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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:42 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison Almost all white jury, in SOUTH GEORGIA
can hope right? |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 11:12 PM Author: canary fighting halford if i were on that jury i would be so hardcore NG it would be amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43476378) |
Date: November 19th, 2021 1:42 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472171) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502468) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:42 PM Author: Rose thirsty elastic band gas station No, defendants were obviously not prepared to testify (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472176) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:12 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate Very true. The younger one really fucked himself multiple times. These defense lawyers are clowns and the prosecutor seems to be pretty damn competent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472630) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: pink abode keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43480990) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:44 PM Author: bateful generalized bond liquid oxygen they don't deserve it / that video is damning. Rittenhero acted in self-defense against a mob of terrorists. Those fat hicks chased some black down and shot him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472206) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:44 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison didn't he attack them though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472213) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:45 PM Author: Passionate private investor he attacked them first, they didn't have their guns drawn on them, citizen's arrest was lawful in ga, and was fleeing the scene of a crime, and they were lawfully possessing firearms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472235) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:46 PM Author: bateful generalized bond liquid oxygen video of him attacking them? They confronted him, he defended himself, he ran off, they gunned him down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472248) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: Passionate private investor the video you just poasted at :41
arbery runs at the dude with the shotgun, you hear it fire at 0:42. no evidence the shotgun was pointed at arbery. dude in the pickup didn't have a gun drawn, as you can see at around :43 he has his hands blocking the sun, and then reaches down and readies a pistol.
they blocked his path (again: citizen's arrest was legal in ga) and he chimped out and attacked the dude holding the shotgun. no evidence any gun was every pointed at him. he was fleeing the scene of a crime.
where are you getting that he "ran ran off and they gunned him down"? at :43 you can see arbery grabbing the gun with one hand and punching the hick in the face with the other. at around :49 they return into frame and he's doing the same thing. he never tried to run off again. the boxed him in and he chimped out and attacked him. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:05 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate What do you mean by guns drawn? The younger guy was standing in the street with his shotgun out when Arbery came around the truck.
Defendants also, will probably not have the citizen's arrest statute available to them. They didn't witness or have immediate knowledge of Arbery committing a crime. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:19 PM Author: Passionate private investor how does one possess a long gun and not have it "drawn?" he was holding the shotgun at his chest, not pointed at arbery. he was not in any threatening position and there was no indication he was about to shoot arbery, and that arbery had no choice but to fight for his life.
agreed on the citizens arrest statute. i said itt i think the hicks are going down. however, i don't think they should. the purpose of actually witnessing the crime is so that there is absolute certainty someone who is arrested by a citizen is a criminal, and people don't just go arresting people on hearsay and suspicion. they had the right guy. they knew they had the right guy, other's had seen him and just they had video from other incidents. they're within the spirit of the law. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:26 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate the guy testified otherwise about the positioning of the gun when Arbery came around the truck.
The threatening situation was the entire fucking chase. It's not threatening to have two trucks chasing you around town and then blocking you off? On top of that you see one guy get out of the truck wit a shotgun. This isn't threatening?
Edit: I'd argue they were well outside the spirit and letter of the citizens' arrest statute. All they had was hearsay as to any crime committed on that day and who it might have been. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:38 PM Author: Passionate private investor not when you're fleeing the scene of a crime in a neighborhood you've been robbing for two weeks. yeah, it's threatening. just like if someone chases me down after i rob them i would feel threatened. i still wouldn't be entitled to attack them if he caught me and told me to wait until the cops came. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472958) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:42 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate Defendants weren't robbed. Sure, if Arbery mugged the defendants and then they chased him down it's a very different story. The citizens arrest statute was not meant to enable a posse to hunt people down based on hearsay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473006) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:51 PM Author: Passionate private investor the statute doesn't say only victims of the crime can perform the arrest, only that they witnessed it. granted they didn't witness the crime and i concede they are not within the letter of the statute. but they had the right guy. this wasn't just "hearsay", there had been multiple videos over the weeks and reports.
the purpose of the "witnessing" portion was to guarantee posse's don't hunt people down on hearsay. this was way closer to actually witnessing than mere hearsay. i agree they're probably going down because the statute doesn't apply and because the jury is likely to find that arbery was provoked and thus self defense does not apply. it just don't think it should. at best these guys are guilty of false imprisonment or reckless endangering. but i don't think arbery was in a flight or flight situation where he felt like if he didn't attack he would die. this was a michael brown situation where he knew he was guilty and chimped out on a man with a gun, who had no choice but to defend himself. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:56 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate That's fair. I guess i disagree with your interpretation of his reaction as shown in the video but it's at least plausible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473142) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:03 PM Author: Passionate private investor even a large part of xo is coming out on the side of arbery, so i'm sure my view are in the minority.
if arbery was an actual jogger and a bunch of hicks with guns chased him down, i'd absolutely say he was in the right. although, even then i think most people would just wait for the cops to come rather than thinking these people would kill them in cold blood. from the video he immediately runs up and attacks the guy after he's blocked in. i think 99% of people would be like "hey, wtf are you doing?!" and not charge a man wielding a gun.
i'm a little torn, because one on hand i think people should be able to protect their community. on the other, i don't think roving bands of armed hicks chasing down suspicious pocs is a good idea. i come down on the side of the hicks because arbery was robbing them and because, to me at least, he didn't seem actually in fear for his life.
i fully expect the hicks to go down, and i'm not really going to shed a tear about it. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:24 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth No offense bro, but u kinda sound like the AWFL's typical response to Kyle: "WHY WAS HE EVEN THERE?!?!?!?!"
Come on, u'd definitely fear for your life if some dumb hicks in a pickup truck with a punchdrunk yee-haw loading his shotgun in the back came barrelling at u |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:32 PM Author: Passionate private investor i just admitted i would. just like i'd fear for my life if i robbed somebody and they chased me down with a shotgun, which exactly what happened to our hero jogger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474775) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:42 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Couldn't they just have used a baseball bat or golf club and bludgeoned him? He wasn't armed and he probably wouldn't have died then. Or hit him with the blunt end?
Or even ran him over? |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:55 PM Author: Passionate private investor did you watch the vid? they're blocking his path and HE runs up and attacks the dude with the gun, grabbing the gun, and punching him in the face. it looks like the jogger is winning. at that point the rednecks had no choice.
if you're saying they shouldn't have had guns at all: they were within their rights to have guns. and what if he had a gun? then they'd all be dead. if i was going to run down some dude who had been robbing houses in broad daylight, i certainly wouldn't do it with a louisville slugger. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:56 PM Author: buff cracking tank 100% correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474896) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 7:11 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth In that situation, AA could've claimed self defense (he was in reasonable fear for his life or severe bodily injury) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43475015) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 8:38 AM Author: Passionate private investor that's bullshit.
1) he wasn't. you know he wasn't. maybe you can make a reasonable argument that a reasonable would be, but, c'mon. look at the vid. this isn't a situation where someone is forced to defense themselves or die. he chimped out because he knows he was caught red handed. a reasonable person who was stopped like this out for a jog would not have done this. especially not without talking first. he doesn't stop and say "what's going on", he IMMEDIATELY launches into an attack.
2) you shouldn't be able to claim self defense when you're fleeing a crime. i'm not sure what the GA law is on this, i'm just speaking about what the law should be. he was fleeing a crime in a neighborhood he had robbed for weeks. he must have known that the neighbors were likely pissed. if he WAS in reasonable fear of his life, he provoked that by robbing them for weeks. i'm not saying people should be entitled to run criminals down and kill them, but i do think people should be able to run criminals down and hold them until the cops arrive. if you're fleeing a crime and you fear for your life, i don't think you should be able to claim self defense unless there is overwhelming evidence you had a reasonable fear. a couple hicks blocking your path is not a reasonable fear. if they were going to kill him, they would have. you had a hick with a shotgun and a hick with a pistol in the truck bed. the jogger was on foot. it would have been simple to shoot him. he rolled the dice and thought they'd be too scared to do it. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:46 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison yeah I mean if whites in South Georgia don't acquit we know we're in trouble. Those good boys deserve nothing more than some minor charge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472253) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:44 PM Author: Passionate private investor they're like chauvin. they should, but you know they won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472219) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:44 PM Author: Duck-like vibrant boltzmann no. they actually murdered that guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472222) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:45 PM Author: canary fighting halford He was grabbing their gun like the low life criminal he was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472238) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:49 PM Author: bateful generalized bond liquid oxygen seen the video? those fat hicks are fucked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3JDE_ZfgSE |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:24 PM Author: Pungent Famous Landscape Painting he was being chased and cornered by armed men (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43481121) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 5:55 PM Author: Brindle set exactly. we must stand on the side of truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474570) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:45 PM Author: canary fighting halford They should
Just like zimm they are only on trial bc that lying faggot Ben crump got hired to publicize this low life thug |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:46 PM Author: smoky church no the cucks have determined that they have to compensate for their grudging support of Kyle by throwing these two poor bastards under the bus for being RACIST |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:50 PM Author: filthy amethyst point ZERO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472319) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:51 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison I disagree. I think we got a shot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472344) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: Crystalline embarrassed to the bone gaming laptop They absolutely should but they absolutely won’t (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472465) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:00 PM Author: Chocolate Circlehead Stock Car they shouldnt and they wont. barring insane never released drone footage, which is possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472473) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:01 PM Author: Chrome Parlour cr it's still the case you can defend yourself against whites but not blacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472491) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:13 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate Defend yourself by chasing a dude on foot down in trucks for 5 minutes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472648) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:17 PM Author: smoky church no, defending yourself when he attacks you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472701) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:20 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate The guys chased him down in trucks for five minutes, then surrounded him and one guy got out with a shotgun. None of them ever announced that they were attempting to make a citizens arrest. WTF was Arbery meant to think was going on? These idiots created an extreme fight or flight situation. It's perfectly reasonable for Arbery to assume, when they blocked the street with one of the trucks, that the only way he gets out of this alive is to fight for his life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472740) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:34 PM Author: Sickened vivacious hairy legs They lawfully conducted a citizens arrest. He attacked. They defended.
Different characterization. The crux of the issue is whether the citizems arrest was lawful. It probably should be according to the spirit (and arguably letter) of the law. Im sure the jury will find otherwise tho. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:39 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate They were well outside the citizens arrest statute both in letter and spirit. Defense couldn't come up with any case even remotely similar to this one where someone successfully utilized that statute. They were chasing the guy down based on hearsay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472971) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:43 PM Author: smoky church he probably should have assumed that it was connected to his prowling around, trespassing and casing houses in the middle of the night in these people's neighborhood, many miles from his own? this is no different from a 'neighborhood watch' scenario. people observing and following a suspicious person in their own neighborhood believed to be in the process of committing a crime.
he created a context in which it was not unreasonable that these people would be following him -- in order to try to identify him, to see where he was going, to see if he was threatening their neighbor's property, etc. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:50 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate he probably should have assumed, eh? can you point me to that standard in the citizens arrest statute? you know what could have cleared things up a bit? The idiots announcing to Arbery what they were doing, at any point in the 5 minute chase.
It's became very different from a neighborhood watch following someone when these guys decided to block the street and get out with a shotgun in hand.
This is really weak shit, man. I realize these self defense cases have been, in the past, events where libs are dead wrong about facts and the law and end up looking foolish but this isn't one of them. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:02 PM Author: smoky church Arberry, like Rosenbaum and the arsonists and thugs in Kenosha, was a piece of human garbage, a predator, who came to these people's neighborhood to prey on them.
the people defending Arberry/Rosenbaum are clearly out to pervert the law whenever possible in order to inflict maximum harm on the Kyle Rittenhouses and Travis McMicahels of the world, so i don't really care much about its scrupulous application in the opposite direction, when it is suddenly to their advantage.
he brought the situation on himself, by being a scumbag predator, then escalated it by attacking. now you want to send these guys to prison for life? absurd. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:34 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate A bit long winded, but I'm glad to see you recognize that you're wrong and just working off of your feelings here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473550) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:38 PM Author: smoky church i hope a nigger kills you and your family enjoy reaping what you sow, you mendacious kike |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:45 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate Well then, I hope a roving posse of rednecks kill you and yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473668) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:09 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate No. It looks like they won't have the citizens' arrest statute as a viable defense. Notwithstanding that, they chased him for like 5 minutes without ever indicating that they were trying to effectuate a citizens' arrest. They eventually surround him with two trucks and a guy on the street with a shotgun out, creating a peak-level fight or flight situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472598) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:28 PM Author: Sickened vivacious hairy legs Referring to the guy as a jogger concedes the whole thing. The fact we all knew exactly who u were talking about shows the efficacy of lib messaging on this one and should clue u in as to assured outcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472852) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:34 PM Author: jade bearded candlestick maker double fault Kind of insane that there are poasters here who think they should get off. It's not really comparable when you initiate the encounter with the threat of death and then try to claim self-defense when the victim tries to fight back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472914) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:40 PM Author: Chocolate Circlehead Stock Car Idk everyone here got redpilled on the Zimmerman thing so it's conceivable that something is missing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43472974) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:59 PM Author: Brilliant Public Bath I’m fully open to being wrong about this since the lib media will lie blatantly and unrepentantly.
But as far as I can tell there isn’t really a coherent defense story. I’m sure the guy was a burglar, but they didn’t catch him red handed. And unlike Zimmerhero who was attacked without cause, these guys cornered him.
Dumbasses video tapes themselves too. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:42 PM Author: Passionate private investor initiating an encounter with *someone fleeing from a crime in a neighborhood he had been robbing for weeks* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473014) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 9:58 PM Author: Duck-like vibrant boltzmann i just came back to look at this thread and it's kinda bugged out. let's put aside his "jogger" status and that he is likely EXACTLY who they were looking for this story isn't even remotely close to kyle scenario. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43480986) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:04 PM Author: Startled indian lodge From a legal standpoint not exactly close. From the standpoint of someone trying to protect their community, getting attacked for it and unfortunately having to put down a violent criminal, it's pretty close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43481012) |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 8:56 AM Author: bossy range pisswyrm Kind of insane that a bunch of racist shitheads think it's okay to murder an unarmed Black man?
Odd case. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 2:51 PM Author: Anal location I haven't watched any of this trial but I think they are truly f**ked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473092) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: Domesticated Church Building Kyle's actions were righteous, he was bravely protecting his community and showed tremendous restraint to stay within his rights. Can't really say that for these guys, and it's much harder to be sympathetic for them. Citizen's arrest is a contradictory and outdated practice that we probably don't really need in a world where everybody has a hi def camera in their pocket to just get evidence and let the cops do their job. Not to mention an extended scooby doo chase involving multiple trucks chasing a nog on foot and carried out with lethal force for the crime of 'suspected trespassing and burglary' is clearly excessive even if a citizen's arrest could otherwise be justified. I've heard people claim that the Sheriff actually told them to grab their guns and chase him, it's fucked up if that's true and I'm not sure how culpable they would be for carrying out instructions like that. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:21 PM Author: Startled indian lodge Assuming the jogger had been stealing shit from the community for months, including guns, and the police couldn't or wouldn't do anything, how exactly should the community respond in this situation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473413) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:26 PM Author: Domesticated Church Building he was stealing power tools from a construction site, right?
they could take his picture, try to see if they could find a shoeprint or something, and send that to the police and the local news, put up posters with his face on it even chasing him away probably would have been good enough to scare him - when I was growing up a 'teen' broke into our garage, my dad heard the alarm go off and chased him for 3 blocks with a golf club. I don't think that was wrong, but I also don't think my dad would've bashed the guy's skull in even if he caught him and they ended up scuffling. Needless to say he never came back. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: Startled indian lodge Don't fight the hypo. I haven't followed the trial, but the hypo above including the stolen gun is what I remember from when the story first broke.
Also assume your crack detective tips are worthless, what then, do nothing? |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: Domesticated Church Building come on, even a dumbfuck nig thief isn't gonna come back if you chase him away and put up neighborhood watch signs, he'll just move on to somewhere else where hopefully the cops are less useless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473617) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:44 PM Author: Startled indian lodge So now the chase is justified, just not the attempted arrest? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473649) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 4:00 PM Author: Domesticated Church Building Their chase and arrest were legally justified because they had evidence to suspect he had comitted felony burglary, no dispute there. But they don't get to claim self defense when they carried out the arrest with more force than was necessary and especially after boxing in a guy who was trying to escape. I'm sure moron libs have tried to claim Huber and co were heroes chasing Kyle to citizen's arrest him after he shot Rosenbaum and they're just as wrong as you. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 4:03 PM Author: Startled indian lodge Oh okay "gunguy831". Good luck with those neighborhood watch signs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473837) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:38 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth 100 % correct brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474799) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:48 PM Author: buff cracking tank Arbery grabbed one of their guns wtf else were they supposed to do you psycho? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474846) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 12:13 PM Author: Passionate private investor "more force than was necessary" they literally just stood there until he attacked them.
i'm really finding it hard to fathom the mind of someone who thinks the arrest and chase was justified, but that they didn't act in self defense. if you think chasing him down and boxing him in is wrong then it logically follows you think they shouldn't be able to claim self defense (even though i vehemently disagree). i really cannot grasp someone can think the chase and stop is justified but that the hicks were not entitled to self defense after the jogger lunged at their gun and started punching them in the face. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 12:20 PM Author: buff cracking tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43478181) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:14 PM Author: Sepia windowlicker lodge Look, if I were king of the world I would let them off. Libs would cry and I would respond with "if you don't like it, don't steal shit." But that's not where we are as a society.
The truth is that Kyle shouldn't have even gone to trial. It was obvious self-defense. These guys aren't clear cut like that. And because libs are still holding their thumbs on the scales of justice, it isn't looking good for these guys. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:36 PM Author: Passionate private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473565) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:41 PM Author: bateful generalized bond liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502464) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 5:30 PM Author: Sepia windowlicker lodge ^ I was right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502997) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 3:35 PM Author: red sandwich kitchen no, bc only white hispanics are allowed to do that in self defense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43473558) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 5:47 PM Author: peach irate marketing idea Arbery was a piece of shit and he brought this on himself. That said, these guys were idiots and should be convicted of manslaughter. This is a case completely unlike Kyle's. In this case, everybody is in the wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474516) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 5:48 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison I would be ok with manslaughter for these boys. It's not murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474524) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:29 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth So chasing some dude with loaded rifles and shooting him dead because u think he stole some shit from billybob ur 2nd cuz twice is okay
And im still 180 fuck libs. |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:43 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison Jogger nig attacked them first
Honestly I hope they get completely acquitted but I'd *understand* manslaughter |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:51 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth They had guns locked and loaded at him
Just run him over with car if he goes insane, but don't shoot him |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 1:58 PM Author: nofapping up-to-no-good telephone ladyboy there is no reason to believe they intended to shoot him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43507025) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:27 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman This consensus among white cucks itt shows how fucked we are. You idiots have allowed the goalposts to be moved so far that only in the clearest cases do you stand up for what is right. In a case like this, you are resigned to accepting that criminal nigs can terrorize your close-knit community and when when they nig out as you try to confront them, you are just supposed to let them kill you or accept spending years in prison. It's also sad that these cucks are determined to apply what they think is a good faith application of the law (albeit a heavily deluded one after endless conditioning) seemingly oblivious to the fact that they will get nothing close in return from the other side. Kyle got off by the skin of his teeth in a case that no sane society would have charged him with; meanwhile nigs and anti-whites burned the entire city when one of their own dies through no one else's fault (Saint George, Jacob Blake etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474750) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:30 PM Author: Boyish coldplay fan garrison Yup. Kyle verdict can be celebrated but it is also a symbol of how poisonous this society is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474763) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:32 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Completely agree with kyle, saint floyd etc, but how tf was this justified? They chased him with loaded rifles without even seeing a crime
That's what police are for bro |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:38 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman Ljl the police don't do anything to nig criminals and it's not like they were chasing the wrong guy. Every society that existed before the globohomo, anti-white-male nanny state that has existed for the last 50 years, it would have been considered completely reasonable for upstanding community members to attempt to apprehend a suspected criminal who had invaded their community (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474793) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:49 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Does that attempt have to include shooting? Couldn't they just have ran him over or bludgeoned him? Kept him alive even tho he freaks out? He wasn't armed at all & they spent awhile chasing him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474847) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 11:10 PM Author: Startled indian lodge Jogger probably stole multiple firearms from that neighborhood. Completely reasonable to chase him down with shotguns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43476371) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:49 PM Author: buff cracking tank Exactly 100% correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474850) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:27 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth thank jesus kyle's free, but these hicks should rot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474747) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:32 PM Author: Jet-lagged Messiness Total unclear from the video what went down. Unless you watched the trial, it’s unclear to me how you could have a strong opinion here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474771) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:33 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman White cucks itt just accept media narrative unless it is painfully false and they bother to do some digging (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474777) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:35 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Links bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474787) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:39 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman Did you watch the jogger trial? If not, you don't know what you're talking about and your opinion is heavily influenced by the media's selective reporting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474806) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:46 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Then describe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43474831) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:50 AM Author: buff cracking tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477810) |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:35 PM Author: ebony chad ticket booth Agree. We liked Kyle because he was a dweeby one-time loser who stood up for his community and did everything THE RIGHT WAY.
Worse black pill if he went down |
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Date: November 19th, 2021 6:57 PM Author: buff cracking tank This thread is depressing as fuck and a great exhibit why america is fucked.
Gunneratt and Free Kyle have the correct perspective here easily and everyone arguing that the rednecks are guilty deserves the shithole that this country has become. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 8:51 AM Author: Passionate private investor i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. i've gotten shouted out for being a shitlib during some xoxo topics, yet i seem to be in the minority here. i need people to confirm they've watched the video a couple times before they engage me on this. it's only like a minute and the salient part is like 5 seconds.
he's fleeing a crime. they block his path. he RUNS up and GRABS the shotgun and starts PUNCHING THE HICK IN THE FACE. this is not something someone does when they're in reasonable fear of death. a reasonable person who is 100 ft away from two armed men knows they're fucked and would talk or surrender. no one had pointed a gun at him (some dispute about this but it's not in the vid). and if they did, he still ran like 100ft up to them and they didn't fire a shot.
it's amazing so see how cucked out the us has become, especially seeing this shit on xo. we used to believe in community policing. since time immemorial citizens have been empowered and even expected to police and defend their communities. obviously not vigilante justice, and there should be a very high bar on when a citizen can hold another legally. but we've completely rejected that now, to the point where when people step up for their community they're looked at with suspicion or disgust. fucking kikes just want to make us all little islands, rootless cosmopolitans that don't give a shit about each other. and then people are left scratching their heads about kitty genovese or the woman on the philly train getting raped and no one doing anything. this is exactly why. fucking criminals do whatever the fuck they want in major cities and everyone just looks away. because they know the government and the people won't have their back. so we just tolerate lawlessness. why kind of community and society is that? |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 8:54 AM Author: Rose thirsty elastic band gas station You're 100% right, I just think they'll be found guilty because of their poor testimony and incompetent lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477453) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 8:55 AM Author: Passionate private investor yeah if you see my top level comment itt i say that they'll fry but they shouldn't. i fully expect the clown world to convict these guys. i'm just saying that they shouldn't and that they didn't do anything wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477456) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 9:46 AM Author: buff cracking tank You are 100% correct about every word you’re saying here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477609) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:33 AM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman Cr. What's most disillusioning is that everyone itt who thinks the hicks should fry views themselves as a pro-American patriot. They have no clue how deluded they've become (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477976) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: buff cracking tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43477978) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:40 AM Author: smoky church it's the introjected Cuck Reflex there is a little jewish voice deep inside every 'conservative's' head saying 'Pssst! Throw the Arberry defendants under the bus, then people will think you are a SENSIBLE moderate! Not a r-a-c-i-s-t.' |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:44 AM Author: Passionate private investor the forcememeing of reptiles = racist has really done a number on people. just look at how reptiles venerate ANY conservative poc. reptiles need to wake up an realize no matter what they do libs will accuse them of being raycis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43478016) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: Mildly Autistic Stag Film Patrolman Cucks have a deep-seeded unconscious aversion towards anything that is pro white, pro community or androcentric (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43478042) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: Passionate private investor 100% due to lib or kike indoctrination. our natural instinct is to be a community and take care of each other, which is why every society on earth has developed into a system like that.
this is why the world seems so hellish and confusing to many. it goes against our natural instinct. uncle ted wrote about this more eloquently than i ever could. the constant indoctrination that we should not only NOT serve our community individually, but that it is ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL for us to do so is being constantly hammered into our heads. just look at kyle and the arbery hicks and how people bleat about how they "shouldn't have been there". 100 years ago if something like this happened we'd look at the men who did nothing and ask "why didn't you do anything?" |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 3:43 PM Author: Startled indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43479148) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 11:42 AM Author: Passionate private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43478007) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: Duck-like vibrant boltzmann im gonna need to read up on this case because you normally are a voice of reason and maybe im wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43480991) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:13 PM Author: Passionate private investor i'm glad you think so highly brother, i went back and reconsidered my position based on your poasts itt since i value your opinions. i was just got through retyping about 1/2 of my version of events before realizing i've probably done it 10x already itt and you can read it.
watch the vid a couple times. they're blocking the road. they know police are coming. there's a car behind the jogger. they don't make any threatening gestures. jogger runs up to the hicks and attacks first, keeps attacking, grabbing gun, punching in the face. the hick looked like he was getting overpowered badly.
this seems almost exactly like michael brown. i can't explain why someone would charge a man with a gun telling them to stop. especially two men. he probably thought they'd be too scared to actually shoot. idk. but nevertheless, it seems to me they never intended to hurt him, and that their body language would not put him in fear for his life. he was escaping a crime in a neighborhood he had been robbing for weeks. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:17 PM Author: buff cracking tank Can you link the best version for posters to watch? The deep state tries hard to bury clear videos of this, Kyle, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43481073) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:20 PM Author: Passionate private investor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIve50vSeLQ&ab_channel=AtlantaJournal-Constitution
i recommend watching :10-:20 several times in slow mo |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:18 PM Author: doobsian 180 degenerate The mental illness required to link Kitty Genovese with this is really staggering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43481083) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:23 PM Author: Passionate private investor c'mon man, don't be a faggot and take that out of context. i didn't "link" them. i was ranting about how citizens have lost the feeling that they're responsible for their communities, and how we've become rootless and separated. kitty is a stark example.
obviously chasing down someone fleeing after committing a property crime is significantly different than ignoring a rape in progress. ok? i'm not linking or conflating them at all. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:31 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty Titmfcr.
If we can't defend and protect our communities who are we? People have been lulled into false security by relying on daddy government for too long and forgot that at the end of the day we can come together locally and behave far more reasonably than people imagine. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:32 PM Author: buff cracking tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43481169) |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:43 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty Also Judge Schroeder trolled us all he was never going to let Kyle do time but he knew the jury would be reasonable and that the good people of Kenosha are fair and just.
Schroeder is actually an anti globalist by proving provincials can self govern and adjudicate without some kind of top down universal law. Fed Gov STEAMING over their inability to intervene and dole out international JUSTICE on Kyle for crimes against the International Community. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:44 PM Author: smoky church Deep State is using BLM + 'defund the police' to undermine and eventually eliminate local police departments and replace them with some kind of 'woke' (((federal LE))), which, in the interest of 'equity', will refuse to respond to 911 calls placed by whites reporting blacks committing crimes in their neighborhoods. (we've already seen the left attempt to criminalize whites calling 911 on blacks in blue states/cities.)
in the end, you will have 1) no right to self-defense, 2) no 2nd amendment, 3) no police protection.
you have no choice but to prepare to defend your own community at this point. |
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Date: November 20th, 2021 10:28 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty You make some great points and you have definitely pulled me more in your direction on this. I was 90/10 convict (still not beyond a reasonable doubt) but now I'm around 60/40.
I do think they had a right to protect their community. My biggest issue is them blocking him in with their truck which is a bit rough for me and goes against his freedom to be on a public road.
Brandishing guns to me is tough. It may not be provocative but certainly supports that he would have reasonably feared for his life. It's hard to argue that he wouldn't have been freaked out after potentially false imprisonment.
Even if no provocation he's still reasonable to behave in self defense. Big question though is whether his actions were unreasonable. I'm sort of on the fence here because he did behave completely irrationally and unpredictably out of nowhere and didn't even try to make sense of the situation before turning violent. That being said he may have still been somewhat justified.
Have to vote to equit only because evidence not beyond a reasonable doubt. I guess I'm kind of fence sitting right now but working my way towards acquittal. You definitely have schooled me on the law here a bit. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 4:01 PM Author: soul-stirring emerald idiot Community policing should be done by... you know, the police (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502580) |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 11:25 AM Author: canary fighting halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43506415) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2021 7:34 AM Author: buff cracking tank https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arbery-trial-judge-delivers-massive-blow-defense-eve-closing-statements (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43487339) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2021 7:37 AM Author: soul-stirring emerald idiot they fukked.
What is the best state in the country? |
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Date: November 22nd, 2021 12:20 PM Author: Chrome Parlour according to flw, montana (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43488623) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 2:42 PM Author: buff cracking tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502129) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:01 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty I did well ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502240) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:04 PM Author: buff cracking tank I wouldn't pat yourself on the back, you let the jew media turn you into a 90/10 convict position even with years of XO experience knowing all the media does is lie, that's pathetic & retarded & you should have known better, sorry. at least you listened to guneratt and went to 60/40 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502252) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:10 PM Author: Passionate private investor tyty
tbf, i always said they were likely to get convicted. and under the law maybe they should be convicted. i just think the law is fucked and that morally they did nothing wrong, and in fact their actions should be celebrated and what we want our citizens to do. the most i will concede is that you shouldn't go after criminals based on hearsay, but that's a technicality, and when you actually have the right guy (when talking about citizens, not police) i think that shouldn't be used as a shield to prevent a citizens arrest from being valid.
the biggest takeaway in this case is the media forcememeing the "jogger" narrative so effectively. he wasn't "jogging", he was fleeing a neighborhood he had been robbing for weeks. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:13 PM Author: buff cracking tank hopefully the jewish heart attack jab you took won't suddenly kill you & you'll be poasting for years to come (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502312) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:56 PM Author: Passionate private investor i'm a healthy lad, hope i'm fine.
it would be 180 the jewish heart attack jab did kill a bunch of people, as the political demographics would shift considerably. i'll be watching from on high as the nevervaxxers reclaim this great country from the surviving libs. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:12 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty I stand by my beliefs. Protecting my neighborhood is important but literal vigilantism is not acceptable.
These guys botched it. I don't think they intended to kill but when you cowboy up and wind up over your ski tips it's not surprising.
If you want to expand citizen's rights to act more like the defendants that's okay if that's your belief. Then contact your local legislators.
The law as it is written does not support the defendant's behavior. Maybe it should fuck if I know, but it doesn't. You actually don't want random hicks driving around in trucks with guns following people just because they're suspicious. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:18 PM Author: Passionate private investor i agree with the concept of what you're saying, but i disagree that they followed arbery and stopped him because "he was suspicious". if arbery was an actual jogger and a bunch of racist hicks boxed him in based on nothing, i would be on your side. but he was robbing the neighborhood for weeks and was caught on video casing construction sites that morning. this wasn't some amorphous mere suspicion, they had evidence he was the guy and he WAS in fact the guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502334) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 4:24 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty Do we know that individual was robbing the neighborhood for weeks or do we merely suspect it? Did this come out in court testimony?
What was he suspected of on the day in question? Was he caught breaking the law? What were the defendants made aware of on that day?
This is where community policing gets blurry. It's not like the police who collect evidence, have a process in their investigations, and have a legal right to detain citizens if they have probable cause.
Lots of issues with the way this went down.
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Date: November 24th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Passionate private investor this has been so obscured by the media it's hard to tell, after all they're still persisting with the jogger narrative. i'm not even sure if this was allowed into evidence.
but what i know is that the neighbors had video and testimony (whether or not it was admitted at trial) that they neighborhood was getting robbed for weeks, and that that morning arbery, who fit the description, was casing a construction site. considering that i think it's almost certain he was the guy, especially since there were no reports of more robberies afterwards.
i hear what you're saying about the threshold of evidence needed. however, police require all those things because of the 4th amendment, and they are also trained in the law. i think citizens should have more leeway if there is a *bona fide and reasonable belief* that the person is a criminal. and unlike police they can't search or do anything. all they can do is make someone wait until police comes. that doesn't seem too onerous. and if they didn't meet that threshold of hold a citizen, like if they were just rounding up suspicious blacks based on nothing, they would be guilty of false imprisonment.
reasonable minds can differ and debate over what threshold of evidence or belief should be necessary for a citizen to arrest someone. however that bar is set, however, i think it should be met in this case. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay disagree. standards should be incredibly high for citizens to detain other citizens. i dont want random dudes playing cop based on their idea of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion", and i certainly wouldn't extend them more leeway than the cops get. basically the georgia law had it right, if you arent right there seeing what is happening, and there is no clear and present danger, then call the cops and let it go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503515) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty This is exactly it. When it comes to laws you have to think about their theoretical conclusions.
I think gunner's heart is in the right place. I understand that he wants more community involvement. But there are consequences to deputizing private citizens. It can go awry very quickly.
New laws are tricky due to unintended consequences (see any blue state). |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 8:59 AM Author: bossy range pisswyrm "reasonable minds can differ and debate over what threshold of evidence or belief should be necessary for a citizen to arrest someone."
No, they can't.
Why?
Because the "Citizens Arrest" law in Ga was a slave law that was created to capture
*gasps*
RUNAWAY SLAVES!
Reasonable minds can't differ and debate on the validity of a law that was designed to force human beings back into bondage. Just because it survived the institution of slavery doesn't mean it gained a more noble purpose. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 3:43 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay completely agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43502475) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:13 PM Author: smoky church so let me see if i have the logic right
1. you go overboard on citizen's arrest of burglar 2. you are then obligated to allow the burglar to attack you and seize your gun and shoot you |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:18 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay put it this way. a guy points a gun at your head and tries to rob you. you try to push the gun away, he shoots you and kills you. justified self-defense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503523) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:23 PM Author: Passionate private investor you can come up with a better hypo than that. that's excessively clear provocation. these guys were trying to stop him from running away before the police arrived. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503543) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:26 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay yeah but they werent justified to do so, so essentially they were falsely imprisoning him, or perhaps even attempting to kidnap him if they were going to throw him in the truck. it's not a small thing. again, a good reason to not try to pull off a "citizens arrest" with guns unless you are damn sure you have the right to do so. curtailing the liberty of others should not be taken lightly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503557) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:33 PM Author: Passionate private investor i don't think it's fair to apply such a high burden of knowing the law to citizens. if a cop arrests you and it turns out there was no pc, even though he thought there was, he doesn't get charged with false imprisonment.
i think what really matters is a reasonable and actual belief that the person is a criminal. look, i'm a YUGE libertymo and definitely don't want a system where 85iq hicks and can stop and detain people because cleetus thinks i look suspicious. but in this situation i think they had a sufficient level of certainty to stop him. and, even if they didn't, their crime is unlawfully detaining him and recklessly endangering him. but i don't think they did anything to make arbery fear for his life such that he felt the only way out of this situation was to charge an armed man as a hail mary to saving his own life. i think he just chimped out. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:38 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay i get where youre coming from, i just see it differently. i dunno what 'malice murder' is, and i strongly believe that the whole concept of felony murder is retarded, but i think a just outcome would be for the dude who pulled the trigger to get manslaughter and the other two to get false imprisonment. arbery was certainly no saint, but shit happens and the people most culpable for creating the situation are the rednecks imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503596) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:44 PM Author: Passionate private investor that would be much more acceptable to me.
also worth thinking about the purpose of jail and punishment. it's either rehabilitative or punitive. to punish someone for a crime, they either have to know it's wrong or be criminally reckless. arguably they were criminally reckless, which is what you'd convict someone for manslaughter for, allowing society to get some retribution for their acts while not stealing the remainder of someone's life. i don't think there is any rehabilitative justification here: just the litigation process is enough to ensure these guys will never do it again.
what's ironic is tons of libs would be all for giving actual murder 1 and felony murder (e.g. shooting someone while robbing a liquor store) nigs a second chance after they've served some time (i'm actually ok with that as i'm a believer in redemption and second chances). but they're full prepared to lock these guys away for life, even though even under the harshest analysis of their crimes they thought they were doing the right thing.
libs aren't they best at ideological consistency though, so |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:51 PM Author: blue exhilarant lay yeah man we're on the same page here. i think there is a societal deterrent interest in punishing these guys but life imprisonment is ridiculous. and im totally with you about giving people second chances, but being aghast at libs who now think second chances are only for ghetto thugs, while poor whites should get the harshest punishment available in every circumstance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503642) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 8:02 PM Author: Passionate private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503734) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503803) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:24 PM Author: curious french chef yes but that isn't the same thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503547) |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:21 PM Author: Passionate private investor exactly. even if they weren't in the letter of the citizen's arrest statute, the video does not indicate that they are being particularly threatening. arbery's life was not in danger. he chimped out and they had no choice. if you want to say there was false imprisonment or endangerment or something, i could swallow that. it's not like they pulled out their guns and shouted "you'll pay for your crimes with your life, nigger!" the testimony is they said "hey, stop, we want to talk!" and the police were summoned and on their way.
also, this case just shows how felony murder is often just used to get a higher murder charge when it's not really warranted. it's supposed to be about getting higher murder charges when you're already doing something dangerous and illegal. like running someone over accidentally as you flee from a bank robbery. now they used it to get a higher murder charge anytime a felony has been committed, even if the nexus is tenuous. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:28 PM Author: smoky church it's insane. as a non-lawyer, i could maybe buy some kind of lesser charge that would penalize them for botching the citizen's arrest and contributing to the death or something, but 'murder' is insane. the fact that this guy was serially burgling their houses and they thought they were stopping (and were told by police to follow him?) him should totally be a mitigating factor. |
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Date: November 24th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Passionate private investor the felony murder shit is way out of line. the whole reason we have degrees of murder is to punish lesser offenses when someone dies, because we don't want to punish someone severely who didn't actually intend to cause a death. these guys are going away for life for trying to do the right thing. the whole concept of mens rea is that we don't want to punish people for accidentally doing a bad act. they may have intentionally detained arbery, but there is no evidence they actually wanted to kill him. or even did so recklessly. but now they're going to get punished the same as if it was cold-blood planned murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43503586) |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 2:01 PM Author: Violet disturbing kitty (guy who hates the will of the people of Georgia) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4968031&forum_id=2#43507039) |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 2:01 PM Author: nofapping up-to-no-good telephone ladyboy this is the correct takeaway whatever these guys get, including the shooter, should be LESS than every actual murderer whose intent to kill someone was apparent. this case is about sentencing and that's what remains. |
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Date: November 25th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: nofapping up-to-no-good telephone ladyboy holy fuck, i just heard on cnn that they all will get life sentences. the only thing is if they will be eligible for parole after THIRTY years
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