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It'd be a lot more fun if someone were posting Box's private tantrums
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Date: October 27th, 2021 6:26 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat I dated a girl that had the same disease as her before, and my voicemail, email, texts, and such all looked absolutely insane pretty regularly. After a time, you begin to mimic their way of communicating with you, arguments with them become overwrought and performative, the emotional baseline is tuned up a lot, because you're used to this really stubborn fuckhead who solely communicates in this manner and requires obvious emotional displays in kind to empathize with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340354) |
Date: October 27th, 2021 6:34 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat So there's this tactic that arises where they can take this performative energy that's really a reflection of themselves and use it to represent you as unreasonable, unhinged, etc-- which is another important point, these people are extremely manipulative and vindictive, almost to an inhuman extent, and because of the way they are driven to sabotage all of their interpersonal relationships they learn to always prepare themselves to eventually discredit anyone who might have come to care for them. If they sense you are teetering on the edge of their social grasp, they will outright manufacture conflicts and conversations to build some suitable propaganda against you, to exercise on a new supply of sympathetic energy. These people are black holes of undue charity, they will feed on person after person, until utter exhaustion if their targets are so unlucky as to burden themselves with any true feelings of guilt or obligation to this immensely parasitic character. And there are all sorts of mechanisms they develop for training these feelings in you. If you've never experienced a relationship with one of these people, you wouldn't understand why it isn't so easy to just walk away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340388) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 6:53 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat If you find yourself so entrapped, there are not many good options for escape.
What I did was physically isolate myself from this person. Then I prepared for them to come after every possible meaningful social support they were aware I could retreat to. (These people do everything they can to make sure you are dependent on them, and almost always this will involve sabotaging your strongest relationships with people, friends, family, anybody they can exercise some influence over by whatever tactics.) I moved back in with family in another state under the pretense that it would be only for a short time. I immediately stopped sending pictures or videos, I quickly reduced the frequency of calls, and I gradually reduced my level of remaining limited contact with her until inevitably she felt forced to find another sucker (as a main guy, I mean - they have absolutely no reservations against cheating). |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:12 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat You're going to have to lie to her.
If you don't, she's going to do everything in her power to try to get you back - up to possibly even harming herself (you will probably already have experienced countless suicidal gestures intended to manipulate you during the relationship). When her frustration turns into anger, she will certainly go after you personally, professionally, legally, there are *no* boundaries these people respect.
You will feel bad about it. But if you have any good sense left in you, you will know you have to do it. This is the only place I feel like I fucked up. I couldn't lie with a straight face. I did this stupid "irony" shit where I'd just say outright absurd shit any time conversations would become too intimate or probe too closely into what was really happening. It made me feel really bad, and I know I only resorted to this because the part of me that was able to leave wasn't my heart. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat Even after she finds a new sucker, she will try to pull you back in. This could last years. They really never give up permanently, they just distract themselves as long as they can.
They will routinely reach out to you, often in an extremely manipulative and provocative manner. After doing this so many times with so many different people they have a pretty good idea about which are the best buttons to press. If you leave open any avenues for them to approach you like this, you will certainly become upset unless you're also some sort of deranged unfeeling sociopath. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:46 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat This is all really old shit, and I've already bored myself.
The point is these people are just truly extremely malicious, and you basically have to put on your big boy spinning propeller hat when you're looking at any conflict that involves a borderline-disordered person. They're going to have some fancy spiel, they're going to cry, they're going to have "Evidence". They will be in the wrong, every single time.
And if you find yourself in the unfortunate position of actually attracting the romantic attention of one of these people, you have to cut shit off *completely*. There is zero hope and zero use for these people, and I know it's going to look like a shame-- but they belong in the garbage.
If anyone has specific questions I'll try to answer, otherwise I'm done. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:52 PM Author: floppy amethyst personal credit line I’ve only met several people over my life who I strongly suspected to be sociopaths, narcissists, or afflicted with BPD. They were all with one exception utter nightmares to deal with, as superiors, roommates, or friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340701) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:56 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat It's really, really sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340719) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: floppy amethyst personal credit line If you’re a hard determinist or just don’t ultimately believe in moral values at all, you might not blame such people for their actions. But assuming you do believe in something like conventional morality, folks with those personality disorders exhibit the kind of evil that is present in most of us with a degree of consistency and magnitude that is I think basically unfathomable to normal people. Treat or view them as normal, and they’ll tend to surprise you in terrible ways unless you buy their rationalizations or are overly charitable (with decent people it’s generally best to turn the other cheek and to forgive if not forget aberrant bad behavior). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340784) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:16 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat Yes, exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340806) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:51 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
We can say "Jews" here. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:30 PM Author: ocher nudist newt blood rage scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341097) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 12:16 AM Author: aquamarine trump supporter tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43342011) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:47 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43345498) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 6:36 PM Author: Pearly forum Yeah she’s a borderline (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340395) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:15 PM Author: floppy amethyst personal credit line You seem to know a lot or think you know a lot about The Box from a distance. I suppose based on one’s view of the reliability of certain diagnoses, maybe you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340549) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:19 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke he's this person: https://imgur.com/a/NVHkNvC |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:50 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat I don't know how many times I have to tell you, but that's not me. Don't make me file a restraining order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340690) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:04 PM Author: balding resort I'm pretty sure that's you
Edit: that's clearly you |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:07 PM Author: Spectacular startling house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340760) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:10 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke not sure who that is. this is a long-time lurker who only poasts to harass me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340775) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: Spectacular startling house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340786) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 10:24 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341294) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: Charismatic Harsh Pozpig Feces Don't forget that he/she has a huge cock apparently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341348) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: balding resort Do you have history with him? Seems like it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340789) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:14 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke yes, we dated irl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340795) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:14 PM Author: Spectacular startling house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340799) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:42 PM Author: balding resort Shabu? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340909) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:44 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat absolutely slanderous and furthermore disgusting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43345484) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:49 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat There are a couple different strains of the disorder, but the hereditary Jewish one I think mostly always manifests the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340687) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:52 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340709) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:51 PM Author: Boyish kitchen dog poop Man this not-box girl sure sounds like she has so much in common with box, it’s like schrodingers box (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340693) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 7:56 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat See above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340720) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:05 PM Author: balding resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340751) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:07 PM Author: Spectacular startling house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340761) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:10 PM Author: Very Tactful Shivering Clown To be honest, it's intriguing that someone can drive another person this insane. Is the Box that fascinating in person? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340774) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:11 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke p sure his mental illness is the root cause of this behavior and of my dating him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340777) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:14 PM Author: Very Tactful Shivering Clown lol. can't help yourself or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340798) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:16 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke i mean this was 6 years ago, and he wasn't this way in the beginning. we met when he was 21; i've watched his mental health deteriorate over the age range where latent psychotic illnesses typically emerge in men. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340809) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:18 PM Author: Very Tactful Shivering Clown Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340814) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
"He (a younger man I picked up) didn't use to be insane when I first met him, then he dated me (a notoriously crazy diagnosed mentally ill never-married, childless 30+ year old neurotic Borderline Personality Disorder Jewish woman with a well documented decade+ long history of engaging in insane and destructive behavior) for a year and I kept him in my social orbit for a few more years after that, and now he's insane... so yeah I think there's just something inherently wrong with him lol omg hehe why does this keep happening to me hehe am I just unlucky or what hehe hey what did you say *your* name was again, sexy? ;)" |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:45 PM Author: elite ape state 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340927) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:51 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke you're really not at all intelligent and it's mind-boggling that people think u are haha.
i acknowledged that i frequently date crazy people - the implication, of course, was that this tendency stems from my own mental illness. i didn't say or imply anything about luck. i also acknowledged that he wasn't always THIS bad, and like... is that so hard to believe? he's clearly completely deranged now.
you really think it's more likely that i DROVE him insane than that crazy people are attracted to each other? ur genuinely dumb lol |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:52 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
I am gay and retarded and I don't think I'm particularly smart. I have a good memory, I am good at spotting patterns, and I am an excellent amateur armchair psychoanalyst, however. At least, that's what people seem to tell me again and again in an unprompted fashion.
But yeah you're right, ignore everything I say I'm probably just "genuinely dumb" (might be true) and totally off base with all of it haha |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:55 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke i actually respect that you can acknowledge that. i know that your smug writing style is part of your shtick and all, but it's hard not to read as dunning-kruger-y sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340960) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:58 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
I have never claimed to be particularly intelligent.
I have claimed to be generally filled with insight and frequently correct (and ultimately proven as such) when it comes to my critical observations regarding the nature of others and their issues/motivations.
People seem to think that by beating up the former strawman to their satisfaction, they can simply ignore the demonstrable truth value of the latter point. Whatever makes them happy, I guess. So you're right, Box -- it's probably all of those guys, not you. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:01 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340982) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:06 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke see, that last sentence discredits any "insight" that you may have dispensed here, bc you represented my view as almost the exact opposite of what i actually said haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340998) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:08 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
Haha yeah haha |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:57 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat I think I remember this from an old thread here or something:
She scored 129 on a professionally administered IQ test. She doesn't get by on intellect, just on other people underestimating how depraved and single-minded she is. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:31 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen I'm smarter than both of you and can confirm TBF is plenty smart.
It's weird I have to keep pointing this out; it's almost like TBF "triggers" certain types of people |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:35 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat TBF's talents are glaringly obvious.
TBTP always gets like this when she's intellectually defeated, twist documented it pretty hilariously back in the day. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:38 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen for someone who thinks herself "creative" she is absurdly dismissive of XO SAM HYDE who is clearly one of the great artists of our generation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343252) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:41 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat stfu sam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343258) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat If he's anything like me, he faked it to protect himself from you and escape your grasp.
You probably also accused him of being mentally ill on fraudulent grounds throughout the entirety of the relationship, and he probably attended sessions with your therapist at your pleading (a manipulative plot on your part to protest healthy boundary-setting, most notably about hard drug abuse) and when he did see that therapist he probably told him he should leave your ass because you are irredeemable and he is pure and good, and then that therapist probably said something to you that was so insulting to your delusional self-image that you never visited him again despite having used him for years. |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:35 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen therapist sounds based & redpilled. does he perchance have a newsletter to which we could subscribe??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343242) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:43 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat He was Jewish and dropped a several thousand dollar surprise bill on her a few months after she stopped visiting. "Oh yeah, remember how your insurance stopped covering us?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343261) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:45 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343268) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:49 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat No joke one of her complaints about me in front of him, while wearing a hoodie with hebrew print all over it her mom gave her, was that I pretended to be Jewish on the internet to post antisemitic things. He just stared at her and kept talking about something more important. Really liked this guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343281) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen lol. stick around bro, we can always use more based black guys on this Jewish-indian-asian neo-nazi white supremacy web 1.0 law school discussion forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343296) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:53 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat i really liek it here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43343300) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:12 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat If her posting skill is any indication, no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340779) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: Free-loading slippery legal warrant who is the OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340791) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 8:52 PM Author: razzmatazz hot knife range What's stopping you from posting them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340949) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:00 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat They're disturbing, and that would betray a confidence I've never broken before.
I am unlike her - I have Honor. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:02 PM Author: razzmatazz hot knife range Is she threatening you with harm, even now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43340984) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:08 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat I have totally cut off contact with her, as I've advised others to do above. If I hadn't done this, she would certainly be making efforts to manipulate me and cause me distress. Verbalizing direct physical threats was uncommon, but she was often physically violent and once threatened me with a knife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341005) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:10 PM Author: razzmatazz hot knife range That must have been frightening and distressing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341015) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:15 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat It's the clear malicious intent that's most disturbing rather than any particular manifestation of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341033) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:40 PM Author: razzmatazz hot knife range At least you've separated yourself from her and can try to move on and heal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341127) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 10:02 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat She's a real snake, so let's see if I keep getting lucky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341193) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:16 PM Author: narrow-minded french double fault principal's office unnnngggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341034) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:20 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
Retarded Poasters upthread: "Is The Box super beautiful or brilliant or fascinating or something? I don't get it... how is she driving all of these men crazy?!"
Box: *Grabs knife from bedside table and sticks it to your throat as she stares deep into your eyes while you slide inside her for the first time at the end of your first date* "Ughhhh, Godddd, [NAME], you feel SO FUCKING GOOD -- if you cum before I tell you that you're finished pleasuring me, I'm going to slit your fucking throat, OK?" |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:24 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke not sure where you're trying to go with this little fantasy of yours you brought in here from wayyyy out in left field o.0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341069) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:40 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
I know exactly how BPD bitches operate, sister. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:44 PM Author: Boyish kitchen dog poop unnnnnngggggghhhhhhh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341134) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 9:44 AM Author: Ebony liquid oxygen To be fair,
let's be honest: the xo poasters she dated were all obviously incels without her. makes "magical BPD manipulation" a lot easier for a mediocre slut like her. sam hyde didn't get trapped by any witchcraft bc he's not a fucking failure at life like most of boxs toys.
I don't want to b mean 2 new guy who apparently has a massive BBC and hipster girls all over him but those are the facts: boxs victims are losers |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:02 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke i def had my own "OMGMGMGM I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF!!!!1111" fits in my early-to-mid 20s, which were cringy at best and straight-up emotionally abusive at worst. i have discussed these ad nauseum with OP and i've apologized more times than i can count. i've used them to emphasize to him that i was a shitty gf and he's best off moving on. i know what i did was wrong.
but these were - as OP acknowledges - tantrums. his behavior has been consistently psychotic and obsessive over years and years. there's really no comparing the two. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:04 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
OP could be clinically psychotic (and perhaps he is), and even so this laughable self-excusing rationalization and pathetically delusional minimization of your own undeniable insanity would still merit a hearty "haha yeah haha" |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:09 PM Author: rambunctious yarmulke "rationalization and minimization"? lmao literally where? i said that what i did was wrong and emotionally abusive and that i've apologized to him repeatedly. what else would you have me say or do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341010) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:10 PM Author: frisky brunch filthpig To be fair,
"there's really no comparing the two." |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:11 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341016) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:12 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat I don't know anything about this guy she keeps associating me with, but I'm personally a certified stable genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341020) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 9:34 PM Author: balding resort Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341107) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 10:32 PM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat Here I am in another thread being accused of being The Box herself: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4942960&forum_id=2#43341296
This is honestly getting out of hand. |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 11:49 PM Author: bistre lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341839) |
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Date: October 27th, 2021 11:50 PM Author: mind-boggling mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43341845) |
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Date: October 28th, 2021 4:34 AM Author: Diverse burgundy kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4950884&forum_id=2#43342714) |