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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and o...
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
you're a fucking moron.
vigorous chocolate market rigor
  09/05/06
What part of my statement is false?
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unabl...
vigorous chocolate market rigor
  09/05/06
Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National I...
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc....
vigorous chocolate market rigor
  09/05/06
wow
Laughsome pervert
  09/05/06
I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.
Tripping senate macaca
  09/05/06
You are unhinged.
arousing slap-happy partner
  09/05/06
You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 f...
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"
Tripping senate macaca
  09/05/06
Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?
Titillating garnet double fault
  09/05/06
Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about...
arousing slap-happy partner
  09/05/06
How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.
arousing slap-happy partner
  09/05/06
seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!
iridescent misanthropic hall
  09/05/06
On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the othe...
Tripping senate macaca
  09/05/06
It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the ...
arousing slap-happy partner
  09/05/06
wow.
vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator
  09/05/06
Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism...
Tripping senate macaca
  09/05/06
Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save stra...
arousing slap-happy partner
  09/05/06
you have an unstable definition of "misleading." ...
vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator
  09/05/06
The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at i...
Appetizing Effete Heaven
  09/05/06
We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard ...
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate...
Appetizing Effete Heaven
  09/05/06
so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?
Blathering dark menage
  09/05/06
When it will save life, yes.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you r...
Blathering dark menage
  09/05/06
they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed ea...
Bonkers twinkling uncleanness
  09/05/06
No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
*high five*
Bonkers twinkling uncleanness
  09/05/06
Your reply was a 172 at least.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more...
Bonkers twinkling uncleanness
  09/05/06
Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promo...
Appetizing Effete Heaven
  09/05/06
this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of...
Bonkers twinkling uncleanness
  09/05/06
This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency pr...
Appetizing Effete Heaven
  09/05/06
do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? ...
Bonkers twinkling uncleanness
  09/05/06
ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.
vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator
  09/05/06
Mao was a pretty big hero too.
Chartreuse meetinghouse pistol
  11/14/06
You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost...
Violent stag film doctorate
  09/05/06
Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in r...
adventurous plum property associate
  09/05/06
Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawye...
Histrionic indigo really tough guy
  09/05/06
O_O
Citrine step-uncle's house candlestick maker
  08/07/07
STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?
Histrionic indigo really tough guy
  09/05/06
They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly...
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.
Histrionic indigo really tough guy
  09/05/06
liberals prefer to blame americans.
Laughsome pervert
  09/05/06
TITCR
Blathering dark menage
  09/05/06
you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you...
well-lubricated vivacious trump supporter nursing home
  09/05/06
Link?
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
oh they hurt alright, those that could feel
bearded aggressive office lettuce
  09/05/06
The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right ...
lilac chad
  09/05/06
Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/05/06
This post = badass.
impressive incel
  09/06/06
In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center la...
Lascivious factory reset button
  09/06/06
LOL she dates poors.
impressive incel
  09/06/06
ignorant asshole
Marvelous Sneaky Criminal Whorehouse
  09/06/06
well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.
Lascivious factory reset button
  09/06/06
This is the post that started it all.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/23/06
9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in" ?
Tripping senate macaca
  09/23/06
Skillful.
180 infuriating fanboi
  09/23/06
I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS
Citrine step-uncle's house candlestick maker
  11/10/06
i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at th...
hairraiser home idea he suggested
  09/23/06
They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his la...
magical pit faggot firefighter
  10/08/06
http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma
big yarmulke crackhouse
  11/14/06
...
Electric skinny woman
  12/26/06
...
Federal twisted gas station
  10/04/08


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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.

Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563331)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM
Author: vigorous chocolate market rigor

you're a fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

What part of my statement is false?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM
Author: vigorous chocolate market rigor

they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.

firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563384)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/

Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: vigorous chocolate market rigor

ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow.

http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563545)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: Laughsome pervert

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404)





Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM
Author: Tripping senate macaca

I like how they screamed at people to go back inside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM
Author: arousing slap-happy partner

You are unhinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM
Author: Tripping senate macaca

FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: Titillating garnet double fault

Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM
Author: arousing slap-happy partner

Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: arousing slap-happy partner

I'm not sure what your point is by posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM
Author: iridescent misanthropic hall

seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: Tripping senate macaca

On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: arousing slap-happy partner

It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM
Author: vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator

wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: Tripping senate macaca

Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: arousing slap-happy partner

Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM
Author: vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator

you have an unstable definition of "misleading."

it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.

on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.

so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563598)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM
Author: Appetizing Effete Heaven

The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.

You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564303)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM
Author: Appetizing Effete Heaven

There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.

If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.

HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564412)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: Blathering dark menage

so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

When it will save life, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM
Author: Blathering dark menage

they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: Bonkers twinkling uncleanness

they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: Bonkers twinkling uncleanness

*high five*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Your reply was a 172 at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: Bonkers twinkling uncleanness

he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: Appetizing Effete Heaven

Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.

How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564511)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM
Author: Bonkers twinkling uncleanness

this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM
Author: Appetizing Effete Heaven

This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM
Author: Bonkers twinkling uncleanness

do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: vengeful ocher cuckoldry masturbator

ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM
Author: Chartreuse meetinghouse pistol

Mao was a pretty big hero too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795)





Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM
Author: Violent stag film doctorate

You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: adventurous plum property associate

Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM
Author: Histrionic indigo really tough guy

Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551)





Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM
Author: Citrine step-uncle's house candlestick maker

O_O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: Histrionic indigo really tough guy

STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314)





Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: Histrionic indigo really tough guy

I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: Laughsome pervert

liberals prefer to blame americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: Blathering dark menage

TITCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: well-lubricated vivacious trump supporter nursing home

you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: bearded aggressive office lettuce

oh they hurt alright, those that could feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM
Author: lilac chad

The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.

On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.

Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564659)





Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777)





Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM
Author: impressive incel

This post = badass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: Lascivious factory reset button

In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.

She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568062)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM
Author: impressive incel

LOL she dates poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: Marvelous Sneaky Criminal Whorehouse

ignorant asshole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568071)





Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM
Author: Lascivious factory reset button

well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

This is the post that started it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM
Author: Tripping senate macaca

9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664709)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM
Author: 180 infuriating fanboi

Skillful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744)





Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM
Author: Citrine step-uncle's house candlestick maker

I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422)





Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM
Author: hairraiser home idea he suggested

i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735)





Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM
Author: magical pit faggot firefighter

They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450)





Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM
Author: big yarmulke crackhouse

http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785)





Date: December 26th, 2006 2:53 AM
Author: Electric skinny woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#7295332)





Date: October 4th, 2008 6:58 PM
Author: Federal twisted gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#10228429)