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The firefighters on Sept. 11 hurt more than they help
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:33 PM Author: sienna hell Their wide, tedious gear clogged up narrow stairwells, and once the firefighters got up there, they didn't actually do anything useful.
Why is it still taboo to point out this well-established fact? The firefighters may have been brave in many cases, but they sure didn't help the overall situation. In fact, by slowing down the evacuation, they hurt a lot, and got people killed. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:35 PM Author: Nudist national security agency national you're a fucking moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563336) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:38 PM Author: sienna hell What part of my statement is false? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563351) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Nudist national security agency national they evacuated hundreds of people who were in shock or unable to get out by themselves, they removed countless obstacles on the floors. hundreds of injured people came pouring out of the upper floors. had the building lasted longer they would have saved thousands of more lives.
firefighters go in to put out fires. you can't blame them for not thinking "hey, the building's going to collapse anyways, lets get some lunch and come back and clean this shit up" |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:50 PM Author: sienna hell Those are largely myths. Read the report by the National Institute of Standards on the collapse of the towers:
Due to the narrowness of the stairwells, all those ascending firefighters dramatically slowed down the progress of the evacuees. For the most part, people helped themselves. The firefighters should have set up a triage chain in the lobby, extending from the stairwell's bottom to arriving ambulances.
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM Author: Nudist national security agency national ok, i'll read it on the way to school tomorrow. http://wtc.nist.gov/images/StackOfFinalReports.jpg |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:48 PM Author: Puce motley skinny woman locale wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563404) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 8:57 PM Author: Bateful Harsh University Volcanic Crater I like how they screamed at people to go back inside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563460) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:06 PM Author: hilarious private investor box office You are unhinged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563525) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:07 PM Author: sienna hell You prove my point. People get mad when a simple Sept. 11 fact like this one comes in and busts up their mythologies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563534) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:08 PM Author: Bateful Harsh University Volcanic Crater FDNY/NYPD = "Warriors" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563542) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:30 PM Author: scarlet bespoke piazza indirect expression Did they pull WTC7 as part of a war ritual? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564094) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:09 PM Author: hilarious private investor box office Obviously, you're correct, but the fact that you think about and trumpet these misleading truths makes you a terrible human being. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563544) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:10 PM Author: sienna hell How is it "misleading," and whom does it mislead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563549) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM Author: hilarious private investor box office I'm not sure what your point is by posting this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563556) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:19 PM Author: Soggy Dun Address Dog Poop seriously? he posts shit because people react, duh! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563977) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:11 PM Author: Bateful Harsh University Volcanic Crater On one hand, you say he's obviously correct, but on the other you state that he's communicating "misleading truths." Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563558) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM Author: hilarious private investor box office It attempts to downplay the tremendous heroism shown by the firefighters in their attempts to save 1,000s of lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563573) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:16 PM Author: citrine cruise ship wow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563581) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:17 PM Author: Bateful Harsh University Volcanic Crater Some would argue that the claims of "tremendous heroism" are even more misleading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563585) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:19 PM Author: hilarious private investor box office Risking your life to trek up a burning building to save strangers' lives is not a display of tremendous heroism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563592) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:20 PM Author: citrine cruise ship you have an unstable definition of "misleading."
it's "misleading," according to you, to mention the perverse effects of the firefighters' actions, since it distracts from their heroism.
on the other hand, you chastise this other poster who says it's "misleading" to focus exclusively on their heroism, since it distracts from the harm they caused.
so really what you're saying is you care solely about the heroism. that's your primary value. to you, anything else is "misleading" as against it, because it tends to denigrate the virtue of their intentions. is this correct? |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:51 PM Author: Splenetic Scourge Upon The Earth Filthpig The semantics or truth of the original statement is not at issue. Sometimes true statements are rude and inappropriate. Most children begin to understand this around age 6-10.
You and OP are pathetic and worthy of zero respect.
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: sienna hell We need to relinquish useless fictions and embrace the hard truth of things. If I was a firefighter, I'd sure as Hell want accurate information about whether or not the actions of my department helped or not, and in what ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564315) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: Splenetic Scourge Upon The Earth Filthpig There's some truth to that. If your intention is to educate fire departments on correct emergency protocol than please go in person to the the appropriate people and let the facts be known.
If your intention is to flame for your amusement (as is evident) at the expense of people who died rather heroically - then you are real life scum.
HTH. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:04 PM Author: onyx parlor so you endorse a do nothing firefighting policy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564427) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: sienna hell When it will save life, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564457) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:12 PM Author: onyx parlor they should have just stayed at the ground floor? are you really expecting NYC firefighters to just stand there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564530) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:18 PM Author: Learning Disabled Toaster they could have admired each others guido chains or waxed each others nuts while waiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564601) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: sienna hell No; I also expect them to ogle and catcall the women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564621) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:20 PM Author: Learning Disabled Toaster *high five* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564626) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: sienna hell Your reply was a 172 at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564638) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:06 PM Author: Learning Disabled Toaster he's suggesting a more efficient policy that would save more lives under similar circumstances. what's wrong about that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564463) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:10 PM Author: Splenetic Scourge Upon The Earth Filthpig Nothing. Although the only relevant and useful way to promote such a policy would be to do so IRL rather than anonymously on XOXO. The manner in which this 'observation' was made suggests flame rather than an attempt to be helpful.
How has this factoid helped anyone by being posted here? |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:16 PM Author: Learning Disabled Toaster this is an unmoderated discussion board, open to any area of human inquiry other than a few illegal ones (trading child porn, etc.). politics are a regularly argued here. it seems like a perfectly fine place to discuss this issue. only freerepublic.com would be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564585) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:30 PM Author: Splenetic Scourge Upon The Earth Filthpig This has nothing to do with anything other than emergency procedures. There's nothing 'political' about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564746) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:34 PM Author: Learning Disabled Toaster do discussions of politics result in some palpable change? do discussions of sports? all sorts of topics are argued here. the ls application, workout, relationship, and restaurant/bar threads are probably the only ones that change people's actions IRL. this topic of this thread is no worse than any other on xoxo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564787) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: citrine cruise ship ty petro. keep on preaching the truth to all us sinners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564482) |
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Date: November 14th, 2006 11:57 AM Author: hairraiser gold newt kitty cat Mao was a pretty big hero too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989795) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 9:14 PM Author: vigorous toilet seat You didn't even mention how much their foolhardy antics cost taxpayers, who have had to subsidize the nouveau rich lifestyles of the firemen's wives and children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6563571) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:08 PM Author: plum field personal credit line Yea I read about this. They make 100K+ just a few years in right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564484) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:14 PM Author: Yapping opaque son of senegal nursing home Who gives a fuck? They are much more useful than most lawyers to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564551) |
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Date: August 7th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Boyish Sable Brunch O_O (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#8485410) |
Date: September 5th, 2006 10:52 PM Author: Yapping opaque son of senegal nursing home STFU Monday Morning QB. How about blaming the filthy arabs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564314) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 10:56 PM Author: sienna hell They are in hell, riding Barbaro in circles around Jim Kelly's dead retard son, while Steve Irwin jams his fist up Yitzhak Rabin's booty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564354) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:09 PM Author: Yapping opaque son of senegal nursing home I am NOT in hell you stoopid puerto rican. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564499) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:03 PM Author: Puce motley skinny woman locale liberals prefer to blame americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564426) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:05 PM Author: onyx parlor TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564445) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:07 PM Author: Brass aromatic home coffee pot you realize you've posted this same exact thread before, you really need to get some new flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564470) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: sienna hell Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564630) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:21 PM Author: Cracking Pink Lodge Associate oh they hurt alright, those that could feel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564632) |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: Bossy Cowardly Karate Mad-dog Skullcap The original poster is flaming, but he is technically right on this point. An analysis of the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 showed that most injuries were caused by evacuating down staircases carrying smokes from the raging fires in the basement. Consequently, a new strategy of "defend in place" was substituted for the "evacuate immediately" strategy then in place. No one was planning for a catastrophic attack like that on 9/11/01, just regular fires and maybe a bomb here or there.
On 9/11/01, few thought that the towers were at risk of collapse. Initially, victims were told to stay in place to avoid the smoke in the stairwells and to await rescuers carrying proper breathing equipment. The stairways were too small and the firefighters going up slowed down the people going out.
Nevertheless, the firefighters, police officers, and rescue personnel acted with great heroism on that day. The original poster just wanted to get some of the attention he is denied in real life, so he consciously ignores that obvious truth. |
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Date: September 5th, 2006 11:33 PM Author: sienna hell Valor in the defense of harm is no virtue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6564777) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 4:52 PM Author: adventurous mahogany theater This post = badass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568021) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: hot dysfunction In a related note, my mom just watched World Trade Center last week, and realized that her first boyfriend from high school in brooklyn was one of the 20 firefighters who were in the WTC when in collapsed but were pulled from the rubble and survived.
She just told me about this 2 minutes ago. strange. |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: adventurous mahogany theater LOL she dates poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568065) |
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: soul-stirring principal's office ignorant asshole
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Date: September 6th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: hot dysfunction well she was pretty poor in 1967. And still is in fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6568073) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:38 PM Author: sienna hell This is the post that started it all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664617) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 3:59 PM Author: Bateful Harsh University Volcanic Crater 9/11 Firefighters: "Fools rush in"
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:08 PM Author: sienna hell Skillful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664744) |
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Date: November 10th, 2006 1:57 PM Author: Boyish Sable Brunch I still laugh when I see FAGGOT FIREFIGHTERS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6963422) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2006 4:06 PM Author: Razzle Infuriating Love Of Her Life i have absolutely no idea why people are even outraged at this. it's called flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6664735) |
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Date: October 8th, 2006 11:38 AM Author: beta big church building They should have sent Jaret Wright up instead, though his lard ass might have causes similar problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6749450) |
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Date: November 14th, 2006 11:56 AM Author: Obsidian pervert nibblets http://stashbox.org/4649/Faggot+Firefighters.wma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=484669&forum_id=2#6989785) |
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