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Graduated with 2.65 from T14. Any hope?
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:13 PM Author: Soul-stirring Digit Ratio I graduated in May, and I'm now studying for the Bar Exam. I've applied to big, medium and small sized firms and government positions, but I haven't recieved any offers. What really happens to the bottom of the class at T14 schools? I hope some of you could provide me with serious and valuable input. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063495) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:14 PM Author: bright site mood How did you end up with a B- average? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063507) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:14 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Why are you so fucking dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063510) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:40 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm I love xo's version of serious and valuable input. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063704) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: sable trip internal respiration Weakest flame ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063523) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:17 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit it is flame because no one gets a 2.65 in law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063534) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:17 PM Author: sable trip internal respiration Certainly not at a T14 with a moniker like his who asks this question AFTER he graduates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063540) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:19 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit oh, of course, since we all know that law school graduates - especially those whose moniker is "t14andjobless" or some similar variation - don't post questions on law related discussion boards, especially not XOXO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063554) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:20 PM Author: sable trip internal respiration Correct. You are a slow and dim witted pretend negro, but you eventually get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063562) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:22 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit Date: June 24th, 2006 10:20 PM Author: LetsNukeMecca
Correct. You are a slow and dim witted pretend negro, but you eventually get it.
(http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=#)
oh my. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: haunting maniacal bawdyhouse gaping you're maddeningly stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063620) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:32 PM Author: Soul-stirring Digit Ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063648) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:34 PM Author: haunting maniacal bawdyhouse gaping don't know where this came from; but the only person on this thread who needs a pick-me-upper is, well, you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063654) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: Carnelian Resort class rank? 2.65 could be top 70% at some schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063528) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:17 PM Author: sable trip internal respiration Not a T14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063537) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:18 PM Author: Carnelian Resort at no t14? what do u think his/her rank is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063543) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:21 PM Author: Soul-stirring Digit Ratio I graduated from a top 14 school, and yes, this is an honest post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063568) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:22 PM Author: Carnelian Resort whats your rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063575) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:22 PM Author: sable trip internal respiration Are you familiar with GRADE CURVES in LS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063572) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:17 PM Author: bright site mood The OP said T14. Probably closer to dead last, if this isnt flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063539) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:16 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit a 2.65 shows promise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063530) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:33 PM Author: carmine exhilarant juggernaut therapy GULC troll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063653) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: Coiffed Space if "worst comes to worst"
become a PD or Asst. DA
if you don't suck you gain experience and move up.
1000x better than doc review, IMHO
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:51 PM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe very difficult to get da or pd jobs in the ba Santa Clara pd has their first opening in four years. Even Alameda county da had 200 candidates for 8 openings. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:59 PM Author: Coiffed Space We are assuming OP is limiting himself to Santa Clara and Alameda (or California for that matter)?
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:07 AM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe no - just that those jobs are not uniformly plentiful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064376) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:30 AM Author: Coiffed Space well maybe he should move to where the jobs are.
granted the legal market is oversupplied, but some of those TTT fuck doc reviewers really did bring it on themselves. Instead of struggling to graduate from Cardozo, they could have gone to a decent school in a less "prestigious" state (i.e. maine, south carolina, oregon) with low COL (and, after first year, lower in-state tuition rates) and worked as a DA for a few years, then as an associate, then opened up a solo practice, then bought a big fucking house w/ a nice pool, picket fence, et cetera.
Let's assume OP went to... UVA/Georgetown? Then he just needs to hop down to Richmond. Duke? Plenty of people need lawyers in Greensboro. Cornell? What about Syracuse.
Instead, these people flood already oversupplied markets (NY, DC, SF) and just nip at the heels of the biglaw lawyers already raking it in.
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:41 AM Author: hilarious dragon indeed, because a PD in south carolina leads a much better life than a inhouse counsel for a corporation (i.e. a "failed" biglaw attorney) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064637) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 1:08 AM Author: Coiffed Space you aren't getting what I'm saying.
TTT people (i.e. people with no shot of anything paying remotly close to market) are better off doing day-to-day shit (PD only as training, then private) in a small town in a low COL area than doing those shit ass jobs they take at JDJIVE... doc review, 32k for PI firms, et cetera...
This line of reasoning doesn't concern biglaw. I guess I went under the assumption that OP would never have a hope. .. which may not be right. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 7:37 AM Author: 180 clear piazza water buffalo This post is filled with errors.
"UVA just hop down to Richmond"
Tons of UVA try to do that every year - and fail. There is enough competition that people with bottom 1/2 grades arent getting jobs at decent Richmond firms. Why you idiots think you can just hop to a smaller market and have firms suck you off is beyond me. |
Date: June 24th, 2006 10:25 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Plaintiff's firms pay about 75-90. They don't ask for transcripts, from what I understand. I have a friend from Penn in the bottom 10% (roughly), and he got a job in Chicago making 85k, no transcript required. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063596) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:28 PM Author: Soul-stirring Digit Ratio I applied to some of these firms, but I haven't recieved any responses yet. Do you know where I could find job postings for Plaintiff's firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063612) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:36 PM Author: Grizzly razzle-dazzle national I graduated from a top 14 last year. I actually know a few people who still don't have law firm jobs, even after 12 plus months. I know a few who are contract attorneys, like doing document review. I know another one who ended up getting a DA position in the middle of no where. Basically, if you don't have a law firm job lined up at graduation you are pretty much fucked to be honest. You won't get much attention from any big firms cause your grades suck and you have no experience.
Try for government position to get experience and then maybe after 2-4 years you can get into a respectable firm. Otherwise, I'd honestly say you're pretty much fucked unfortunately. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:38 PM Author: Grizzly razzle-dazzle national Honestly also you have to remember that most plaintiffs firms are full of TTT graduates. Sometimes coming from a top 14 actually works against you because they'll look at your resume and wonder why you can't get a better job. Lots of TTT's are insecure and will discrmiinate against you cause your top 14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063686) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:45 PM Author: Filthy Bateful Cuckold This is one of the most accurate posts I've seen on here in a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063746) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:48 PM Author: bright site mood Only partially accurate. I'm working at a small plaintiff's firm before law school, and we occasionally get someone in from a top school. You are right that they will always wonder why, but there is no discrimination. Even at my firm, the partners were very happy to pick up a recent virginia grad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063768) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:01 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Absolutely. Even if they wonder what is wrong with you, they recognize you kicked the shit out of them on the LSAT, and have a hopeful sort of arrogance that makes them willing to take a chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063875) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: chest-beating mexican travel guidebook plaintiffs firms huh?
maybe that's what I should/would have done if I hadn't dropped out |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:58 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary It's the real benefit of the t14. You can at minimum get a job paying 75k, if you don't spit on someone during the interview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063862) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:44 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm I have a friend who graduated from a t20 with about that average. She ended up at a firm in a small market that she had ties to that paid less than other firms in the market and does business lit but also plaintiff side work. I think she started around $50K, and I don't think she had any 'in' at the firm although they did have a few attorneys from her school. So it sounds like you're taking the right approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063738) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: Lascivious Ratface Whorehouse It's like looking into the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063810) |
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Date: June 26th, 2006 12:22 PM Author: glassy arousing yarmulke 178 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6074252) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 10:54 PM Author: Demanding pit Go work at insurance defense firm.
Start out at 50-60k.
Learn how to practice law, appear in court, try cases. You'll get more substantive experience there in a year than you would at a BIGLAW firm anyway.
Quit in a year or 2 and lateral to a larger firm. They wont be as concerned about grades, and you'll still have a good school, only know you'll know more than the other associates who are also 2 years out. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:00 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit uh, you can't "lateral" that easily. big firms want big firm laterals, not TTT ID fagtards who couldn't even get BIGLAW (which is a feat in itself. as a general matter, "BIGLAW" is rather unselective). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063871) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary "BIGLAW" is achievable by less than 10% of law students. If your definition of "unselective" is this limited, you need a new dictionary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063913) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit 96% of all law students are fucking idiots. get a clue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063934) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:11 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Clearly your major didn't require a course in statistics. Sucks for your future employer, though what did they expect from a diversity hire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063961) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:13 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit nice self pwn4ge. it's hilarious when that happens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063971) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Feel free to elucidate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063997) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit re-read our exchange. slowly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064009) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Can't do it? Unsurprising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064016) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit i guess this means you still don't get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064021) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary "It" not existing, of course. Keep up the charade of knowing something though, absolutely everyone is convinced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064032) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:22 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit haha, at least *you* think you're smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064050) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:24 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Keep dodging the question, you're fooling everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064059) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: hilarious dragon Not everyone who gets into biglaw is smart, dumbass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064084) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:32 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary I forget where I said that, fuckwit. Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064095) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: hilarious dragon I though this tidbit of information might help you with the quandry that Bull Conner has presented to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064105) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit RETARD I WILL GIVE YOU $1000 PAYPAL IF YOU WOULD PLEASE DIE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064108) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Awww, your two identities, even when combined, cannot help you escape your singular stupidity. Good call on the run and obfuscate, though - best to avoid a direct confrontation when you are a fuckwit. Keep sprinting off when tossing off ambiguities in your wake - stupid people perform poorly when pinned down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064155) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:44 PM Author: hilarious dragon Explain this to me. You said 10% of law students can get biglaw. He said 96% of law students are idiots. So, 40% of the people who get biglaw are idiots, assuming that the 6% of law students who are smart get it. Actually, 2% of law students who are smart do something other than biglaw. So, it ends up that 60% of people in biglaw are idiots. Hardly impressive.
I know you are trying to save face, but please, stop. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:49 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Explain it? OK - you are making assumptions and attributing them to me. Seeing as I have no interest in defending arguments I didn't make, you are dismissed with prejudice.
Thanks for playing though. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:53 PM Author: hilarious dragon Is this IPGunner?
You made a mistake, assuming that all people who get biglaw are smart. That isn't true. Get over yourself. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:56 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary And yet, you are incapable of provinding a link to where I said it. Cute how your mistake has buried you intellectually. Oops! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064289) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:58 PM Author: hilarious dragon You have yet to show how anything Bull Conner said was illogical or at all inaccurate. You are playing the typical IPGunner game, and you aren't impressing anyone. Writing "Oops!" at the end of your post doesn't win you any points, it just makes you look like the fucktard that you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064311) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:59 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit why does IPGunner always do this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064319) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:13 AM Author: Pearly slimy house Why do you often participate in, if not start, some of the most retarded exchanges xoxo has? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064426) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:22 AM Author: hilarious dragon Any exhange with IPGunner ends up being retarded. It is not B.C.'s fault. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064504) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:03 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary You/Bull Conner have yet to show that Bull Conner said anything at all. Further, you have yet to provide a link to me saying anything your tiny mind claims I did. Continue on, you intellectual midget - my only mistake is in engaging a fuckwit as long as I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064350) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:06 AM Author: hilarious dragon "Clearly your major didn't require a course in statistics. Sucks for your future employer, though what did they expect from a diversity hire?"
This was your self-pwnage. I don't need to show anything at all.
IPGunner, you've already been shown to be a retard. Stop hijacking threads with your stupidity. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:09 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary You/Bull Conner have yet to show that Bull Conner said anything at all. Further, you have yet to provide a link to me saying anything your tiny mind claims I did. Continue on, you intellectual midget - my only mistake is in engaging a fuckwit as long as I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064389) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:10 AM Author: hilarious dragon You think that was so well written that you needed to post it again?
I'm sorry Bull Conner revealed outed you again, IPGunner, but change your moniker and try again. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:11 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary You/Bull Conner have yet to show that Bull Conner said anything at all. Further, you have yet to provide a link to me saying anything your tiny mind claims I did. Continue on, you intellectual midget - my only mistake is in engaging a fuckwit as long as I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064408) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:14 AM Author: hilarious dragon Why don't you claim that the federal government can't make pot legal again? That was so much fun! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064431) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:15 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary I applaud you trying to change the subject. It's really the only option you have left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064443) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:18 AM Author: hilarious dragon I didn't change the subject, I addressed it and you rewrote your other irrellevant post.
IPGunner, your attempt to claim you have "won" after making irrellevant points or writing "Oops!" is extremely annoying. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:23 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary "I don't need to show anything at all."
And you didn't. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:25 AM Author: hilarious dragon Yes, self-pwning works on its own.
You didn't need any help to make yourself look like a fool. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:29 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary You/Bull Conner have yet to show that Bull Conner said anything at all. Further, you have yet to provide a link to me saying anything your tiny mind claims I did. Continue on, you intellectual midget - my only mistake is in engaging a fuckwit as long as I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064556) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:33 AM Author: hilarious dragon Proof that you are an idiot:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=412904&mc=213&forum_id=2
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=414494&mc=365&forum_id=2 |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:34 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064443 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064591) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:35 AM Author: hilarious dragon yea, he was laughing at you. get over it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064600) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:36 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary You/Bull Conner have yet to show that Bull Conner said anything at all. Further, you have yet to provide a link to me saying anything your tiny mind claims I did. Continue on, you intellectual midget - my only mistake is in engaging a fuckwit as long as I have. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:39 AM Author: hilarious dragon Nice job posting irrellevant nonsense to further the self-pwnage, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064628) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:12 AM Author: Dun orchestra pit HAHAHAHAH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064412) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit LOL, awesome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064244) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: Demanding pit Learn how to read, you useless fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063917) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit no, i prefer to be illiterate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063939) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: hilarious dragon Indeed. Maybe he can get a job as a JD temp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063926) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm You seriously underestimate how easy it is to move to biglaw. First, they won't want someone who couldn't get a biglaw job in the first place unless he's REALLY distinguished himself. There are plenty of biglaw attorneys they can hire as laterals instead. Second, they aren't *as* concerned about grades, but they still don't want the guy who was dead last in his class. If they request a transcript he'd be screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063885) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: Demanding pit I'm not talking about lateralling to a Vault 50.
But with his schools and experience, he should be able move to a larger firm that pays well in a year or 2, even if its not a huge BIGLAW firm. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary The implicit assertion that Vault rankings reflect a slope of difficulty exposes you as a fuckwit poseur. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063932) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: Demanding pit You should learn to read as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063946) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:15 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary You should study harder for standardized tests, so you aren't relegated to creating a moniker containing the name of an overrated, has-been football school that you attended for its "academics.". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063984) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: Dun orchestra pit to be fair, you're both very, very stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063991) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:17 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm No one attends ND for 'academics.' We attend by the grace of God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064000) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary It's certainly true that He loves all his children, and makes provisions for even the least capable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064027) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:22 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm Yep, that's why God created BC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064049) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:28 PM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe no Catholic loyalty - too bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064073) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: hilarious dragon BC football has routinely pwn#d ND, just so you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064087) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:38 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=faq;pid=5;d=all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064143) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:40 PM Author: hilarious dragon http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2002/11/02/bc_nd_ap/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064162) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:59 PM Author: hilarious dragon http://espn.go.com/ncf/1999/991120/recap/bbfnnx.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064318) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:04 AM Author: hilarious dragon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_War_(Boston_College_vs._Notre_Dame)
13 October 27, 2001 Chestnut Hill, MA Boston College 21 Notre Dame 17 14 November 2, 2002 South Bend, IN Boston College 14 Notre Dame 7 15 October 25, 2003 Chestnut Hill, MA Boston College 27 Notre Dame 25 16 October 23, 2004 South Bend, IN Boston College 24 Notre Dame 23
Stings, doesn't it? |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:12 AM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm Wait, are you trying to tell me BC has a football team? No way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064411) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:18 AM Author: hilarious dragon Which has routinely pwn#d Notre Dame!!!! HAHAHAHA! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064474) |
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Date: June 26th, 2006 12:24 PM Author: glassy arousing yarmulke I laughed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6074268) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:11 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm Yeah, I'll agree that he could move up after a couple years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063962) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Grizzly razzle-dazzle national Yeah there are some top firms like David Polk in NYC or OMM in CA that will still look at grades even after two or three years. If you aren't top 25% you have no fucking chance. It's like that at a lot of Vault 100 firms unfortunately. Grades still matter, even if you went to a top school.
I think the OP's best option is to get a government job or do an LLM and specialize in a specialized practice area. Then his LS grades won't matter that much, but right now he is seriously fucked and will likely end up a contract attorney doing document review. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary DPW is hardly an example of the sort of firm someone looks to lateral to from when they can't get BIGLAW. OMM as well, to a lesser extent. Let's keep the conversation relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063952) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:12 PM Author: Pink stag film pisswyrm He couldn't get into any decent LLM program, unfortunately. And for some reason everyone on this board thinks government jobs are easy to get, but they aren't at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6063968) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:27 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary Many are, many aren't. The word "government" is too broad to have this conversation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064070) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe Trial lawyers often do shitty in ls. If he can get into a DA's office and excel, a biglaw firm might pick him up later on -- those doc review dummies sure aren't learning how to communicate with juries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064080) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:33 PM Author: hilarious dragon Doc review dummies do learn how to run a major corporate litigation, though, which has very little to do with communicating with juries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064099) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe right, bc "litigators" never go to trial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064107) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:36 PM Author: hilarious dragon have you ever worked at a law firm? Almost every corporate case you do ends in settlement.
litigation includes motion practice and settlement, not just "communicating with juries." |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:37 PM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe i'm mocking the soi-disant litigators, dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064128) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:38 PM Author: hilarious dragon oh, sorry. I didn't get it. some people actually think that though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064145) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:35 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary In fact, it's routine for good PD's get picked up as well. And yes, TTT's get better experience early in their career than their betters. I am 4 years out, and am well-acquainted with how this sort of hiring works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064114) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:45 PM Author: hilarious dragon That experience is entirely useless in corporate litigation, which is what most vault law firms do. Your time as a PD is not going to help you at cravath. Doc review, as useless as it is, is at least somewhat relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064207) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:55 PM Author: big flushed sanctuary "Doc review, as useless as it is, is at least somewhat relevant."
No one gets hired because of doc review proficiency, fuckwit. They get hired because they have skills the other monkeys don't, and monkeys who cannot get BIGLAW out of law school aren't considered by Cravath regardless, unless by "considered" you mean spat upon. In the future, try using applicable examples, as it lends credibility to your posts. |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:57 PM Author: hilarious dragon Fine, PD experience isn't going to help you at Stroooooooooooooooooock.
Doc review is the first step towards doing motions and more substantive stuff. Everyone has to go through it. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:05 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary Do you understand what it means to post something responsive? Where did I say doc review isn't "the first step towards doing motions and more substantive stuff." I said people aren't hired because of their proficency in the area. These sorts of elementary errors are the reason you tanked the LSAT and will never be a good lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064366) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:08 AM Author: hilarious dragon How is any of that relevant?
PD experience will not help you get a biglaw job. They want people who had good grades, and you will have absolutely no advantage over a 3rd year associate who has done 2 years of doc review because you defended crackheads in state court. in fact, you will be very much behind, which will make it much less likely that you will get hired. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:10 AM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe look at the bios of the lawyers in your firm's trial department. and if your firm isn't capable of going to trial they're gonna get fucked every time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064396) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:13 AM Author: hilarious dragon "communicating with juries" is a skill that is required in perhaps 2% of cases that are taken up by large law firms.
Many fulltime partners at law firms never go to trial.
And those who do are handling matters that are so far removed from defending or prosecuting crack heads in state court that any experience doing that will be beyond useless.
PD / DA experience does not make up for bad grades, I'm sorry. And the arrogance you guys have over doc review people is totally misplaced. There is a reason why PDs and DAs get paid so poorly. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:16 AM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe Subject: There is a reason why PDs and DAs get paid so poorly. There's a reason schoolteachers get paid so poorly too, and IT'S THE SAME FUCKEN REASON: No one living off the taxpayer is going to get paid very well. |
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Date: June 26th, 2006 11:47 AM Author: pontificating karate Public school teachers typically make quite a bit more than private school teachers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6074027) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:13 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary Shhh, the 0L knows much more than the idiots who have actually worked in firms! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064424) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:15 AM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe he's got such a civil servant mentality he's never gonna make equity partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064438) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:16 AM Author: hilarious dragon Having IPGunner supporting your position should not make you feel confident in that position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064453) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:17 AM Author: Vibrant lay giraffe neither of you argues very well. you're both too invested in your positions and you don't do the simple research I suggested. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:20 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary I challenge you to find a flaw in anything I've said on this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064489) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:21 AM Author: hilarious dragon I admit it would be hard since you haven't said much at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064498) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:24 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary And you've certainly not refuted any of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064523) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:26 AM Author: hilarious dragon When someone says nothing, it is hard to say that they are wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064543) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:28 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary If you genuinely think that to be the case, your participation to this point is even more pathetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064552) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:34 AM Author: hilarious dragon You are so fucking stupid... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064590) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:20 AM Author: hilarious dragon None of the partners at my firm ever worked in the PD or the DAs office.
Here is the point you don't get. State experience is useless. You want trial experience law firms care about? Go to the U.S. Attorney's office. But guess what? You can't go there without BIGLaw experience and good grades. That's where the biglaw attorneys get their "communicating with juries" experience. As it turns out, though, that is perhaps the least important part of the job of being a litigator.
And experience at the U.S. Attorney's office is far from required, since most biglaw litigators never go to trial with a jury. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:26 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary Taking cases to jury is what is important. The 5th year who has never done this is at a considerable disadvantage compared to the 5th year who worked his first two years as a public defender and has seen 200 cases to jury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064542) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:28 AM Author: hilarious dragon This is wrong. Most all of your cases get settled before trial. If you need to go to trial, you get your US Attorney experienced partners to come in and do it.
This is why the law firms don't hire these people - why would you want a former PD or DA who had bad grades and irrellevant trial exeperience when you can have a former US Attorney who had good grades and is experienced in relevant areas? |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 7:42 AM Author: 180 clear piazza water buffalo Credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6066392) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:11 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary If you believe taking cases to jury is equivalent to document review, you are even stupider than I feared. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064406) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:15 AM Author: hilarious dragon If you think defending crackheads is a skill that law firms will over look bad grades for, you are as stupid as IPGunner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064440) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:16 AM Author: big flushed sanctuary "PD experience will not help you get a biglaw job."
You are an idiot. |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 12:23 AM Author: hilarious dragon If you have the grades this guy has, this is true. Not even Strooooooooooock will hire this guy unless he has connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064516) |
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Date: June 24th, 2006 11:43 PM Author: Shivering parlor No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6064185) |
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Date: June 25th, 2006 3:13 AM Author: Low-t Goal In Life Useless Brakes this is the right answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=441457&forum_id=2#6065764) |