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The Adventures of Edinburgh: Foppish Lad
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Date: June 12th, 2006 11:50 AM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration There's always appetizers beforehand, olives and cheese usually. And a small bowl of Pringles, which my grandpa loves.
Dinner: a light veggie soup. Then roast turkey with both sage and oyster stuffing, sauerkraut, peas, asparagus, carrots baked in cream, mashed potatoes.
Dessert: mincemeat pie, homemade ice cream, and pumpkin flan. |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 11:52 AM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Oh Grandfather with his tendencies towards common food. On occasion he is insufferable! Of course it merely contributes to his charm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5965994) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 12:16 AM Author: Racy cream public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5980498) |
Date: June 12th, 2006 11:51 AM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration You really can't associate religion with poor. The inner city ghettos are pretty godless for the most part.
The most devout churchgoing groups tend to be lower middle-middle class suburbanites and small town people. |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 1:32 PM Author: Titillating chocolate whorehouse Have you ever been to the inner-city? There are more churches there than in the rich part of town. Upper West Side/East Side versus Harlem? No question there's a ton of churches in Harlem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984027) |
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Date: September 27th, 2006 4:10 PM Author: Cheese-eating clown tank yeah, that guy who pitched for the mariners once wrote a book about a harlem preacher's family (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6685907) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 11:53 AM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Does sailing count?
We sometimes sail from Annapolis to Rock Hall, MD, for a crab shack on the waterfront. With good wind, a solid three hours. |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 11:54 AM Author: pearly police squad I enjoyed this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966004) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 11:56 AM Author: bateful boiling water you do sound like a cunt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966019) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:33 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Most popular dog owned by the British aristocracy and the remnants of the landed gentry? Black lab, believe it or not.
Meanwhile, hounds have got to be up there. Afghans, whippets, rhodesian ridgebacks, greyhounds, Italian greyhouds...
My particular favorites are borzois. We have two and they are awesome dogs.
http://www.borzoiclubofamerica.org/ |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:34 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration You're speaking to someone who spent four summers shovelling horseshit. Lots o' fun during a hot July day, I can tell you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966299) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:38 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration And, btw, contrary to popular sentiment, I am male, and I am not gay. Never understood why people make these various allegations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966337) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: insane crusty masturbator dingle berry You have to post something where he speaks authoritatively about being schooled in the UK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966348) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:43 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Living around the world, I've quickly discovered that it doesn't matter where you live as long as the place is relatively stable, you have good friends, and a safe supply of drinking water.
I'd be happy to live overseas in my adult life. I like the vast supply of cheap labor in second and third world countries. Playing nintento in Jakarta isn't fundamentally different from playing nintendo in the US, but being served sandwiches by one of the maids is.
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:49 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966424) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:53 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base titcr. youd think i made that up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966454) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:54 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration it just took a bizarre u-turn as if he suddenly realized he wasn't being aristocratic enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966458) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:55 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base are you the designer of itt we talk like plucot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966467) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 12:58 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966490) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:04 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch ouch, ouch and ouch.
Is someone keeping track of everything I say?
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:14 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration your monocle is fogging up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966599) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:21 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch STFU
This thread, and you, are pathetic. |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:26 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Be careful not to knock over the cheese plate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966716) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:27 PM Author: Comical Nursing Home *rolls eyes* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966731) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 1:36 PM Author: Alcoholic range knife OK I will try to be careful not to knock over the cheese plate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5966799) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 8:31 PM Author: exhilarant half-breed knocking over the cheese plate and throwing away the camembert that fell on the laquered oak parquet floor labouriously hand-crafted by imported amish craftsmen is fundamentally different than having a well-bred maid pick up and dust the persian cat hair off each piece of aged gouda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5970081) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 9:28 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Hey! No personal attacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5970421) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 9:51 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Seriously. If you're going to be an eccentric aristocrat, you at least have to have a sense of humor about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5970557) |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 8:14 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Jews as a group highly prize education, and largely for financial reasons. Even the Jews who pursue academic callings do so with a similiar zeal as those pursuing a professional degree. For a great many Jews education was a means to gaining prosperity, and this prosperity allowed them to overcome the stiff social barriers that existed prior to WWII.
It explains why Jews focus so heavily on the more prestigious schools in this country, the more prestigious the school the greater likelihood one would achieve financial prosperity. White non-Jews do not associate matriculation at an Ivy+ with future success to the degree Jews do, if they did then competition for admissions the top colleges would be unbelievably more difficult. For most white non-Jewish Americans the state schools do a perfectly good job in securing a financially stable life and plenty of qualified non Jewish white students never bother applying to the top colleges, especially outside the northeast. |
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Date: June 12th, 2006 8:18 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Yale undergraduate and (shudder) Penn Law.
Still, it does qualify as double Ivy.
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Date: June 13th, 2006 7:54 AM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Naples, Italy. Easily best pizza in the world. HArd to pick a single restaurant (or remember the names), but the pizza in Naples in nothing like any other place. Especially when sitting outside a restaurant somewhere in the old city with laundry hanging over your head and scooters flying by. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5973085) |
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Date: June 13th, 2006 9:05 AM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Aha. I hate to break this to you but while you're saying "I'm from Jersey" and adding that "element of intrigue," when the girls gasp and their eyes go wide, it is only because they now have an explanation behind your loud cheesy shirt and greasy hair slicked down with too much mousse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5973197) |
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Date: June 13th, 2006 9:07 AM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch I don't think I ever wrote that, but if I did then I'm impressed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5973206) |
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Date: June 13th, 2006 10:13 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Exeter, Andover, St. Pauls, Groton, Deerfield, Northfield Mount Hermon, Miss Porter's, Choate Rosemary, Milton, St. George, St. Anselm Abbey, Lawrenceville, St. Andrews, Hill, George, Westtown...... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5979331) |
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Date: June 13th, 2006 10:15 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration Harvard is a fantastic school, but I resent how some people will automatically assume that I was rejected at Harvard when I say I went to Yale. I had no interest in applying to Harvard, my qualifications would have made me a competitive candidate for admission, and from the beginning Yale's social life combined with the academics bested anything Harvard had to offer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5979349) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 1:28 PM Author: supple carnelian church building **bump** (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5983999) |
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Date: September 27th, 2006 4:07 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base titcb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6685886) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 1:47 PM Author: marvelous pea-brained hairy legs The Christmas eve dinner is a big deal at home-the menu's been established for generations.
pate, shrimp pate for canapes. Oyster soup, a fish course, salad, roast beef with yorkshire pudding, asparagus, peas, carrots, oven browned potatoes, then lemon sherbert, then the plum pudding with brandy and rum hard sauce, homemade ice cream, mincemeat pie, cookies.
It is not easy to pull this off every Christmas eve, as my ma always complains, it was easy for my dad's great grandmother to set the annual menu when she had a cook and maids to do everything. But, damn, it is good eating!
The christmas day dinner is usually roast chicken or we're on our way out of the country.
Edit: forgot the booze. Oh hell yeah. Champagne, white and red corresponding with the courses, and a sweet reisling with dessert. |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 1:54 PM Author: marvelous pea-brained hairy legs I have lived in Britain and have family in Britain.
The English middle classes (by which they mean the upper middle classes) are quite a friendly, educated, knowledgeable group of people, and more "aware" of current events than the corresponding American social class. It's rather hard to meet the real English because they aren't the warmest people, but once you do it can completely change your perception of the country.
However, England suffers from having a large population of boorish working class chavs. Some aren't bad, especially those in rural areas, but the ones in the city are almost enough to drive any reasonable person away from England.
And I also find frustrating the English obsession with national decline, which is rather ironic for several reasons. One, they certainly do have one of the most prosperous economies in Europe and the world (especially since the Germans are in a fast sinking ship) and a standard of living that is, especially in the south of England, very high, and London is without question one of the twin financial capitals of the world (other is New York). Second, the average Englishman today has a much better life than the average Englishman during the days of the empire.
I assume much of this obsession stems from that the country has lost much of no-nonsense arrogance and confidence that permeated England in the 19th century. OF course, two major world wars (which hit Britain far harder, both economically and population losses, than America), and a poorly decided flirtation with socialism during the 1940s that crippled English industry for the next half century hardly helped. |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 2:13 PM Author: Impertinent hyperventilating lettuce who is he directing this at? the little moon-faced indonesian children sitting at his feet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984412) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 2:18 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base these are just his posts in normal threads that everyone else posts in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984449) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 2:24 PM Author: Impertinent hyperventilating lettuce well, i know that, but the tone makes me wonder who he imagines his audience to be. england hit harder by the world wars? that wasn't in my history books! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984504) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 3:08 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch You think America suffered harder in both world wars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984965) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2008 10:15 AM Author: Frozen Private Investor rofled here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#9816491) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 2:20 PM Author: aggressive stock car church it sounds like he would be horrible in bed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984464) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 3:10 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch Probably everyone would be if you carefully selected which posts to put on a thread making fun of them. Since readers would have no idea of the context of all the original threads it's very easy to distort a person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5984978) |
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Date: June 15th, 2006 7:18 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration They really haven't been selected all that carefully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5996062) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 4:14 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base He's ok. Covers some interesting areas and gives attention to certain beautiful towns, but I find it annoying that his guidebooks ignore many worthwhile towns. In the guide to France, he promotes Colmar but completely ignores Strasbourg and Dijon. No references to Coutances either, despite having one of the most beautiful cathedrals in all of Europe.
When I travel in Europe, I use two guides: either the Rough Guide or Lonely Planet for hotels/hostels/transportation, restaurants, and nightlife. And I counter it with the Blue Guide for all the artistic history/information.
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Date: June 14th, 2006 4:54 PM Author: Confused nubile newt meetinghouse why do the gheys love france? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5986051) |
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Date: June 14th, 2006 4:56 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base And, btw, contrary to popular sentiment, I am male, and I am not gay. Never understood why people make these various allegations.
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Date: June 15th, 2006 7:18 PM Author: Buff appetizing spot internal respiration I once dated a girl whose father went to the med school at Buffalo, and he is now a bigshot pediatrician at Mount Sinai in NYC, after being prof at Hopkins Med and Duke Med. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#5996054) |
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Date: June 20th, 2006 12:16 PM Author: marvelous pea-brained hairy legs The BVI is better than the American VI. Less developed and more pastoral, and the snorkling is better.
Unfortunately more expensive. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2006 2:50 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base I see my parents on average once a month plus more when we travel in the summer/winter.
But when I start working fulltime next summer, I may only see them at the holidays. New York isn't far from Baltimore so I'll probably see the folks more often than had they lived across the country, but I sure aint going to waste precious vacation time going down to Baltimore.
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Date: July 3rd, 2006 3:12 PM Author: marvelous pea-brained hairy legs http://www.blenheimpalace.com/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6130275) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 8:55 AM Author: Confused nubile newt meetinghouse There's a real beauty to the hot African savannah and seeing the migration of the wildebeest is pretty awesome. But if you don't like heat, bugs, or animals, yeah, there's no point in going to Africa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6141296) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 8:57 AM Author: Primrose greedy piazza party of the first part Beat me to it. :(
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Date: July 5th, 2006 8:59 AM Author: pearly police squad Although one won't get the culture or architecture of the popular European destinations, here are two justifications for going to Asia:
1. Food (Thailand, Singapore, Japan all have excellent cuisines).
2. Tropical beaches: Bali, Thailand, the South Pacific
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Date: July 5th, 2006 9:12 AM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch There's nothing foppish about it. Had I said something along the lines of, "ooh, yes, Asia is full of the most charming, and ever so exclusive, boutiques and resorts," then that'd be foppish.
Meanwhile, C-
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:19 PM Author: razzle hall Andrew falls into the category of gay men with bad taste. He probably wears wifebeaters with cutoff jeans during his free time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142527) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:21 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch Et tu, brute? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142545) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:22 PM Author: razzle hall Sorry, I couldn't help myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142553) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:23 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch I suppose I deserve it, anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142560) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:26 PM Author: razzle hall Some of these entries are borderline, but posts about the fashion choices of gay men are hard to defend against the charge of foppishness.
It's just the board's way of showing it loves you. Sort of. |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:27 PM Author: pearly police squad Also not true. I would not be caught dead in a wifebeater. I don't even know what cutoff jeans are, but I can guess and it's not pretty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142590) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:29 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch I'm sure you are fine. Just was a bit pissed at a couple things at the time I wrote the post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142603) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:30 PM Author: pearly police squad I'm not actually offended, dude. But this thread is evidence that you need to tone it down a little. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142610) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:35 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch Just write me off as a failed attempt at comic relief.
I don't have a gift for language so a lot of things come out with the wrong implications. |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:24 PM Author: Emerald Roast Beef that guy is the biggest faggot. is he out or in the closet? i used to think it was a girl and didnt know it was a gay guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142566) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:32 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch I sometimes wonder what it's like to top. You willing to bottom for me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142623) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:38 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base And, btw, contrary to popular sentiment, I am male, and I am not gay. Never understood why people make these various allegations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142656) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:45 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch ha. ha. ha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142697) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:56 PM Author: Lemon big skinny woman No, but it looks like there's a decent spring to the soles, and the price is terrific. If you're concerned about comparing running shoes, check out the local running store or go to Barnes and Nobles and read through a running magazine or two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142778) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 12:59 PM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch F
Nothing foppish about it at all. |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 1:28 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142983) |
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Date: July 5th, 2006 1:29 PM Author: Lemon big skinny woman not credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6142986) |
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Date: July 7th, 2006 10:56 AM Author: Confused nubile newt meetinghouse I'd like to say that I did the Lourve in 15 minutes flat.
But I'd be lying. It was a hour.
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Date: July 7th, 2006 10:57 AM Author: aromatic maize blood rage brunch Eh. It could be interpreted as foppish. But not quite there.
B-
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Date: July 7th, 2006 11:05 AM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Lets not be too literalist with the definition of fop, although I agree with you above that the shoe recommendation doesnt come close (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6157625) |
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Date: July 12th, 2006 8:16 PM Author: Comical Nursing Home At least one would have cheap servants in a third world country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#6196835) |
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Date: October 8th, 2006 4:39 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Yes, I have taken the greyhound a few times, especially between Philadelphia-Baltimore/DC, and once to Boston from New Haven, and once from Providence to NYC. The last trip took six and a half hours.
I second what someone else said: I am rich enough to not have to take the Greyhound ever again *shudders.* Although the $50+ one way ticket to Balt/DC kills me especially when you can get a round trip ticket to NY through NJ Transit for only $30, and true enough Greyhound is only, what, $20 one way but the feeling that you badly need a shower after stepping off the bus is one I don't want to have to experience again. Amtrak is expensive but I enjoy it and the regional NYC-DC trains aren't frequently late.
In New England there was a line called Bonanza which I rode once, and it seemed perfectly fine.
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Date: November 27th, 2006 3:10 PM Author: razzle hall TI'll defend the guy here: Greyhound sucks pretty hard. I'm also glad that I'm rich enough not to have to take it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#7078910) |
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Date: November 27th, 2006 3:09 PM Author: silver mentally impaired boltzmann base Are you going to enshrine the bowl in a glass case? My grandpop has a silver bowl that James Buchanan gave to his grandparents as a wedding gift. He keeps it in one of those glass topped curio tables. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#7078898) |
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Date: November 27th, 2006 3:10 PM Author: Confused nubile newt meetinghouse lolz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=433038&forum_id=2#7078906) |
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Date: May 7th, 2007 1:03 PM Author: coiffed lay headpube I would prefer a simple little shingding, but knowing her mother, it'll be expensive and elaborate in the manner of the pretty Episcopalian church followed by a reception at their country club.
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