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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and o...
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
you're a fucking moron.
Wonderful jap sanctuary
  09/05/06
What part of my statement is false?
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unabl...
Wonderful jap sanctuary
  09/05/06
Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National I...
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc....
Wonderful jap sanctuary
  09/05/06
wow
galvanic onyx resort faggot firefighter
  09/05/06
I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.
rough-skinned arousing brethren market
  09/05/06
You are unhinged.
Sick associate
  09/05/06
You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 f...
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"
rough-skinned arousing brethren market
  09/05/06
Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?
Comical nowag school
  09/05/06
Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about...
Sick associate
  09/05/06
How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.
Sick associate
  09/05/06
seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!
Violet Appetizing Business Firm Immigrant
  09/05/06
On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the othe...
rough-skinned arousing brethren market
  09/05/06
It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the ...
Sick associate
  09/05/06
wow.
Glittery box office gaming laptop
  09/05/06
Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism...
rough-skinned arousing brethren market
  09/05/06
Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save stra...
Sick associate
  09/05/06
you have an unstable definition of "misleading." ...
Glittery box office gaming laptop
  09/05/06
The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at i...
sepia sickened windowlicker
  09/05/06
We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard ...
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate...
sepia sickened windowlicker
  09/05/06
so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?
Coral incel coldplay fan
  09/05/06
When it will save life, yes.
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you r...
Coral incel coldplay fan
  09/05/06
they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed ea...
Mauve infuriating menage tattoo
  09/05/06
No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
*high five*
Mauve infuriating menage tattoo
  09/05/06
Your reply was a 172 at least.
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more...
Mauve infuriating menage tattoo
  09/05/06
Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promo...
sepia sickened windowlicker
  09/05/06
this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of...
Mauve infuriating menage tattoo
  09/05/06
This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency pr...
sepia sickened windowlicker
  09/05/06
do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? ...
Mauve infuriating menage tattoo
  09/05/06
ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.
Glittery box office gaming laptop
  09/05/06
Mao was a pretty big hero too.
metal ocher mood abode
  11/14/06
You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost...
opaque contagious senate multi-billionaire
  09/05/06
Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in r...
Amethyst Useless Brakes Tanning Salon
  09/05/06
Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawye...
wild brunch
  09/05/06
O_O
gold area mother
  08/07/07
STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?
wild brunch
  09/05/06
They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly...
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.
wild brunch
  09/05/06
liberals prefer to blame americans.
galvanic onyx resort faggot firefighter
  09/05/06
TITCR
Coral incel coldplay fan
  09/05/06
you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you...
transparent church psychic
  09/05/06
Link?
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
oh they hurt alright, those that could feel
Vengeful Low-t Main People Headpube
  09/05/06
The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right ...
bossy boyish field double fault
  09/05/06
Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.
charcoal balding property
  09/05/06
This post = badass.
exciting yarmulke
  09/06/06
In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center la...
canary tantric space
  09/06/06
LOL she dates poors.
exciting yarmulke
  09/06/06
ignorant asshole
fuchsia abnormal ratface
  09/06/06
well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.
canary tantric space
  09/06/06
This is the post that started it all.
charcoal balding property
  09/23/06
9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in" ?
rough-skinned arousing brethren market
  09/23/06
Skillful.
charcoal balding property
  09/23/06
I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS
gold area mother
  11/10/06
i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at th...
Beady-eyed underhanded address national security agency
  09/23/06
They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his la...
Emerald racy set juggernaut
  10/08/06
http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma
brilliant gas station idea he suggested
  11/14/06
...
Mischievous laser beams pisswyrm
  12/26/06
...
Diverse turdskin orchestra pit
  10/04/08


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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.

Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563331)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM
Author: Wonderful jap sanctuary

you're a fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

What part of my statement is false?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM
Author: Wonderful jap sanctuary

they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.

firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563384)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/

Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Wonderful jap sanctuary

ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow.

http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563545)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: galvanic onyx resort faggot firefighter

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM
Author: rough-skinned arousing brethren market

I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM
Author: Sick associate

You are unhinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM
Author: rough-skinned arousing brethren market

FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: Comical nowag school

Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: Sick associate

Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: Sick associate

I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM
Author: Violet Appetizing Business Firm Immigrant

seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: rough-skinned arousing brethren market

On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: Sick associate

It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM
Author: Glittery box office gaming laptop

wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: rough-skinned arousing brethren market

Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: Sick associate

Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM
Author: Glittery box office gaming laptop

you have an unstable definition of "misleading."

it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.

on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.

so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563598)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM
Author: sepia sickened windowlicker

The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.

You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564303)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM
Author: sepia sickened windowlicker

There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.

If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: Coral incel coldplay fan

so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

When it will save life, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM
Author: Coral incel coldplay fan

they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: Mauve infuriating menage tattoo

they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: Mauve infuriating menage tattoo

*high five*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Your reply was a 172 at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: Mauve infuriating menage tattoo

he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: sepia sickened windowlicker

Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.

How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564511)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM
Author: Mauve infuriating menage tattoo

this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: sepia sickened windowlicker

This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM
Author: Mauve infuriating menage tattoo

do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: Glittery box office gaming laptop

ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM
Author: metal ocher mood abode

Mao was a pretty big hero too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: opaque contagious senate multi-billionaire

You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: Amethyst Useless Brakes Tanning Salon

Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: wild brunch

Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551)





Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM
Author: gold area mother

O_O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: wild brunch

STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: wild brunch

I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: galvanic onyx resort faggot firefighter

liberals prefer to blame americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: Coral incel coldplay fan

TITCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: transparent church psychic

you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: Vengeful Low-t Main People Headpube

oh they hurt alright, those that could feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: bossy boyish field double fault

The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.

On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.

Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564659)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777)





Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: exciting yarmulke

This post = badass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: canary tantric space

In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.

She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568062)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: exciting yarmulke

LOL she dates poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: fuchsia abnormal ratface

ignorant asshole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568071)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: canary tantric space

well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

This is the post that started it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM
Author: rough-skinned arousing brethren market

9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664709)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM
Author: charcoal balding property

Skillful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744)





Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM
Author: gold area mother

I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: Beady-eyed underhanded address national security agency

i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735)





Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: Emerald racy set juggernaut

They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM
Author: brilliant gas station idea he suggested

http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785)





Date: December 26th, 2006 2:53 AM
Author: Mischievous laser beams pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#7295332)





Date: October 4th, 2008 6:58 PM
Author: Diverse turdskin orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#10228429)