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does anyone take Michigan at all seriously these days?
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Date: March 10th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: mind-boggling sticky range First, they ding Earl; then they ding me. Any stronger evidence of a school in decline? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5305236) |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: fishy talking ape resort I don't take it seriously. Occasionally as I am walking to class or just sitting in a class, I laugh at the absurdity of my circumstances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5305708) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 3:05 PM Author: Pearl Idiot Jap if you're willing to answer, could you name a complaint or two with the school? I tried to pull one out of a couple of different people, but it was like if someone asks you for your weaknesses and you say you're a perfectionist (or something along that line). Any complaints you're willing to cough up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5309652) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 3:58 PM Author: Marvelous stock car dragon There are few complaints because most students love the school.
My primary complaint is with admissions; we should never be ranked below #7. There are two components to that problem. First, the 25% in-state requirement: There are far too many Michigan undergrads here with 165 LSAT's. Second, I think too much scholarship money is allocated to attracting “qualified” minority students. That money should be used to attract students who will raise the median LSAT (which is, of course, a proxy for intelligence at the higher end of the class). We don't need to "buy" blacks who scored 160’s – blacks with 155’s are just as good (bad). |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:00 PM Author: Crusty Curious Ticket Booth I think those are fair comments, and I'm definitely one of those people who loves the school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5309962) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:20 PM Author: Marvelous stock car dragon Michigan at least needs to recognize that most of the schools ranked proximate to us have very small classes and micromanage admissions using money and high-LSAT splitters to fill the top half their classes and maintain 170 medians. These schools are, of course, Penn, NW, Chicago.
We ignore the rankings to our own demise. |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:35 PM Author: beady-eyed duck-like black woman #8 isn't such a horrible place to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5310183) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:44 PM Author: judgmental glassy weed whacker at least for 3 more weeks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318159) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: bat shit crazy histrionic principal's office sound barrier lsat selectivity is not why penn slipped past us in us news.
though i agree that URMs get way too much fucking money, at the expense of students with more need. but the difference between a 161 and a 155 is pretty fucking big, and it is reasonable to try to maintain something resembling t14 quality throughout the student body.
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:15 PM Author: Tan messiness my complaints: the admin's attitude toward alcohol (and everything else social for that matter) is ridiculously paternal...the wireless policy, the huge emphasis on wishy-washy international law bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5310054) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:25 PM Author: Marvelous stock car dragon Yeah, those policies are bothersome. But those stances should be expected from such a far left administration. At least there is not an explicit speech code. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5310119) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:30 PM Author: razzle dingle berry The left hates drinking now? Why hast thou forsaken us, Teddy K?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5310141) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:36 PM Author: beady-eyed duck-like black woman I think his point is that liberals tend to be paternalistic. But when it comes to drugs, conservatives are clearly generally more paternalistic than libs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5310193) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:44 PM Author: Marvelous stock car dragon These individuals are way left and for some reason the far left becomes paternalistic when exercising power and promoting values like "inclusion."
The argument for the policy is that because certain individuals abuse alcohol, the prudent course is to ban alcohol entirely. Only then will the school provide students struggling with alcohol abuse a supportive atmosphere with limited temptation. |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 8:49 PM Author: Tan messiness Subject: i dont know about that, sometimes lefties==pussies and ppl who dont drink are either religious zealots or pussy hippie-types who would rather debate intellectual topics while sober (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5311910) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 4:53 PM Author: Crusty Curious Ticket Booth I've never been bothered by the internet policy since it's left up to the individual professors (and since I tend to prefer class discussions where it's not just two or three people talking). I'm obviously aware that some people see this differently, though.
I do agree that allowing alcohol at events would be a good thing. I think a Friday-afternoon beer mixer in the quad would be great fun during non-winter months. |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:13 PM Author: fishy talking ape resort Sorry I didn't reply to this; I just assumed my post would not get any serious responses and so I haven't checked the board in a while. No law school is perfect (and by the way, most people who say they're perfectionists probably aren't, and so if someone tells you they're a perfectionist, just pretend they told you they're a liar and/or stupid). As for complaints about Michigan, the most obvious one is that we do not have access to wireless internet during any time we are scheduled to be in any law class. Another complaint I have is that I have heard of people being allowed extra time on exams, and then jumping from like a 2.7 GPA to a 3.7 GPA, because of a diagnosis of learning disability that was made after a first semester of bad grades. (This is not just third-hand gossip, because in some cases the relevant info came from the student him/herself.) In that sense I think the administration is too lenient; but on the other hand they're just trying to be nice to students. And obviously the weather is a bitch in the winter. Any other questions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5360917) |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:16 PM Author: Spectacular step-uncle's house I guess one complaint I have that's unique to Michigan is that our 1L median (3.19) is lower than at some peer schools. But this doesn't really seem to have hurt us too much on the job market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5360954) |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:19 PM Author: fishy talking ape resort I agree that our relatively lower median is very shitty. At the same time I know people below the median who got numerous offers in top markets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5360970) |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:21 PM Author: Spectacular step-uncle's house Yeah, I got a few excellent offers despite being around the median. It would just be cooler to look at your transcript and see 3.3 rather than 3.19. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5360983) |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:28 PM Author: fishy talking ape resort Concur.
The only type of student who I could think would be opposed to raising the median (to be equal to other schools) is the type of student who really wants to stand out in terms of his/her grades being faaaaaaar above the median. But if a student is a real perfectionist, and has grand ambitions, there are other, more productive/meaningful ways to make him/her stand out. |
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Date: March 10th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: Balding scarlet abode Well, they could have accepted you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5305715) |
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Date: March 11th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Appetizing stage I love Michigan as well, but I agree with the Admissions stuff...I am glad someone articulated that because it has bothered me as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5311697) |
Date: March 11th, 2006 8:42 PM Author: Spectacular step-uncle's house Thousands of employers take Michigan plenty seriously, as do the many judges giving Michigan students clerkships, the peer schools hiring Michigan grads for faculty positions, etc. I'm generally happy here. I guess one complaint would be that a few of the professors don't seem to care enough about teaching, but I suppose this is a problem with any 'elite' law school. The only thing that bothers me about the admissions is the 25% in-state requirement, especially considering that the amount of money the school gets from Lansing is insignificant. But the other factors identified elsewhere on this thread that supposedly hurt our USNews ranking (like our slightly lower medians) don't bother me, especially since they don't seem to have an effect on our prestige in the legal community and the fact that Michigan often rejects applicants that are admitted to higher ranked numbers-whoring schools (like NYU). |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 2:59 PM Author: Pearl Idiot Jap the alcohol complaints/situations are interesting since they serve alcohol at admit weekends...though that's probably just to lure students.
could any of you describe the academic environment? (other than friendly, is there still a strong intellectual piece to it all?) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:03 PM Author: razzle dingle berry "the alcohol complaints/situations are interesting since they serve alcohol at admit weekends...though that's probably just to lure students." Exactly. That's what's particularly fucked up about it. Wait until orientation when they send you into the heart of Detroit to clean up hypodermic needles and pull weeds all day. You come back for a BBQ in the quad...all the Diet Soda you can drink. Welcome to UMich! |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:31 PM Author: cocky blue location depressive you had that much of a problem with volunteering? jeez, chill dude, we went to clean up a park in detroit - it was easy, laid-back, they gave us food, i had soda filled with sugar, and we met a ton of people...or at least i did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318044) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:34 PM Author: razzle dingle berry "volunteering." It's not so much volunteering when they make you do it. Why do I need to chill? What is with some of you people? Do you get kickbacks from the admissions office? I think it's really swell that they gave us sandwiches and sodas! Also, the weather's not bad at all!!! |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:37 PM Author: cocky blue location depressive you didnt have to go - but you did - no one was forcing you
my point is that it was a nice thing for the class to do together, i think most schools probably have a volunteer day or something similar
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:39 PM Author: razzle dingle berry That's just not true. They tell you it's manadatory. Yes, it's true that you won't get expelled if you sleep in, but when it's your second day on campus, you don't really know what the consequences are. It's a "service" day, not a volunteer day. My point is that most schools who do it also treat you with enough respect to let you have a beer at the end of the day. Troll on. Michigan is perfect. |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:42 PM Author: cocky blue location depressive consequences? arent you at least 22? didnt you realize nothing would happen and no one would give a shit?
so your only problem is that you werent given a beer at the end - maybe you should email the dean.
call this what you want, but trolling is just as bad as bitching |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:43 PM Author: razzle dingle berry Did you even bother to read the fucking thread? Yes, that's what was being discussed - the alcohol policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318147) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:43 PM Author: Bronze address internal respiration I met three of my best friends here on that day, plus I thought it was a good way to help people out -- forced or not.
Having a service day does not make for a bad school. |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:44 PM Author: razzle dingle berry Jesus Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318161) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:56 PM Author: Kink-friendly Bespoke Sandwich Public Bath lol. rough day for planet douche on xoxo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318278) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:58 PM Author: razzle dingle berry No shit. I feel like I can't say a positive thing about this place for months to compensate for the elevated trolling level around here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318294) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 4:07 PM Author: Kink-friendly Bespoke Sandwich Public Bath well i don't know about you but i got to throw cornmeal and old cans of condensed milk into boxes for half an hour to go to the poor. then we ate lunch and went home. i think we had the laziest of all service groups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318377) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:34 PM Author: Aqua Mental Disorder Church I sure as hell don't after reading a tribune article about how urban land in inner-city detroit is being rezoned for agricultural use. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318064) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:41 PM Author: Contagious Indigo Locale compare the situation to boalt, and mich's admit and mgmt staff look like geniuses. it could be much, much worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5318130) |
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Date: March 12th, 2006 3:44 PM Author: vivacious property No one asked me, but here are my problems with UMich:
1. It's in Michigan. 2. It's in Ann Arbor. 3. They offered me a laughable financial aid package. |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 8:54 PM Author: Cobalt corner I buy 1 and 3, but Ann Arbor is about 5 times as prestigious as anywhere else in Michigan. You could be in Flint, East Lansing, Traverse City, Southfield or some other toilet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5329795) |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 7:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle bright digit ratio Subject: Why everyone gotta be dissing Mich. Why does everyone have to diss Michigan? It's got around ~70% employment rate for private firms w/ ~50-55% gonig to firm sizes of 500+. True it isn't located in the legal mecca of the country and yet it does quite well placing students, now and in the past.
Look at all the other school ranked w/Michigan: Chicago, Northwestern, Penn, Virignia, weather wise, they're all the same, except Virginia. Placement wise, pretty much the same, but we all know what NU does when u can't find a job.
I really wish these school would post job placements and break downs of firms like Michigan does....then we can put all this talk to rest. |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 8:46 PM Author: supple maroon main people The only schools to ding me were Harvard, Stanford, and Michigan.
Proof that Michigan is elite. |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:38 PM Author: judgmental glassy weed whacker yield protect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5330135) |
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Date: March 18th, 2006 11:58 AM Author: supple maroon main people Yeah, HLS knew I'd pick Chicago anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5366750) |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:05 PM Author: Mauve impressive orchestra pit yarmulke Subject: Weather? I'm surprised no one's mentioned this. I've never seen snow and cold weather for me is a windy 50 degree day. I don't even own a jacket or a coat!
I think I'd fail out of Michigan because I'd never be able to convince myself that getting out of bed and walking through the cold to get to class would be worth it. Does anyone at Michigan who wasn't used to the weather have anything to say about this? |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:07 PM Author: diverse boistinker stay in the lawyer's club or whatever the dorm is called and i think it's pretty close to your classes.
the thing i envy you michigan folks for most is the lawyer's club and the dining facilities. |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:30 PM Author: supple maroon main people I don't envy anyone who doesn't have their own bathroom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5330082) |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:38 PM Author: diverse boistinker well, at least you don't have to clean it yourself.
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:42 PM Author: Kink-friendly Bespoke Sandwich Public Bath not having to do dishes is also nice.
but i agree that communal bathrooms are annoying...and the shower stalls are teensy. |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:11 PM Author: Kink-friendly Bespoke Sandwich Public Bath you'd be fine. there's tons of california people at school here who get used to it quickly. nobody likes it, but nobody just shivers in bed all day. and the lawyer's club is less than 100 yards from class, which is nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5329912) |
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Date: March 13th, 2006 9:40 PM Author: Excitant Wild Hospital Laser Beams I didn't own a warm jacket before coming here either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5330152) |
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Date: March 18th, 2006 11:27 AM Author: titillating primrose institution wagecucks I grew up in southern California and was pretty intimidated with the thought of a Michigan winter. Here I am three years later and it's just a part of life. You get a good fleece, some long sleeve shirts and learn how to tie a scarf. It's that simple. Yes, really cold days suck, but the cool thing is tha the town is designed to offer a ton of warm places to go and shelter from the cold. It's actually kind of cool, and I ended up really enjoying the change of seasons. That's sort of cliche, I guess, but it really grew on me.
About the only really sucky part of Michigan's weather is that winter lasts really long. It's not uncommon to have a sudden cold snap in April that brings temps back to freezing. But that's the worst part of it. the actual cold isn't that bad. |
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Date: March 18th, 2006 11:45 AM Author: Mauve impressive orchestra pit yarmulke Good to hear. Now if I can just be admitted... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5366699) |
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Date: March 14th, 2006 12:54 AM Author: cordovan milk Well, they let me in (non-resident). So no, I cannot take them seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5331990) |
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Date: March 17th, 2006 4:14 PM Author: Effete Metal Affirmative Action Church Building considering my acceptance, no, no one should take them seriously. whatthefuckweretheythinkingpwn3d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=376990&forum_id=2#5360934) |