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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM Author: racy bespoke area Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.
Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe you're a fucking moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM Author: racy bespoke area What part of my statement is false? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.
firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up" |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM Author: racy bespoke area Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:
Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM Author: Aggressive razzmatazz gaping sweet tailpipe ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM Author: Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: Vengeful deer antler I like how they screamed at people to go back inside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund You are unhinged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM Author: racy bespoke area You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM Author: Vengeful deer antler FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: translucent cerebral fortuitous meteor Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM Author: racy bespoke area How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund I'm not sure what your point is by posting this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM Author: poppy public bath ratface seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM Author: Vengeful deer antler On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM Author: big partner multi-billionaire wow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM Author: Vengeful deer antler Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM Author: Medicated Bossy Trust Fund Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM Author: big partner multi-billionaire you have an unstable definition of "misleading."
it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.
on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.
so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct? |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM Author: Aquamarine Pit The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.
You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: racy bespoke area We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: Aquamarine Pit There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.
If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.
HTH. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: racy bespoke area When it will save life, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: racy bespoke area No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat *high five* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: racy bespoke area Your reply was a 172 at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM Author: Aquamarine Pit Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.
How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here? |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: Aquamarine Pit This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: mind-boggling awkward church toilet seat do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: big partner multi-billionaire ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482) |
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Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM Author: apoplectic newt Mao was a pretty big hero too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM Author: dead disturbing water buffalo You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: Fragrant marketing idea Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551) |
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Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: arousing abode O_O (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410) |
Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM Author: racy bespoke area They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: Irradiated deep cuckoldry circlehead I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM Author: Charismatic Impressive Office Legal Warrant liberals prefer to blame americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Clear Keepsake Machete TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: High-end up-to-no-good weed whacker regret you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: racy bespoke area Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: Milky native oh they hurt alright, those that could feel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: Wonderful red brunch The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.
On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.
Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM Author: racy bespoke area Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: motley smoky scourge upon the earth This post = badass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.
She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange. |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: motley smoky scourge upon the earth LOL she dates poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: galvanic principal's office ignorant asshole
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: Chartreuse Duck-like Sneaky Criminal Alpha well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM Author: racy bespoke area This is the post that started it all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM Author: Vengeful deer antler 9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM Author: racy bespoke area Skillful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744) |
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Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM Author: arousing abode I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM Author: Coiffed Olive Twinkling Uncleanness i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735) |
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Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM Author: Idiotic temple They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450) |
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Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM Author: passionate umber spot http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785) |
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Date: December 26th, 2006 2:53 AM Author: Laughsome place of business liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#7295332) |
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