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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:11 PM Author: onyx nibblets
I can't say I blame the parents that much for wanting to avoid the arms race of tiger parenting. It serves no purpose and is not a good proxy for life outcomes.
Now JJC, I know what you're thinking: LOSER whites can't compete with the Asians! This is exactly the mindset that depresses me. Can't we acknowledge that after, say, 2-3 hours of homework each night, the marginal value drops sharply? I can't even remember half the stuff I learned in school because it doesn't actually matter. And I'm a person who spends 75% of his day reading something.
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:36 PM Author: multi-colored filthpig
"one can make a legitimate argument that asian tiger parents take it too far. i'm pretty critical of asians in many aspects."
i had to lol at one asian tiger mom for criticizing the person who took a dive at the olympics to beat out the american, saying she'd NEVER teach her kids to win at all costs
this is a mom who doesn't allow her kids to go to sleepovers or play sports because it takes time away from studying
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Date: September 14th, 2016 1:29 PM Author: Exciting geriatric tanning salon
Let's play this out a little further. What happens when Johnny (2 hours of studying) gets bad grades compared to Chen (4 hours of studying)? Johnny gets an A-, Chen gets A+.
Johnny then goes to UGa, GTech, or maybe Emory if his SAT/AP scores are good. Chen goes to Emory, Duke, Berkeley, or maybe an Ivy if his SAT scores are good.
What is the problem here? Johnny was never going to Hahvahd. He doesn't have to get an A+ for UGa.
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:19 PM Author: Mustard gaping location
From the article:
"....robotic, unfeeling machines psychotically hell-bent on excelling, products of abusive tiger parenting who care only about test scores and perfection, driven to succeed without even knowing why.”
A good description of US "AZN"s?
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Date: September 14th, 2016 2:49 PM Author: thriller chest-beating school cafeteria
"Date: August 27th, 2016 4:39 PM
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JJC, you're a personal and professional failure. Shut the fuck up about everything."
You make the rest of us quotmos look bad.
STFU
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3334049&forum_id=2#31406416) |
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Date: August 27th, 2016 6:32 PM Author: Magenta magical jew turdskin
many asians have more american values than whites. you know, hard work, thrift, lawfulness, sobriety, family-orientation, etc.
here's how a racist thinks:
asians = robotic, meek, uncreative
whites = somehow perfect in every way
blacks = lazy, aggressive, free-wheeling
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:43 PM Author: Wonderful Tan Lay Digit Ratio
Amusing this is about the competition between the only two groups that are actively discriminated against.
Edit Joos too
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:47 PM Author: contagious talking piazza
"While the term “model minority” substantiates a myth about how whites value Asians"
lolwtf
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:51 PM Author: Salmon clown forum
high-achieving whites and asians have legitimately different learning styles and preferences, and we might as well acknowledge that.
if you read biographies of "great chinese thinkers" and other such figures, they often started out under the tutoring of a "great master," ie, someone at a particular monastery/academy who guided them through the vast mountain of texts and books which make up the core of chinese literary/philosophical high culture.
the emphasis is on the accumulation of "deep knowledge," ie, the application of analysis to what has been learned. after which, the student becomes a scholar and can produce his own writings.
this makes historical sense, since the ancient nature of chinese culture left it with a huge amount of work from the deep past with a direct continuity to the present.
european thinkers studied a lot as well, but they were often a lot "kookier," and would do things like go off wandering around europe for a while, or fight for some prince, or dabble in different fields instead of trying to master any particular one, and then produce genre-spanning work that moved several fields forward at once.
these are not superficial differences; these are structural. each group should be able to facilitate the best sort of education for their own kids without forcing everything into an uncomfortable mishmash.
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Date: August 27th, 2016 4:53 PM Author: Sinister house-broken hell
180 response:
Your first mistake is to presume that white neighborhoods are uniformly liberal, which is hardly true. For example, in the suburbs of Berkeley, which has a reputation for being so far left as to fall off the charts, I know plenty of whites who are conservatives, libertarians, etc. Each may have their own reasons for not wanting to stay in any particular neighborhood, if proportions change.
If the new “diversity” includes too great a proportion of blacks or Hispanics, crime rates tend to rise, and nothing lights a fire under a white homeowner more than an increase in crime. (If you think that’s “racist”, then crime stats are racist. But of course, they’re not.)
If the “diversity” includes too great a proportion of Asians, crime tends to decrease, but if they’re Indian, other social ills follow (noise, chaos, clutter), and if they’re East Asian (Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.) aesthetics can suffer; all you have to do to confirm this is to visit the Chinese-majority neighborhoods of San Francisco where godawful house paint colors, the utter neglect of landscaping and a lack of appreciation for historic preservation are rampant. If the group is Japanese . . . well, all would be fine, but the Japanese don’t throng together in enclaves; they seamlessly integrate with whites.
What’s cute (but not really) is your parroting of the tired old saw that racism is the exclusive province of white people. This is so false as to be laughable. See how well-received a black family would be into a Hispanic-majority neighborhood, or a Hispanic family into a Chinese-majority, and get back to me.
“These Asian students graduate high school with the knowledge of a singular truth. Even with few white people around, the racism still cuts so deep.”
Cry me a fucking river. Try being a white person (or black, Hispanic or Native American) and moving to “Asia”, and see how well you’re accepted. I’ve done that, and even as someone who can navigate the complex social protocols of the area I moved to, I was still treated like an unwanted outsider. But strangely enough, I didn’t spend too much time whining about “racism cutting so deep”. I understood that it was *I* who was causing the problem by inserting myself into a society that others had constructed. So I learned to defer to the majority, to preserve harmony. Too bad that lesson is missed by so many within America.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3334049&forum_id=2#31279709) |
Date: August 27th, 2016 5:25 PM Author: cream home
"they do not want their children measured against Asians during the critical four years of grades that will make up the bulk of college application materials."
Seems like a pretty rational move.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3334049&forum_id=2#31279866) |
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Date: August 29th, 2016 7:21 PM Author: Stubborn Federal Heaven
this is the core of the mental illness of these Asian Americans.
they basically love sucking cumskin feet even though cumskins don't even view them as humans.
Asian Americans are truly pathetic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3334049&forum_id=2#31293289) |
Date: August 27th, 2016 6:55 PM Author: Crystalline halford
First, fukk USA whites, they are just inherently racist
Second, the bitch author doesn't get at the real issue, US whites are use to white privilege, they are use to a system and society that caters to whites so they dont have to work that hard or go out of their way to suceed, they get shit cause they are white. Most of these boomers grew up in that system when blacks were oppressed. Now they have Asians to compete with and it destroys their white privilege.
Suddenly the meritocracy that they always used as a whip against niggas to say blacks were shit cause they were lazy and could not compete is shitting on their own faces. Instead of telling their kids to fuking stop being bitches playin video games and smoking pot they instead blame the "other" and move to the next white suburb where they hope their precious loser Johnny can survive with his other retard white classmates.
Fuck Amerikkka, its shit like this that proves the prob in this country is cumskins, not anyone else. Its cumskins being racist entitled piles of trash. Why dont they learn to be civilized human beings instead of such racist lazy fucking trash? JFC
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Date: August 27th, 2016 10:30 PM Author: vivacious locus selfie
lol @ this flame
Chinese/Koreans would still give up an arm to emigrate to US. thousands come here illegally
Japan yes
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Date: September 14th, 2016 2:37 PM Author: Razzmatazz parlor international law enforcement agency
japan - relatively clean and quite lovely and livable.
hk - barely livable, but ok.
china, korea - wealthier but lol you will literally get cancer from the contaminated food, water and air within a year of living their. will develop asthma by day 1 from air population.
other asian cities - l, o, l.
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Date: August 28th, 2016 12:53 AM Author: jet-lagged vengeful plaza laser beams
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
Little attention is given to the fact that Asians must earn anywhere from 50 to 140 points higher on the SAT to have an equal chance at college admission as whites.
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Date: August 28th, 2016 1:05 PM Author: Flesh Alcoholic Public Bath Place Of Business
I think there's a urban-suburban divide here. Generally speaking, I think people who live in the burbs deliberately do so to avoid urban diversity, in addition to the economic reasons (high taxes, high COL, etc.). Because suburbs tend to be much more monolithic, there is a culture shock when immigrants move in over a fairly short time period. Then, when it results in increased academic competition, the parents will feel concern. I don't think that makes them racist. In contrast, us urban professionals thrive on racial diversity; amongst this group, what matters much more than race is education, class, job, and urban tastes.
A lot of Trump's support comes from not economic resentment or racism per se but this sense of cultural and social nostalgia, whereby one dreams of an America that was monolithic and where things were just a lot easier. Trump supporters look back fondly to say the 1950's when everyone shared the same background and values and one can work at a factory for years while providing a great living to his family. It is precisely the combination of technological progress, immigration from non-European countries, and increased competition for good jobs, that have resulted in a lot of discontent with the status quo. As much as I despise Trump and think my fellow Republicans made an EPIC debacle of historic proportion in nominating him, I TOTALLY get why a lot of people support him. And I think liberals should at least try to show some empathy towards them to better understand why they feel this way rather than dismissing their concerns as racism and xenophobia.
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Date: August 29th, 2016 1:25 PM Author: marvelous chapel
I'm all for being smart and working hard, but there's always a line that crosses into mental illness.
Lyle McDonald wrote a great (and LONG) piece on why the USA sucks at Olympic weightlifting.
One of his reasons is because of how weightlifting is trained in other countries, which he illustrated using Bulgaria as an example. Bulgaria has been a highly successful country in O-lifting.
Of course, what Bulgaria essentially does, is hand pick tons of kids with great aptitude in the sport, dope them up, and train them non-stop. This has two results. First, TONS of lifters get BTFO and can never lift again, because of a combination of drugs and overtraining. Second, those who survive, tend to be outstanding lifters. Bulgaria doesn't really care about the 90%, because for them it's not about how many lifters are wrecked, but how many medals they win at the Olympics from a small pool of athletes.
The USA, of course, is completely different in its training approach.
I don't necessarily see why it's per se hypocritical for suburban whites to want safe, academic-oriented schools, on the one hand, but eschew schools that have tons of mentally-ill strivers, on the other hand. I certainly think it's reasonable for parents to want their kids to study and learn, but also for them to opt out of the studying arms race.
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Date: August 29th, 2016 1:41 PM Author: Dashing chestnut blood rage circlehead
1. It's often not that the kids are driven. It comes from up top (and usually heavily from the mom).
2. It's the entire culture that it brings when 25-75% of a student body is just memorizing the shit out of things, and going to after-school tutoring to get a leg up.
3. It hurts athletics, dating, goofing off, sleepovers with friends, and the other normal parts of being a kid that are completely lost on the study-study-study people.
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Date: September 14th, 2016 1:32 PM Author: Trip house
Dear white liberals,
I am going to pervert the term "diversity" and define it in a narrow self-serving way, and then accuse you of being hypocritical when you act contrary to my narrow, self-serving definition.
Sincerely,
White conservatives and asian pseudo-liberals.
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Date: September 14th, 2016 2:56 PM Author: At-the-ready Swashbuckling Therapy Church
I've seen this happen to a certain extent to my childhood community and nearby communities as well and while there is an element of xenophobia involved, it's perfectly understandable. We had a neighboring HS known for its large Asian and Indian population ~40-50% but it also had a significant white population too. Their school had a prestigious magnet program that my parents tried to force me to go to and I had other middle school friends whose parents forced them to attend. Luckily, I didn't go but my friends that did went for 1 year had 8 hrs of homework freshman year and came back to my HS completely burnt out. They weren't even white but complained about striver asians and how miserable it was.
I'm Asian, and even I wouldn't want myself or my kids to be surrounded entirely by Asians. I wouldn't really want a monolithic culture either. As much shit as multiculturalism gets on this board, that's the ideal learning environment. You want your kids to be exposed to different people of different backgrounds so they don't grow up ignorant. For some reason, XO equates multiculturalism with violent, low IQ minorities or robotic, high-achieving Asians. The problem is when you get too many Asians, hispanics or blacks. Then your nice little white kid gets marginalized. the same thing happens to a minority in an all-white school. the happy medium is when there is a significant number of each group to prevent the marginalization of any one.
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