finding decent 12-15 dollar/hour job...why this fucking hard?
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:02 AM Author: Swashbuckling idiotic chad
What the fuck? I manage to get admitted to a shitload of top law schools, was a state finalist for the Rhodes, interned for a senator and now it seems like the most insurmountable obstacle I've faced is finding a decent paying job for the summer/fall. In all seriousness, should I start knocking down my resume amd leaving shit off so I look a bit more "tailored" towards these data entry and admin asst jobs that I need to tide me over until November? I've answered an obscene amount of job postings and haven't received a single call for an interview.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877361) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:48 AM Author: Know-it-all aphrodisiac patrolman reading party
<< Also consider that an experienced legal secretary is worth much more than a first year associate who is much more talented, but without experience. >>
Their incomes disagree -- unless you think firms are irrational.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877859) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:22 AM Author: Mildly autistic codepig
This is not true. Managers frown on overqualification because overqualification = attitude.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877443)
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:08 AM Author: orchid public bath pozpig
haha shit im the same.
if i made 30k i wouldnt be going to a T14 next year. what a crazy world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877377) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:11 AM Author: Chestnut Mad-dog Skullcap Space
You and everyone else. For your options after LS, see www.jdjive.com
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877395)
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:10 AM Author: Chestnut Mad-dog Skullcap Space
"I expect the real unemployment rate is closer to 15 percent."
I'm not sure that's true. I don't know anyone who's unemployed (except attorneys).
There is a lot of underemployment though, and yes, landing even a measeley $45K job in the real world is *not* easy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877388)
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:09 AM Author: Mildly autistic codepig
Don't mention all those accomplishments unless they're relevant to the position. So if you're applying for an assistant position at a firm mention law school but not much more. If you're applying for retail don't mention any of that stuff.
You don't want to come off as over-qualified.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877381) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:30 AM Author: Swashbuckling idiotic chad
So do you suggest I start leaving my college off my resume? Or maybe call up my old manager at A&F and ask if he'll tell any potential employers I'd worked there all of last year so I can leave Skadden off my resume? It's not as if I'm passing off resumes with my GPA or class rank on them. Nor am I including anything like "State Finalist, Rhodes Scholarship" or obscure academic honors either. I have a resume and I have a CV - the two differ greatly. I agree that sending the CV off to these jobs would immediately bar me from consideration, as I'd come across as a pompous asshole, but the resume is very consciously tailored towards these sort of jobs, highlighting my "clerical" and organizational experience at Skadden and whatnot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877983) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:58 AM Author: Know-it-all aphrodisiac patrolman reading party
P.S. $12-$15 is at the low end of the average U.S. wage. Look here http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm
The average wage looks like it's a bit above $16/hr.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878049) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 1:18 AM Author: fighting ungodly principal's office partner
Where have you been searching for a job and why do you need it until November?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877431) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 1:27 AM Author: Swashbuckling idiotic chad
My fiancee is working a six month contract job in San Fran. I bailed on Skadden and law school to come out here for the six months. Though it sounds obscenely stupid, the benefit is that after the contract is up, her and I are spending the rest of the year either up at Mammoth Mountain or in Park City, so for me it was worth what is effectively a year off. She's footing the bill for the ski thing and, truth be told, would probably foot the bill for all of this time in San Fran, but I REALLY don't want our relationship going in that direction; I'm pretty sure it would make things somewhat bad somewhat quickly, so I'd like to be able to pay my own way out here and have money in my pocket for Mammoth/Park City as well.
I've basically been searching on CL, monster, and run of the mill sources. I'm thinking of calling some temp agenices tomorrow maybe.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877467) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 1:27 AM Author: Wine Lascivious Nowag
"you need experience to get that job. but you can't get experience until you get that job."
i heard this somewhere before. is there any truth to it?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877466) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 1:58 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Milk Brethren
I've experienced the same. The market for low-level jobs of all sorts is incredibly inefficient. It's frustrating, to say the least.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877652) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:58 AM Author: glittery dysfunction house
employment testing
http://www.wonderlic.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_Test
The Wonderlic Personnel Test (often referred to as Wunderlich) is an intelligence test primarily known for being administered to prospective players in the National Football League since the 1970s.
The Wonderlic is a twelve-minute, fifty-question exam to assess aptitude for learning a job and adapting to solve problems for employees in a wide range of occupations. The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time.
A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; to convert scores IQ = 2WPT + 60). It is rumored that at least one player has scored a 1 on the test.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878047)
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:00 AM Author: Chestnut Mad-dog Skullcap Space
"Any decent manager who can withstand the ego challenge would jump at the opportunity..."
Herein lies the problem. This snooty attitude is probably coming across in your resume, etc. Change that and you'll find work.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878231) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:26 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Milk Brethren
I'm in the process of moving and looking for jobs in a new city. Just something that would pay $30k and give me health insurance so I can support myself for a year before starting med school. At this level, there's a very miniscule chance that anyone applying for the same positions would actually end up doing the job better than me. I'm a good worker, and pick up things quickly. Yet because I don't have a bachelor's degree in marketing, "exercise science," or some other ridiculous vocational field for the double-digit IQ set, I fail to meet even the baseline requirements for many of the jobs I'd enjoy having. What's more, if that wasn't enough of an obstacle, my lacking the all-important 1-2 years of experience in a related field also slams shut many of the remaining doors.
Smart, hard-workers can learn in about a month what it takes other people a year to become good at, and then do the same job that much better. This has been the case with every job I've managed to finagle my way into up till now, though I'm not sure how to convince employers of it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877787) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 2:56 AM Author: hyperventilating theater
you're right. one of my friends graduated magna from UCLA, and started applying for paralegal jobs with big name LA firms. he finally got an interview after a maddening spate of dings. after several interviews, the interviewers informed him that they were going to fill the position with an attorney. the "attorney" graduated from whittier law (a 4th tier school outside of LA), and had been "practicing" (read: temping) for several years. there's no way in hell that attorney was brighter or could learn things faster than my friend, yet the attorney got the gig, presumably because of "experience," whatever that means. one way to look at it is that the attorney brought immediately useful, practical skills to the position, while my friend brought a whole lot of "potential." but the way i see it, all low level, dead end jobs (like paralegal) are best filled with experienced idiots. the best jobs are reserved for people who are actually bright. there are a bunch of reasons for this, most of them obvious. so be patient, i'm sure you're going to be fine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877878) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:56 AM Author: Chestnut Mad-dog Skullcap Space
UCLA Law does not rank students.
hth
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878221) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 3:37 AM Author: Know-it-all aphrodisiac patrolman reading party
<< Smart, hard-workers can learn in about a month what it takes other people a year to become good at, and then do the same job that much better. >>
I think that's generally right for the class of jobs we're talking about.
Examples of smart people doing well in dumb people jobs:
- Collections. Me and the accounting guy (previously mentioned in this thread) were by far the top employees in a collections department after a few weeks. We were beating people who had 6 months to a few years of experience in just under a month. The next closest people were about 15% to 20% less productive than us.
- Telemarketing. Two of my friends from high school had after school jobs in a telemarketing firm. Both won top performer awards their second month on the job.
- Road construction. After high school, one of my friends worked at a road construction contractor as a flagger/traffic controller to save some money for college. He learned the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices and how to set up the safety plans on sites so fast that he was promoted to a supervisory position doing after two months. It paid almost $50,000/year with overtime, so he stayed on for two more years and then went to college.
- Hotels. I had an ex-girlfriend who was promoted from night clerk to hotel manager within 4 months. As far as I know, she never went to college (I lost touch with her).
My guess is that a lot of people here are just bullshitting about how they think the world of shitty jobs works. They have no experience with them and don't even have friends who have experience with them.
All else being equal, smart people absolutely stomp their peers in low-level jobs to which intelligence can be applied. That's virtually every job. There might be some small exceptions that require only brute strength or things like that, but for everything else, smart people race past their peers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878007) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:06 AM Author: glittery dysfunction house
"All else being equal, smart people absolutely stomp their peers in low-level jobs to which intelligence can be applied. That's virtually every job. There might be some small exceptions that require only brute strength or things like that, but for everything else, smart people race past their peers."
But low-level jobs are boring for smarty pants (leading to all sorts of problems). this is why things like this happen:
http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/seitz/wonderlic.htm
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878072)
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Date: May 30th, 2006 4:16 AM Author: glittery dysfunction house
yes,
The governmental taking of property from one private owner to give to another in furtherance of economic development constitutes a permissible "public use" under the Fifth Amendment. Supreme Court of Connecticut affirmed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5878097) |
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: insanely creepy onyx crackhouse
My favoriate line from the article:
[Millie McLaughlin, 82, the lunch lady at Harbor Elementary School, worries that pupils will think that "if they study too hard, they won't get a job."]
Such a sweet old lady :D
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880063) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 2:47 AM Author: ocher station
try to get a job busing tables or working in a supermarket or something like that. it's not $15/hr, but it's better than nothing. start looking for a higher paying job after you've already got a stream of income.
also, you might be able to get a tutoring job if you can convince your would-be employer you're working on a credential.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877853) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 3:07 AM Author: pearly internal respiration hunting ground
the only thing you're qualified to do is either moving stuff or tutoring. Tutoring probably pays more so do that. Can't be that hard can it? Call up Testmasters or even Kaplan/PR.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5877906) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 4:32 PM Author: provocative stag film sex offender
Paralegal?
Kaplan/PR tutor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5879930) |
Date: May 30th, 2006 4:48 PM Author: Erotic jewess base
A lot of low-level jobs nowadays actually use recruiters to do a pre-screen of a candidate. This way they are not wasting time in their HR department looking through a shit load of resumes. Often these "headhunters" will call you based on a resume you put out in monster or something of equivalent nature. Call one of these headhunters.
I got a job interview, which was literally the next day. I was so qualified for the position that I was hired on the spot. I am not making crazy money, but I am paying the bills and keeping some cash in my pockets for the weekends. Something like this will definitely hold you over for the summer. Sometimes the headhunter agencies take a portion of your first paycheck, and other times the specific company commissions them so you don’t lose anything. I’d suggest looking for the latter.
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:00 PM Author: bright plaza juggernaut
almost all bay area employment is highly skilled. seattle is even worse.
don't bother.
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Date: May 30th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: drab doobsian kitchen kitty cat
I was in the same shitty situation last year. Job hunting for shitty low-level office jobs (and/or retail jobs) is the most frustrating experience in the world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=424992&forum_id=2#5880192) |
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