam. this is NO...
crystalline fighting theatre
  04/02/15
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khaki volcanic crater
  04/02/15
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Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen
  04/02/15
Of all the Poasters that were suggested not sure why RACH we...
irradiated saffron set kitty cat
  04/02/15
lol. Jesus. I mod a Benzo post describing what another poste...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
Well, they're right. Modding that was stupid. Describing a p...
excitant partner business firm
  04/02/15
I'm not a huge fan of Benzo but I think this is tcr
Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen
  04/02/15
I never said it did. I outlined my reasons for modding the p...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
lol jfc
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
Link to Rach advocating an expansion of the modding policy? ...
Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen
  04/02/15
He had no problem with me dealing with the college board, al...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
Link to the college board pls? tyia
Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen
  04/02/15
http://xoxohth.com/main.php?forum_id=1
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
I believe we already have a board consensus on our policy to...
Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life
  04/03/15
You mean because Cynthia's posts didn't get modded?
nudist house sex offender
  04/03/15
No, twist is 100% right here. Apparently rach thought it'd b...
180 High-end Forum
  04/02/15
mfcr. Frankly though many other posters would have done this...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
I dunno what you did I'm just saying its a strange choice b/...
irradiated saffron set kitty cat
  04/02/15
Yeah, people will definitely bitch a lot.
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
heh. Yeah people are gonna bitch a lot. (twist)
bistre lettuce
  04/04/15
This is another reason you should not be a mod. you take EVE...
coiffed judgmental ratface
  04/02/15
you play pillars of eternity yet?
Stirring fiercely-loyal center tank
  04/02/15
yeah, it's really buggy though, wait for a patch or two. ...
coiffed judgmental ratface
  04/02/15
tcr
bistre lettuce
  04/02/15
The fact you're whining about your internet friends "sh...
bistre lettuce
  04/02/15
Ok Steroid
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
(Chill mod who attempts to log pumos, great)
bistre lettuce
  04/02/15
titcop. no offense.
tan at-the-ready coffee pot base
  04/02/15
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Insane Senate
  04/02/15
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slippery mother
  04/02/15
terrible choice
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
cr because he's not just a shitty mod but a good poster so h...
talking abode
  04/04/15
eh. twist is a better choice than many of the drama-whores, ...
Bespoke Grizzly Pisswyrm Antidepressant Drug
  04/02/15
twist: twist is one of the biggest drama queens currently. ...
coiffed judgmental ratface
  04/02/15
Did you miss the part about long aspie explanations? That al...
Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life
  04/02/15
...
Burgundy zippy feces
  04/04/15
gays thrive in drama sorry twist
Jet-lagged ticket booth
  04/02/15
lol remember when twist said benzo was incapable of listenin...
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
This is about as stupid as you usually are, which is to say ...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
scramble your password and get a new account, boom mod privs...
Jet-lagged ticket booth
  04/02/15
youre completely full of shit. "i decided to use ...
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
lol no. i saw this coming from miles away, bro. let me c...
coiffed judgmental ratface
  04/02/15
Modding ain't easy. Give him a break, he's doing his best.
razzle slap-happy candlestick maker stage
  04/02/15
a heartwarming passover message from our overlord :)
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
Oh good, trusted mod getting into bitch wars and calling oth...
bistre lettuce
  04/02/15
tbf, steez is stupid and he's a faggot of the highest order
Burgundy zippy feces
  04/04/15
i dont give a fuck what he deleted, twist is my dude
internet-worthy maniacal fat ankles temple
  04/02/15
ty brother.
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
my dude = good mod gotit
talking abode
  04/04/15
...
Burgundy zippy feces
  04/04/15
reminder: psychotic hypocrite twist thinks its his job to us...
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/02/15
Relax http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844632&a...
Stirring fiercely-loyal center tank
  04/02/15
(Guy who attempted to ruin the board last year)
bistre lettuce
  04/02/15
something twist cant do which is why he was a terrible choic...
talking abode
  04/04/15
Twist takes a lot of shit personally, but it seems to be jus...
Insane Senate
  04/02/15
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180 High-end Forum
  04/02/15
Twist has a grudge against me and should not be a mod.
Green mediation
  04/02/15
Is this fucklaw? You've never done anything that I'd mod
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
You really hate me though.
Green mediation
  04/02/15
Kinda, yeah, but I don't see the issue. In terms of moderati...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
Noooooo don't chill the discussion of HBD archipelago ethnos...
Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life
  04/02/15
Obviously his posts wouldn't pass the rigorous peer review s...
nudist house sex offender
  04/02/15
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Burgundy zippy feces
  04/04/15
I stand with Twist.
ivory slimy tanning salon
  04/04/15
twist shouldn't be mod because of his dubious history with D...
trip doobsian becky site
  04/06/15
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Bateful geriatric theater stage gunner
  04/06/15
twist silent
soul-stirring really tough guy
  04/07/15


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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:09 AM
Author: crystalline fighting theatre

dumb faggot mods: delete outing threads and spam. this is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602128)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:16 PM
Author: khaki volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602482)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:32 AM
Author: Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602273)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:37 AM
Author: irradiated saffron set kitty cat

Of all the Poasters that were suggested not sure why RACH went with twist.... He's like a magnet for bort drama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602305)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:42 AM
Author: nudist house sex offender

lol. Jesus. I mod a Benzo post describing what another poster's voice sounded like on a voicemail Benzo never should have heard in the first place and posters I've known for years suddenly make their true feelings clear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602338)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:43 AM
Author: excitant partner business firm

Well, they're right. Modding that was stupid. Describing a person's voice doesn't out them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602343)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:48 AM
Author: Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen

I'm not a huge fan of Benzo but I think this is tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602363)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:48 AM
Author: nudist house sex offender

I never said it did. I outlined my reasons for modding the post there. I think they're consistent with what I know about Rach's vision for maintaining the site's relevance and developing its user base.

I have also modded other non-outing posts. For instance, I deleted a lot of posts from the college board, while it still existed, about various named undergrad women. None of these outed posters. I decided to trust my judgment in these matters since I don't really care about being a mod, strictly speaking. If Rach finds what I'm doing interesting he'll keep me and if not, he won't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602364)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:20 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

lol jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602493)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen

Link to Rach advocating an expansion of the modding policy?

tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602504)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

He had no problem with me dealing with the college board, although we didn't go into detail when we discussed it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602543)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:31 PM
Author: Wonderful Salmon Dysfunction Liquid Oxygen

Link to the college board pls?

tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602550)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

http://xoxohth.com/main.php?forum_id=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602553)



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Date: April 3rd, 2015 11:55 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life

I believe we already have a board consensus on our policy towards IRL non board people being defamed. See: lol suit; Cynthia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27610328)



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Date: April 3rd, 2015 12:00 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

You mean because Cynthia's posts didn't get modded?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27610352)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:30 PM
Author: 180 High-end Forum

No, twist is 100% right here. Apparently rach thought it'd be a good idea to share with Benzo the voicemail message I had left him after discovering my moniker was changed to "Faggot [irl name] from Columbia" the other night. I thought the voicemail was professional, albeit terse, since I wasn't certain that was actually rach's number.

We still don't know whether rach did, in fact, share the voicemail with Benzo or whether this is another one of that psychotic, Truvada-guzzling faggot's lies. If rach did share the voicemail with Benzo, why did he? It seems like an especially shitty thing to do.

That said, any description of my voice or what I said (since it included my phone number) should be modded because it was improperly obtained. I never should have been put in that situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604270)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:32 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

mfcr. Frankly though many other posters would have done this without it facing objection, which is Wocket's point. If I have people like Steroid, Steez, UVT etc. on my nuts whenever I try to protect someone like you then I won't be an effective mod and it could have negative effects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604284)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:45 AM
Author: irradiated saffron set kitty cat

I dunno what you did I'm just saying its a strange choice b/c it seems like ppl are always bitching at or about you and now it will be worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602352)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:48 AM
Author: nudist house sex offender

Yeah, people will definitely bitch a lot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602366)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 4:40 AM
Author: bistre lettuce

heh. Yeah people are gonna bitch a lot.

(twist)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27616993)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: coiffed judgmental ratface

This is another reason you should not be a mod. you take EVERYTHING personally.

you are rarely capable of being objective.

you are not a bad person/poster, but you are not suitable to be a mod.

the ideal mod is someone who is not even involved with the content of the board AT ALL, but just deletes or restores threads based on rules objectively. you are the opposite of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603009)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:30 PM
Author: Stirring fiercely-loyal center tank

you play pillars of eternity yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603020)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:32 PM
Author: coiffed judgmental ratface

yeah, it's really buggy though, wait for a patch or two.

it's a good game though, classic Black Isle studio/old school Bioware style RPG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603036)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:27 PM
Author: bistre lettuce

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604236)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:27 PM
Author: bistre lettuce

The fact you're whining about your internet friends "showing their true feelings" is among the many reasons you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT BE A MOD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604233)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:28 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

Ok Steroid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604249)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:29 PM
Author: bistre lettuce

(Chill mod who attempts to log pumos, great)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604257)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:50 AM
Author: tan at-the-ready coffee pot base

titcop.

no offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602371)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: Insane Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602575)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: slippery mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604481)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:18 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

terrible choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602487)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 9:59 PM
Author: talking abode

cr because he's not just a shitty mod but a good poster so his spending time shitmodding means we're being deprived of quality posts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621840)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: Bespoke Grizzly Pisswyrm Antidepressant Drug

eh. twist is a better choice than many of the drama-whores, at least he will probably have long, aspie defenses of any given modding and will probably stop doing shit if it's inconsistent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27602506)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:31 PM
Author: coiffed judgmental ratface

twist: twist is one of the biggest drama queens currently.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603029)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:09 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life

Did you miss the part about long aspie explanations? That alone should elevate him to permanent mod status IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604509)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:09 PM
Author: Burgundy zippy feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621886)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:30 PM
Author: Jet-lagged ticket booth

gays thrive in drama

sorry twist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603022)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:40 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

lol remember when twist said benzo was incapable of listening to other people?

gj, ge completely ignoring the many people saying you shouldnt be a mod

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603096)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:46 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

This is about as stupid as you usually are, which is to say really, really fucking stupid. First, I never asked to be a mod. Second, I never claimed I'd be a good one - in fact, I said in a few places that I might not be well-placed for it, for a few reasons - but that didn't absolve me of the responsibility to make judgment calls after Rach appointed me. Third, nobody said I shouldn't be a mod until after the Benzo thread, and I haven't taken any mod actions since then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603132)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:47 PM
Author: Jet-lagged ticket booth

scramble your password and get a new account, boom mod privs removed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603138)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:51 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

youre completely full of shit.

"i decided to use my best judgment when shitmodding whatever i feel like shitmodding and it only matters if rach is ok with that"

explain how youd respond to benzo or doobs saying that. or, dont bother and just kill yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603165)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:51 PM
Author: coiffed judgmental ratface

lol no. i saw this coming from miles away, bro.

let me call something else for you right now: the board will turn on you completely if you stay a mod and continue posting as you used to. human nature.

you were attacked by pumos before for thinking you were smarter than you are. this really shows that you are not that smart. this (being the consequences and implications of you being a mod) is really really obvious to me and many others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603171)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:07 PM
Author: razzle slap-happy candlestick maker stage

Modding ain't easy. Give him a break, he's doing his best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603289)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:09 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

a heartwarming passover message from our overlord :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603297)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:28 PM
Author: bistre lettuce

Oh good, trusted mod getting into bitch wars and calling other posters really really stupid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604251)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:10 PM
Author: Burgundy zippy feces

tbf, steez is stupid and he's a faggot of the highest order

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621893)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:49 PM
Author: internet-worthy maniacal fat ankles temple

i dont give a fuck what he deleted, twist is my dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603151)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:50 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

ty brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27603159)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:02 PM
Author: talking abode

my dude = good mod gotit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621851)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:10 PM
Author: Burgundy zippy feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621897)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 3:59 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

reminder: psychotic hypocrite twist thinks its his job to use his "judgment" to do "interesting" things with his shitmodding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604043)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:04 PM
Author: Stirring fiercely-loyal center tank

Relax

http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844632&mc=123&forum_id=2#27603464

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604074)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:30 PM
Author: bistre lettuce

(Guy who attempted to ruin the board last year)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604264)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:10 PM
Author: talking abode

something twist cant do which is why he was a terrible choice 4 mod

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621898)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:29 PM
Author: Insane Senate

Twist takes a lot of shit personally, but it seems to be just against people who are genuinely bad people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604259)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 4:31 PM
Author: 180 High-end Forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604277)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:00 PM
Author: Green mediation

Twist has a grudge against me and should not be a mod.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604463)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:00 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

Is this fucklaw? You've never done anything that I'd mod

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604467)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:02 PM
Author: Green mediation

You really hate me though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604471)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

Kinda, yeah, but I don't see the issue. In terms of moderation you just aren't a problematic poster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604484)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:11 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Flatulent Sanctuary Love Of Her Life

Noooooo don't chill the discussion of HBD archipelago ethnos monarchy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604519)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:12 PM
Author: nudist house sex offender

Obviously his posts wouldn't pass the rigorous peer review standards I'll be implementing on the Grad Board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27604531)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:11 PM
Author: Burgundy zippy feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621902)



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Date: April 4th, 2015 10:06 PM
Author: ivory slimy tanning salon

I stand with Twist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27621871)



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Date: April 6th, 2015 9:46 PM
Author: trip doobsian becky site

twist shouldn't be mod because of his dubious history with Doobs and his attempts to discover personal information about certain female posters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27635789)



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Date: April 6th, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Bateful geriatric theater stage gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27635850)



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Date: April 7th, 2015 4:54 PM
Author: soul-stirring really tough guy

twist silent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844820&forum_id=2#27642088)