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Dems will LOSE both House and Senate this November

Mark this thread now, and look back on my winning prediction...
domesticated pearl son of senegal set
  09/02/06
If by "lose" you really mean "win with histor...
excitant indian lodge
  09/07/06
yeah, i'm fucking sure that's what he fucking meant you damn...
Yapping gaping
  09/07/06
Since they don't have them to lose, I bet you $3,000.
Bronze razzle-dazzle nursing home
  11/07/06
They don't have either of them to lose.
Electric cruel-hearted stag film
  09/02/06
They don't "have" them to lose.
mind-boggling slippery meetinghouse turdskin
  09/02/06
About as smart as your moniker's namesake.
thriller area boistinker
  09/02/06
They don't have the House or Senate to lose.
provocative ceo
  09/02/06
Republicans currently hold both the House and Senate.
Bistre Medicated Stage
  09/02/06
I can't believe people in this thread forgot to mention that...
Fluffy cracking goyim nowag
  09/02/06
technically the dems don't have either to lose
slimy bisexual forum pocket flask
  09/02/06
I think you're all forgetting that they don't have either to...
Floppy school cafeteria psychic
  09/07/06
How could this thread go on so long without someone mentioni...
wonderful angry love of her life tanning salon
  09/07/06
one can only hope. this is too crucial a time in history to ...
Yapping gaping
  09/07/06
The Republicans have done so well!111`1``24`~
wonderful angry love of her life tanning salon
  09/07/06
Yeah, teh repubs have only fucked up 95% of the economy and ...
nofapping topaz chapel
  09/28/06
flame? the dems don't have either to losev
Lake Federal Orchestra Pit
  09/07/06
it is hilarious to watch dumbocrat faggot libs get their hop...
Laughsome locus
  09/07/06
oh yeah? then why do the dems control the house and the sena...
Greedy swashbuckling site alpha
  09/07/06
i didnt say they'd lose it, i said they wouldn't win
Laughsome locus
  09/07/06
i know, sarcasm directed at OP ;)
Greedy swashbuckling site alpha
  09/07/06
what you all are forgetting is that the premise of this thre...
impertinent heady lay
  09/07/06
uhh, smart guy, neither the house or senate is the dem's for...
Ocher Flatulent Garrison Main People
  09/07/06
There is a 0% chance that the Dems will lose something they ...
Gay talking hunting ground
  09/07/06
hahaha the OP really teed this one up for ya
Greedy swashbuckling site alpha
  09/07/06
I WILL NEVER LOSE MY FERRARI
Mildly autistic mint masturbator
  09/07/06
Wait, but don't Republicans control the House and Senate?
thriller area boistinker
  09/07/06
This is too sad in light of the confusion on this thread: ...
Floppy school cafeteria psychic
  09/10/06
I've actually seen some pretty disturbing statistics as to t...
thriller area boistinker
  09/28/06
This thread is gold.
Floppy school cafeteria psychic
  09/27/06
How can they lose chambers they don't presently control? ...
unholy deer antler queen of the night
  09/27/06
This was very xo and underappreciated.
Floppy school cafeteria psychic
  10/12/06
The OP is actually correct. The Dems will find a way to los...
histrionic territorial school
  09/27/06
While the original post is dumb, the 30 responses attacking ...
jet heaven
  09/28/06
In jest, dude.
thriller area boistinker
  09/28/06
you think kash's post below is in jest?
jet heaven
  09/28/06
Maybe not that one, but the ones that came right in a row, i...
thriller area boistinker
  09/28/06
you have be retarded to read the posts above and not see tha...
Floppy school cafeteria psychic
  09/28/06
They can't lose the House or Senate, you moron
Costumed pearly newt
  09/28/06
After a long day of class and reading this thread gets an A ...
racy embarrassed to the bone national chad
  09/28/06
The premise of this thread is wrong, The Democrats cannot lo...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
I could be wrong about this, I don't really follow "cur...
Pale Gas Station
  09/28/06
if by "control" you mean "have more seats&quo...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
Mind control? Space travel?
Pale Gas Station
  09/28/06
you can't control people without minds though.
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
See also: Louisiana.
Pale Gas Station
  09/28/06
if by "Louisiana" you mean the area of the entire ...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
That seems right.
Pale Gas Station
  09/28/06
http://www.mohonasen.org/grade5/lpurch1.jpg sorry my bad,...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
I didn't think that the democrats controlled the House OR th...
Exhilarant Translucent Locale Patrolman
  09/28/06
you guys are clearly misinterpreting this post. By "...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  09/28/06
this made me laugh
concupiscible whorehouse doctorate
  09/28/06
What's wrong with the premise of my post?
domesticated pearl son of senegal set
  09/28/06
the fact that you think people care?
Galvanic Address
  09/28/06
Hey smart guy, the Dems don't have either to lose. DUH -...
boyish spruce pozpig
  09/28/06
There is a fighting chance they will lose the Whitehouse in ...
Peach pit
  09/28/06
...
Galvanic Address
  10/03/06
As Democratas nao podem perder o poder da Casa ou do Senate,...
impressive athletic conference juggernaut
  10/03/06
...
Bespoke Resort Feces
  10/18/06
...
domesticated pearl son of senegal set
  10/21/06
...
domesticated pearl son of senegal set
  10/24/06
A xoxo classic....
Lilac frisky laser beams nibblets
  11/04/06
More predictions from the OP... this one isn't flame though....
free-loading house
  11/04/06
can't wait for tomorrow!!!
orange useless brakes place of business
  11/06/06
TODAYS THE DAY DEMS LOSE BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE
Lake Federal Orchestra Pit
  11/07/06
incorrect. i believe DEMS will retain their current control ...
curious tan really tough guy casino
  11/07/06
told ya!
curious tan really tough guy casino
  11/07/06
Dangerous Evangelical Militant Sycophants
Bronze razzle-dazzle nursing home
  11/07/06
We win!
shaky amber market
  11/07/06
...
magenta bateful university
  11/07/06
prescient
Arousing dull death wish
  11/08/06
...
Titillating blue cuck dingle berry
  06/11/07
MARKED.
Self-centered piazza pervert
  06/11/07
AGAIN
Self-centered piazza pervert
  07/12/07
The OP is correct--the Dems lost minority control of the hou...
beady-eyed frozen mad cow disease brunch
  06/11/07
...
charismatic stage
  06/06/08
I can't believe that no one mentioned that the Dems didn't h...
disgusting sepia becky home
  06/06/08


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Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:17 PM
Author: domesticated pearl son of senegal set

Mark this thread now, and look back on my winning prediction. Also, if you have cash, I would place a large bet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6545927)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:31 AM
Author: excitant indian lodge

If by "lose" you really mean "win with historic majorities," then you're correct. It will be a glorious day when all those red state fundamentalist Bush-voting assholes have to address San Francisco liberal Nancy Pelosi as Madam Speaker. I can't wait!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571814)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:32 AM
Author: Yapping gaping

yeah, i'm fucking sure that's what he fucking meant you damned, damned jackass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571818)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:47 AM
Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle nursing home

Since they don't have them to lose, I bet you $3,000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6939359)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: Electric cruel-hearted stag film

They don't have either of them to lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6545937)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling slippery meetinghouse turdskin

They don't "have" them to lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6545938)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:22 PM
Author: thriller area boistinker

About as smart as your moniker's namesake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6545975)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:24 PM
Author: provocative ceo

They don't have the House or Senate to lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6545986)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:29 PM
Author: Bistre Medicated Stage

Republicans currently hold both the House and Senate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6546019)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:31 PM
Author: Fluffy cracking goyim nowag

I can't believe people in this thread forgot to mention that DEM DONT EVEN HAVE IT TO LOSE!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6546026)





Date: September 2nd, 2006 7:36 PM
Author: slimy bisexual forum pocket flask

technically the dems don't have either to lose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6546063)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:30 AM
Author: Floppy school cafeteria psychic

I think you're all forgetting that they don't have either to lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571813)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:33 AM
Author: wonderful angry love of her life tanning salon

How could this thread go on so long without someone mentioning that they can't even lose it since the Republicans are currently in control?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571820)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:34 AM
Author: Yapping gaping

one can only hope. this is too crucial a time in history to have the democratic party running things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571821)





Date: September 7th, 2006 8:34 AM
Author: wonderful angry love of her life tanning salon

The Republicans have done so well!111`1``24`~

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6571822)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:56 PM
Author: nofapping topaz chapel

Yeah, teh repubs have only fucked up 95% of the economy and world. We still haven't hit rock bottom yet and couldn't have teh dems fixing things yet.

Why are repugs such morons?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692482)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:15 PM
Author: Lake Federal Orchestra Pit

flame? the dems don't have either to losev

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572480)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:18 PM
Author: Laughsome locus

it is hilarious to watch dumbocrat faggot libs get their hopes up that they'll win the house by a couple votes - newsflash - republicans win elections, dumbocrats *do not and will not*

america loves bush a lot more than the polls say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572490)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:24 PM
Author: Greedy swashbuckling site alpha

oh yeah? then why do the dems control the house and the senate?

oh wait.......

it appears that it isnt theirs to lose.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572522)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:24 PM
Author: Laughsome locus

i didnt say they'd lose it, i said they wouldn't win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572532)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:25 PM
Author: Greedy swashbuckling site alpha

i know, sarcasm directed at OP ;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572539)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:27 PM
Author: impertinent heady lay

what you all are forgetting is that the premise of this thread is absurd. the dems have neither the House nor Senate to lose!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572549)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:27 PM
Author: Ocher Flatulent Garrison Main People

uhh, smart guy, neither the house or senate is the dem's for them to lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572553)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:30 PM
Author: Gay talking hunting ground

There is a 0% chance that the Dems will lose something they don't even have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572578)





Date: September 7th, 2006 1:32 PM
Author: Greedy swashbuckling site alpha

hahaha the OP really teed this one up for ya

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6572591)





Date: September 7th, 2006 4:27 PM
Author: Mildly autistic mint masturbator
Subject: I WILL NEVER LOSE MY FERRARI

because I don't have one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6573582)





Date: September 7th, 2006 6:31 PM
Author: thriller area boistinker

Wait, but don't Republicans control the House and Senate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6574209)





Date: September 10th, 2006 10:17 PM
Author: Floppy school cafeteria psychic

This is too sad in light of the confusion on this thread:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009715.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6592243)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:45 AM
Author: thriller area boistinker

I've actually seen some pretty disturbing statistics as to the ignorance of people on which party controls Congress.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689226)





Date: September 27th, 2006 10:13 PM
Author: Floppy school cafeteria psychic

This thread is gold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6688062)





Date: September 27th, 2006 10:14 PM
Author: unholy deer antler queen of the night

How can they lose chambers they don't presently control?

Edit: I see this has been covered.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6688075)





Date: October 12th, 2006 12:31 AM
Author: Floppy school cafeteria psychic

This was very xo and underappreciated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6772740)





Date: September 27th, 2006 10:27 PM
Author: histrionic territorial school

The OP is actually correct. The Dems will find a way to lose something they do not have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6688156)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:48 AM
Author: jet heaven

While the original post is dumb, the 30 responses attacking the post over a semantic issue is even more sad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689243)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:51 AM
Author: thriller area boistinker

In jest, dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689259)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:53 AM
Author: jet heaven

you think kash's post below is in jest?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689271)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:55 AM
Author: thriller area boistinker

Maybe not that one, but the ones that came right in a row, including mine, were.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689284)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:32 PM
Author: Floppy school cafeteria psychic

you have be retarded to read the posts above and not see that they are in jest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692339)





Date: September 28th, 2006 12:49 AM
Author: Costumed pearly newt

They can't lose the House or Senate, you moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689250)





Date: September 28th, 2006 1:15 AM
Author: racy embarrassed to the bone national chad

After a long day of class and reading this thread gets an A + I only regret not clicking it before and adding my part when it was first posted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6689422)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:39 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

The premise of this thread is wrong, The Democrats cannot lose a building which is so clearly demarcated:

http://www.aoc.gov/cc/cc_map.cfm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692377)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:41 PM
Author: Pale Gas Station

I could be wrong about this, I don't really follow "current events," but I thought the Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Maybe an inside joke I don't get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692387)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:42 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

if by "control" you mean "have more seats" then yes. But the democrats currently control the house and senate through other means.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692394)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:44 PM
Author: Pale Gas Station

Mind control?

Space travel?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692405)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:45 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

you can't control people without minds though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692410)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:49 PM
Author: Pale Gas Station

See also: Louisiana.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692435)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:51 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

if by "Louisiana" you mean the area of the entire Louisiana purchase then yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692445)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:52 PM
Author: Pale Gas Station

That seems right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692450)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:54 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

http://www.mohonasen.org/grade5/lpurch1.jpg

sorry my bad, please add the rest of Texas to that and we're all set.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692471)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:47 PM
Author: Exhilarant Translucent Locale Patrolman

I didn't think that the democrats controlled the House OR the Senate. Are you referring to the house and senate in a particular state? That would be misleading since most people think of the House and Senate of the United States when you mention house or senate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692426)





Date: September 28th, 2006 3:50 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces

you guys are clearly misinterpreting this post.

By "DEMS" the original poster meant: Democratic Republicans. Republicans do currently control the House and Senate *as well as* a majority of state legislatures.

Please see below for further information on this pressing matter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party_(United_States)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6692441)





Date: September 28th, 2006 6:53 PM
Author: concupiscible whorehouse doctorate

this made me laugh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6693528)





Date: September 28th, 2006 8:09 PM
Author: domesticated pearl son of senegal set

What's wrong with the premise of my post?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6693917)





Date: September 28th, 2006 8:12 PM
Author: Galvanic Address

the fact that you think people care?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6693940)





Date: September 28th, 2006 8:12 PM
Author: boyish spruce pozpig

Hey smart guy, the Dems don't have either to lose. DUH

-XOXOHTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6693939)





Date: September 28th, 2006 8:34 PM
Author: Peach pit

There is a fighting chance they will lose the Whitehouse in 2008 next.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6694080)





Date: October 3rd, 2006 5:37 AM
Author: Galvanic Address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6720149)





Date: October 3rd, 2006 2:39 PM
Author: impressive athletic conference juggernaut

As Democratas nao podem perder o poder da Casa ou do Senate, porque eles ainda nao tem o controle de ambos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6721307)





Date: October 18th, 2006 2:27 PM
Author: Bespoke Resort Feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6811462)





Date: October 21st, 2006 8:56 PM
Author: domesticated pearl son of senegal set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6832295)





Date: October 24th, 2006 2:57 PM
Author: domesticated pearl son of senegal set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6849124)





Date: November 4th, 2006 1:29 PM
Author: Lilac frisky laser beams nibblets

A xoxo classic....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6920113)





Date: November 4th, 2006 2:12 PM
Author: free-loading house

More predictions from the OP... this one isn't flame though.

http://call-me-crazy-but-i-think-george-allen-has-lost.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=518720&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6920357)





Date: November 6th, 2006 12:41 PM
Author: orange useless brakes place of business

can't wait for tomorrow!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6932823)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:27 AM
Author: Lake Federal Orchestra Pit

TODAYS THE DAY DEMS LOSE BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6939245)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:29 AM
Author: curious tan really tough guy casino

incorrect. i believe DEMS will retain their current control of both House and Senate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6939259)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: curious tan really tough guy casino

told ya!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6944680)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:52 AM
Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle nursing home
Subject: Dangerous Evangelical Militant Sycophants

Let's all hope the DEMS will lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6939381)





Date: November 7th, 2006 7:53 PM
Author: shaky amber market

We win!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6942595)





Date: November 7th, 2006 11:32 PM
Author: magenta bateful university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6944630)





Date: November 8th, 2006 2:03 AM
Author: Arousing dull death wish

prescient

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#6946309)





Date: June 11th, 2007 8:28 PM
Author: Titillating blue cuck dingle berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#8243834)





Date: June 11th, 2007 8:30 PM
Author: Self-centered piazza pervert

MARKED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#8243842)





Date: July 12th, 2007 8:41 PM
Author: Self-centered piazza pervert

AGAIN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#8375425)





Date: June 11th, 2007 8:32 PM
Author: beady-eyed frozen mad cow disease brunch

The OP is correct--the Dems lost minority control of the house and senate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#8243853)





Date: June 6th, 2008 3:06 PM
Author: charismatic stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#9864424)





Date: June 6th, 2008 3:10 PM
Author: disgusting sepia becky home

I can't believe that no one mentioned that the Dems didn't have either to lose in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=483039&forum_id=2#9864435)