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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and o...
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
you're a fucking moron.
Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe
  09/05/06
What part of my statement is false?
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unabl...
Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe
  09/05/06
Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National I...
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc....
Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe
  09/05/06
wow
Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant
  09/05/06
I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.
Vengeful deer antler
  09/05/06
You are unhinged.
Medicated Bossy Trust Fund
  09/05/06
You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 f...
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"
Vengeful deer antler
  09/05/06
Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?
translucent cerebral fortuitous meteor
  09/05/06
Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about...
Medicated Bossy Trust Fund
  09/05/06
How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.
Medicated Bossy Trust Fund
  09/05/06
seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!
poppy public bath ratface
  09/05/06
On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the othe...
Vengeful deer antler
  09/05/06
It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the ...
Medicated Bossy Trust Fund
  09/05/06
wow.
big partner multi-billionaire
  09/05/06
Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism...
Vengeful deer antler
  09/05/06
Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save stra...
Medicated Bossy Trust Fund
  09/05/06
you have an unstable definition of "misleading." ...
big partner multi-billionaire
  09/05/06
The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at i...
Aquamarine Pit
  09/05/06
We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard ...
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate...
Aquamarine Pit
  09/05/06
so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?
Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete
  09/05/06
When it will save life, yes.
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you r...
Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete
  09/05/06
they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed ea...
mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat
  09/05/06
No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
*high five*
mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat
  09/05/06
Your reply was a 172 at least.
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more...
mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat
  09/05/06
Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promo...
Aquamarine Pit
  09/05/06
this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of...
mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat
  09/05/06
This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency pr...
Aquamarine Pit
  09/05/06
do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? ...
mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat
  09/05/06
ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.
big partner multi-billionaire
  09/05/06
Mao was a pretty big hero too.
apoplectic newt
  11/14/06
You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost...
dead disturbing water buffalo
  09/05/06
Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in r...
Fragrant marketing idea
  09/05/06
Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawye...
Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead
  09/05/06
O_O
arousing abode
  08/07/07
STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?
Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead
  09/05/06
They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly...
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.
Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead
  09/05/06
liberals prefer to blame americans.
Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant
  09/05/06
TITCR
Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete
  09/05/06
you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you...
High-end up-to-no-good weed whacker regret
  09/05/06
Link?
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
oh they hurt alright, those that could feel
Milky native
  09/05/06
The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right ...
Wonderful red brunch
  09/05/06
Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.
racy bespoke area
  09/05/06
This post = badass.
motley smoky scourge upon the earth
  09/06/06
In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center la...
Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha
  09/06/06
LOL she dates poors.
motley smoky scourge upon the earth
  09/06/06
ignorant asshole
galvanic principal's office
  09/06/06
well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.
Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha
  09/06/06
This is the post that started it all.
racy bespoke area
  09/23/06
9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in" ?
Vengeful deer antler
  09/23/06
Skillful.
racy bespoke area
  09/23/06
I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS
arousing abode
  11/10/06
i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at th...
Coiffed Olive Twinkling Uncleanness
  09/23/06
They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his la...
Idiotic temple
  10/08/06
http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma
passionate umber spot
  11/14/06
...
Laughsome place of business liquid oxygen
  12/26/06
...
razzle-dazzle effete theatre main people
  10/04/08


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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.

Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563331)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM
Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe

you're a fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

What part of my statement is false?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM
Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe

they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.

firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563384)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/

Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe

ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow.

http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563545)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM
Author: Vengeful deer antler

I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM
Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund

You are unhinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM
Author: Vengeful deer antler

FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: translucent cerebral fortuitous meteor

Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund

Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund

I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM
Author: poppy public bath ratface

seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: Vengeful deer antler

On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund

It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM
Author: big partner multi-billionaire

wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: Vengeful deer antler

Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund

Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM
Author: big partner multi-billionaire

you have an unstable definition of "misleading."

it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.

on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.

so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563598)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM
Author: Aquamarine Pit

The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.

You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564303)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM
Author: Aquamarine Pit

There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.

If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete

so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

When it will save life, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete

they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat

they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat

*high five*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Your reply was a 172 at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat

he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: Aquamarine Pit

Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.

How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564511)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM
Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat

this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: Aquamarine Pit

This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM
Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat

do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: big partner multi-billionaire

ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM
Author: apoplectic newt

Mao was a pretty big hero too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: dead disturbing water buffalo

You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: Fragrant marketing idea

Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead

Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551)





Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM
Author: arousing abode

O_O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead

STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead

I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant

liberals prefer to blame americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete

TITCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: High-end up-to-no-good weed whacker regret

you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: Milky native

oh they hurt alright, those that could feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: Wonderful red brunch

The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.

On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.

Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564659)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777)





Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: motley smoky scourge upon the earth

This post = badass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha

In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.

She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568062)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: motley smoky scourge upon the earth

LOL she dates poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: galvanic principal's office

ignorant asshole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568071)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha

well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

This is the post that started it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM
Author: Vengeful deer antler

9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664709)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM
Author: racy bespoke area

Skillful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744)





Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM
Author: arousing abode

I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: Coiffed Olive Twinkling Uncleanness

i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735)





Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: Idiotic temple

They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM
Author: passionate umber spot

http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785)





Date: December 26th, 2006 2:53 AM
Author: Laughsome place of business liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#7295332)





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