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Fun Legal Hypo (Cutting In Line For Organ Transplant) - From TALMUD LAW Class
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Date: February 16th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den you're in need of a kidney transplant, and you're number whatever deep down on the waiting list. you don't really know exactly how long it's going to be until you get a transplant. you know a guy who can bump you to the top of the list and get you in right away for a transplant. is it permissible to you use connections to cut line to get the transplant?
NOTE: assume an official national system of organ donors / waiting list as in europe/israel, rather than some sort of free market / black market system.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Metal electric round eye fat ankles What criteria produce list placement? Time waited? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418607) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den it's not in the hypo, but why is that relevant? not an mfe on organ transplants; is it just time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418677) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Metal electric round eye fat ankles How the placement is determined matters as to the wrongness of skipping the people in front of you. If there is no basis for them being more deserving, much less problem skipping (if any) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418718) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den elaborate...
so if it's just time only, then it's less wrong to skip the line if you think you have a more urgent need?
if it's say time and the government's evaluation of your need, then what? |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Metal electric round eye fat ankles People who have been on the list longer may actually be MORE likely to die because of the damage they suffered while waiting.
The average net increase in lifespan from receiving the organ and the relationship to list placement is important to know. If this is longer for you than the average of those above you, it would be a strong justification to move up.
How fast the list moves, the damage done by waiting and other things about the list mat-
New Q: is there a single NIGGER ahead of you in the list? |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den how about we assume that the government/experts have thought through all this shit and has come up with a system that takes into account the various considerations. and there's some sort of grievance / appeal process where you can present your case if you think your need is better than they've set it. it's probably not a perfect system, but let's assume it's not corrupt and it's just a bunch of bureaucrats and govt doctors making honest evaluations.
the hypo assumes that you're way down on the list. you dont know exactly how long it's going to be. you dont know how long you can live without one. those are fair assumptions, i think.
by using connections, you'd literally jump up to #1 on the list.
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: razzle insane nursing home brethren isn't the only relevant question if we're going by the Torah whether you would be skipping any Jews ahead of you in the queue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418905) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den tbf this is israel, so they're all jews i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418909) |
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Date: February 16th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Costumed telephone business firm I've seen enough of your hypos to know that a Jew can cut in line so long as he's not cutting in front of other Jews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35418915) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: aggressive dun background story den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895041&forum_id=2#35438229) |