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MUNGER TOLLES MANAGING PARTNER DIES AT 58 W/ NEPHEW

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>>Ms. Seville-Jones is survived by her father Cliff, t...
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  04/25/19
Read this as "And she is mourned by her colleagues and ...
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  04/25/19
she made lots of money at munger tolles tho
Titillating Juggernaut
  04/25/19
xo's #tennis crew lost a good one >>She possessed a...
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Locked down legal engagements on the clay court; copped dat ...
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why's that an elephant in the room? not exactly unheard of t...
lake curious crackhouse cuckold
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obit says "complications from surgery"
Maize provocative theater shitlib
  04/25/19
not a c section i'm quite sure.
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I think she was interviewed by some mag a couple of years ag...
Histrionic round eye
  04/25/19
pics? ttt green clay or red clay imported from europe?
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  04/25/19
People with more $ than time often make this kind of wistful...
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I love tennis and spend hours on Xo poasting about it instea...
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Absolutely devastating
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  04/25/19
Of course you never know when a commercial grade tuna oven w...
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Great poast. I know a middle-aged ortho surgeon who has to ...
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Xo does this but with knives
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lulz. such my dad's O/U shotguns and boat he used to keep at...
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  04/26/19
Yep. I remember ridiculing her on this bort.
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  04/25/19
That's why lawyers should be into mechanical keyboards as a ...
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  04/26/19
Amazingly, here's an article about her from 1982. Seems like...
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  04/25/19
the child is father to the man
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Interesting. She actually was a perfect personality fit for ...
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What's important in this is that, beyond doubt, she advanced...
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comical bat-shit-crazy nursing home hissy fit
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*Other partners quickly dialing (and competing with each oth...
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this is not even parody
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Meow!
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What's a Munger Tolles?
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she was a high school debate GOD
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HUG --> UCLA JD LOL
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Maybe she moved to LA for her husband. Oh wait.
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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:00 AM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes

that she loved to spend time with

https://www.mto.com/lawyers/Sandra-A-Seville-Jones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138704)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:08 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

>>Ms. Seville-Jones is survived by her father Cliff, to whom she was devoted, and by her three siblings, Peter, Dawn and Dyan, and her nephew Derek, with whom she loved to spend time. And she is mourned by her colleagues and many dear friends who know they will find no one like her.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138721)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:19 AM
Author: silver fighting persian box office

Read this as "And she is mourned by her colleagues and many dear friends who know they will find no one liked her."

Then felt bad. :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140206)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:01 AM
Author: Titillating Juggernaut

she made lots of money at munger tolles tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138706)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:06 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

xo's #tennis crew lost a good one

>>She possessed an abiding love of competitive professional sports from tennis to basketball,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138716)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:06 AM
Author: Slap-happy cruise ship

Locked down legal engagements on the clay court; copped dat BBC on the hardwood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140106)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:07 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

wtf is this SJW shakedown op?

>>Under her leadership, the firm became one of the first to garner Mansfield Certification Plus, recognizing the significant representation of women and attorneys of color in leadership positions at the firm. She

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138717)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:14 AM
Author: Supple Mint Toaster

Gotta be fun ignoring the elephant in the room of a person with top healthcare at her disposal dying at 58. Amazing to me that the law community still ignores this, time for someone else to make money I guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138728)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:24 AM
Author: Titillating Juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138741)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:27 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

why's that an elephant in the room? not exactly unheard of that wealthy ppl in good shape and in apparent good health suddenly drop dead at 50+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138748)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 3:11 AM
Author: Maize provocative theater shitlib

obit says "complications from surgery"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138820)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 3:16 AM
Author: Titillating Juggernaut

not a c section i'm quite sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138826)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 3:17 AM
Author: Maize provocative theater shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38138828)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:26 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle canary pit



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Date: April 25th, 2019 3:07 AM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes



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Date: April 25th, 2019 10:36 AM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes



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Date: April 25th, 2019 10:38 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Carnelian Water Buffalo Boltzmann

Looks like a lipless reptile w/ shitgenes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38139890)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:11 AM
Author: Histrionic round eye

I think she was interviewed by some mag a couple of years ago for some "women and the law" spread. Maybe it was a different biglaw partner. She was xo catnip (divorced, no kids, worked 24/7, weathered unhealthy look). I just thought she was a really sad person. She had this big house that looked dark, empty, and unused. She had a clay tennis court in the back that was pristine and unused. The funny thing about it was that there wasn't enough space in the backyard (and it was sloped) so the short walls surrounding the court went almost to the boundary lines of the court. The court was basically for show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140142)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:15 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

pics? ttt green clay or red clay imported from europe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140167)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:17 AM
Author: bright know-it-all property

People with more $ than time often make this kind of wistful purchase. I love tennis, so I will have a tennis court. But it doesn't get used, because they don't actually love tennis, or at least they don't love it as much as they love the latest PPP numbers. You see the same thing with people buying commercial grade ovens, even though they order seamless 4x a week, and boomer partners buying $4,500 custom shop guitars that hang on the wall. It's a symbol of the kind of person they used to be, not the kind of person they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140186)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:18 AM
Author: Maize provocative theater shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140190)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:19 AM
Author: silver fighting persian box office



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:20 AM
Author: Histrionic round eye



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:54 AM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

I love tennis and spend hours on Xo poasting about it instead of making enough money to buy a court that I can't use :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140483)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:57 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle canary pit

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140496)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:02 PM
Author: underhanded scarlet multi-billionaire

Of course you never know when a commercial grade tuna oven will come in handy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140523)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:04 PM
Author: Iridescent Bearded Halford

Great poast. I know a middle-aged ortho surgeon who has to spend 10k per year, probably more, on custom guitars made by a small batch maker he's enamored with -- real "craftsman." And legitimately, the guitars are beautiful, intricate, handcrafted. He literally does hang them on the wall in a room down in his basement. I've asked him several times to play with me, just for fun, and he always demurs because he "doesn't have the time to practice" and "isn't good enough anymore." "Why do you buy the guitars then?" Because he's "building a collection." Maybe they'll put the guitars in his coffin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140530)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:07 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle canary pit



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Date: April 26th, 2019 12:51 AM
Author: ebony stag film

Xo does this but with knives

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38144525)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:09 PM
Author: diverse demanding elastic band corner



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:10 PM
Author: comical bat-shit-crazy nursing home hissy fit



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:51 PM
Author: fear-inspiring massive base

lulz. such my dad's O/U shotguns and boat he used to keep at Dana Point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38141089)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 2:30 PM
Author: Marvelous low-t institution



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:57 AM
Author: diverse demanding elastic band corner

Yep. I remember ridiculing her on this bort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140501)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 3:24 PM
Author: Crimson tattoo boistinker

That's why lawyers should be into mechanical keyboards as a hobby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38147285)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: zippy field hominid

Amazingly, here's an article about her from 1982. Seems like she was always going to end up like this.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1982/6/10/an-early-retirement-pfor-sandra-seville-jones/

For Sandra Seville-Jones, four years at Harvard have provided great swings of intensity, from fulltime dedication to high-level debating to disenchanted passivity with the College's size and impersonality.

Seville-Jones arrived at Harvard as a heralded public speaker who had been recruited, by schools across the country, known to the nation's large and dedicated circle of debaters for her "absolute, total commitment to the activity," according to Chris Wood '83.

"She was a great, great high school debater and a legend nationally," Wood says. Seville-Jones' "legend" was assured, in fact, in her senior year at the Harvard High School Debate Tournament, when she won the Individual Top Speaker award with a near-perfect score.

Seville-Jones debated at an extremely competitive level in high school, with hours of research, rehearsing, and professional coaching. Lots of travel and fundraising were involved. And she thrived on it. Her reputation and talent continued to grow so dramatically that in her freshman year at Harvard, she and Bill Foutz '80 earned a number one national ranking before losing in the quarter-finals of the championship tournament that spring.

Her debating had become very rewarding but also nerve-wracking because of the demands college competition places on creativity, memory, discipline, and most of all, time. She and Foutz spent months researching the nationwide topic that year, "employment."

"We employed people by building nuclear power plants across the country." she remembers. They prepared extensively to defend the plan's environmental consequences, saying "we had 20 or 30 pages on why nuclear waste was the greatest thing We were going to glassify it, send it to outer space..."

Though she and Foutz placed among the top eight teams in the country Seville-Jones realized after her freshman year that she was missing a lot, and she decided to "take the next year off," referring to debating, not college.

She never did compete seriously again, save for an abortive comeback junior year. Support for debating from the Harvard administration waned, and she grew more and more alienated from the College itself. "The wear and tear on you can be really bad," she explains. "I met no one here my freshman year except my roommates and my roommates' friends."

Today Seville-Jones lives off-campus, deliberately separating herself from the day-to-day life of Harvard. A bad rooming experience sophomore year and frustration over the distance she perceived between herself and her advisors and tutors drove her towards other interests, and towards a lifestyle emphasizing pleasure more than pressure. And with few regrets.

"I was dull. I think getting out of debate has helped me do other things," she says. She has become an avid sports fan with cable television hookups that allow her to follow several baseball teams on a daily basis, and she counts a trip to Los Angeles to see Fernando Valenzuela pitch in the World Series as a highlight of her senior year.

But Seville-Jones misses the intensity and exhilaration that debating brought her, and she hopes her enrollment in Law School this fall will reintroduce challenges she has missed the last three years.

"Law School's competitive, and that's what people in debate want," she explains. "It's that adversary spirit again. It seems like a lot of work, immense. It's a challenge," and apparently one that she is eager to accept, albeit at her own pace.

Seville-Jones still blames Harvard for drastically cutting the debate council's funding, which eliminated coaching and research and discouraged her from competing with the same energy she had shown freshman year. But she does not regret her three-year "retirement."

"There are a lot of things I never would have thought of doing if I were still in debate," she concludes. "I can see where Law School may revert me back to that single-minded self."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140332)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 11:59 AM
Author: bright know-it-all property

the child is father to the man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140505)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:00 PM
Author: diverse demanding elastic band corner

Interesting. She actually was a perfect personality fit for Biglaw. Guess she really was living her dream.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140515)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:13 PM
Author: Slap-happy cruise ship



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:08 PM
Author: Iridescent Bearded Halford

What's important in this is that, beyond doubt, she advanced the business and litigation interests of the firm and its clients and was rewarded richly for doing so. A life well lived.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140551)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:11 PM
Author: comical bat-shit-crazy nursing home hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140571)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:16 PM
Author: Slap-happy cruise ship

*Other partners quickly dialing (and competing with each other for) Ms. Seville-Jones' clients reassuring them that her matters are expeditiously being handed over to them for continuation*

I picture it like that scene from Jerry Maguire where he and the sports agency that just fired him are hurriedly calling Maguire's clients to either retain or poach them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140605)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:09 PM
Author: bright know-it-all property

this is not even parody

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140857)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:24 PM
Author: flesh irate sanctuary



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:07 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle canary pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140836)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:13 PM
Author: Titillating Juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38141260)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 12:24 PM
Author: flesh irate sanctuary

Is munger still the most prestigious biglaw litigation firm in the country?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140648)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:14 PM
Author: geriatric exhilarant trailer park

Not surprising that a law firm would issue an obituary that is more an ad for its diversity and inclusion efforts.

Of course she was only managing partner because she is unmarried and had no children. I wonder if on her deathbed she had any regrets in dying alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140889)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 4:30 PM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

Meow!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38142037)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:26 PM
Author: rusted cerebral clown giraffe

you're a munger for your miserable life and then there are tolles to pay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140948)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:28 PM
Author: wonderful site keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140959)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:29 PM
Author: Odious regret

What's a Munger Tolles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38140962)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 1:29 PM
Author: Laughsome alcoholic gaping



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:14 PM
Author: underhanded scarlet multi-billionaire

Sad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38141273)



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Date: April 25th, 2019 2:28 PM
Author: sickened center

"Throughout her tenure, she promoted women attorneys and attorneys of color in the firm and the larger community. During her tenure, more than 60 percent of the firm’s newly elected partners were women and/or attorneys of color. Under her leadership, the firm became one of the first to garner Mansfield Certification Plus, recognizing the significant representation of women and attorneys of color in leadership positions at the firm. She helped revamp the MTO Fellows Program, an initiative aimed at increasing the diversity of the legal profession by helping first generation minority college graduates find their way to and through law school. She spoke frequently at conferences focused on women in law."

Good riddance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38141375)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 2:24 PM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes



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Date: April 26th, 2019 2:27 PM
Author: Swashbuckling cuck philosopher-king

she was a high school debate GOD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38146997)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 2:37 PM
Author: Swashbuckling cuck philosopher-king

HUG --> UCLA JD LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38147050)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 4:48 PM
Author: lake curious crackhouse cuckold

Maybe she moved to LA for her husband. Oh wait.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38147743)



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Date: April 26th, 2019 7:46 PM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes



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Date: May 4th, 2019 12:41 PM
Author: Mildly autistic razzmatazz casino useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248294&forum_id=2#38185922)