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COVID narrative, if intentionally misleading, preys on compassion
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:23 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary I am becoming increasingly purple-pilled. At this point, I fully recognize that the narrative surrounding COVID is sketchy and the suppression of counternarrative discourse by some parties and factions (e.g. bigtech) is downright scary.
We're being misled, but I don't know by whom, why, or to what extent.
What I do know is that people aren't getting an unproven vaxx and walking around in masks because they hungrily lap up whatever authorities tell them. (As I've pointed out before, the left has historically been much more distrustful than the right of people in power.) The masterful thing about this manipulation - to the extent that such manipulation exists - is that it relies on people being naïve and wanting to do what's right. "Flatten the curve", "protect the immunocompromised", etc. It's all framed to make us want to do the unselfish, compassionate thing. There are HUMAN LIVES at stake, so this goes far beyond any sort of virtue signaling.
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:58 AM Author: submissive university same thing for race-based discrimination etc...most of the race-based lib agenda is based on misplaced compassion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066336) |
Date: March 1st, 2022 4:35 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary (similar principle certainly applies to other narratives being pushed on us, but COVID is a very straightforward and pervasive example) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062482) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:41 PM Author: aromatic whorehouse You tell us cowshit, after all you’re the Liberal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062530) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:41 PM Author: Dark water buffalo hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062533) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:42 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary rofl i don't think cowshit is remotely lib but if do, i like him even more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062539) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:29 PM Author: Diverse Parlor Voyeur he's a Liberal Artist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063266) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:45 PM Author: very tactful useless brakes practically all of the covid conspiracy theories have come true. the ones that havent...its just a matter of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062558) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:45 PM Author: maize marvelous casino trust fund Contrary to what some people on here want to believe, I don't accept the notion of a mass conspiracy led by men at Davos.
I do think it's a classic case of human greed, vanity, desire, and mid wit bureaucratic lust for power, all wrapped in the delusions it was in the name of good, and allowed to happen by a large electoral following who were brain damaged by hatred of Donald Trump and too eager and willing to abuse politics, the government, civil liberties, and virtue signal to defeat Trump and show others they were not Trump voters.
The mass psychotic theory is apt. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:51 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary cr, i mean it's always been an obvious fact that people in positions of power will do whatever they can to maintain (and abuse) that power. i don't think that takes the form of secret jewish meetings in boardrooms, illuminati bullshit, or underground lizard people.
your characterization sounds right, though i wouldn't put it at the level of mass psychosis. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:51 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor My model of events is roughly that propaganda and ideology are the type of weapon that you can't safely use without impacting yourself and your children — thus, I'd expect naive true believers behind the scenes of any conspiracy (of which there are surely several), and not Machiavellian string-pullers as such. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062620) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:55 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary you think so? do you mean it's delusions all the way down on both sides? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062650) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:06 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor Sort of, but not so extreme.
I think that the best way to be free of delusions is to have something like the scientific process affixed to a market, where communities of expert inquirers with proper incentives compete to unearth the truth.
By their nature, conspiracies are dissimilar from this situation, both due to the lack of transparency, the misaligned incentives, and the tendency to groupthink and myside bias.
Added to this is that there are certain fundamental values that clash & this clash can only really be resolved by war; but the war is covert & waged through meme proxies.
Thus, people like Bill Gates and crew probably really do believe in some flavor of transhumanism, nominalism, that they're saving the world, etc. State Department people really believe Putin is the new Hitler, he can't be reasoned with, etc. Covid apparats really believe perpetual masking of children is required to stave off calamity. Vax pushers get the shot themselves, and two boosters; gender activists have their daughters self-mutilating. Even higher order manipulators, the people making a killing on sovereign debt and the like, have a story they tell themselves, say about the good of their people or their family or how necessary is their role.
Few people with power get any real feedback, and the feedback they get is seldom effective since it is filtered through the same biases that placed the person in power and in power maintains them.
Each and every level of humanity is run through with human vanity, for humanity is vain. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:19 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i think you're right.
i never thought about how even the main strings-pullers are also probably telling themselves their intentions are good.
attaching analytic pursuits to a free market doesn't strike me as an obvious fix; what are the "proper incentives" that would discourage corruption from taking place any more than it already does in supposed truth-seeking/fact-checking? |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:25 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor Re your question, I'm not claiming to have a solution, just noting that the scientific method and market mechanisms are two procedures that tend to be good for discovering the truth.
I don't think you can readily attach either to the sorts of pursuits under discussion, since both are corruptible in the pursuit of power or some other mixed motive. For example, it takes coercive power of some sort to make markets work, since deals must be enforced; thus, we might say that markets supervene on power, such that it makes little sense at the root level to try to create a market for power, since someone will predictably just use power to corrupt the market. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:27 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary "since someone will predictably just use power to corrupt the market"
crrrr :( |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:38 PM Author: smoky ungodly giraffe foreskin And that's why we fight sometimes. It's the last lever to pull (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065623) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:41 PM Author: maize marvelous casino trust fund I liked your post.
Gates is obviously corrupted by his wealth and living in a bubble where he comes to think he knows better than most because he became so fucking wealthy. And because he knows best and also thinks he's a good person, it allows him to start thinking it's ok to supersede basic democratic principles and start seeing people as a means to an end, as long as that end is a better world (never mind the price to be paid). |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:46 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062979) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:11 PM Author: Blathering newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063497) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 6:28 AM Author: Cyan cruel-hearted masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074070) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:33 PM Author: talented candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064093) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:36 AM Author: Flatulent location "Contrary to what some people on here want to believe, I don't accept the notion of a mass conspiracy led by men at Davos."
You underestimate the power of organized propaganda. Notice how every major news outlet raises the exact same talking points and headlines? Look up the "Interlocking Directorates" |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:46 PM Author: Demanding carmine school you're just realizing this now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062577) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:53 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary brother i am filled with naïveté and compassion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062634) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:06 AM Author: Drunken Gold Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066160) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:50 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor Yes, propaganda like all cons works best when it flatters the target. That is why mass democracies are such fertile soil for oligarchs. Cf. the book 10% Less Democracy (presenting hundreds of pages of data-driven arguments that the 19th Amendment has been a disaster for public policy).
We could talk about who the parties trying to manipulate events are, as well as the dominant ideologies (which often have an agency of their own), but it's difficult to constrain the topic. Suffice it to say that there are many moneyed insular interests with weird hobbyhorses that stand to gain much wealth and power by, for example, cramming down a dictatorship of health. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:59 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary no comment on 19th amendment other than a note that i am much better qualified to vote than spaceporn
true, and as i discussed in another thread, you can narrow down the motivations and perhaps the perpetrators by tracking which counternarratives are suppressed, logging the inconsistencies within the mainstream story, etc. but ugh that's so much effort |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:40 PM Author: smoky ungodly giraffe foreskin You might be smart enough to actually concede that the 19th on balance was a mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065643) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:47 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary *opposes authoritarianism and champions personal liberty* *wants to disenfranchise half of the country*
lol ok! |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 5:44 AM Author: Adventurous box office *lets people who will always vote for less personal liberty vote*
*they vote to decrease personal liberty as predicted*
Men did this! |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 5:52 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary take you're meds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44073988) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 5:53 AM Author: Adventurous box office Address the point sister (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44073991) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 6:05 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary having a say in the government is an extremely important freedom we should all have lmao u can't talk about personal liberty and want to take that away from half of the country
there's no way ur actuslly this dumb
if u want, just move to an all-male libertarian paradise and die off |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 6:19 AM Author: Adventurous box office half? voting women make up less than 25% of the country, but I'll set that aside. American 'democracy' (although it's not a democracy, and most of the founding fathers openly rebuked democracy due to its incompatibility with liberty) is predicated on an informed voting bloc. Women are not informed voters - they vote based on how they feel. In the age of mass media, this means they vote based on how they are told to feel.
If you disagree with this charitable assessment, feel free to deny or refute the fact that they vote against personal freedoms every single time they are given the option to. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 9:53 PM Author: smoky ungodly giraffe foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44079961) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:42 AM Author: Flatulent location It's really about logical thinking and rational decisionmaking vs feeling decisionmaking.
Men are more likely to be thinking decisionmakers whereas women generally make decisions based on how they feel.
Myers Briggs described this with the Thinking/Feeling pair. Do you like to put more weight on objective principles and impersonal facts (Thinking) or do you put more weight on personal concerns and the people involved (Feeling)?
Thinking (T) When I make a decision, I like to find the basic truth or principle to be applied, regardless of the specific situation involved. I like to analyze pros and cons, and then be consistent and logical in deciding. I try to be impersonal, so I won't let my personal wishes--or other people's wishes--influence me.
The following statements generally apply to me:
I enjoy technical and scientific fields where logic is important. I notice inconsistencies. I look for logical explanations or solutions to most everything. I make decisions with my head and want to be fair. I believe telling the truth is more important than being tactful. Sometimes I miss or don't value the "people" part of a situation. I can be seen as too task-oriented, uncaring, or indifferent.
Feeling (F) I believe I can make the best decisions by weighing what people care about and the points-of-view of persons involved in a situation. I am concerned with values and what is the best for the people involved. I like to do whatever will establish or maintain harmony. In my relationships, I appear caring, warm, and tactful.
The following statements generally apply to me:
I have a people or communications orientation. I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing. I look for what is important to others and express concern for others. I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate. I believe being tactful is more important than telling the "cold" truth. Sometimes I miss seeing or communicating the "hard truth" of situations. I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.
According to data collected by MBTI, the only significant difference between genders occurs within the Thinking - Feeling dichotomy. The majority of women (roughly 75%) fall into the feelers category, whereas less than 45% of men can be categorized as feelers. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:53 PM Author: wild stage "(As I've pointed out before, the left has historically been much more distrustful than the right of people in power.)" Just wake up from a 10 year coma? |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:00 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary lol that's what people say every time i mention that -___- (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062683) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:54 PM Author: Orange Hairy Legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062636) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:00 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary just 6 months back on xo, though! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062685) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:54 PM Author: Vibrant translucent pozpig lol this is your big insight? that libs use fallacious emotional appeals to sell their slop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062637) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:01 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary no, that libs are susceptible to fallacious emotional appeals by whatever powers are REALLY constructing the narrative.
significant difference. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:10 PM Author: Vibrant translucent pozpig another inane insight. there's obviously inner party libs, some of whom are true believers others just machiavellian and outer party NPCs. the former use fallacious emotional appeals and have for the last 50 years because they work on the properly conditioned. The only difference with now and 50 years ago is, the inner party libs have more power and hate america even more and the outer party NPCs have grown in number due to societal feminization, monkey wrangling, and immigration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062759) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:11 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary this is paranoid drivel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062761) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:55 PM Author: well-lubricated station What specifically do u think is wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063423) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:46 PM Author: smoky ungodly giraffe foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065675) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 12:01 PM Author: Vibrant translucent pozpig OP’s an NPC; I wouldn’t expect much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44068032) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 4:56 PM Author: fighting insanely creepy sound barrier gunner what was it like to be in a coma? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062655) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:04 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i assume this is more a reply to the beginning of my poast than the main point, which comes in the longer paragraph. i never see people on xo acknowledge that the left is blinded by their own good intentions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062715) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:23 PM Author: low-t center I think we're divided on this. Beckersted would probably agree we should pity, not hate, the lost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062828) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:45 PM Author: fighting insanely creepy sound barrier gunner "As I've pointed out before, the left has historically been much more distrustful than the right of people in power." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062974) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:57 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary touché (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063063) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:57 PM Author: fighting insanely creepy sound barrier gunner ur being glib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064314) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:16 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i mean it! i did call the left both distrustful and blind in pretty much the same breath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064469) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:12 PM Author: frozen step-uncle's house marketing idea “ The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
- Aldous Huxley |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:21 PM Author: low-t center Cr, most evils are distorted goods, and righteous indignation is one of the clearest examples. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062819) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:21 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ? first sentence seems backwards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062821) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:27 PM Author: curious topaz messiness Huxley is right. I think you're looking at it from the perspective that a 'good cause' would only entail doing something that was genuinely good, which therefore conflicts with the idea that you would be maltreating someone.
What Huxley is saying is that evil acts are done under the guise of good and moral acts. And that the most dangerous of these involves doing bad things while feeling good about it, i.e. purging a group of people while feeling righteous.
If you dehumanize an enemy or someone you don't like, then you open the door to things like killing them, to take an extreme example, and it doesn't feel 'wrong' per se. This the premise for how good people wind up doing bad things. They only got there because they felt they were making the world a better place while doing it.
To wit, Huxley is saying this is the sweetest treat for politicians to offer people: get in on the action. Ruin someone's life, it's the moral thing to do. He's saying this is an offer that easily gets people going, because it's too sweet to pass up. Smash up a Target, get your feelings out, but feel the whole time like you're making the world a better place. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:30 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i agree! but the way i parse the first sentence, it's saying that people respond well to the idea of oppressing others and that's a strat you can use to get people behind a good cause. i'd think the opposite would be more true: frame something as a good cause and you'll be able to get them to harm others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063274) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:40 PM Author: curious topaz messiness I see what you're saying in terms of order of operations seeming reversed. It does appear like one would put the horse before the cart and offer feeling good before doing bad. You never know, some people just want to watch the world burn. Throw a brick, then find out why it was a good idea! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063341) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:50 PM Author: smoky ungodly giraffe foreskin It's based on whether you feel that human nature is naturally good vs naturally evil. This is the true dividing line between philosophers by the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065701) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:12 PM Author: low-t center You misspelled women and effete men, but we figured this out back in maybe april 2020. Better late than never though, welcome aboard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062773) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:22 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i was in pretty deep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062827) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:23 PM Author: umber bawdyhouse jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062834) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:24 PM Author: wild stage This is sort of true but what about the many many of these 'well-intentioned' libs who just refuse to entertain other methods to fight this pandemic, especially when they are presented with actual facts? For instance, these libs will refuse to hear people like Eric Weinstein (who's a lib) discuss how ineffective masks and lockdowns are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062839) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 5:25 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary groupthink (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44062847) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:28 PM Author: vengeful affirmative action tanning salon ljl at reading this birdbrain's musings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063263) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:42 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary lol, at least i'm not seeing the world through a hopeless lens of cynicism
would rather be naïve and sincere and eventually come to terms with the idea that i was too trusting, than have the epistemological satisfaction of being correct for longer but be weighed down by bitterness |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:50 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse So you'd rather be wrong because it feels good? Yeah we already know you're a woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063403) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:56 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary no?
the best position would have been if i were less trusting in the first place but understanding of why people were being misled so easily
second best is mine - belatedly aware that i was manipulated - bc i am able to relate to both sides. this foundation will actually be really helpful when i begin to explore these countercultural ideas with ppl still trapped in the cultural quicksand as deeply as i was.
worst is a tie between incorrigibly bluepilled (for obvious reasons) and OG redpilled (because look around this miserable bort lmao) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:59 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse try making sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063441) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:00 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063454) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:05 PM Author: aggressive mad-dog skullcap To be fair,
This is true and well-said. But on the other hand, why were you so trusting in the first place? Compassion is one thing, but when the data started showing the absolute fucking gulf between narrative and reality (in early April 2020), how did you not wake up to the idea that we were being lied to, blatantly and repeatedly? From what I’ve seen, you’re smart enough to have grasped this. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:14 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i may have just been looking at the #s that were thrown in my face and not looking closely enough for missing parts of the picture, or maybe i placed an inappropriate value on individual lives
- OR -
maybe my evaluation of the seriousness of COVID was within reason, but my trust in the govt's handling of it was misplaced.
obviously everyone has always realized that the narrative has been constantly changing since the beginning: "X works, no it doesn't, Y works better, whoops we figured out this is wrong, whoops new variant." but i assumed scientists and leaders were working in good faith with incomplete information, doing the best they could with what they knew |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:25 PM Author: aggressive mad-dog skullcap I’m a natural contrarian, but I took it seriously at first until the evidence became too overwhelming to ignore. At which point I assumed other people would wake up, and got increasingly more pissed off when they didn’t. It’s something that will stick with me for life, and honestly I won’t be happy until the people in charge pay for it.
Anyway, kudos to you for admitting your shortcomings here. I wish you’d figured it out sooner, but it’s something. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:31 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse im gonna bump this in a year when she's back here stumping for with the next retarded lefty cause. she has learned nothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064076) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:31 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse just do reject the truth because it's too mean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064069) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 9:29 AM Author: Orange Hairy Legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44067006) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:42 PM Author: beady-eyed stag film wow. did you reach this conclusion on your OWN????!!?@!?! what a groundbreaking theory--that we are being lied to.
a large plurality (at least) of XO was on this train in March too, but it was 2020, not 2022. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:46 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary (guy who only read the first part of my poast)
i obviously know you guys and plenty of others realized long ago that we were being deceived and i'm not presenting this information as anything new
i'm laying the groundwork so i can go into the part about how much of the general pop is blinded by good intentions, rather than stupid or purposefully harmful |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:44 PM Author: boyish violent business firm i think you're moving too far up the ladder to find the rationale for peoples' acceptance of our mask cultus. the rung of acceptance is much further down and is social acceptance.
that's it. the elites decided what is acceptable behavior and we blindly took to it. those among us who disagreed in the beginning were too scared of the consequences of not complying because interconnectedness has made it very fucking difficult to be contrarian without paying a massive cost careerwise/$$$/family/job/school/etc. and here we are, 2 years later, and there are still signs that say "mask required". i don't follow them shits anymore, but no one says shit either. it isn't very brave when you know deep down most people want to take off their mask, but they can't get over the possible rejection that looms in the shadows. people simply give too much of a fuck about the acceptance of people who wouldn't stop you being beaten in the street and would actually record it and put it on the internet. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:49 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary it's funny bc i never kept my mask on for social acceptance, i always just thought a minor convenience was worth it to help preserve the greater good
i'm sorry u guys feel unable to speak out against the mainstream "accepted behavior"
i do think this suppression of countercultural voices is harmful for people all over the spectrum |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:14 PM Author: Electric Plaza Cloth masks don't do anything and no one wears N95s correctly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063934) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:16 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i know this now! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063950) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:50 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse mfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063401) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:25 PM Author: Blathering newt You're right today, that people who are still clinging to masking are just playing some side of the virtue signaling/social acceptance game, but I don't believe it to be the case during the first, say, 3-4 months of the pandemic, when the idea of masking seemed like a sensible idea and a very small sacrifice to make to the layperson, at least while we developed a better understanding of the potential threat of this virus. But everything that's taken place after that period, yes, I agree with you Ted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063577) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:37 PM Author: boyish violent business firm i was shooting from the hip and i 100% played along for awhile. after like 3 months i was over it and started training bjj july 2020 underground. i couldn't with a straight face say i was concerned about covid and train bjj. the hypocrisy woulda been too much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063651) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:10 PM Author: Electric Plaza I don't like the masks because it fogs my glasses and also I like being contrarian and try to get away without wearing it whenever possible. The last couple weeks i've been putting sheep stickers on any signs I still see up, but the mask mandate is now done in Minneapolis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063903) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:49 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse congrats on reaching the conclusion the rest of us reached in March 2020 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063397) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:51 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary cool, nonresponsive. this thread isn't about this conclusion, it's about the mechanisms of the deception
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063382 |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 6:51 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse yeah i dont care shut up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063410) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:02 PM Author: well-lubricated station I think he means that by broadcasting what a dimwit u r people r less inclined to care what u think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063466) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:06 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary genuinely thinking i'm stupid is a low IQ tell.
gullible/overly trusting, sure |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:08 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse you seem really fucking dumb. i hope youre on drugs or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063487) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:12 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary whatever u say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063501) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:30 PM Author: Passionate market main people "saying I'm stupid actually means YOUR stupid!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063603) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:35 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary sad but true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063639) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:20 PM Author: self-absorbed trip field unlike others itt, i think its good to commend people when they wake up to reality. so good on you for being an independent thinker.
curious though, who do you admire on the so-called "left" these days? seems to me the left is becoming increasingly authoritarian. you talk about the left "historically" being distrustful of people in power, and this may have been true a decade ago, but those types of "leftists" are now roundly condemned as right wing by the emergent left |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:25 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge This is the problem: She realizes that every single leftist institution and public figure has been 100% wrong on the most important topic in our lifetimes (whether its malice or incompetence is irrelevant here), and yet you can sure as hell bet she will go back to slopping up leftist cowshit the whatever the next political/cultural issue is.
She will never ask herself if there is some systemically wrong with modern leftism. Just the very fact that she ends by mentioning that "well ACKSHULLY leftist are the ones who suspicious of those in authority"
Any dipshit with two working brain cells would have realized that narrative died in the 90s. But because she remains a strong member of the Church of Leftism, she can't bring herself to question the religious hierarchy, even after they got covid so wrong |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:41 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary do you really mean "leftist" or are you thinking "liberal"/"democratic"? huge diff. what institutions do you consider to be leftist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063682) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:45 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge They are literally synonymous at this point. Guys like Bernie and Chomsky have totally sold out.
I would ask you; what liberal or democratic institution didn't get it wrong? If you are going to split hairs about the difference is labelling... |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:47 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary all liberal/democratic institutions are wrong
all leftist ones probably are too
all politicians are corrupt
but leftist ideals are most appealing to me
link to chomsky selling out? :( |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:50 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge https://nationalpost.com/news/world/noam-chomsky-says-the-unvaccinated-should-just-remove-themselves-from-society
OH THE GREAT PRINCIPLED LIBERAL
Thanks for proving my point btw. Your going to keep being on the wrong side of issues (and maybe incrementally wake-up to each one individually but never the big picture until its too late) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:58 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary rofl at clickbait headline - he literally said he was resistant to actually enforcing isolation of the unvaxxed
he was clearly speaking from confidence that being vaxxed in public is good for society + a deep respect for personal freedom. seems philosophically sound |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:00 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge what does
"insist that they be isolated"
mean to you?
He even goes on to say that its justified to use force against them when they threaten the health of others (which he surely views the unvaxxed as doing).
Stop trying to be a worm. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:50 PM Author: boyish violent business firm jimmy dore has basically a side business on shitting all over chomsky at this point. every time he opens his mouth his says terrible shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBX7CPMWegA pillories him on censorship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpEch0McjZ0 isolate the unvaxxed from society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXttiDZPMp8 M4A is "candy"
and there are more. the guy who wrote manufacturing consent is now a full blown hack. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 12:01 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i don't have the attention span for these but sad if true D: (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065759) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 8:14 AM Author: boyish violent business firm we all get old and i think some of it is dementia, but a lot of it he was always an authoritarian at heart.
some of the interviewers in the clips are trying to help him walk some of the draconian shit he said back but he wasn't havent it. he was always an old school communist. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:40 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i mean i think progressives like bernie are the least wrong of the mainstream left
matters of policy are empirical questions as much as ethical ones and it's tough to say for sure what would work best but i'm sympathetic to moar socialist policies
my friends r mostly leftists and we consider moderates like biden to be spineless pussies (but better than the alternative) and all politicians to be puppets |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:46 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Bernie and all the alleged "principled" lefties were dead wrong on COVID and policy surrounding it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063723) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:54 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i still don't know to what extent we were misled!
COVID was a legit illness; i had two family members die of it and that alone would've been enough to sell me on making minor personal sacrifices to try to reduce the spread, even if i weren't so susceptible to "be a good person" messaging
idk to what extent lockdowns, mask policies, and so on were misguided due to incomplete information vs. arbitrarily and gleefully thrust upon us by elites as an exercise in herding the populace
tracking it all and trying to dig for the truth is honestly just exhausting |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:59 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Ask yourself this: How was more than half the bort right on this issue by April 2020 and the minority of people publicly correct on this issue were generally moderate-to-strongly right leaning people (or certainly not Biden voters).
Your missing the bigger picture here. Do a post-mortem. Figure out what those that were right saw from the very start and ask yourself: What else are the right about? |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:10 PM Author: Blathering newt most of it was a knee jerk reaction from individual liberty/anti-government types. they could have easily been wrong if this had turned out to be, say, fatal in 10% of cases or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063904) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:17 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Except that by the end of March into early April we already had hard stats suggesting that this thing likely killed 0.5% of those infected, or even less. Remember the cruise ship filled with old fat people? That was the perfect experiment to see the death rate amongst some of the most vulnerable. We had that data in March.
This was not a case of the bort just blindly getting it right. We saw something that the mainstream, especially mainstream shitlibs like Box, missed totally. If she was actually being introspective, she would ask herself what the actual mechanism was that allowed us to see the truth while she was mislead and propagandized and if the same thing is happening to her in other aspects of her life today. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:19 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary dude everyone knows that the fatality rate is pretty low. but a very contagious virus w/ low fatality, if left to spread unmitigated, still results in a fuckton of lives lost. as i said somewhere else in the thread, maybe i placed too much value on those lives. who knows (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063984) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:23 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Except we also knew that protocols to stop the spread were not working....
There was no chance to stop it from spreading. Again, we knew this because we could see what happened in Italy in March.
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:28 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary yeah i acknowledged that above
i was actually pretty vocal from the VERY beginning about how mixed all the messaging was.
but i assumed scientists and leaders were acting in good faith with incomplete information, and that the problem was that they needed to be more open about that fact because otherwise people were just gonna trust them less and less every time they changed their mind.
probably just mental gymnastics, in retrospect. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:29 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Again: Why were we right and you were wrong? What allowed us to be right and what else could we be right about while you remain actively deluded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064056) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:41 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i trusted that leaders and elites were acting in good faith to protect the populace.
u guys were appropriately cynical and that's why u were correct.
my being wrong about this doesn't mean i'm wrong about other shit involving social issues, individual liberties, or even necessarily what i personally consider to be govt overreach. (to be clear, this WAS government overreach, but my threshold is almost certainly higher than yours, and that just comes down to our political ideals.)
i just gotta look harder at how we are being manipulated: what information is presented (or not presented) to us, how leaders may be exploiting any vulnerability to push us toward authoritarianism, etc. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:32 PM Author: Slimy chestnut space Dude, if you thought that virus had a 10% cfr even in March 2020 you’re a fucking retard who shouldn’t be allowed to vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064081) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:33 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064095) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:34 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge She now claims that she knew the cfr was very low, but if millions get sick, many will still die!!!!
Her conclusion? I dunno, masks and shit will work, right? right? |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:38 PM Author: Slimy chestnut space I’m also addressing this “creampie guy” retard. Holy fuck where did we get these people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064147) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:27 PM Author: Blathering newt Whatever. You're a literal Filipino male nurse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064605) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 5:52 AM Author: Adventurous box office Reread his post dude. The numbers weren't out yet when half of the board had already called fraudvirus, and they *would have been proven wrong *if* the numbers showed 10%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44073990) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:41 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ur conveniently ignoring the parts of the poasts where i acknowledge my mistakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064170) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:45 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge ... and then go on to parrot other mainstream lies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064212) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:51 PM Author: Blathering newt i think the issue is that the freethinking leftists you're referring to are a dying breed, because many who used to fit this mold have either been absorbed into NPC'ism due to a hatred of Trump or have been "exposed"/shamed, canceled and discarded by the new left. i hated Trump, but i love the pursuit of truth and freedom more than I hate the orange man, so I'm not willing to be assimilated by the LEFTBORG (as many of my friends and family have). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063761) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:53 PM Author: self-absorbed trip field this is cr. i think bernie falls into the former category, unfortunately. 2020 bernie was a shell of his 2016 self. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063765) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:00 PM Author: Blathering newt CR. I liked 2016 Bernie and would have voted for him if he'd been the nominee. I ultimately abstained in 2016. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063821) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:06 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary "absorbed into NPC'ism due to a hatred of Trump"
yeah, i'd say more like settled into complacency in the aftermath of trump (bc trump was so terrible)
you also have to take into account all the vile parts of society that trump brought to light. part of the left's coalescence to a hivemind was a migration away from the side we saw firsthand was full of racism, cruelty, and even authoritarianism in the other direction |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:06 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor 🙄 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063865) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:15 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary lol @ anyone on this bort disagreeing that there's plenty of racism on the right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063948) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:18 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse lol at pretending there isnt 100x as much on the Left (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063965) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:19 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge The left hivemind moved away from racism in your mind right?
Towards what? blacks punching old Asian ladies to death because of their.... race???
Your painfully stupid/naïve if you actually think the left is anti racism. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:19 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor It pales in comparison to the institutionalized racism on the left. But the eyeroll was in re: you clinging to the notion that during the Trump era you received some sort of revelation about the nature of people on the right and, horror of horrors, discovered they were _racist,_ the very worst thing in the world when it is Badwhites with ordinary self-esteem (but valorized when it is lefty pets like blacks).
It is particularly funny in the context of this thread, since you're obviously still in the grip of the propaganda you're beginning to piece together. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:21 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge That was the point of my post in reply to the original post of this subthread. She is still just as brainwashed as before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063997) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:23 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse this is just another ploy to get attention (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064006) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:23 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary oh come on, that's a really fucking uncharitable interpretation of what i said.
people on here are ALWAYS acknowledging how the right gets pushed further in response to the extremism on the left.
and i can't say the opposite happened?? again, i wasn't saying the move was JUSTIFIED, i was just naming one factor in the perfect storm that led to the left getting dulled down |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:26 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge What was the "extermism" of the right?
Charlottesville and Dylann Roof? That the sum total of rightwing extermism in action in a country of 350mm people...
Like get real here. Your so thoroughly brainwashed its insane. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:37 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor I would suggest that you were responding to social contagion in your lib milieu, not to anything objective about Trump or his fans (who account for about half the country).
It would be tedious to go over the whole history. You probably have accepted a slanted and objectively untrue version of event after event, from the "very fine people" speech to the Spygate stuff to the sham impeachments, etc. etc.
All due to the mechanism you identified in the OP: you have a self-image of yourself as good and compassionate, and Trump was presented as Bad and that's what all the good people around you believed, etc etc.
If you want to identify specific objective problems with Trump that justified the level of opprobrium he got, have at it. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:51 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary lmfao if you think my perceptions of trump are based on "orange man bad" mainstream messaging. if anything, my thoughts about trump are much MORE negative than the mainstream's.
trump has no values himself, yet - impressively - he and his administration consistently acted in ways antithetical to my own values. i can elaborate later; there's way too much to say. but these values differ drastically from those of most xoers, so i doubt it'll go far.
this all has little to do with the govt overreach involved in the COVID situation.
as i tried to convey in my OP, i don't think the left ARE the power-grabbing would-be authoritarians; i think the left is most susceptible to their messaging. if there's one takeaway from this thread, i want it to be that. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:52 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse "but these values differ drastically from those of most xoers"
I can't wait to hear about the "values" of the 40 year old unmarried Jewish whore abortionist |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:57 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor OK, feel free to share whenever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064311) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:28 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ok this just scratches the surface of why my hatred for him as a leader goes way beyond MSM "orange man bad". practically every day he did something verifiably fucked up; it got to the point where it was just overwhelming to track.
things trump/admin did that i agree with: - withdrawal from afghanistan/ME - isolationism wrt foreign wars in general
things trump/admin did that i disagree with: - appointed an insane amount of large donors/sycophantic retards to positions they were completely unqualified for (this is literally the DEFINITION of corruption), e.g. betsy devos, steven mnuchin, andrew puzder. don't forget about the actual, literal white supremacist steve bannon. - lots of anti-labor policy, bolstered by his appointments of anti-labor judges and a secretary of labor who was literally a CEO of a fast food company known for opposing worker rights. many policy examples @ https://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record (in b4 MEDIA BIAS!!11) - practically INNUMERABLE civil rights rollbacks; see the enormous list @ https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks (i obviously haven't read it all but skimming it, i remember a lot of these and most of them are just obviously objectionable to me on a level too deep to be ~*liberal media spin*~) - anti-immigration policy, including separating families at the border and keeping kids in cages (obama admin did this too; equally unacceptable). again, we are talking about why *i* hate him, not debating my values. - tried to eliminate (admittedly not-great) social programs like ACA and medicaid w/ no better alternative, defund PP, etc. - extremely dangerous rhetoric surrounding immigration, nationalism, marginalized groups, etc. - irrespective of fauci/dems/etc.: handled COVID horribly on a personal level, including lying to us (recall feb/mar phone calls where he said he was going to pretend COVID wasn't as bad as it was - "i still like playing it down, because i don't want to create a panic"), promoting dangerous treatments, etc. obviously our current admin is just as guilty of this.
intrinsic qualities of trump that were good: - his instability might have scared foreign leaders into not messing with us - he said a bunch of hilarious shit
intrinsic qualities of trump that made him a terrible leader: - he has no values or integrity whatsoever, is purely driven by his own ego and random whims. no religious or family values (3 wives, kids by 3 diff women, etc.), dishonest when it suits his vanity, etc. - extremely thin-skinned and unstable; every day there was a possibility he'd ignite some international conflict just by getting mad on twitter or whatever - shows signs of senility (just our luck! two old, drooling presidents in a row) - sore loser, sent the country into a frenzy w/ false election claims |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 9:30 AM Author: Exciting rehab rigor Thanks. It's precisely as I said; e.g., "extremely dangerous rhetoric surrounding immigration, nationalism, marginalized groups, etc." (Oh no, not dangerous Donald!)
Your views on Trump (and, it seems, politics generally) are basic & uninformed by any evident thought about policy or how things work normally or comparisons to replacement politicians.
My guess is you don't actually care about politics. This is sensible, since you can't affect politics. As such, you've got a series of social protrusions, masquerading as opinions, and trot them out as convenient socially — it's not as if one can actually tell anything about labor policy, for example, from your link, but it fits your "brand" (+ your circle) to "care" about labor policy (or "border separations" — lmao at this uninformed drivel). It's just stuff you say to people socially to get along since one is supposed to have views on politics, and you can front different subsets of snippets like the above as needed socially.
Since my conclusion is you thus don't care about politics in any real sense, it seems unworthy of discussion. A bore. So yeah, orange man bad! He said a heckin' nationalism and he and crony Mnuchin endangered marginalized groups at the border by putting kids in cages and questioning the 100% legit 2020 election, haha sheeple are so brainwashed. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 1:55 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary cool cherry-picking in order to see "precisely as [you] said" rofl
sure i only nominally support worker rights bc it's my "brand", u caught me
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:18 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor It matters little either way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44069703) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:26 PM Author: maize marvelous casino trust fund See Trudeau and the truckers. He automatically claimed them racist just for protesting against him. Because he probably did genuinely believe anyone who disagreed with the consensus had to be racist, because only bad people would reject COVID mandates, and only racists are bad people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064033) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:08 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge aaaaannnnddd there it is folks. Shitlibs never learn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063874) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:17 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary what's the problem?
i wasn't saying complacency or assimilation into the hivemind was the CORRECT response to these things |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:20 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge Your entire characterization was wrong.
1) Trump was not terrible. He was a middling-to-good POTUS. Your letting your distaste for his personal style interfere with an objective take.
2) Trump didn't reveal the evil side of America. Your being histrionic.
3) The left is not anti racism. They are more racist, just against whites and successful minorities. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:25 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary rofl yeah we're not going to agree on any of those things except maybe 2
i POASTED so i had already seen the ugly parts of the extreme right
but i'm speaking from the perspective of people paying attention to the MSM |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:28 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge What "ugly parts of the extreme right"?
One dood shoots up a church and another runs over a women?
Thats the sum total unless you mean pepe frog memes and O.K. signs "is "right wing extremism"
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:36 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse white nationalism is the #1 threat to national security after Russia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064127) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:53 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary again, i was trying to show how the dulling of the left was reactive, not trying to justify it. sorry i was unclear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064280) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:00 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse Why don't you answer his question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064327) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:11 PM Author: self-absorbed trip field jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063906) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:30 PM Author: Slimy chestnut space LOLOLOLOLOLOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064059) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 10:24 PM Author: boyish violent business firm you also have to take into account all the vile parts of society that trump brought to light. part of the left's coalescence to a hivemind was a migration away from the side we saw firsthand was full of racism, cruelty, and even authoritarianism in the other direction>>>
such as? particularly i'm interested in the 3 elements you mention: racism, cruelty, and authoritarianism. noting, before you continue, that they were "brought to light" meaning they were all preexisting conditions and the issue wasn't them existing, but that they were "brought to light". |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:45 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary come on, you've been on the internet. you know how much louder the *ists got after he started spouting off his racist, nationalist rhetoric (e.g. in the context of mexican immigrants) and refused to condemn (i would actually say "encouraged") white supremacist groups. there was an IRL analog to this: https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870 (correlation doesn't imply causation, but imo the evidence is damning)
i don't get why everyone is freaking out about me saying this. i wasn't saying the left's response was JUSTIFIED, i was saying that the extremism on the right probably helped push the left into the confused hivemind it's become. this should not be an objectionable statement lol |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:59 PM Author: boyish violent business firm but it is very objectionable even by progressive standards:
here is the thing that blinds the leftist from the foibles of their own creation. we know that all of those things exist, right, but they only conveniently become a national problem when someone with an R- is in office. why? because leftists/progs don't believe any of the shit they're saying. they only become national issues when it's convenient. and frankly a lot of black people are just tired of that shit and know when they are being used. so he's gone and they will park that shit in a drawer and dust that motherfucker off when some other R- has a shot. it's all such easily transparent bullshit.
but let's get to the meat and potatoes of it. challenge: go watch "the mexican rapists" campaign stop (i believe it was in SC) in its entirety. i did. why? because when i heard the coverage it sounded so preposterous that i said "there is no possible way a presidential candidate said this crazy shit" so i watched it with not only my wife, but my mother in law who was with us taking care of my daughter at the time as i was healing up from surgery. we watched the whole thing and all of us came to the same conclusion. they made that whole shit up. as a matter of candor, i was probably a bernie voter BEFORE i saw that speech in its entirety. i saw it and said "well, if niggas actually listen to this guy and not what others say he says, he's gonna be the fucking president".
and quoting statistics about hate crimes, you're better than this and know that all crimes are hate crimes. you don't commit crimes against people you fucking like. the distinguishing feature is racial animus? who cares?
they're freaking out because you're still blind to why all this shit is how it is. it's ALL manufactured. nothing is new. i'm sure someone has done a long scale media study on the -ist words in media and i bet they all do yuge green candles when R- is in charge and then disappear when D- is in charge. it's all a fucking sham. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 12:21 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary good points.
i don't really think it's true that people stop being concerned with racial issues when dems get in office, though. police brutality/racism is still very much in the forefront of national discourse, obviously not as much as in 2020 but it's not like it's a fad that just disappeared. obviously you are more attuned to the cultural tides when it comes to this, though.
"they made that whole shit up." --> you're saying the entire quote was just totally fabricated? how about "bad hombres"? i don't remember which quotes i witnessed and which i just read about (it's impossible not to read a trump quote in his voice!), but believe me, i personally witnessed plenty of trump videos where he said reprehensible anti-immigrant/nationalist shit.
"all crimes are hate crimes." --> true, never thought about it like that. i just remember being struck at the time by how much more brazen people seeemed to get about attacking others based on color/creed/whatever. could have been media spin. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 5:59 AM Author: Adventurous box office Like the Jussie Smollet incident? Those kinds of high-profile attacks on others based on color? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44073994) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:42 PM Author: galvanic red shrine it was a hoax on day 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063700) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 7:55 PM Author: Filthy sick home love of her life A lot of the propaganda (and commercial advertising) oriented at the left preys on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063789) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:12 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary :(
at least we are well-meaning sheep! |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:00 PM Author: ebony philosopher-king dilemma pretty much all lib propaganda does the road to hell is paved w good intentions |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:13 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary crrrr sadly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064436) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:07 PM Author: Thriller flushed dingle berry I’m more than fatigued about it at this point tbh. It needs to go away. Forever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44063866) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:13 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary *russia/ukraine conflict has entered the chat* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064440) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:26 PM Author: deranged floppy sweet tailpipe rate me as a poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064032) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:15 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i rate u two golden retrievers playing in the sun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064452) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:31 PM Author: Brindle disgusting elastic band state GBTR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064075) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:35 PM Author: glittery out-of-control potus I like the premise of this discussion. However, like so many of these it just leads to mental masturbation where we toss out theories, some plausible some outrageous (but still non-zero in chance).
What I’d like to see is a better version of project veritas emerge out of here. We have actual rich people w/ $ and time, some decent IQs, and a few folks with connections to components of the machine (journos, tech, Gov). Even if there is not a “conspiracy” in a conscious sense, there sure as fuck is a remarkably capable system in place to coordinate thought and idea across tons of different mediums all once. Generically throwing out “Shareblue” is the tip of it, there is so much more going on aside from that + the money supply that fuels it. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:40 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor "oh never knock on rotting wood Don't try to know more than you should" |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:04 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary unfortunately a bort full of self-admitted schizos, albeit intelligent ones, is not the best setting for the Pursuit of Truth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44064362) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 9:57 PM Author: glittery out-of-control potus that generalization doesn't hold water. people say some crazy shit on here, and there are a few inexplicable oddballs like benzo, etc. but there is actually a mixture of elements that could do something substantial.
look at the name, look at the date in the corner...then go look up when the varsity blues scandal was discovered and made public by the feds.
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:30 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i think there is potential here, you're right.
not following the screenshot... |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 10:32 PM Author: Costumed brilliant genital piercing electric furnace OP shouldn’t be able to vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065232) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 10:51 PM Author: Peach charismatic resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065366) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 11:54 AM Author: big tripping community account goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44067990) |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 10:40 PM Author: disturbing range coffee pot The logical inconsistencies of the response is all you needed to know.
Close down schools, but not business that make and sell stuff you don’t really need.
Lockdown everyone, not just those at risk.
Mandates for college kids and workers, but not for social security and welfare recipients.
Mask that don’t work for all v. Masks that do work for those that need them.
Mandated vaccines for those that recovered.
The science behind the right responses, if any, was obvious by April fools day 2020 (at the latest).
Even if it is not some sort of conspiracy, or at least a politicization of something that should not have been political, the level of incompetence in the response was driven by “liberal” values: everyone is the same, we must protect the weakest members of society, and, most importantly, government solves problems. Work for the collective “good.”
It’s completely botched. Had CDC said at the outset, the risk to healthy young people is de minimus, that you get it once you’re good, do what you want, we would have been in no worse shape than we ended up with much less disruption. |
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Date: March 1st, 2022 11:31 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary you're right. as i said above, i believed erroneously that all of the mistakes were due to leaders acting in good faith w/ incomplete information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44065596) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:35 AM Author: disturbing range coffee pot You can’t handle the truth is the bottom line of everything these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066221) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:51 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary it just took me a while!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066244) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:52 AM Author: disturbing range coffee pot DTF? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066245) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:53 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i like them much younger sry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066247) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:58 AM Author: disturbing range coffee pot So do I. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066259) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:49 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary crrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44066329) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 7:32 AM Author: misunderstood area dopamine TCR, especially the last sentence.
It is astounding that people in places like NYC have put up with draconian restrictions without demanding proof that they result in better outcomes than places like Florida which have none. When they started to require vaccine passports for restaurants and museums, no one spoke up and asked what evidence was that these places were sites of significant spread (they aren’t) or why a negative PCR test within 24 hours would not suffice. And no one thought about removing these restrictions when cases ultimately skyrocketed when Omicron hit.
The reality is that nearly all response to COVID since the end of April 2020 has been lib virtue signaling and sheer incompetence. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 1:56 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ya i've always said that there's no reason a recent negative test shouldn't suffice for entry into places (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44068990) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 10:06 PM Author: Electric Plaza If tests were going to be required, they should be required by everybody vaxxed or not. The vaxxed could almost as easily have the 'rona as anyone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44080075) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:45 AM Author: Flatulent location It's really about logical thinking and rational decisionmaking vs feeling decisionmaking. Men are more likely to be thinking decisionmakers whereas women generally make decisions based on how they feel. That's why all the women and lib-beta men bought into the BIG LIE the most.
Myers Briggs described this with the Thinking/Feeling pair. Do you like to put more weight on objective principles and impersonal facts (Thinking) or do you put more weight on personal concerns and the people involved (Feeling)?
Thinking (T)
When I make a decision, I like to find the basic truth or principle to be applied, regardless of the specific situation involved. I like to analyze pros and cons, and then be consistent and logical in deciding. I try to be impersonal, so I won't let my personal wishes--or other people's wishes--influence me.
The following statements generally apply to me:
I enjoy technical and scientific fields where logic is important.
I notice inconsistencies.
I look for logical explanations or solutions to most everything.
I make decisions with my head and want to be fair.
I believe telling the truth is more important than being tactful.
Sometimes I miss or don't value the "people" part of a situation.
I can be seen as too task-oriented, uncaring, or indifferent.
Feeling (F)
I believe I can make the best decisions by weighing what people care about and the points-of-view of persons involved in a situation. I am concerned with values and what is the best for the people involved. I like to do whatever will establish or maintain harmony. In my relationships, I appear caring, warm, and tactful.
The following statements generally apply to me:
I have a people or communications orientation.
I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
I look for what is important to others and express concern for others.
I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
I believe being tactful is more important than telling the "cold" truth.
Sometimes I miss seeing or communicating the "hard truth" of situations.
I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.
According to data collected by MBTI, the only significant difference between genders occurs within the Thinking - Feeling dichotomy. The majority of women (roughly 75%) fall into the feelers category, whereas less than 45% of men can be categorized as feelers. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 11:59 AM Author: maize marvelous casino trust fund I did read something recently (trying to remember who wrote it) that hypothesized the rapid spread of wokery and CRT has to do with the dominance of women in HR and education administration. Women are much more likely to accept "feelings" as an acceptable truth and that restraints on speech is acceptable to protect feelings. Men, on the other hand, view things differently and find objective truth more important regardless of the cost.
There are still soyboy men feminized by the cult of women and their growth to position of influence. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 12:12 PM Author: 180 meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44068108) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 12:20 PM Author: Flatulent location That theory makes sense to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44068158) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 6:38 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary this is moronic lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074087) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 4:07 AM Author: Swashbuckling crawly den cuckold Good job.
Now reason your way through the other "causes" championed by the left + corporate media + tech oligarchs + education establishment and see what you conclude. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:27 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge I'm still waiting for Box to tell me how Trump revealed the "evil right wing fascism and racism brewing in the country"
How many people were killed by evil right wing fascists from 2016 to 2020? 15?
Thats less than what BLM managed to kill in one summer of riots. Not to mention thousands injured and billions in damage.
Or does she mean that the Trump presidency revealed overt racism by blacks who are running around beating up and killing Asians?
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 2:38 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary see upthread, i explained to beckersted what i meant by that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44069372) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:22 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44069741) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:23 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ? i literally said upthread that i found the numbers striking at the time but it was prob just media spin, and i agreed with his take that all crimes are hate crimes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44069748) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:27 PM Author: Heady soggy indian lodge so again, whats the proof of the deep belly of right wing facism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44069772) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2022 3:32 PM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary look if you really have a huge problem with the factors i said pushed libs to becum LEFTBORG, just add the word "perceived" to my poast
for the 1000th time, i was offering an explanation, not a justification |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 7:03 AM Author: transparent bearded clown trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074122) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 7:34 AM Author: judgmental institution lol at thinking libs have "good intentions" with this. They aren't even thinking. They are just weak, afraid, power hungry people who hate themselves and need something to latch onto. They also have low spatial intelligence and reasoning as a group which makes them much more susceptible to propaganda and anecdotes of "bad things" happening. Much more can be said about this of course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074177) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 7:40 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary how come high IQ ppl are so much more often lib? i've been surrounded by exceptionally intelligent people my whole life (esp going to an ivy league school etc.) and they skew waaaay left (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074191) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 7:55 AM Author: Adventurous box office it's because they're all weak, afraid, power hungry people who hate themselves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074209) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 8:00 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary i'm talking about what he said about reasoning skills (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074219) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 8:01 AM Author: judgmental institution I never mentioned IQ in my post. Spatial reasoning is one aspect of IQ but libs tend to worse at that but higher in verbal. But iq is not really the main thrust of what I said anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44074221) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2022 8:02 AM Author: Slap-happy glassy sanctuary ok i mean we all know IQ is flame but i was using it as shorthand for objective intelligence. you said that libs "have low spatial intelligence and reasoning as a group"
also what does spatial intelligence have to do with anything?! |
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Date: March 4th, 2022 12:03 PM Author: Exciting rehab rigor Spatial reasoning is actually largely disconnected from g. Spatial is not quantitative reasoning. And verbal iq is very highly correlated with g.
While it's true that libs have verbal tilt, the real problem is that they're, by and large, emotional, oversocialized midwits. |
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Date: March 4th, 2022 12:41 PM Author: Swashbuckling crawly den cuckold https://i.imgur.com/7q4n613.png HTH! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44083494) |
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Date: March 4th, 2022 11:58 AM Author: Drunken Gold Corner Now, change COVID to "Russia/Ukraine" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44083116) |
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Date: March 4th, 2022 12:05 PM Author: wild stage No, the media would never (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5046071&forum_id=2#44083175) |