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poor trumpmos (i.e., most of you) - what has Trump done for u so far?
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:33 AM Author: hot gaming laptop milk he gave tax cuts that won't benefit poors like you.
other than call some countries you probably hate "shitholes" has he done anything for you? or did he just cuck on immigration, your one true concern. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:35 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I think most of them delight in the mayhem he leaves in his wake. When you're disaffected, kicking the anthill is its own reward. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138009) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:43 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria Not a cpa, but trump won voters that actually pay taxes. Wouldn't you think that group would benefit from tax cuts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138039) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:45 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home The tax bill isn't perceived as a win for the vast majority of voters. Even if they experience a cut in real terms, the bill is going to be measured versus perceptions of relative gains. Pandering to the top bracket, jet owners and corporations was a YUGE mistake. Impossible to effectively market it.
I've got a certain respect for them fucking blue states though. That was a particularly cynical piece of work. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:48 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria Booming economy + lower taxes = disaffected voters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138056) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:23 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I don't think the tax bill disaffects them, I just don't think it'll be much of a motivating factor in getting people to vote.
I'd say things like immigration, trade policy, feelings of security, will have a much larger impact. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:26 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria Typically people vote with their wallet. It would be almost unprecedented otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138184) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:28 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I dont think the tax cut delivered enough for it to be a meaningful motivator.
Agree that if the economy is crushing it in 2020 that it would be a powerful motivator. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:57 AM Author: Brass house-broken pisswyrm brunch have to admit - you are a really good troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138084) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:00 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria Fma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138091) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:44 AM Author: Brass house-broken pisswyrm brunch quick: what income groups did Hillary win?
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:47 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I imagine the lower ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138054) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria You imagine? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138060) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:51 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I haven't looked at it. He wanted a quick response so I gave him one.
I figured it might be a toss up for low-middle given Trump's performance w/ working class whites but I really don't know how it all breaks out. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:55 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria In addition to the over 50k crowd he also pulled college educated whites. Trump literally represents the people that pay for our government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138080) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:00 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home That's not much different than any other republican. Trump's path to the presidency was in his ability to combine the moneyed class with disaffected working class. If you're going to give away $1.4 trillion dollars in his position, you're way better off allocating more of that to the lower brackets. He essentially accepted an establishment tax bill as is -- there's nothing economic nationalist about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138090) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:51 AM Author: Brass house-broken pisswyrm brunch answer: She ONLY won ppl making < 50K
Trump won every other income group. so the idea that Trumpmos are mostly poor is lulzy
also Trump has definitely touched millions of american lives in a positive way - tax cuts, better economy, reduced foreign intervention etc
he is inarticulate on actual policy positions and is an insecure narcissist but you cant deny that his instincts on all big ticket items - china, radical islam, illegals, immigration, economy is better than what dems have to offer |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:56 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I don't think they're mostly poor, I just don't think they consider the tax bill a win for them. The lions share went to a small group. They aren't going to measure it in objective terms, just relative ones. The polling on the bill seems to indicate that -- maybe the repubs manage to change the narrative but it seems unlikely.
I think his positions are fundamentally unsound and short sighted, but I agree dems don't offer much by way of confidence. They've taken a humiliating defeat and done essentially no internal analysis or updating of any of their opinions to account for that fact.
Even if Trump were presenting better ideas, he's incapable of expressing them as policy objectives and he'll have a track record that undermines his arguments that he'll be effective as an executive. Losing Bannon was a major blow on that front. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:00 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria This is a fair assessment of the perception. Credit, let's call them the press, for the distortion. However, proof is in the pudding - jobs and fat tax return are hard to vote out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138089) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I think the press is magnifying something that's just a general process: people judge their gains by how they fare against others. It would have cost them very little to put the corporate tax rate at 25% and distribute the difference to the lower end by tripling the standard deduction.
The bill is almost as unpopular as ACA, which is astounding when you consider it is a tax cut.
Trump should have pushed the populism harder here. I wonder what Bannon thinks of it. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:09 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria I don't know the polling but overall it was a pretty moderate tax bill, especially for GOP controlling all the levers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138109) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:17 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home Yeah, I honestly think it was completely in line with what I'd expect for establishment repubs, which is why it rubs me the wrong way. I think Trump could have thumbed the scale for his constituency more -- if Bannon was around I assume there would have been more back and forth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138145) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:21 AM Author: Effete Azure Old Irish Cottage School Cafeteria Wouldn't be surprised if ending the inheritance tax was a primary catalyst for Trump's candidacy. And who could fault him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138165) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:27 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I generally think he didn't want or expect to win. It felt like a brand building exercise, which is completely in keeping with his character.
As much as I hate him, I do think he's a pretty valuable harbinger of things to come. You can't keep fucking people and not expect them to get pissed off at some point and do something drastic. At some point the folks in charge will need to recognize that we're in a catch-22 (embrace globalization and dominate economically at an enormous cost socially, or isolate via economic nationalism and get wrecked by opportunistic globalist states) and spend some time working out a new political order. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:02 AM Author: Brass house-broken pisswyrm brunch Media and DEMS force memed that it was a tax cut for the rich. but when ppl actually get their paychecks in feb and see the raise which is material for them (2K for a family making 80K is god send) DEM/media hitjob will completely fall apart
the idea that poor/middle class will care more about some unknown billionaire saving millions hypothetically rather than their own very helpful real 1K or 2K savings is idiocy
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:07 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home Possible outcome, but I'd bet against it. Broader polling on the generic ballot is all showing this thing is a dud. Maybe they turn it around, but it seems unlikely.
I don't really have a dog in the race here. The tax bill is what I'd expect establishment republicans to do -- it's bad policy in the mid and long term, but seems fine given their short term incentives. I honestly think they could have made it a huge win if they had focused less of the $ on the corporate rate. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:12 AM Author: Brass house-broken pisswyrm brunch as i said lets see what ppl think once they actually get their pay checks. so many of my friends making 300K including home owners in CA thought they were fucked and then did the tax calculator and saw that they came out slightly ahead bcos of AMT and rate adjustments
90% of the ppl will get tax cuts. so tax cuts will be positive for GOP. is it going to have negligible or significant positive impact is the only open question
my take - tax cuts wont matter either way that much. Economy and general trend of the country (optimism, national security situation) will be the dominant factor. then base enthusiasm and turnout. finally quality of candidates (GOP cant afford moore, arpaio etc).
these factors alone will determine 2018. every indicator (consumer confidence, state of country) indicates that ppl are generally feeling good
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:19 AM Author: razzle kink-friendly nursing home I don't see much to disagree with here. It's a reasonable position that I could see coming to pass -- though I do think there are many factors beyond those that you've listed that will play a role in 2018. However I think we probably can't advance the debate beyond this point. Time will tell and I wouldn't be shocked if you ended up correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138159) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:05 AM Author: beady-eyed fear-inspiring lodge boltzmann most of us are wealthy and successful you low iq minority twat
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: iridescent business firm He didn't cuck on immigration (yet). Travel ban is good
He put in some good judges Tax reform (removal of SALT is good, lower corporate tax rate is good, larger standard deduction is good)
Tougher with NK so far than others. Lets see how that goes. I think China and immigration will be big test cases for Trump this year to deliver. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: apoplectic plaza double fault http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article193665104.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138058) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: iridescent business firm the problem is the boarder crossers... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138069) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: apoplectic plaza double fault (guy shifting goal posts)
the problem is white collar Americans having difficulty getting and keeping good jobs |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:43 AM Author: abnormal organic girlfriend set kept us out of war in syria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138044) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: slippery stain making Libs irate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138059) |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: gold histrionic locus keepsake machete He’s given me endless entertainment. He’s triggered uppity libs who take this too seriously. He’s renegotiated some brutal Obama deals. He’s given a fuck you to political correctness. He’s created jobs. The stock market is thriving. I’m going to get a bigger tax refund. He’s triggered uppity libs who take this too seriously. He’s given a fuck you to political correctness. |
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Date: January 12th, 2018 2:28 AM Author: aromatic stage spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3856989&forum_id=2#35138190) |