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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:05 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: STARTED POSTING LATE-2002 Date: September 27th, 2005 8:42 PM Author: Rowan
No. I started posting in late 2002.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=267988&forum_id=2#3919337 )
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Date: August 25th, 2006 6:19 PM Author: brilliant house telephone Damn you don't cut any corners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6501885) |
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Date: June 17th, 2007 3:20 PM Author: Sapphire School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8266471) |
Date: August 21st, 2006 2:05 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: DIDN'T GET HIT ON AFTER 1L Date: September 14th, 2005 9:49 PM Author: Rowan
I got hit on occasionally during 1L, and not at all after that. That was fine by me, though, and I didn't really go to law school parties after 1L in any case.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=259401&forum_id=2#3824008 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:06 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS SUNBURNED AT SUNSET Date: January 10th, 2006 4:13 PM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!)
I can and have burned at sunset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=336618&forum_id=2#4781948 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:07 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: RARELY SHOPS AT BANANA REPUBLIC
Date: June 16th, 2005 8:24 PM Author: Rowan
No. I very rarely shop at banana.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=200081&forum_id=2#3034320 )
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Date: September 14th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: Fragrant Nudist Striped Hyena this made me laugh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6614253) |
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Date: August 31st, 2008 8:56 PM Author: Cobalt insecure bbw sanctuary ROFL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#10115496) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:07 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: NOT A MORNING PERSON Date: May 11th, 2006 9:10 PM Author: Rowan
No, that would be horrible. I'm so not a morning person. How do you like your hours? Are they 8-8?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=415253&forum_id=2#5767829 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:08 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: HAS A HOTMAIL E-MAIL ADDRESS Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:14 PM Author: Rowan
My email address is rowan_pr@hotmail.com, but I make no promises that I will actually read it. I don't think I ever got around to reading poor NASC's (sorry NASC).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=310278&forum_id=2#4439654 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:08 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: HER ALLEGED PICTURE Date: February 10th, 2006 2:15 AM Author: pacta cum daemonibus
http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=AYKUNRN&key=QLN
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=356946&forum_id=2#5045249 )
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Date: September 14th, 2006 5:29 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: ANOTHER ALLEGED PICTURE Date: September 14th, 2006 5:00 PM Author: Internets Do Not Forget
Are you talking about this picture http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1174/735rowhlsks0.gif ?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=488717&forum_id=2#6613956 )
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Date: May 21st, 2007 3:02 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: PICTURES OF ROWAN http://www.hidebehind.com/C2E30F http://www.hidebehind.com/8B8BA2
See: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=634675&forum_id=2#8146525 and http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=634675&forum_id=2#8146923 |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:09 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: HER LOOKS ARE AVG. TO BELOW AVG. Date: January 5th, 2006 1:15 PM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!)
I think I'm average, probably below average in some respects. I don't really think "ugly", though it doesn't really bother me if other people do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=333518&forum_id=2#4740823 )
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Date: September 13th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: 5'5", 120 LBS., NORMAL TITS Date: September 13th, 2006 4:36 PM Author: Rowan
5'5, 120 pounds (I'd like to lose 10), normal tits, I work out a few times a week but am not one of those people who lives at the gym or anything. Nothing very interesting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=488717&forum_id=2#6607839 )
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Date: September 13th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: citrine gaming laptop space I appreciate your rounding down my weight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6608148) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:09 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE GOT SOME B's IN LAW SCHOOL HER LOWEST 1L GRADES
Date: April 3rd, 2006 11:29 PM Author: Rowan
B+, Civ Pro, Contracts, Property
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=393470&forum_id=2#5506887 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:10 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS A SOMEWHAT COMMON NAME Date: November 18th, 2005 6:03 PM Author: Rowan
I'm not sure where people got that idea. My actual first name isn't particularly strange or uncommon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=301252&forum_id=2#4326132 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:10 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: CLASS OF 2005 (at least for the bar) Date: November 18th, 2005 8:20 PM Author: Scrummie2 (I get older, they stay the same age...yes they do)
Yeah, I see you're on the list. Congrats!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=301252&forum_id=2#4327339 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:11 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: FOLLOW UP Date: January 16th, 2006 1:26 PM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!) Yes, I took it in July and passed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=340518&forum_id=2#4832105 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:11 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: BOYFRIEND IS/WAS AN ENGLISH TEACHER Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:09 PM Author: Rowan
He's an english teacher.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=310278&forum_id=2#4439624 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:27 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: HE WANTS TO BE AN ADMINISTRATOR Date: January 10th, 2006 12:59 AM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!)
I have no idea what his SAT scores were - he took the test like 15 years ago, why the hell would I ask him that? He went to a decent college (or at least one I'd heard of before I met him) and I believe was getting As in some science major before he decided to switch over to a liberal arts one. He likes being a teacher. It's a good fit for his personality and interests, and he's planning to be an administrator someday.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=336358&forum_id=2#4778637 )
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Date: May 17th, 2007 2:17 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: ROWAN NO LONGER HAS THAT BOYFRIEND Date: May 17th, 2007 10:29 AM Author: sarcaschtick
wait, you and bf broke up?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=633112&forum_id=2#8130088 )
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Date: May 17th, 2007 10:31 AM Author: Rowan
Yup.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=633112&forum_id=2#8130094 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:12 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: PROBABLY A HLS ALUM Date: March 22nd, 2006 10:56 AM Author: Rowan (daywalker)
People in Gropius seem to eat in the Hark fairly often. Maybe 4-5 times a week? I don't know many people who had every meal there, but it's an easy place to grab lunch or dinner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=384691&forum_id=2#5397825)
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:12 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: WORKS AT A "TOP 20" FIRM Date: October 9th, 2005 9:54 PM Author: ...mobiusnu... (Unum saltum et siffletum et unum bumbulum)
"Top 20. That's as far as I'll narrow it down." All right, boys and girls. That means we only have to search 20 firms with Harvard chosen as the law school. And only searching NYC will cut that a little more.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275091&forum_id=2#4010339 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:13 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: CLAIMED NOT TO BE LISTED ON BIO PAGE Date: January 26th, 2006 2:34 AM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!)
I'm not listed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=346625&forum_id=2#4911262 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:13 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: FOLLOW UP Date: January 26th, 2006 2:35 AM Author: Rowan (Red Pride!)
I passed the bar exam. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm admitted to practice. Not all firms list first year associates, even those who are admitted to the bar. Some don't list junior people at all, and many don't give any details about them. I wouldn't waste too much time looking for me, I won't be up anytime soon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=346625&forum_id=2#4911271 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:14 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: STARTED WORK IN FALL 2005 Date: December 2nd, 2005 12:56 PM Author: Rowan
A few months, I haven't really started on it yet...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=310278&forum_id=2#4439550 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:15 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: POSSIBLE UNDERGRAD IN MINNESOTA Date: March 29th, 2006 8:54 PM Author: Rowan (daywalker)
College. It was nice then, but I don't think I'll move back. Ok, I guess. I don't really evalute the quality of women in a given city.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=389790&forum_id=2#5460273 )
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Date: October 5th, 2006 3:35 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: ROWAN LIVED IN MINNEAPOLIS Date: October 5th, 2006 2:58 PM Author: Rowan
Yes, I've lived in Minneapolis.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=500617&forum_id=2#6734010 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:15 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE GAVE UP THE DREAM OF ENVIROMENTAL LAW SHE GAVE UP THE DREAM OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAW
Date: February 24th, 2006 1:39 PM Author: Rowan (daywalker)
I talked to an actual lawyer. He laughed at me. He explained that people who defend the environment do not work in firms, that environmental lawyers in big firms tend to work for the companies, and that if I wanted to work in a firm for big companies that was fine but that I shouldn't narrow it down to one specialty right away. He was right.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5173989 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:20 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE'S NOW A CORPORATE TRANSACTIONAL LAWYER Date: February 24th, 2006 1:41 PM Author: Rowan (daywalker)
No, definitely not. I'm doing corporate transactional law. At some point after that conversation, and for totally unrelated reasons, I realized that I work a lot better with business types than with activist types. And to be honest, I'm not up for living on a public interest salary - that's one of the reasons why my lawyer acquaintence was laughing at me.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=367155&forum_id=2#5174007 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:21 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SOMETIMES SHE DOESN'T LIKE BEING HELPFUL Date: October 9th, 2005 10:02 PM Author: Rowan
Nah, I just stopped feeling like being helpful.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275091&forum_id=2#4010425 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:22 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: BUT SOMETIMES SHE LIKES REVERSE-COWGIRL Date: September 7th, 2005 8:09 PM Author: Rowan
A difficult position, but one that can be fun once in awhile. The quality of the fucking varies greatly with the dick and the guy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=254664&forum_id=2#3767814 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:23 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: AND SHE'S MORE OF A SCREAMER THAN A TALKER Date: September 7th, 2005 8:15 PM Author: Rowan
I'm pretty loud, but I tend to be more of a screamer than a talker.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=254664&forum_id=2#3767876 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:23 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE SOUNDS LIKE THIS... Date: September 7th, 2005 8:19 PM Author: Rowan
Ohhhh ohhhh mmmmmm oh my god, oh my fucking god, ahhhhhhhhhh AHHHHHHHHH, fuck me harder, AHHH AHHH AHHHH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=254664&forum_id=2#3767912 )
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Date: August 30th, 2006 10:05 AM Author: Insane business firm mood *Begins to find thread interesting* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6525053) |
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Date: September 26th, 2006 9:48 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE SHOULD BE AWAKENED WITH HEAVY LICKING Date: September 26th, 2006 12:53 PM Author: Rowan
I'm ok being woken up in the morning, or from a nap. If someone wakes me up after I've just fallen asleep, I'm generally pretty crabby and he needs to do some serious licking to make it worth it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=495568&forum_id=2#6679591 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:24 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SAYS SHE DOESN'T WORK AT MILBANK Date: September 30th, 2005 10:48 PM Author: Rowan
I've started work. It's not at Milbank. So I guess the answer is no?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=269969&forum_id=2#3942933 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:24 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS A 42" TV AND TIVO Date: April 15th, 2006 8:24 PM Author: Rowan
I have RCN, which has a very similar HD-DVR and HDTV package. DVR is definitely worth the money if you're a lawyer. Apparently the previous tenant screwed over Time Warner, and they refused to deal with me unless I went to their offices with ID. Mine is 42 - I figured that a 50 inch screen would be so big that it might not fit in future apartments. But don't carry it upstairs - have it delivered!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=400218&forum_id=2#5587854 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:25 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SAID SHE WOULDN'T POST MUCH FROM WORK Date: August 25th, 2005 2:39 AM Author: Rowan
I'm probably not going to post very much. I have a strict rule against posting at work and didn't have any trouble follwing as a summer, and I'm guessing I'll be busier as an associate. I might or might not stop by sometimes in my off hours.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=246526&forum_id=2#3672258 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 2:26 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE THREATENED TO RETIRE
Date: October 9th, 2005 10:01 PM Author: Rowan
No. Not anytime soon. But thanks, I think it is time for me to retire. Fuck all of you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=275091&forum_id=2#4010408 )
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Date: August 21st, 2006 3:13 AM Author: Heady jet-lagged point she has nice tits, i think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477332) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 3:26 AM Author: Twinkling keepsake machete flat as a 5 year old (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477349) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 3:51 AM Author: Heady jet-lagged point we're in agreement, then, that she has nice tits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477373) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 3:32 AM Author: vibrant aquamarine codepig giraffe Compile the facts into a dossier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477355) |
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Date: August 21st, 2006 5:07 AM Author: Vigorous Indigo Market creepy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477479) |
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Date: August 25th, 2006 12:03 PM Author: outnumbered gaped legal warrant people who are hurt She is hideous, I feel sorry for her boyfriend. No wonder he is so hesitant to marry her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6499691) |
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Date: August 25th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: slimy territorial kitty This really is the weirdest place on the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6501917) |
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Date: August 25th, 2006 6:31 PM Author: wonderful address travel guidebook Can these assholes explain why they want to chase away one of this board's best posters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6501951) |
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Date: August 25th, 2006 6:32 PM Author: brilliant house telephone I think only Azn guys like her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6501958) |
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Date: August 25th, 2006 6:48 PM Author: Coral center Your schtick sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6502012) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch You're confused. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6520920) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 4:55 PM Author: Coral center Makes more sense if I switch to this weak moniker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6520934) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:00 PM Author: exciting son of senegal nursing home I'm surprised that given all this info, and her likely pic, you haven't found a link to her bio at a firm webpage yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6520972) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:07 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Hence the mystery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521031) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:09 PM Author: dull azn many (possibly most) of the top ny firms don't post pics of associates. a lot of firms don't get the bios up on the public websites until you've been there over a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521046) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: amber glittery sneaky criminal pit yeah, it's probably just not up yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521056) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: dull azn most likely won't include a pic even when it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521061) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: Bateful Erotic Wrinkle it would hurt their business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521072) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: exciting son of senegal nursing home hasn't she been at her firm a year by now? Bios should be up... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521065) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:13 PM Author: dull azn i always thought she was 05, meaning no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521075) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: exciting son of senegal nursing home If she graduated '05 then she would be at her firm like 11 or 12 months by now. I'm pretty sure she didn't clerk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521084) |
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Date: August 29th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: galvanic shivering boltzmann lay Hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6521012) |
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Date: August 30th, 2006 6:41 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE CLAIMS TO NOT PISS IN THE SHOWER Date: August 29th, 2006 10:50 PM Author: Rowan
Despite the headline, I don't and don't really understand why people do. Maybe it's easier for penis people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=480875&forum_id=2#6523089 )
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Date: August 31st, 2006 4:02 PM Author: electric embarrassed to the bone national Subject: She was also Bad Idea Bear. Date: August 31st, 2006 3:59 PM Author: Rowan
Yeah. I got bored with it [the Bad Idea Bear schtick] pretty quickly, though, I'm surprised people remember it was around at all since it didn't last long.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=481843&forum_id=2#6533511
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Date: August 31st, 2006 4:05 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE WAS A BOARD VILLAIN Date: August 31st, 2006 4:02 PM Author: Rowan
I've been here since 2002, which is really sad.
Since mid-late 2003 I've been was Bad Idea Bear, a fairly well-known villain that I'm not going to disclose, and impostered a few people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=481843&forum_id=2#6533538 )
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Date: August 31st, 2006 4:10 PM Author: cheese-eating den I really really like this thread, and the schtick who started it. I am more amused by the posts and the obvious work that went into them than I have been in a while here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6533605) |
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Date: August 31st, 2008 9:20 PM Author: Cobalt insecure bbw sanctuary Agreed. This thread is surefire 1-fucking-80 material. The OP's moniker is hilarious too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#10115539) |
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Date: August 31st, 2006 7:15 PM Author: saffron theater reads anne rice http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14646&forum_id=2#23713 |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 7:57 PM Author: Fighting underhanded church building Subject: WAS A WITCH ONE YEAR FOR HALLOWEEN I just remember this from the HLS central pic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6735472) |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 8:01 PM Author: idiotic volcanic crater http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6477103 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6735492) |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 8:03 PM Author: Fighting underhanded church building Yes, we all saw the picture, but we needed TEXT, dammit, TEXT!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6735510) |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 9:12 PM Author: bearded hilarious lodge dopamine I read a while back that she was once engaged but the wedding got called off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6736024) |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 9:12 PM Author: dull azn really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6736030) |
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Date: October 5th, 2006 9:21 PM Author: bearded hilarious lodge dopamine i read this a number of years ago. the wedding got called off right before law school. It would have been a fairly sizable wedding as the boyfriend's family was a prominent scion of a small midwestern (?) town. They broke up.
I don't know why I remember this. It is crowding out more useful information. |
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Date: October 19th, 2006 5:59 PM Author: Coral center :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6819046) |
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Date: October 25th, 2006 4:23 AM Author: citrine gaming laptop space All true. Except maybe the size of the town. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6854329) |
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Date: October 25th, 2006 4:10 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: ROWAN WAS ONCE ENGAGED Date: October 23rd, 2006 10:58 PM Author: Rowan
I can honestly say I don't give a shit. The money spent on the rock just ends up being money I wouldn't get to spend on other things, and some of the other things sound more appealing.
Might be because I've been engaged and had a big rock before, or because I'm currently dating someone who doesn't make way more than I do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=511358&forum_id=1#6844742 )
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Date: October 25th, 2006 4:20 AM Author: citrine gaming laptop space I've certainly never been secretive about that. It's just that people forget in between the rare times it comes up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6854324) |
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Date: October 25th, 2006 4:24 AM Author: Aromatic Alcoholic Site OMG when do you sleep? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6854331) |
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Date: October 25th, 2006 4:26 AM Author: citrine gaming laptop space Now. I wish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#6854336) |
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Date: November 16th, 2006 3:11 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE LIKES MEDIUM GUYS Date: November 16th, 2006 2:30 PM Author: Rowan
Um, I guess I like guys who are medium? No complete muscleheads, no one really skinny, generally of average height.
I've definitely never been involved with anyone smaller than me - that would be pretty hard to pull off, since I'm not particularly tall or heavy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=527560&forum_id=2#7005159 )
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Date: November 16th, 2006 3:13 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: ROWAN IS PARTLY IRISH Date: November 16th, 2006 2:34 PM Author: Poorly Written User Documentation
You look Irish from your pics. Are you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=527560&forum_id=2#7005186 )
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Date: November 16th, 2006 2:35 PM Author: Rowan
Partly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=527560&forum_id=2#7005192 )
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Date: November 16th, 2006 3:19 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Fishy Depressive Parlor is that really her pic? shes ugly, let it go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7005426) |
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Date: November 20th, 2006 1:56 AM Author: claret boistinker stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7031789) |
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Date: November 21st, 2006 2:55 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: HER PARENTS CAN'T PRONOUNCE HER NAME Date: November 21st, 2006 2:39 PM Author: Rowan
I don't think anyone can control what their family calls them. Mine still refers to me as GARGLEDTWOYEAROLDATTEMPTATPRONOUNCINGMYNAME sometimes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=531127&forum_id=2#7042288 )
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Date: November 30th, 2006 6:13 PM Author: comical corn cake great thread, but it would be so unfortunate to out her and lose her... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7104333) |
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Date: November 30th, 2006 6:33 PM Author: marvelous violet gunner Damn, you are one sad motherfucker. How much time this must have taken you. Dumb, man, just dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7104504) |
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:18 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS TAKEN A 7.5" COCK Date: December 18th, 2006 3:52 AM Author: ...,,,.,,...,.,
biggest penis you have ever allowed to enter you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248588 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 3:53 AM Author: Rowan
7.5"?
( http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248595 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:20 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: BUT IT FELT LIKE A NORMAL COCK Date: December 18th, 2006 4:08 AM Author: Rowan
Not much different than a normal one, except a few painful times at the top.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248722 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:19 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: DOESN'T THINK NIHILISTIC THOUGHTS Date: December 18th, 2006 4:03 AM Author: Rowan
I don't have many nihilistic thoughts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248679 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:20 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: AND SHE DOESN'T WORRY ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE. Date: December 18th, 2006 4:12 AM Author: Rowan
Just sit quietly and think about what's going on now. Right now. The big picture stuff isn't as important as you think it is.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248750 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:26 AM Author: citrine gaming laptop space There is an underlying philosophy there. Vaugely but not against intoxicantly Buddhist. Or cognitavlist. Or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7248832) |
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:24 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE WOULD EAT TURDS FOR LOVE Date: December 18th, 2006 3:57 AM Author: Rowan
Maybe if the lives of loved ones or enormous sums of money were at stake.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548331&forum_id=2#7248632 )
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Date: December 18th, 2006 4:35 AM Author: Gold Flatulent Stage Skinny Woman i can't tell if this is really, really funny, or if i'm just sleep deprived. probably both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7248867) |
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Date: December 18th, 2006 5:10 AM Author: Razzle Area Pisswyrm One of the better posts I've read in awhile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7248979) |
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Date: December 18th, 2006 5:14 AM Author: razzmatazz police squad She once dated an asian guy and saw his penis intimately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7248995) |
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Date: December 18th, 2006 5:14 AM Author: citrine gaming laptop space Yup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7248998) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:35 PM Author: razzmatazz police squad Date: December 18th, 2006 5:14 AM Author: Rowan
Yup. |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:15 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS PALE NIPPLES Date: December 27th, 2006 8:35 PM Author: Rowan
Hi back. It's really not a nip. Honest. The real one is in a different location, and so pale you couldn't see it in a truly transparent shirt, let alone under three layers of black. It's just a shitty photo.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=552972&forum_id=2#7303172 )
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:20 PM Author: Light tanning salon trust fund titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303421) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:20 PM Author: elite bonkers range windowlicker she likes getting cum on her face. but I can't find the thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303419) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:24 PM Author: elite bonkers range windowlicker ROWAN IS SHOCKED THAT THERE ARE WOMEN WHO DON'T ENJOY EATING CUM
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=217850&mc=99
Date: July 13th, 2005 1:12 AM Author: Self-Portrait in a Convex Crapturd (Endowed, Chaired Professor in Shtick Studies)
Goddamnit. I haven't had a girl swallow in forever.
Date: July 13th, 2005 1:28 AM Author: Rowan
What? What kind of women are you dating? |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:27 PM Author: citrine gaming laptop space I didn't say anything about *enjoyment*. Actually, if you don't like the taste, spitting keeps it in your mouth a lot longer. That was kind of my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303445) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:28 PM Author: elite bonkers range windowlicker do you prefer it in the mouth or on the face? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303456) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:30 PM Author: citrine gaming laptop space Mouth, I guess. The face always carries the potential for it getting in my hair, which can be annoying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303470) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:32 PM Author: Light tanning salon trust fund You're talking about fat guys and guys who drink too much, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303485) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:39 PM Author: citrine gaming laptop space Well, unless we're talking about tiny amounts of the substance in question, there's always a risk of it hitting hair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303537) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:41 PM Author: Light tanning salon trust fund I'm just trying to figure out who would be sperming on you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303541) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 9:46 PM Author: elite bonkers range windowlicker she can't be expected to keep a list of all the guys whose semen she's eaten/gotten in the way of (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303579) |
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Date: August 31st, 2008 8:58 PM Author: disturbing stag film One sure thing, though: it would only be the semen from minority men or children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#10115501) |
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Date: December 27th, 2006 10:50 PM Author: impertinent balding locale Boy, that was a blast from the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7303861) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: [REMOVED] Deleted. Authenticity questioned.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=571344&forum_id=2#7503551 |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:07 AM Author: Burgundy trailer park We haven't confirmed that Rowan Mayfair is Rowan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503585) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:18 AM Author: charcoal rehab It's not her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503642) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:21 AM Author: crawly elastic band doctorate Why not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503664) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:26 AM Author: Self-absorbed tattoo you didn't make a big to-do about scrambling your password (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503700) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:31 AM Author: crawly elastic band doctorate Still, it's not like other people haven't altered monikers before. Oh well, I guess it's easier to stay away if no one believes I'm me. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503727) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 12:49 AM Author: bright home I had an interchange with Rowan Mayfair the other day, and I believe that it is indeed Rowan. If I am fooled, he/she is a good imposter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7503812) |
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Date: March 18th, 2007 3:29 AM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Any recent developments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7773263) |
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Date: March 18th, 2007 6:04 AM Author: Primrose generalized bond I think not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7773451) |
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Date: March 18th, 2007 6:37 AM Author: talking queen of the night gas station The answer is right in front of us. We're just being stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7773459) |
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Date: March 18th, 2007 11:29 AM Author: Umber stirring cuckoldry casino Subject: The Following NYC Firms Do Not Have Photos (for associates) (firms w/ 5+ HLS coming in last year) (note, methodology, which may be flawed, consisted of pulling up random associate bio in NYC office and checking for photo.)
Wachtell Cravath Skadden DPW STB Latham Shearman Debevoise Willkie Farr Proskauer
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Date: March 18th, 2007 11:32 AM Author: Umber stirring cuckoldry casino note though that she also claimed not to be listed on her firm's page, which is unlikely after she passed the bar.
It shouldn't be hard to search those firms for HLS '04/'03 (whichever she is) females. |
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Date: March 29th, 2007 9:44 AM Author: tan fat ankles temple I think I have cracked the case. There are surprisingly few female HLS '05s at these firms with a non-Jewish (she's at least part Irish), white sounding last name and fairly common first name. No Minnesota UG smoking gun though.
I would like to compare notes. |
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Date: March 29th, 2007 5:16 AM Author: ruddy double fault church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7836111) |
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Date: April 10th, 2007 3:22 AM Author: Orange dashing crackhouse Bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#7905293) |
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Date: June 6th, 2007 5:12 PM Author: stimulating mint hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8221869) |
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Date: June 6th, 2007 5:15 PM Author: misunderstood pea-brained mad-dog skullcap Subject: SHE BROKE UP WITH HER BOYFRIEND BECAUSE HE CHEATED ON HER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8221877) |
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Date: June 14th, 2007 9:39 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: SHE HAS 2 TATTOOS She has a dragon on her shoulder and a sun on her lower back.
Date: June 14th, 2007 9:20 PM Author: Rowan
one's a dragon, the other is a sun-shaped design
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=645154&forum_id=2#8256168 )
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Date: June 17th, 2007 4:06 PM Author: hairraiser alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8266633) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 1:49 AM Author: Orange dashing crackhouse Was she finally outted? Please provide details. How could I miss that?? Shiiiit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8268866) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 2:08 AM Author: Charismatic step-uncle's house ape i can't find the post where she admits to being to biggest tool on the face of the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8268909) |
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Date: September 1st, 2007 10:40 PM Author: rough-skinned impressive stead Where did Rowan go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8588319) |
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Date: September 1st, 2007 10:41 PM Author: yapping internal respiration set she was outted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8588321) |
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Date: September 1st, 2007 10:46 PM Author: fear-inspiring awkward university community account The lawsuit was a sign of the beginning of the end; that was a sign of the end of the end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8588354) |
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Date: September 1st, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Cowardly faggot firefighter Who is she? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8588378) |
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Date: September 1st, 2007 10:54 PM Author: rough-skinned impressive stead I miss her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8588374) |
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Date: September 16th, 2007 4:29 PM Author: Disgusting feces brunch Subject: CASE CLOSED? Is the case closed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8649505) |
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Date: April 28th, 2008 2:40 AM Author: Sticky chapel http://www.pryorcashman.com/attorneys-153.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#9697121) |
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Date: September 16th, 2007 4:40 PM Author: iridescent principal's office Wow, this whole thread is the epitome of pathetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=476569&forum_id=2#8649567) |
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Date: August 31st, 2008 9:23 PM Author: avocado goal in life MEMO
TO: Joint Procedure Committee
FROM: Sara Selby
RE: Rule 5.1, N.D.R.Crim.P., Preliminary Examination
5.1(a): The revised version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1 is formatted differently than its North Dakota equivalent, and contains several sentences transferred from Fed.R.Crim.P. 5. In the North Dakota rules, these sentences fit more closely with N.D.R.Crim.P. 5's discussion of waiver of the preliminary hearing at the initial appearance, and they should be retained in their current location. The new federal rule also contains some additional details about selecting a district, scheduling, and extending the time periods for holding preliminary hearings. Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(b)'s provisions on selecting a district are irrelevant to North Dakota practice. Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c)-(d) contain provisions on time limits for scheduling preliminary hearings that were previously part of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5(c). As N.D.R.Crim.P. 5 did not contain provisions similar to those in the equivalent federal rule, there seems to be no reason to incorporate it as a component of N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1 now.
The revised version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5(e) arranges its sentences differently than N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a), describing the process of the preliminary hearing before the results of the hearing. Although this proceeds logically in sequence from the beginning of the hearing to the finding, N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a)'s statement of the purpose of the preliminary hearing followed by the components of the hearing is also logical. Therefore, rearranging the North Dakota rule does not seem necessary. Another difference is that the North Dakota rule uses "arraignment" while the federal rule says vaguely that the defendant should be required to appear for "further proceedings." N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a) formerly contained language more similar to that of the federal rule, but the Joint Procedure Committee decided to amend the language to the current version because the old version improperly implies that the magistrate schedules the arraignment and because the provision's specification of the court where the defendant should be arraigned was unnecessary. See Minutes of the Joint Procedure Comm. 5-6 (Jan.27-28, 1994). One potential problem with the current North Dakota sentence is that both clauses are in the passive voice. The first clause can be reworded by substituting "if the magistrate finds" for "it appears from the evidence there is." However, rewording of the second sentence is more complicated because the magistrate does not actually schedule the arraignment, as mentioned by the Joint Procedure Committee when they discussed this rule. Id. at 5. Because of this, retaining the passive voice in this clause might be preferable. See Garner, Bryan A, Guidelines for Drafting and Editing Court Rules 4 (1996).
The new version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1 has eliminated the sentence specifying that the finding of probable cause may be based upon hearsay in whole or in part. This is similar to the federal revisions of Fed.R.Crim.P. 4(b), which were amended because the federal committee felt the statement was no longer necessary because case law on the subject is now less ambiguous. However, it is not necessary to remove a provision simply because case law has clarified the proposition, and N.D.R.Crim.P. 4 contains a nearly identical statement about hearsay that is recognized in the rule's explanatory note as a statement of existing case law. It might be advisable to retain this sentence, with the small style change substituting "on" for "upon." See Garner at 34. Both versions of the federal rule specify that the defendant may not object to evidence on the grounds that it was unlawfully acquired, while the N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a) uses the different formulation "the magistrate may receive evidence that would be admissible at trial." Although the two formulations are similar, the North Dakota rule clearly diverges from the older federal rule's emphasis on the defendant's objection. Additionally, the difference between "evidence that would not be admissible at trial" and "unlawfully acquired" evidence may be substantive, as there are types of legally acquired evidence that are inadmissable at trial. Because of this distinction, it seems advisable to retain the North Dakota language.
Another difference between N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a) and the older version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(a) is that the North Dakota rule does not contain a sentence directing motions to suppress to be made at trial. The Joint Procedure Committee specifically chose to reject the sentence alluding to Rule 12 because information regarding motions to suppress seemed out of place as these motions take place after the arraignment. See Minutes of the Joint Procedure Comm. 7 (Jan.27-28, 1994). Continuing to exclude this information seems reasonable because it more properly belongs in another rule, especially since the revised version of the federal rules has also eliminated this sentence.
5.1(b): There are a several style differences between the revised version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(f) and the substantively similar N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(b). The North Dakota rule is in passive voice, while the federal rule is in a more succinct and easily readable active voice. The North Dakota rule also contains the additional clause "after hearing the evidence on behalf of the respective parties in a preliminary examination," which does not appear in either federal rule. Because this difference existed before the revisions, it may be advisable to retain it. "If the magistrate hears evidence on behalf of the respective parties in a preliminary examination, and finds either a public offense has not been committed or there is not sufficient cause to believe the defendant guilty of the offense" might satisfy both requirements. However, eliminating the unique language and adapting the federal sentence "If the magistrate finds no probable cause to believe an offense has been committed or the defendant committed it" might be another solution. The second clause of the sentence should also be reworded to use the active voice and to eliminate unnecessary words.
N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(b) lacks the sentence in both the federal rules specifying that a discharge does not preclude the government from a later prosecution for the same offense. According to the minutes of a 1972 meeting of the Joint Procedure Committee, "Judge Muggli noted that the last sentence of Rule 5.1(b), which states, 'The discharge of the defendant from instituting a subsequent prosecution for the same offense,' makes provision for [Section 29-07-18's language on discharging the accused]." See Minutes of the Joint Procedure Comm. 12 (Mar. 23-24-25, 1972). As this language was later eliminated, continuing it excluding it from the current version of the North Dakota rule seems advisable.
5.1(c):The second sentence of N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) requires that a verbatim record be made upon the request of either party. Members of the Joint Procedure Committee have previously noted that some attorneys inaccurately believe they must request that a record be made of the proceedings See Minutes of the Joint Procedure Comm. 7-8 (Jan.27-28, 1994). In reality, a preliminary hearing is automatically recorded because it takes place in a court of record and parties must only make a request when they want a transcript. See id. The Joint Procedure Committee voted to remove the second sentence in 1994, but the Court later rejected the Committee's recommendation. See id. at 8. Because the sentence continues to have the potential for misinterpretation, it might be advisable to find alternative language. The revised version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) states, "The preliminary hearing must be recorded by a court reporter or by a suitable recording device. A recording of the proceeding may be made available to any party upon request." These two sentences are clear and succinct, and they might be a good substitute for the more ambiguous North Dakota language. However, the federal rule's phrase"by a court reporter or by a suitable recording device" should not be adapted, as discussion of the differences among court reporters, court recorders, and recording devices would not be a useful addition to the rule. Additionally, instead of using "upon" as the federal rule does, it might be advisable to use "on" as it is the word preferred by the Guidelines. See Garner at 34. The new federal language also uses passive voice, which is generally not preferred. However, passive voice construction is acceptable when using the active voice would narrow the meaning of the sentence, and as N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) contains several sentences where using the active voice would require the actor to be specified it may be better to leave the rule in the passive voice. See id. at 4.
The Second sentence of N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) states, "Upon request of either party, a copy of the transcript of the record of proceedings must be furnished to the defendant and the State." The slightly different federal rule states, "A copy of the recording and a transcript may be provided to any party upon request..." The federal language is more concise and should be adapted, though the word "upon" should be replaced with "on." See Garner at 34. The third sentence of N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) contains specific provisions about defendant's payment of costs, but this is not a substantial difference as Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(g) makes reference to Judicial Conference regulations applicable to the same subject. This last sentence contains some style problems as it is in the passive voice, and it should be revised so that both clauses use the active voice.
Another difference between the state and federal rule sis that the pre revision version of Fed.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) begins with a sentence stating that the magistrate must transmit the papers from the proceeding to the clerk of the district court. However, this provision is unnecessary in N.D.R.Crim.P. 5.1(c) as preliminary hearings are held in district court. See Minutes of the Joint Procedure Comm. 7 (Jan.27-28, 1994). The new federal rule also includes two subsections discussing the production of a witness's statement. However, there is no North Dakota equivalent to Fed.R.Crim.P. 26.2 because under N.D.R.Crim.P. 16 witness statements are discoverable at any time during the proceedings and not only after a witness has testified. Because N.D.R.Crim.P. 16 contains the provisions on the sanctions for failing to comply with its provisions, there is no need for N.D.R.Crim.P. 5 to incorporate similar provisions.
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Date: August 31st, 2008 9:32 PM Author: avocado goal in life Harvard Law School, CAMBRIDGE, MA, Class of 2005
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