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Date: May 28th, 2004 9:52 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour can some of you rising 3Ls (and 2Ls if you have it already) post some of the GPA and class ranking cut-offs that firms submitted to your schools? Just curious to see the differences between schools.
e.g, One firm might come to GW and say "top 10% preferred" but when they interview at Georgetown ask for "top 20% preferred" etc.
Thought it would be good info to check out, thanks. |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 10:01 PM Author: grizzly puppy you ask an intelligent question. i would post my school's list but I only have it on hard copy. Maybe someone else's school e-mails it so they can post it, but not mine.
But I can tell you generally that I have seen my friends' OCI lists and it is true that a firm like Skadden would only want a preferred top 5% from a school like Cardozo, but would dip lower, say top 15% preferred from a school like GULC, as you mentioned. |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:24 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586552) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:29 PM Author: mind-boggling aquamarine locus depends on the school.. i was talking w/ a hiring partner at LW today about hastings... he said they recruit top 10% from there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586576) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:29 PM Author: grizzly puppy these "majority" of 125K firms you speak of should be clarified as Cali biglaw.
NYC and DC biglaw would not hire 3.0 GPA's for their biglaw branches, but I can see Cali doing so since UCLA is most respected in its home state. |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:30 PM Author: mind-boggling aquamarine locus it depend on the school...see above (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586586) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:31 PM Author: grizzly puppy i was responding to the guy who goes to UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586594) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:33 PM Author: mind-boggling aquamarine locus oh, my bad..i guess reading is fundamental (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586611) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:34 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586619) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:39 PM Author: grizzly puppy i see what you're saying, but truth be told, I think it's highly unlikely that a Latham will take a UCLA kid who only has a 3.3 for its NYC office. They are taking kids from NYU, Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, Fordham, BU, UMich, Cornell, UVA (these are the main schools that 2L summers come from at most NYC mid-level Vault firms) with 3.3's so it would be tough to squeeze in from UCLA unless you have something extraordinary. Not because UCLA is a lower school, but because of the sheer low number of 2L summer spots available (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586643) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:52 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586740) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:34 PM Author: grizzly puppy I concur with you on the law review thing, but note that most schools have strict grade requirements for making law review. For example, many can grade on, but those who can "write-on" HAVE to be in the top 20 or 25% of the class.
Whereas at a school like Umich, theoretically, ANYONE can make law review because you are judged ENTIRELY on the writing comp and without them even looking at your grades for the most part. Thus, in principle, a kid in the bottom 50% of the class can make law review at Michigan whereas my friends at Brooklyn, Cardozo, Fordham, etc. cannot. |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:36 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586627) |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:41 PM Author: grizzly puppy yeah, that is good for the kid who screwed up on finals but is a great writer when he/she has 7 days to work on something...but TERRIBLE for kids who spent so much time studying for finals and did extremely well, but are then burnt out come writing competition time.
Also bad because many do break the honor code system and get their law review friends at other schools to help them blue-book. Thus (for example), the kid who has a 2.9 GPA can just ask his cousin who is editor of the Columbia Law Review to tighten up his blue-booking, and sadly, no one would ever find out. |
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Date: May 28th, 2004 11:54 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586756) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 11:11 AM Author: Lascivious friendly grandma GW is almost all top 25% or 33%. Literally almost everyone of them. I would post it, but it is not one list so it would take all day to click and post each one. There are a few that say top 50% or 3.0 required, but those are rare. I think one was top 15% (maybe a few more), but I don't remember which one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3047145) |
Date: May 28th, 2004 11:39 PM Author: saffron stage kitty Do they make GPA adjustments for URMs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#586644) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:22 AM Author: grizzly puppy Good question. The general response I have heard is that firms are reluctant to do this and thus do not, but will allow you to have the benefit of the doubt if say you are black and had a 3.3GPA and the white guy had a 3.38 or something very close, all else being equal.
Firms take grades very seriously and while they do want diversity, they do not want it at the risk of taking law students who fall below their requirements. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:35 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park This is true to some extent, but several big firms have tactics around this. Statistically, URMs have lower law school GPAs than non-URM (perhaps a correlation to their lower LSAT scores?). Yet firms also desire to have a diverse work environment.
To counteract this, some firms offer URM "scholarships" which are basically special summer associate positions open only to URMs. They offer these positions at "minority law fairs" or through promoting them to a school's student-based minority organizations. These positions pay just as much as regular summer associate positions ($2400/week) but the standards for acceptance are much lower. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:37 AM Author: grizzly puppy are you talking about the BLSA Job Fair held in NYC every year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#587023) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:38 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park That fair, as well as Howard's recruitment fair, as well as school-specific minority fairs.
For instance, Kirkland and Ellis had a special dinner for all of the students at my school who were in BLSA or La Raza (a latino student organization), and promoted a summer associate position to "qualified" minority applicants because they were seeking to promote further cultural diversity within the firm. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:42 AM Author: grizzly puppy I actually asked a few firms about the BLSA Job Fair last month because I was curious to see how many kids get jobs from there and I got a surprising off the record answer from all 4 that I asked.
They said that for the most part, they don't really take anyone from these minority job fairs - at most 1 every 2 or 3 years. They go because on their NALP directory form, they can write that they are "committed to diversity" and that they "participate in diversity recruitment." Think about it - no one ever said they HAD to hire from these places, just that they participate in them. It's smart on the firm's end cuz they seem committed to achieving diversity and pro-affirmitive action, but if you look beyond the surface and ask how many they actually took from the BLSA Job Fair, you'll see most go year after year without selecting any. And when they do select someone, that person would have likely gotten an offer through the regular OCI process anyway. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:48 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Magenta Trailer Park I dont doubt that they dont select many (if any) people from these fairs. I do however think that you are underestimating these firms' committment to diversity. The minority scholarships I speak of never needed to be created at all unless the firms genuinely had an interest in hiring at least 1 minority in a given year. However, i do concede that since the scholarships are left up to the discretion of the firm (which means they might easily find no minorities are "qualified" to fill the scholarship), none may be hired from year-to-year, but the existence of such a recycling scholarship purports to give the firm an artificial "committment to diversity". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#587098) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 6:24 AM Author: well-lubricated racy striped hyena Subject: my fity cents URMs are actually necessary if the firm deals with the government which is full of URMs, so many firms actually do need minorities and are benefited. Basically a black attorney is better at dealing with a black govenment official and this racism needs to be counteracted or taken advantage of by hiring URMs. I have known some URMs with low GPA's getting call backs from good firms. Don't know if they got jobs though. My basic point is that affirmative action is alive and well till the rest of your life, including in the competiiton for a partner or maybe a better place at the cemetery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588267) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 10:38 AM Author: unhinged floppy sanctuary I think there were only one or two that asked for top 10%.
And there were a bunch that asked for top 20%, including firms I got offers from. I was nowhere near top 20%. And anybody looking at my transcript would have known that. So in some cases, even those that did say "top 20%" didn't necessarily require it.
But a large majority of firms said nothing. Doesn't mean that they didn't have very rigid cutoffs in some cases. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 11:04 AM Author: Clear razzle-dazzle lay dragon i spoke with an attorney recruiter at the firm i work for and she said for nyu and michigan the cutoff is B+. for cardozo, brooklyn and fordham they look for top 10-15%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588461) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 11:06 AM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy there are ten firms that have a b+/a- cutoff or law review at NYU.
about another 25, you need a 3.2.
the rest you just need above a 3. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:38 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria is 3.0 bottom quarter?
is 3.2 median or top 1/3? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 10:57 AM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy I actually have a last of the top 50 law firms and what the median GPA's necessary from my firm has been necessary to get hired over the past 4 years.
however I promised not to send it out, and I wont. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:27 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour you don't have to send out the list, but can you take a look at it and give me a general idea of what gpa is needed at northwestern, cornell, and georgetown for new york firms? are they all the same? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588546) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:28 PM Author: Stimulating Misunderstood Turdskin Hissy Fit Wow, that sentence was spectacularly bad although I think I know what you mean. Why do people say they have shit if they're not willing to share? You stink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588547) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 1:14 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy its because I am asian and do not have the grasp of the english language necessary to suceed in law school. and yes I am an asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588614) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 8:15 PM Author: slimy autistic lettuce feces 174. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589636) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 12:37 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria Booooooooooooooooooo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588551) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 1:15 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy they dont keep statistics like this at columbia?
I assume its the same.
funny thing is, not all of the vault 10 are the ones that are gpA whores. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:14 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria if they did, nobody told us.
i know the curve is harsher there so is 3.0 median there? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:16 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy no, like 60% get straight B's or below.
I would say the median GPA is probably 3.12-3.15.
we get much less A's but quite a few B+. very few B- and below.
Does anyone get C's or B- at columbia? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:18 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria okay, so extrapolating what you wrote above, i guess it's fair to say "only" about 30 firms care whether or not a student is in the top half of the class at nyu?
It's like 8% B-'s and below here, very few C's. Median is probably 3.2 |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:24 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy I would say thats correct. Maybe 30 firms care about decent grades, the next 30 only care if you grades are horrible.
so you guys split B's and B+'s pretty evenly? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:27 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria I believe so, maybe a few more B+'s than B's. Basically somebody probably needs to be a really real dolt to get a C or forget to show up to the exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588847) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:17 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour did you see my question? please respond if u can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588821) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:26 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy sorry, I only have the information for my school and the top 100 firms. the stats were compilled by our career services. I would say columbia has the same cut offs, and some other top schools are marginally better and worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588842) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 1:58 PM Author: saffron stage kitty Career services told us that grades don't matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588759) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:15 PM Author: Awkward silver associate location Where are you going? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588814) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:31 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria either Yale or a school with a career services staff who aren't telling the whole truth and/or are dolts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588859) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:32 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy or more likely a TTT where you cant get a fucking job whatever your grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:47 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour Anyone know the GPA cut-offs for Wachtell, Skadden, Proskauer, or King & Spalding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588911) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:49 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria very high for the first, not nearly as high for the last 3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588923) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 2:51 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour can you give specifics? 3.6 for Wachtell but 3.3 for the other 3, is that accurate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588930) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:10 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy thats reasonable actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#588983) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:12 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria the last 3 are pretty selective then.
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Date: May 30th, 2004 12:59 AM Author: saffron stage kitty what class rank is 3.6? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#590641) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 8:18 AM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria after first year at columbia, my educated guess would be top 15% or higher.
since nyu has a harsher curve, probably top 10% there. |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 12:17 PM Author: saffron stage kitty Wow, why does NYU have such a harsh curve? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#591691) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 3:40 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria I don't know. The absolute numbers don't matter except maybe to employers who are unfamiliar with the curves, generally employers that very few students from nyu would be interested in anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#592122) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 12:58 AM Author: saffron stage kitty hehe. that made me lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#590638) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 12:22 PM Author: Awkward silver associate location That was my thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#591704) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:46 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw GPA cutoffs? Can someone clarify? I am assuming only a minority of firms have cutoffs; am I wrong? Also, how do they work -- they refuse to do interviews with a student who has a GPA below that cutoff?
My school (T14) has published a list of median GPAs given offers from certain firms, but no cutoffs. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:48 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour Subject: GirlWBLAP... that's awesome that your school has a list, do you mind helping out with the info then? do you go to either NU, Cornell, or GULC?
Either way, can you provide a sampling of some median gpa's of offers at firms (and which firms), as you mentioned you have in your post. that would be a great help |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:52 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw No, I don't go to any of those schools. I go to a comparable one though. I see that someone above didn't want to give out this information, but I don't see what the big deal is. However, the document is in PDF format, so I can't copy and paste anything. Are there any particular firms you are interested in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589073) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 3:59 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour do you mind e-mailing it to me? would that be ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589077) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:00 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw Sure thing. E-mail address? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589080) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:04 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour thank u, my e-mail is:
keepingitflowing2005@yahoo.com |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 6:14 PM Author: Boyish Theatre Subject: I'd like it to Hey Girl or Flowing, would you e-mail it to me:
herakleitusPR@yahoo.com
Thanks!
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:08 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy the reason is because firms get really pissed when they find out they are ranked according to selectivity and what grades you need.
4 years ago, someone told a skadden interviewer that career services said they werent very selective grades wise, skadden suddenly stopped taking students with below 3.3 at my school. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:11 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw I don't see what there is to get pissed about that. Obviously employers make the assumption that students with a higher GPA are better workers; so why can't students make the assumption that employers with students with better GPAs are better firms? If the quality of a firm is defined by the quality of its workers, I don't see what's so outlandish about that. Screw the law firms. Interestingly, Skadden was quick to comply with the ranking system. Whores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589092) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:12 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour youve got mail GirlWBLAP :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589095) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:19 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw I just replied :-) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589115) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:13 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria could i get a copy too? just to at least see the relative selectivities
ptbarnum666@yahoo.com |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:16 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour you know, when i asked you questions you didnt give me any specific info. you seem like the type that only reads info, and doesn't share. and besides, you go to columbia for god's sake, you don't need to compare anything.
Girl, it is your choice to send to him or not but he didnt seem too helpful to the rest of us. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:18 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria if columbia career services gave this info out i would've told you.
i did tell you that wachtell was obviously in a different league of selectivity than the other 3, i couldn't quantify the difference for you when i don't have hard data, y'know? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:21 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw Keepitflowing, I appreciate the input. I would not have given it to him anyway. PT, from what I understand, you are currently at school. You should just check out whatever career services has told you about your chances. It's not my object to satisfy curiosity. Plus, it doesn't seem you were too helpful with your own info.
EDIT: If you want to compare particular info about particular firms here on the board, that's fine. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:23 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria If I had info from my career services office why would I want your info at all?
I don't see how helpful I can be when I have no info at all.
All I have is a bidding list and who the most popular bidded firms are. Do you want that? |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:30 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw No, I do not want that.
You said you wanted to compare "relative selectivities." I assumed that meant you had similar information from your career services offices. Maybe you meant relative selectivities among law firms. I don't know. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:33 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria No, I meant that since you go to a different school, your cutoffs wouldn't necessarily be directly applicable to mine but I could see the relative selectivities among law firms from your list.
If I had a list from my own school, I would first of all share it which is why I booed Zoidberg above, and secondly I wouldn't be curious about other schools anyway. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:45 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw You know that I don't have cutoffs, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589182) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:50 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria medians are also good.
anything beats the nothing i have now. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:54 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw Beggars can't be choosers, eh? ;-)
You are a nice guy. I will send it to you. To anyone else who wants the list, no will do, sorry. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:56 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria thank you ;-) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589213) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:57 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw Email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589216) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 5:03 PM Author: Rebellious brindle telephone school cafeteria ptbarnum666@yahoo.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589227) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 6:09 PM Author: Claret base I'd love a copy of this list, rk982@yahoo.com, if you don't mind.
This is just to satisfy curiosity; on the other hand, I *am* usually helpful on this board. For what that's worth.
Oh, didn't read the whole thread. Never mind, I guess. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:21 PM Author: painfully honest locale really tough guy because it is not true that firms that take better GPAs are better firms.
If lets say Davis Polk took 3 people with 3.2 last year, and it gets out that they are less presitgious (which is not true) because they take students with under a 3.3, then for the next 5 years they wont take any students with under a 3.3.
And that will FUCKING SUCK for you when you have a 3.2 and are an otherwise awesome candidate. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:27 PM Author: Orange Stag Film Bbw "because it is not true that firms that take better GPAs are better firms."
I believe we should let students define for themselves what makes a good firm, and if they think what makes a firm good is people who excelled in law school (a reasonable belief) then they should be allowed to rank firms on that basis. It's better than ranking firms by salary, for God's sake. |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 4:29 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour i replied to your reply too just now :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589149) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 6:16 PM Author: Boyish Theatre Subject: Posted above... but I'd like a copy too, please:
herakleitusPR@yahoo.com
Thanks! |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 6:24 PM Author: grizzly puppy can't you fools read? the poster said it ain't being e-mailed to anyone else. damn, even when everything is spelled out you still see the stupid questions.
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Date: May 29th, 2004 9:01 PM Author: Boyish Theatre Subject: So I guess... you didn't do all that well on the reading comp. section, did you? In so far as it requires comprehension, along with the ability to see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589732) |
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Date: May 29th, 2004 8:07 PM Author: soggy galvanic partner Subject: not that i really want to go corporate but what about hls graduates? is there a cutoff at some firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#589625) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 12:57 PM Author: Beta Becky Half-breed Yes, there are cutoffs even for hls grads. That doesn't mean that people with grades on the lower end of the curve don't get good jobs, but the Career Services mantra that grades don't matter isn't true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#591756) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 3:37 PM Author: overrated passionate home Some GWU OCI cutoffs: Akin Gump-top 25% Jones Day-top 15%(3.5 min) Kirkland Ellis-top15%(3.3 min) Latham-top 10% (3.48 min) Shearman Sterling-top 10% (3.5) Skadden -top 10% |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 4:12 PM Author: saffron stage kitty wow how does anyone without good grades get a job there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#592193) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 4:15 PM Author: overrated passionate home Answer: they don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#592205) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 7:15 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour Regent - since you go to GW and are in the area, do you know if these cut-offs are much different than Georgetown's cut-offs? I'd think that if Jones Day wants top 15% from GW, perhaps they would want top 33% from Georgetown? Or is it not that big of a gap? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#592672) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 10:38 PM Author: overrated passionate home I assume they dig deeper at GULC, but I don't know any exact numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#593314) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 7:24 PM Author: Lascivious friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#592697) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 10:33 PM Author: overrated passionate home Not entirely true. I would say at school like GW you need to be in top 1/3 to get into BIGLAW. Few people could get these kinds of jobs with some luck/connections, but those are exceptions. I have to say that there are many jobs outside the biglaw and there are other ways of getting one's foot in the door besides OCI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#593301) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:22 AM Author: Honey-headed fragrant depressive great post, it's the raison d'etre for the t14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3046052) |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 7:04 PM Author: Coral aromatic tank parlour this must be strictly DC offices right?
What about NYC offices of these firms? Do you have nunbers for Proskauer, King & Spalding, Bingham, Cleary, Shutlz, and some other lower Vault 100 firms? |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 10:36 PM Author: overrated passionate home No, some are NY offices, they have the same requirements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#593308) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 11:19 AM Author: Lascivious friendly grandma Those GPA's don't jive with those cut-offs, so which do they want?
I guess I didn't look at Simplicity that close, I thought most of the firms were much lower. Is that all for the DC offices? |
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Date: May 30th, 2004 11:13 PM Author: saffron stage kitty Which firms absolutely or almost absolutely require law review? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#593388) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 12:47 AM Author: Talented point bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3045763) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:22 AM Author: Honey-headed fragrant depressive Subject: GULC OCI Stats http://www.law.georgetown.edu/career/documents/EmployerBook2004.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3046059) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:35 AM Author: avocado mewling range chad What is the median at GULC? B? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3046140) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:42 AM Author: Honey-headed fragrant depressive B/B+, ~3.16? aren't you at UVA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3046181) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:40 PM Author: avocado mewling range chad Yeah, so I'm just trying to compare. I'm about 0.4 above the median, but I guess your curves might be tighter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048019) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:47 PM Author: startled black woman legend What %? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048065) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:49 PM Author: avocado mewling range chad I'm definitely in the top 10%, but our school does publish these sorts of things.
EDIT: I do know that 0.2 above the median is top 25%. |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 2:01 AM Author: Opaque Indirect Expression Psychic GPA cutoffs are useless unless you have the information as to what GPA's actually got offers.
I know at my school (Vandy), Covington & Burling requires a 3.3 for an interview, but doesnt hire anyone who's not at the top of the class (3.7+). OTOH, King & Spalding "prefers a 3.3" but out of the 10+ summers they had last year from us, they had 3.2's to 3.7's (at least that I worked with).
Then there are a shitload of firms that either have no cutoff or say some shit like "require 3.0" which means that 80% of the class will try and sign up, even though a lot of those firms are looking for much better grades. Then there's always the gem, "prefer strong academic achievement." WTF does that mean?
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Date: June 18th, 2005 1:46 PM Author: startled black woman legend It probably means, "you'll know if you're going to get an offer or not." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048064) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 2:11 PM Author: Rose filthpig fanboi Almost all of ours are 3.3....a few 3.5
Most say Law Review is preferred |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 2:25 PM Author: Bistre wrinkle gas station UCLA is strict write-on for Law Review though, so is there that much correlation between grades and Law Review membership? If you have Law Review but not the grades, do you still have a shot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048323) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 4:45 PM Author: Rose filthpig fanboi I'm sure it helps a lot, but OCS is always stressing that we should stick to the GPA cutoffs and not bid for firms we don't have the GPA for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048932) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 2:27 PM Author: Motley Forum Codepig 3.3? And don't you have a 3.2 or so curve? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048334) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 4:46 PM Author: Rose filthpig fanboi how the heck do you find out what the curve is? I'd love to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048935) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 5:13 PM Author: wonderful property gunner This is the last year of our 3.0 curve, after which it will be higher (no more 20-60-20). We also have at this point (more firms will be added) a handful of 3.0 firms, a few 3.2s. Most are 3.3, I think O'Mel requires a 3.6. About half the class gets a big firm job, which isn't that bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3049051) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 2:30 PM Author: Talented point So the GULC career office says 60-75% get jobs through OCI. Is the B+ requirement of most firms just BS or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048352) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 4:43 PM Author: free-loading menage pisswyrm No, there are probably just a lot of mid-size firms that hire through OCI as well, and don't require as high of a gpa as the big firms do. I get the sense that is the case at GW at least, because career services says something like 50% get jobs through OCI (and most of the higher-ranked big firms require top 25% or top 15%). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3048925) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 6:14 PM Author: Lascivious friendly grandma 50% go into private practice. 50% of those people is the top 25%. That is my theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3049457) |
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Date: June 18th, 2005 10:24 PM Author: Honey-headed fragrant depressive wrong, a bunch of the top 25% will be clerking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=36636&forum_id=2#3051799) |