NYT: We need to end Free Speech because it is killing us
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Date: October 4th, 2019 10:08 AM Author: sooty greedy office
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/opinion/sunday/free-speech-social-media-violence.html
Free Speech Is Killing Us
By Andrew Marantz
Oct. 4, 2019, 6:01 a.m. ET
Illustrations by Nicolas Ortega; Photographs from Getty Images
There has never been a bright line between word and deed. Yet for years, the founders of Facebook and Twitter and 4chan and Reddit — along with the consumers obsessed with these products, and the investors who stood to profit from them — tried to pretend that the noxious speech prevalent on those platforms wouldn’t metastasize into physical violence. In the early years of this decade, back when people associated social media with Barack Obama or the Arab Spring, Twitter executives referred to their company as “the free-speech wing of the free-speech party.” Sticks and stones and assault rifles could hurt us, but the internet was surely only a force for progress.
No one believes that anymore. Not after the social-media-fueled campaigns of Narendra Modi and Rodrigo Duterte and Donald Trump; not after the murder of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Va.; not after the massacres in a synagogue in Pittsburgh, two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and a Walmart in a majority-Hispanic part of El Paso. The Christchurch shooter, like so many of his ilk, had spent years on social media trying to advance the cause of white power. But these posts, he eventually decided, were not enough; now it was “time to make a real life effort post.” He murdered 52 people.
Having spent the past few years embedding as a reporter with the trolls and bigots and propagandists who are experts at converting fanatical memes into national policy, I no longer have any doubt that the brutality that germinates on the internet can leap into the world of flesh and blood.
The question is where this leaves us. Noxious speech is causing tangible harm. Yet this fact implies a question so uncomfortable that many of us go to great lengths to avoid asking it. Namely, what should we — the government, private companies or individual citizens — be doing about it?
Nothing. Or at least that’s the answer one often hears from liberals and conservatives alike. Some speech might be bad, this line of thinking goes, but censorship is always worse. The First Amendment is first for a reason.
After one of the 8chan-inspired massacres — I can’t even remember which one, if I’m being honest — I struck up a conversation with a stranger at a coffee shop. We talked about how bewildering it was to be alive at a time when viral ideas can slide so precipitously into terror. Then I wondered what steps should be taken. Immediately, our conversation ran aground. “No steps,” he said. “What exactly do you have in mind? Thought police?” He told me that he was a leftist, but he considered his opinion about free speech to be a matter of settled bipartisan consensus.
I imagined the same conversation, remixed slightly. What if, instead of talking about memes, we’d been talking about guns? What if I’d invoked the ubiquity of combat weapons in civilian life and the absence of background checks, and he’d responded with a shrug? Nothing to be done. Ever heard of the Second Amendment?
Using “free speech” as a cop-out is just as intellectually dishonest and just as morally bankrupt. For one thing, the First Amendment doesn’t apply to private companies. Even the most creative reader of the Constitution will not find a provision guaranteeing Richard Spencer a Twitter account. But even if you see social media platforms as something more akin to a public utility, not all speech is protected under the First Amendment anyway. Libel, incitement of violence and child pornography are all forms of speech. Yet we censor all of them, and no one calls it the death knell of the Enlightenment.
Free speech is a bedrock value in this country. But it isn’t the only one. Like all values, it must be held in tension with others, such as equality, safety and robust democratic participation. Speech should be protected, all things being equal. But what about speech that’s designed to drive a woman out of her workplace or to bully a teenager into suicide or to drive a democracy toward totalitarianism? Navigating these trade-offs is thorny, as trade-offs among core principles always are. But that doesn’t mean we can avoid navigating them at all.
In 1993 and 1994, talk-radio hosts in Rwanda calling for bloodshed helped create the atmosphere that led to genocide. The Clinton administration could have jammed the radio signals and taken those broadcasts off the air, but Pentagon lawyers decided against it, citing free speech. It’s true that the propagandists’ speech would have been curtailed. It’s also possible that a genocide would have been averted.
I am not calling for repealing the First Amendment, or even for banning speech I find offensive on private platforms. What I’m arguing against is paralysis. We can protect unpopular speech from government interference while also admitting that unchecked speech can expose us to real risks. And we can take steps to mitigate those risks.
The Constitution prevents the government from using sticks, but it says nothing about carrots.
Congress could fund, for example, a national campaign to promote news literacy, or it could invest heavily in library programming. It could build a robust public media in the mold of the BBC. It could rethink Section 230 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act — the rule that essentially allows Facebook and YouTube to get away with (glorification of) murder. If Congress wanted to get really ambitious, it could fund a rival to compete with Facebook or Google, the way the Postal Service competes with FedEx and U.P.S.
Or the private sector could pitch in on its own. Tomorrow, by fiat, Mark Zuckerberg could make Facebook slightly less profitable and enormously less immoral: He could hire thousands more content moderators and pay them fairly. Or he could replace Sheryl Sandberg with Susan Benesch, a human rights lawyer and an expert on how speech can lead to violence. Social media companies have shown how quickly they can act when under pressure. After every high-profile eruption of violence — Charlottesville, Christchurch and the like — tech companies have scrambled to ban inflammatory accounts, take down graphic videos, even rewrite their terms of service. Some of the most egregious actors, such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos, have been permanently banned from all major platforms.
“We need to protect the rights of speakers,” John A. Powell, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, told me, “but what about protecting everyone else?” Mr. Powell was the legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and he represented the Ku Klux Klan in federal court. “Racists should have rights,” he explained. “I also know, being black and having black relatives, what it means to have a cross burned on your lawn. It makes no sense for the law to be concerned about one and ignore the other.”
Mr. Powell, in other words, is a free-speech advocate but not a free-speech absolutist. Shortly before his tenure as legal director, he said, “when women complained about sexual harassment in the workplace, the A.C.L.U.’s response would be, ‘Sorry, nothing we can do. Harassment is speech.’ That looks ridiculous to us now, as it should.” He thinks that some aspects of our current First Amendment jurisprudence — blanket protections of hate speech, for example — will also seem ridiculous in retrospect. “It’s simpler to think only about the First Amendment and to ignore, say, the 14th Amendment, which guarantees full citizenship and equal protection to all Americans, including those who are harmed by hate speech,” he said. “It’s simpler, but it’s also wrong.”
I should confess: I used to agree with the guy I met in the coffee shop, the one who saw the First Amendment as an all-or-nothing dictate. This allowed me to reach conclusions with swift, simple authority. It also allowed me to ignore a lot, to pretend that anything that was invisible to me either wasn’t happening or didn’t matter.
In one of our conversations, Mr. Powell compared harmful speech to carbon pollution: People are allowed to drive cars. But the government can regulate greenhouse emissions, the private sector can transition to renewable energy sources, civic groups can promote public transportation and cities can build sea walls to prepare for rising ocean levels. We could choose to reduce all of that to a simple dictate: Everyone should be allowed to drive a car, and that’s that. But doing so wouldn’t stop the waters from rising around us.
Andrew Marantz (@AndrewMarantz) is a staff writer for The New Yorker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928260) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:14 AM Author: sooty greedy office
http://www.browndailyherald.com/2006/09/22/andrew-marantz-065-five-thousand-seven-hundred-sixtyseven-years-of-inbreeding/
Andrew Marantz ‘06.5: Five thousand, seven hundred sixty-seven years of inbreeding
Judaism is an ethno-racial identity, not a political agenda
By ANDREW MARANTZ
Friday, September 22, 2006
I once heard a stand-up comedian say, “I’m not a Jew; I’m just Jew…ish.”
Unlike her, I am a Jew. But when I tell people, unequivocally, that I am a Jew, I mean it as a statement about my genome. Both of my biological parents are Jewish; so I was a Jew, inevitably, even before I was circumcised.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928282) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: Gold soul-stirring space
"I am not calling for repealing the First Amendment, or even for banning speech I find offensive on private platforms. "
*spends remainder of article explicitly calling for those two steps*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928320) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: startling death wish
they just have to go back
https://i.redd.it/av67fnabx0t11.png
no hard feelings jews, but you just gotta go. ok, maybe a little bit of hard feelings. but if you just go back to israel, where you belong, nobody has to get hurt or "holocausted"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928324) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: Sadistic stead organic girlfriend
"I should confess: I used to agree with the guy I met in the coffee shop, the one who saw the First Amendment as an all-or-nothing dictate. This allowed me to reach conclusions with swift, simple authority. It also allowed me to ignore a lot, to pretend that anything that was invisible to me either wasn’t happening or didn’t matter."
The only thing that changed is his team now controls the media, academia, and pop culture, and gets to dictate what counts as "good" speech.
Compare how journalists talk about free speech here to how they talk about it in, say, Hungary, or Saudi Arabia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928329) |
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Date: October 4th, 2019 10:53 AM Author: talented associate
cr.
remember that vid of martini-swilling Republicans who were shocked that Trump didn't need them and that they were no longer essential?
same thing with shitlib journalists. random people online pointing out when journalists are full of shit is now "violence."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928491) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:30 AM Author: sooty greedy office
MEMES EQUAL MURDER
"What if, instead of talking about memes, we’d been talking about guns? "
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928366) |
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Date: October 4th, 2019 10:57 AM Author: startling death wish
SkekTek 2020
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Salty about the reception your article is getting I see.
Bagel for lunch today?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928511) |
Date: October 4th, 2019 10:49 AM Author: talented associate
ABOUT ANTISOCIAL
From a rising star at The New Yorker, a deeply immersive chronicle of how the optimistic entrepreneurs of Silicon Valley set out to create a free and democratic internet–and how the cynical propagandists of the alt-right exploited that freedom to propel the extreme into the mainstream.
For several years, Andrew Marantz, a New Yorker staff writer, has been embedded in two worlds. The first is the world of social-media entrepreneurs, who, acting out of naïvete and reckless ambition, upended all traditional means of receiving and transmitting information. The second is the world of the people he calls “the gate crashers”–the conspiracists, white supremacists, and nihilist trolls who have become experts at using social media to advance their corrosive agenda. Antisocial ranges broadly–from the first mass-printed books to the trending hashtags of the present; from secret gatherings of neo-Fascists to the White House press briefing room–and traces how the unthinkable becomes thinkable, and then how it becomes reality. Combining the keen narrative detail of Bill Buford’s Among the Thugs and the sweep of George Packer’s The Unwinding, Antisocial reveals how the boundaries between technology, media, and politics have been erased, resulting in a deeply broken informational landscape–the landscape in which we all now live. Marantz shows how alienated young people are led down the rabbit hole of online radicalization, and how fringe ideas spread–from anonymous corners of social media to cable TV to the President’s Twitter feed. Marantz also sits with the creators of social media as they start to reckon with the forces they’ve unleashed. Will they be able to solve the communication crisis they helped bring about, or are their interventions too little too late?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38928458)
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Date: October 4th, 2019 5:22 PM Author: Passionate Mewling Dopamine Laser Beams
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Andrew Marantz ‘06.5: Five thousand, seven hundred sixty-seven years of inbreeding
Judaism is an ethno-racial identity, not a political agenda
By ANDREW MARANTZ
Friday, September 22, 2006
I once heard a stand-up comedian say, “I’m not a Jew; I’m just Jew…ish.”
Unlike her, I am a Jew. But when I tell people, unequivocally, that I am a Jew, I mean it as a statement about my genome. Both of my biological parents are Jewish; so I was a Jew, inevitably, even before I was circumcised.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4356683&forum_id=2#38930479) |
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