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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and o...
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
you're a fucking moron.
sienna insane station
  09/05/06
What part of my statement is false?
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unabl...
sienna insane station
  09/05/06
Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National I...
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc....
sienna insane station
  09/05/06
wow
Wonderful Indian Lodge
  09/05/06
I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.
thirsty water buffalo
  09/05/06
You are unhinged.
Hairless Jewess Library
  09/05/06
You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 f...
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"
thirsty water buffalo
  09/05/06
Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?
Histrionic ebony spot associate
  09/05/06
Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about...
Hairless Jewess Library
  09/05/06
How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.
Hairless Jewess Library
  09/05/06
seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!
Bossy Partner
  09/05/06
On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the othe...
thirsty water buffalo
  09/05/06
It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the ...
Hairless Jewess Library
  09/05/06
wow.
disrespectful deer antler
  09/05/06
Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism...
thirsty water buffalo
  09/05/06
Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save stra...
Hairless Jewess Library
  09/05/06
you have an unstable definition of "misleading." ...
disrespectful deer antler
  09/05/06
The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at i...
Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles
  09/05/06
We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard ...
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate...
Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles
  09/05/06
so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?
lavender heaven new version
  09/05/06
When it will save life, yes.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you r...
lavender heaven new version
  09/05/06
they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed ea...
maize costumed windowlicker
  09/05/06
No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
*high five*
maize costumed windowlicker
  09/05/06
Your reply was a 172 at least.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more...
maize costumed windowlicker
  09/05/06
Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promo...
Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles
  09/05/06
this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of...
maize costumed windowlicker
  09/05/06
This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency pr...
Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles
  09/05/06
do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? ...
maize costumed windowlicker
  09/05/06
ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.
disrespectful deer antler
  09/05/06
Mao was a pretty big hero too.
sooty hot legend death wish
  11/14/06
You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost...
Sticky kitchen skinny woman
  09/05/06
Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in r...
useless ivory state
  09/05/06
Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawye...
Supple foreskin
  09/05/06
O_O
Spectacular awkward temple
  08/07/07
STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?
Supple foreskin
  09/05/06
They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly...
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.
Supple foreskin
  09/05/06
liberals prefer to blame americans.
Wonderful Indian Lodge
  09/05/06
TITCR
lavender heaven new version
  09/05/06
you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you...
Thriller Dingle Berry
  09/05/06
Link?
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
oh they hurt alright, those that could feel
contagious forum cuck
  09/05/06
The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right ...
Razzle haunting school turdskin
  09/05/06
Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/05/06
This post = badass.
Peach Messiness
  09/06/06
In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center la...
irradiated ruby boistinker brunch
  09/06/06
LOL she dates poors.
Peach Messiness
  09/06/06
ignorant asshole
Boyish fantasy-prone national kitty
  09/06/06
well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.
irradiated ruby boistinker brunch
  09/06/06
This is the post that started it all.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/23/06
9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in" ?
thirsty water buffalo
  09/23/06
Skillful.
Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor
  09/23/06
I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS
Spectacular awkward temple
  11/10/06
i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at th...
mildly autistic mind-boggling faggot firefighter
  09/23/06
They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his la...
plum locus roast beef
  10/08/06
http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma
amber keepsake machete quadroon
  11/14/06
...
frozen filthy meetinghouse
  12/26/06
...
exciting address
  10/04/08


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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.

Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563331)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM
Author: sienna insane station

you're a fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

What part of my statement is false?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM
Author: sienna insane station

they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.

firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563384)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/

Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: sienna insane station

ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow.

http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563545)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: Wonderful Indian Lodge

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM
Author: thirsty water buffalo

I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM
Author: Hairless Jewess Library

You are unhinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM
Author: thirsty water buffalo

FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: Histrionic ebony spot associate

Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Hairless Jewess Library

Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: Hairless Jewess Library

I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM
Author: Bossy Partner

seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: thirsty water buffalo

On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: Hairless Jewess Library

It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM
Author: disrespectful deer antler

wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: thirsty water buffalo

Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: Hairless Jewess Library

Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM
Author: disrespectful deer antler

you have an unstable definition of "misleading."

it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.

on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.

so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563598)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM
Author: Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles

The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.

You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564303)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM
Author: Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles

There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.

If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: lavender heaven new version

so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

When it will save life, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM
Author: lavender heaven new version

they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: maize costumed windowlicker

they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: maize costumed windowlicker

*high five*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Your reply was a 172 at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: maize costumed windowlicker

he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles

Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.

How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564511)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM
Author: maize costumed windowlicker

this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: Outnumbered bateful rehab fat ankles

This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM
Author: maize costumed windowlicker

do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: disrespectful deer antler

ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM
Author: sooty hot legend death wish

Mao was a pretty big hero too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: Sticky kitchen skinny woman

You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: useless ivory state

Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Supple foreskin

Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551)





Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM
Author: Spectacular awkward temple

O_O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: Supple foreskin

STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: Supple foreskin

I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: Wonderful Indian Lodge

liberals prefer to blame americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: lavender heaven new version

TITCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: Thriller Dingle Berry

you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: contagious forum cuck

oh they hurt alright, those that could feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: Razzle haunting school turdskin

The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.

On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.

Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564659)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777)





Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: Peach Messiness

This post = badass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: irradiated ruby boistinker brunch

In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.

She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568062)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: Peach Messiness

LOL she dates poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: Boyish fantasy-prone national kitty

ignorant asshole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568071)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: irradiated ruby boistinker brunch

well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

This is the post that started it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM
Author: thirsty water buffalo

9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664709)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM
Author: Brindle multi-colored rigor parlor

Skillful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744)





Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM
Author: Spectacular awkward temple

I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: mildly autistic mind-boggling faggot firefighter

i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735)





Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: plum locus roast beef

They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM
Author: amber keepsake machete quadroon

http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785)





Date: December 26th, 2006 2:53 AM
Author: frozen filthy meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#7295332)





Date: October 4th, 2008 6:58 PM
Author: exciting address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#10228429)