George Allen lost his mind, used racial slur on camera
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:04 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
"I am pretty dissapointed in Senator George Allen right now.
First, information comes out that he owns stock in a company which makes the morning after pill, and now accusations are flying that he has made incredibly racist remarks.
If this video does surface, it could end Allen’s presidential chances, similar to Howard Dean’s scream. "
http://tooconservative.com/?p=903
from the comments:
I am a moderate Republican who first lived in Southwest VA when I arrived in America from India. I live in New York now and have always staunchly defended red state America in general and Virginia in particular from condescending White liberals. A great majority of Indian Americans appreciate the war on terror. Not just that but India is probably the only country whose majority population remains pro American. I consider VA my home in America, but today I am very disturbed. Someone please tell me Allen didn’t mean it. Honestly the evidence is damning.
—suresh
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440255) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:09 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
Telling an Indian-American, born in Fairfax County, "Welcome to America."
That might be even dumber than Biden's "Dunkin Donuts and Seven eleven" comment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440282) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:15 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
This is false.
Indian-Americans are fairly Democratic. Probably not as much as blacks, but definately moreso than hispanics.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440319) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:05 AM Author: galvanic glassy national persian
When I watched the video, I interpreted it as "Welcome to the real world," after he had been talking about how his opponent didn't get out among the people. On the WaPo link above, that's how he explained it in his apology.
I'll buy that. I still have no idea what a macaca is though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441082) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:12 AM Author: galvanic glassy national persian
Yeah. My initial read on it is that he'd maybe heard the word before, but didn't realize it was a racial slur. I would say similar to calling an Indian "Apu" or saying "Thank you very much" in a quickie-mart voice as opposed to calling them a "dot-curry" or whatever racial slurs are out there for Indians.
Either way it is definitely not good, but I really can't believe macaca is a word in common parliance among southern racists. Not apologizing for him, I think he's going to get a lot of well-deserved heat for the comment, just my take on exactly what it meant.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441144) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:17 AM Author: multi-colored center
I can see it either way. If his mother is Tunisian and this is a fairly common slur there, he may have picked it up from her, not knowing the term's origin.
At the same time, it does seem to be a term that gets around in some white supremacist circles (see Stormfront posts).
I just have a hard time believing that a politician, knowing that he's being video taped at a campaign stop, would knowingly direct a racial slur directly at the person doing his opponent's video taping.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441178) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:22 AM Author: galvanic glassy national persian
Yeah, I agree. The comment that got Trent Lott was somewhat indirect. It is close to unbelievable to think a potential presidential candidate would knowingly direct a racial slur at someone *he knows is taping him* on behalf of his opponent.
The thing with his mom doesn't sway me one way or the other. If you've seen Clerks II, think Randall and "porch monkey."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441223) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:32 AM Author: galvanic glassy national persian
In Clerks II, Randall's grandma always calls him a porch monkey, so he thinks it's just a generic term for people horsing around. While at work, one of his coworkers is horsing around, and he says something like "Quit being such a porch monkey" in front of a black family. When they storm out, he has no idea what is going on and somebody has to explain to him that it is a racial slur.
My opinion is that the "Welcome to America" was completely benign. The macaca was at least mean spirited, but I don't yet buy that he intentionally/knowingly used it as a racial slur.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441328) |
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Date: October 31st, 2006 8:58 PM Author: Territorial henna indian lodge Subject: Jesus Christ.
This is the dumbest thing that has ever been uttered in the history of human communication. The guy won the FUCKING NAVY CROSS IN VIETNAM.
What is it about politics right now that gives people the idea that they won't sound stupid when they start yammering despite the fact that they have no clue what they're talking about? O'Reilly? The barely literate President? I mean Colbert is not even an exaggeration. You people live completely detached from reality.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6895094) |
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Date: August 16th, 2006 2:34 AM Author: Ebony beady-eyed pozpig
-- The "macaca" comment doesn't look good though. --
I don't even know what the fuck that means.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448263) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:17 PM Author: Bateful Transparent Chad Selfie
LOL
i wouldnt have believed it if i hadnt seen it.
Its like out of a movie.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440331) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:23 PM Author: multi-colored center
What an asshole.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440353) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:27 PM Author: sexy point preventive strike
George Allen is a jerk, through and through.
I'd still vote for him if I agreed with anything he said, but he's still a fucking jerk.
Ask his siblings.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440376) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:26 PM Author: multi-colored center
This now counts as a "mohawk"?
http://www.raisingkaine.com/Images/sidarth.jpg
It's official, punk rock is dead.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440367) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 7:30 AM Author: ivory rigpig
180/4.0
full ride to yls, call me for more information
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442511) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 1:22 PM Author: galvanic glassy national persian
In the WaPo article, he described his haircut as a mullet. That doesn't look like a mullet either, maybe it is an old picture or he had his hair cut?
Shame, I was really looking forward to seeing a mullet on a non-redneck.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443693) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
If his noose hanging from a tree outside his office didn't kill his career, chances are the people don't give a fuck how implicitly or explicitly racist he is.
But someone people tell that faggot that nooses in the Western frontier were hung from gallows not trees - that is, if he cares to defend himself against allegations of being pro-lynching.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440389) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:33 PM Author: sexy point preventive strike
Oh, I am sure this will only strengthen his support in Southern Virginia. Those fucktards think that anyone with brown skin is a terrorist.
This is only a story in Northern Virginia, where the intensity of dislike for George Allen nearly matches that for Bush. Not that it will be enough to carry Webb to victory.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440414) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:32 PM Author: Khaki charismatic range multi-billionaire
Apparently I don't know enough racial slurs. What did he say? I didn't catch it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440405) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:33 PM Author: Sable impertinent market idea he suggested
WTF? Was the idiot drunk?
The video is already on YouTube so good luck to Allen's staffers in damage controlling this as having not happened. Ahh, the Internets.
But like Harrison mentioned earlier, this probably solidified the redneck vote.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440415) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:38 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
I don't know if you've ever lived in the South outside of Florida, but racism tends not to end political careers around these parts.
And anyone who would be offended by his use of racial slurs probably wouldn't have voted for him anyway.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440448) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:44 PM Author: Sable impertinent market idea he suggested
Did this video footage come from the Indian kid's camera?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440470)
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:54 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
yeah, this youtube phenom is pretty fucking cool. same with lieberman, he got punked a number of times by people with cameras. i wonder what kind of equipment they rock.
on the downside, it will make politicians even more uptight and fake.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440528) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:41 PM Author: copper boiling water school
What a dumb fuck. I hope a macaca pisses in his Dunkin Donuts coffee next week and he catches AIDS.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440461) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:42 PM Author: Concupiscible Station Private Investor
is this actually a racial slur? is it one george allen would know?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440464) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:00 PM Author: sexy point preventive strike
I'd never heard of it either.
Which makes me think anyone who has, and then uses it, knows its implications.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440572) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
Google Search: nigger+macaque
Source: Vanguard News Network Forum
Quote: "I watched the press conference they had when they caught the rampaging macaque. Niggy the Pinhead here put on a hilarious performance: "I's only bin shairf fo' a few munts..." it mumbled over & over, desperate to pass dat ol' buck. "I's bin foccusin' on securetee in de jail, but now I be foccussin' on de coathouse, know whum sayin'?"
It's all part of the forced-at-fed-gunpoint jewfarce of pretending that niggers have any bidness leading anything more complex than tribal grub-hunting expeditions."
Farther down in the same thread, another reader quoted the section with 'macaque,' made it bold face and replied as follows:
Source: Vanguard News Network Forum
Quote: "I watched the press conference they had when they caught the rampaging macaque. ...goddamn rapin, lootin', murderin', rampaging niggers, goddamn them all...
Soure: ACDC Forum
Quote: "Well, I have the same opinion too ... but sometimes we're referring to a "human-race" and so I was a bit surprised that in the US they don't call a nigger a nigger. Here in our dictionary dutch translation : neger = black citizen originating from africa ... And here there's nothing wrong with that word. Here the "niggers" call themselves "niggers" too .... so, I don't know why in the US this word is so negative ... maybe because of people there where using this word more in a way of insults towards black people. I think that black people where much more discriminated in the US than here (slavery, etc...). Every continent has it's own history ... Another example : here in Belgium when you want to insult an arab .... you would never say "arab" ... but use the words "macaque" or "bougnoul". I don't want to teach you guys how to insult an arab or motivate you to insult them ... I just want to say we use a "nickname" instead of using the name of the race. But of course if you would call them a "dirty arab" ... this is offending too.
Source: Stormfront White Pride World Wide
Quote: "I agree with you Gabor, "our" players sure don't look like they had Celts or Francs for ancestors. Football in France isn't sport it's politics, what the French avatar of ZOG wants is for us to admire niggers and sand niggers like Zidane so that we get used to being around untermenschen and accept the presence on our soil of the millions of "chance pour la France" that plague our lives. Didn't work this time though, une France macaque-bougnoule-blancgnoule pas question, jamais...Victory through superior intelligence!
Google Search: "racial slur"+macaque
Source: Vanguard News Network - Reader Letters
Quote: "What it's like in France these days...I see it's the same in America as in Europe. Here in France we got those niggers and arabs (quite the same thing as your coons, but muslims !!!) saying their hate of everything White. They own a lot of suburbs where the police cannot go anymore, white families are forced to flee or see their kids molested, racketted, their young daughters gang-raped in a basement. The liberals in the gov't and medias just pretend it's "far-right lies", that the bougnoules (an offensive name for the arabs here) are victims of our racism (though of course they get every welfare aid that exists), marxist judges let em roam free. Islam is conquering the country fast, now there are muslim meals in the schools, and in some places white children have to learn arab at school ! Rappers are the same as yours, proclaiming they will conquer everything, fuck the country, kill the whites, fuck every white woman they see. Ordinary citizens aren't allowed to own a gun and defend themselves. This week a white father was jailed because he shot the arab raper of his 12 year old daughter. Of course now, if an arab does the same, he'll be let free because his fellows boucaques (contraction of bougnoule and macaque) would threaten to burn everything. Police station are attacked and even burnt every week, ethnic arab gangs own rocket-launchers and kalashnikovs.
Google Search: "Original Dissent"+macaque
Source: Original Dissent
Quote: "FYI - friends of mine who are cops told me years ago that [Rodney] King is "red-flagged" in the system, meaning that if/when he is pulled over, sergeants (superior officers) are to be called to the scene immdiately, or he is to be let go if possilble. All to avoid the appearance of Sir Rodney being picked on. Don't want another riot you know. And the macaque has taken full advantage of this privilege."
Source: Original Dissent
Quote:"Bryant lacked the all-important street credibility, they said, and although the defining characteristics of "street cred" remain unclear, some said Bryant didn't match up to the appeal of Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady. Lying coward. We all know the only way to gain "street cred" with nigra gutter scum is to be just like them. That's why that ugly cornrowed thug Iverson has it while the well-tailored macaque-about-town Kobe doesn't. Keep it real, yo."
CONCLUSION
The term 'macaque'--also pronounced 'mukakkah'--is a commonly used racial slur on par with the word 'nigger' in the united states.
In Europe, the word 'macaque' is largely a racial slur used to insult people of North African descent. It is roughly synonomous with 'dirty arab.'
Most of the results that came back in these searches took me to well known white supremacy websites--and to posts from the past two or three years. So this is a phrase that is still in use.
Also returned where hundreds of 'ethnic slur' dictionaries online, all of which list this term as a 'Belgian' racial slur.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440598)
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: multi-colored center
At first I figured he couldn't have possibly been stupid enough to knowingly use a racial slur and thought he was just trying to make up a humorous foreign sounding name, but the fact that this is a pretty prevalent term on sites like Stormfront and the mother's Tunisian heritage makes me change my mind.
What a goddamned stupid good ol' boy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440588) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:43 PM Author: Marvelous hairy legs
If Allen loses the Indian-American vote in Virginia, he's fucked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440466) |
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Date: November 8th, 2006 8:59 PM Author: Grizzly irate plaza
SADLY YES
PWNED
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6952464) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:44 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
It's too bad Webb wasn't within 5 points of Allen prior to this week. This and the Barr connection could have made it a competetive race if spun correctly by the Dems. Maybe even been the lucky #6 we've been looking for.
But as it stands, with a 12-16 point lead, it's too little too late.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440469) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:13 PM Author: sexy point preventive strike
A lot can change, as we've seen.
Allen's biggest problem is that support for him in the Southeast corner of Virginia, which is densely populated by military voters, is shrinking. Or was, last time I heard.
They're prepared to support Webb. Whether or not they do, who knows?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440694) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
# August 14th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
As someone who is Indian, Republican, a huge Davis supporter, and (formerly) a casual Allen supporter, I am a little bit upset at Senator Allen and let me explain why. First of all, I do understand that we all make jokes and I am not advocating political correctness. I watch the Simpson’s just like everyone else and I can definitely take a good natured joke. I make fun of my own people all the time. But the problem here is that Senator Allen appears to be picking on someone in a mean and malicious way. He appears to be singling out this person in front of a crowd that is presumably mostly white and he thinks that this is going to somehow score him political points. Now, if Senator Allen were making fun of the guy cause he was a Webb staffer, that would be different. But he goes above and beyond that. In other words, it’s the tone, spirit, and context of the situation that has me upset.
I should add that Senator Allen was one of the first Senators to speak out in favor of renewing the Voting Rights Act this year. He has also been a co-sponsor of Hate Crimes legislation.
It’s not my place to judge whether Senator Allen is a racist or not. I don’t know his heart and unlike the left, I don’t believe in instinctively attributing all events to race or class. Political correctness is not what I am advocating here. But having said that, you can’t be dumb enough to say what Senator Allen said.
Our country and the GOP have both come a really, really long way when it comes to race relations. Thirty years ago, we sat at segregated tables. Today, many minorities own their own businesses. That can only happen in America, or “the city on a shining hill”, as President Reagan used to call it.
However, Senator Allen’s comments should remind everyone that you don’t just ask people for their vote. Rather, you have to earn it. Unfortunately, I will not be supporting Senator Allen in his bid for the US Senate, nor his bid for the Presidency. The fact is that the Senator has a staff that is incredibly arrogant, to put it kindly. I can’t tell you how many Republicans I know that feel that way. Also, the Senator comes across, as one of my good GOP friends from New York likes to say, as a person who is ” as genuine as a three dollar bill”. I know Senator Allen loves to use football analogies. The Senator may think he scored a touchdown with his conservative base when he made those unfortunate remarks. Unfortunately, the reality is that he threw an ill timed interception- one that may cost him dearly in the 2008 Super Bowl that is the Presidential election.
—Terpsfan4life
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440510) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 10:59 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
I love their explanation. Uh, it's cause his hair looks like a mohawk. Yeah, that's the ticket!
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/sidarth.jpg
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440563) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
The big mistake with dumb explanations like that is that it combines humor with good visuals with massive fuckups and the media loves that. you and i can make the clip on msnbc or cnn right now:
show allen saying the stupid shit. quote explanation in text on screen. show picture of kid. Get staffer who said the stupid explanation on the phone and ask them REALLY? Text at bottom of screen says Mohawk? Looping video of allen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440705) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: copper boiling water school
I wonder if Allen is now seeking Bobby Jindal's endorsement.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440581) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: Stirring Flirting Hall Police Squad
Oh for fuck sakes. BIG FUCKING DEAL.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440734) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:22 PM Author: Autistic Senate Bbw
The video busted me up. LOL @ fucking moron repubs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440760) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: Laughsome Gas Station
This seems overblown.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440766) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:37 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
It's not good news for him. And I disagree. It may matter. Scandals have their own internal momentum and effect. Like say someone gets caught playing pernicky when they should be studying. Most people don't give a fuck about this issue. But if it gets played 24/7 for a few weeks, then all of a sudden people think that everyone cares about the issue and they start to feign caring. After a while, they do care. And it makes them nervous that their guy is being laughed at for being a pernicky playing cretin.
I concede that Allen may well still win re-election. But he will never be president if this plays big.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440859) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:39 PM Author: Laughsome Gas Station
You're right about the creation of a scandal that people don't really care about. I just don't think this will get the kind of play in the media that that requires.
Also, lol @ "may still win reelection"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440895) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:14 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
i was thinking of a japanese game, but i have to share this google result:
(The late) John Pernicky and his friend, (the late) Sal Hawkins,
of the great state of Washington, decided to attend a local
Metallica concert at the George Washington amphitheater.
Having no tickets (but having had 18 beers between them), they
thought it would be easy to hop over the nine-foot fence and
sneak into the show. They pulled their pick-up truck over to the
fence and the plan was for (the late) Mr. Pernicky (who was 100
pounds heavier than Mr. Hawkins) to hop the fence and then assist
his friend over. Unfortunately for (the late) Mr. Pernicky,
there was a 30-foot drop on the other side of the fence.
Having heaved himself over, he found himself crashing through a
tree. His fall was abruptly halted (and broken, along with his
arm, as it were) by a large branch that snagged him by his
shorts. Dangling from the tree with a broken arm, he looked down
and saw some bushes below him. (Possibly) figuring the bushes
would break his fall, he removed his pocket knife and proceeded
to cut away his shorts to free himself from the tree.
Finally free, Mr. Pernicky crashed into Holly bushes. The sharp
leaves scratched his ENTIRE body and now without the protection
of his shorts, a Holly branch penetrated his rectal cavity. To
make matters worse (?), on landing, his pocket knife penetrated
his thigh 3-inches. (The late) Mr. Hawkins, on seeing his friend
in considerable pain and agony, decided to throw him a rope and
pull him to safety (now he thinks of the S word) by tying the
rope to the pick-up truck and slowly driving away. However, in
his drunken haste/state, he put the truck into reverse and
crashed through the fence, falling 30 feet in the truck and
landing on his friend and killing him.
Police arrived to find the crashed pick-up with its driver
thrown 100-feet from the truck and dead at the scene from
massive internal injuries. Upon moving the truck, they found
John under it, half-naked with scratches on his body, a holly
stick in his rectum, a knife in his thigh, and his shorts
dangling from a tree branch 25-feet in the air.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443281) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:31 PM Author: cyan parlor
macaca is a genus name for the old world monkeys
he shoulda just called him one of the rhesus pieces.
or george might be into new music.
http://www.macacamulatta.com/
george: camel jockey was available. we also called them "goomers" when I was a kid. why macaca?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440815) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:46 PM Author: Unholy Canary Base Fortuitous Meteor
This wouldn't be such a big deal if it weren't for the fact that Allen already has a very weird history regarding race, as pointed out by TNR a few months ago.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440943) |
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Date: August 14th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: Unholy Canary Base Fortuitous Meteor
There were a few things. The noose was one.
He also wore a Confederate flag lapel pin in his high school yearbook ... in Los Angeles. (He didn't move to Virginia until he transferred from UCLA to UVa). I'm not gonna judge a guy based on his high school politics, but it does show a long-standing affection for the Old South, even before he was a Southerner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440974) |
Date: August 14th, 2006 11:50 PM Author: Cruel-hearted mad cow disease
this just proves that all republicans are racists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6440975) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 12:28 AM Author: Mischievous Brunch Codepig
George Allen the Poster's apparent refusal to condemn his namesake's calumny is the mark of a true hack. But he can redeem himself yet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441280) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:45 AM Author: french razzmatazz theatre dog poop
Wait, I can classify the argument, too.
Surely you don't think a single isolated slip of the tongue of a term that the entire English-speaking world needed a dictionary to determine whether it was actually insulting is on equal moral footing with a deliberate and systematic attempt by liberals in this country to subjugate minorities to the majority indefinitely and force them to rely upon the generosity of the ethnic majority rather than upon their own abilities in a massive force of deceptive paternalism?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441470) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:57 AM Author: Mischievous Brunch Codepig
Yes, misleading diction is fun. Your use of "subjugate" is hilariously unsubtle and just plain wrong. As I recall, African Americans were behind the original affirmative action measures and continue to be behind them. You can't "subjugate" yourself to something. I guarantee you if the leaders of the black & hispanic communities called for an end to affirmative action, it wouldn't last a month. Or do you mean to say that minorities don't know what's good for them and are demeaning themselves by relying on the crutch of "deceptive paternalism"? If so, that's an amusingly marxist notion.
As for an "isolated slip of tongue": well, first it's not isolated. It's the latest in a series of unsettling incidents in the life of Mr. Allen, beginnign with his donning of a confederate flag pin in high school and continuing through his political career. Even if it were an isolated slip of the tongue, it would still be worse than affirmative action, however, because the word and presumably the thoughts behind it--however transient--carry no sentiment but distate and even contempt, without a hint of well-meaning to them, without even a misguided aspiration to racial harmony or the redress of wrongs. Affirmative Action, for all its problems, has these aspirations and that is why your comparison reeks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441552) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 1:00 AM Author: french razzmatazz theatre dog poop
You can't "subjugate" yourself to something.
O RLY? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441568) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:31 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
well, not only not to condemn, but not to defend, not to engage. It's pretty obvious that he knows that Allen pwn3d himself and is wishing it would all go away.
In related news, I pwn3d George Allen the poster.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441313) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 12:48 AM Author: orchid bawdyhouse
Indian dood should have head-butted him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441492) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 1:08 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
My work here is done. Thank you all.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6441617) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 8:12 AM Author: vermilion spectacular stead
does he look a whole lot like alec baldwin in this clip, or is it just me?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442519) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 8:22 AM Author: Laughsome Gas Station
Frontpageofthepostpwn3d. The problem with this kind of thing is it's a one-time thing that's hard to keep giving play if he apologizes. It's like, remember that time 2 months ago when Allen used some kind of bizarre ethnic slur? Yeah, vote for Webb because of that!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442525) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 8:29 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
yep, the webb campaign has to exploit it correctly for it to have any staying power. the good news is that apparently Allen is off to a shitty start on damage control.
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442532) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 9:25 AM Author: ivory rigpig
Love the way the macaca handles this:
"I think he was doing it because he could, and I was the person of color there and it was useful for him in inciting his audience," Mr. Sidarth told us. "I'm disgusted he would use my race in a political context."
Calm but reproachful
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442601) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 9:01 AM Author: exciting international law enforcement agency trump supporter
JFC, what a fucknut.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442561) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 9:27 AM Author: exciting international law enforcement agency trump supporter
I have nothing against the poster, but his defense is retarded. "well, we have racism like AA, so being an out and out racist is cool by me."
Hell, I would have thought Allen was a big jerk if the dood was white and he was like "jimbob or whatever his name is."
Then throw in that he used a racist remark in a malicious manner and said "welcome to america" to him a few times. Its mindboggling.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442605) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 9:53 AM Author: exciting international law enforcement agency trump supporter
I don't know. I can see this as one of those things that doesn't change anybody's mind.
On the other hand it's completely indefensible. Even believing MDH's scenario above, its nowhere close to the clerk's scenario, because in the clerk's scenario the dood didn't know the term had anything to do with race. In the Allen scenario, that's totally unbelievable. He may have thought it was an okay term to use (maybe something like calling an african american black) but the way he used it would have been totally unacceptable even if that was the case. You don't call someone "blackie, or whatever your name is" and think that's, you know, cool. ever. That's not even really so much of an issue or racism as much as it is just being a respectful human fucking being.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442642) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 10:01 AM Author: ivory rigpig
No, even using the PC term, this is off off off.
"Let's give a welcome to the African American guy, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442660)
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Date: August 15th, 2006 9:57 AM Author: vivacious step-uncle's house hominid
The problem is, only about 1% of the country will hear and care about this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442652) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 10:18 AM Author: Unholy Canary Base Fortuitous Meteor
Biden's remark, while insensitive, wasn't really racist. Turn on The Simpsons and you'll an extended version of that same joke almost every afternoon.
Romney's explanation for his remark -- that he meant the Big Dig was a "sticky mess" -- makes sense given the context, even if the term does have nasty racial connotations (which he concievably didn't know of). His sentence wouldn't make any sense if he had meant "tar baby" as a racial slur.
Dean's remark, while un-PC and ill-advised, isn't racist at all. The GOP is disproportionately white, and hotel staffs are disproportionately black and Hispanic.
Steele's opponents pelting him with Oreos is disgusting, and should've received more coverage than it did. I suspect the reason it didn't is because Americans are less sensitive about black-on-black racial stereotyping than they are about white-on-black racial stereotyping. Which makes sense.
Allen just flat-out called an Indian American kid a racial slur. It's an obscure term, but one which he has every reason to know given his background. I'm not sure if it'll get more coverage than the other stuff, but it should -- especially given his weirdo history on race.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442714) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 11:38 AM Author: blathering stimulating kitchen background story
steele wasn't pelted with oreos and you know this, man.
at the absolute worst, an oreo "rolled to his feet" while he was in the audience, and we only have steele's word for that. republicans have made it sound like it was oreo dresden.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443092) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 10:06 AM Author: Heady heaven
Shit, why couldn't this have happened after Allen got the presidential nomination?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442671) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 10:32 AM Author: ivory rigpig
Ok, I just scanned this thread. it appears the poster George Allen truly is not responding to any of Calm's posts. Hysterical shit, that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442772) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 10:50 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
Allow me to translate:
I am tired of getting constantly punked by Calm, so I have invented a bullshit rule to avoid this happening in the future.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442837) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 11:19 AM Author: Balding Candlestick Maker
Still tame as shit compared with that crazy Congresswoman bitch from Georgia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6442987) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:18 PM Author: Mischievous Brunch Codepig
"Just Monkeying Around?"
"Hakuna Macaca?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443306) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 1:39 PM Author: ivory rigpig
Hakuna Macaca.
priceless
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443778) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 11:56 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
Conclusion: George Allen Used A White Power Word In A Stump Speech:
George Allen's used 'macaca' at his campaign stop (1) consciously, (2) specifically in order to signal to people who knew what it meant, and (3) with the goal of showing that he was not intimidated by the staffer from his opponent's campaign attending his campaign events.
The entire statement was designed to humiliate the person in question by drawing attention to them and insulting them mwith a coded racial slur--all with the intention of showing confidence in response to intimidation from his opponent.
It is likely that George Allen did not believe many people would understand what was being said, except for 'insiders' already familiar with the word 'macaca.'
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/15/94735/7232
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443182) |
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Date: August 15th, 2006 12:29 PM Author: plum nighttime roommate
i suspect allen and people working with him on his campaign had adopted the word macaca as a private nickname for this kid and he let it slip out.
they probably consult vanguard and stormfront for insight into what the "real world" thinks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443366) |
Date: August 15th, 2006 11:58 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
Also interesting, apparently in Virginia, Macaca is a wellknown slur:
I did my grad studies at Duke. In one of my classes, there were 3 chinese students, myself (Indian male, foreign student), one Indian girl and one white male. This WM person was from Virginia. His family had a construction business there. That's about what I know about this person. After a midterm test, the instructor gave us our graded answer sheets. When the class was over, we were all talking about the test. This person from Virginia turned to me and said "How did the macaca do?" I was shocked and so was the Indian girl in the class. I let it go. As the course progressed, it was clear that he was not keeping up his grades and the more he seemed to perform poorly, the more aggressive and racist he got towards all of us in the class. He frequently referred to me as "the macaca" and "the monkey". Did I say he was from Virginia?
Now fast forward 2 years. I was travelling in Virginia and West Virginia with other grad students from Duke (mostly Indian, male, foreign students). We were coming out of a convenience store (gas station) near Wheeling. Two white males in a pick-up truck saw us, and started shoouting at us. Initially we couldn't figure what they were saying. Then it was clear that they were insulting us and I heard "macaca" among the slurs thrown at us (with a good measure of "go back to your country").
From my experience, it seems to me that it is quite possible that "macaca" is a racial slur used by some groups (perhaps in VA and WV) against black/brown skinned people.
One other thing. That racist in my class? He dropped out of the course and quit his grad studies and went back to Virginia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6443191) |
Date: August 16th, 2006 2:02 AM Author: Jade nibblets
The video made the Daily Show. Hilarious.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448093) |
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Date: August 16th, 2006 3:12 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
http://www.virginiacentrist.com/2006/08/thank-god-george-allen-will-never-be.html
George Allen just sealed it - he'll never be President. He just called an Indian guy a monkey. Or something. Then he welcomed him to America. The guy was born in America, but since he wasn't white, I guess Allen got confused. Happens to everyone...who hangs out by burning crosses...
He'll probably still be a Presidential candidate - a candidate named George "Isn't he that racist guy?" Allen. And I'll be laughing the entire time, as political pundits repeat the phrase, "But Allen has a race problem" over and over and over in 2007. Wow that will be fun to watch! Almost as good as the Superbowl.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448376) |
Date: August 16th, 2006 2:33 AM Author: Ebony beady-eyed pozpig
-- He said the word sounds similar to "mohawk," a term that his campaign staff had nicknamed Sidarth because of his haircut. Sidarth said his hairstyle is a mullet -- tight on top, long in the back. --
Yes, mullets are much more respectable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448255)
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Date: August 16th, 2006 5:04 AM Author: thriller really tough guy
He's 2nd generation. Meaning absolutely no Apu accent.
I'm an dot Indian with the slightest bit of a Southern drawl, so it's possible that he might have one - but it's pretty goddamn rare.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448682) |
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Date: August 16th, 2006 5:07 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
yeah, i just watched the situation room video that i posted above. unfortunately, he has no southern accent, sounds like typical american suburban kid.
edit: by the way, i didn't think there was a chance in hell that the kid would have the apus, but was rooting for him to have a southern accent.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6448687) |
Date: August 16th, 2006 11:19 AM Author: out-of-control dilemma hissy fit
sometimes i wonder whether 70-80% of republican leaders actually mean the crazy shit they keep saying, or whether it is all a satirical act of mass performance art.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6449240) |
Date: August 16th, 2006 2:54 PM Author: Spruce Rough-skinned Box Office
This is pretty pathetic that this is all you people have to hang your hats on. This story has no traction - nobody in Virginia (or anywhere else) knows what the fuck a "macaca" is. Allen will still win easily in November. Will he ever be President? Probably not, but it won't have anything to do with this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6450346) |
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Date: August 17th, 2006 1:34 AM Author: lemon death wish telephone
you're PROBABLY right.
http://flapsblog.com/?p=3269
But for someone who was talked up as a presidential contender, this is a huge shot to the nuts. hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6454028) |
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Date: November 1st, 2006 7:15 AM Author: Grizzly irate plaza
"This is pretty pathetic that this is all you people have to hang your hats on. This story has no traction - nobody in Virginia (or anywhere else) knows what the fuck a "macaca" is. Allen will still win easily in November. Will he ever be President? Probably not, but it won't have anything to do with this."
O RLY?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6897802) |
Date: August 17th, 2006 1:56 AM Author: rambunctious adventurous native goal in life
wheres redsox on this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6454152) |
Date: August 17th, 2006 9:31 AM Author: Odious ticket booth philosopher-king
Well, I guess the strategy of following him around everywhere with a video camera is paying dividends.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6455070) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2006 8:41 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Cerise Roast Beef
Only six?
Jesus, Virginia's racist.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6492091) |
Date: August 24th, 2006 3:39 PM Author: curious doobsian whorehouse
Larry Sabato says macaca and Iraq will be the two biggest issues in the campaign from here on out--and that macaca will be bigger than the war.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=27280&pid=1459
Politics Prof. Larry Sabato predicted the war in Iraq will serve as a key issue during both debates, second only to Allen's "macaca" guffaw. While the Iraq war had been the focal point of much of the campaign season, Allen's remarks to Sidarth, who was following the Allen campaign as a volunteer for Webb at a campaign rally in southwestern Virginia, may be significantly contributing to the increasingly tight race. Allen apologized personally to Sidarth on Tuesday.
"That [comment] is something that is just not going to fade," Sabato said. "Allen apologized to our student, but it's too little too late. After a whole series of non-apology apologies and contradictory excuse-making from his campaign, this is awfully late -- and is a permanent part of the campaign."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6495690) |
Date: October 26th, 2006 9:21 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
:(
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6865246) |
Date: October 31st, 2006 8:02 PM Author: lemon death wish telephone
Timely bump.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6894698) |
Date: October 31st, 2006 8:12 PM Author: trip field
I am predicting that Allen will end up winning by three points.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6894762) |
Date: November 8th, 2006 12:36 AM Author: thriller really tough guy
:)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6945425) |
Date: November 8th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: flickering at-the-ready keepsake machete
Totally, completely self-pwn#d.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6952452) |
Date: November 10th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: wonderful garrison
Guys at my high school did this all the time. Its no big deal.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#6964846) |
Date: July 1st, 2007 10:37 PM Author: Jade nibblets
Never forget!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#8324638) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 12:18 AM Author: Bronze brethren
what a truly massive selfpwning this was.
i enjoyed it thoroughly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#8325107)
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Date: February 9th, 2008 4:46 PM Author: thriller really tough guy
End of conservatism in America pwned
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=473220&forum_id=2#9298718) |
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