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godawful trump supporter
  02/01/23
i imagine at that point it converges with being an alcoholic...
Stubborn Gas Station Friendly Grandma
  02/01/23
Most of us did both
lime exhilarant step-uncle's house
  02/01/23
alcoholism + pandemic shutdown ruined my ability to biglaw. ...
Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison
  02/01/23
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godawful trump supporter
  02/01/23
Cr. I nearly drank myself to death and ended up in rehab. I ...
lime exhilarant step-uncle's house
  02/02/23
this is common
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
I had a year of sobriety right when the pandemic hit and it ...
Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman
  02/02/23
They're not exclusive. It was fucking shocking how clean my...
Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman
  02/01/23
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free-loading razzle tanning salon therapy
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iridescent set
  02/01/23
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godawful trump supporter
  02/01/23
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Self-centered mint office
  02/01/23
It never stops - the emails, needing to prove your worth, th...
pea-brained indigo property queen of the night
  02/01/23
I am glad that you have had this result. I wish that I felt...
Know-it-all public bath pistol
  02/01/23
Thanks - rooting for you. We are financially secure but ...
pea-brained indigo property queen of the night
  02/01/23
I should have mentioned private school. There are parents pa...
pea-brained indigo property queen of the night
  02/01/23
I just want to get out of my shit house and move my family t...
Know-it-all public bath pistol
  02/01/23
I have 3 kids. We doubled our property tax for an arguably w...
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
this
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
At least you managed to go in-house at WikiFeet
razzle-dazzle frozen cruise ship
  02/02/23
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wine bearded theater multi-billionaire
  02/02/23
180 x 180. Not flame
lime exhilarant step-uncle's house
  02/01/23
shitcanned 9.5 years in lol
Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison
  02/01/23
Walk us through that. How do you get almost a decade and th...
greedy box office volcanic crater
  02/01/23
(guy who is unfamiliar with biglaw)
Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference
  02/01/23
I thought the model had changed since 10 years ago. See my ...
greedy box office volcanic crater
  02/01/23
It has but as soon as there is even a minor slow down or som...
lime exhilarant step-uncle's house
  02/02/23
or they offer you perma-counsel gig that pays less than 5th ...
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
The understanding that any non partner can be sacked at any ...
Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference
  02/01/23
Hear me out: What about all the chatter of "this time i...
greedy box office volcanic crater
  02/01/23
There is nothing significant about year 10. I never said the...
Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference
  02/01/23
that was more true during the pandemic. now that we're in a...
Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse
  02/02/23
That's literally the business model.
Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman
  02/01/23
I don't know whether to believe all the of counsel poasting ...
greedy box office volcanic crater
  02/01/23
Of counsels are sacked all the time
Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference
  02/01/23
it depends on your practice area and how busy you are. It h...
massive frum dysfunction
  02/02/23
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free-loading razzle tanning salon therapy
  02/02/23
i lateraled 3 years in. at second firm was checked out pret...
Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison
  02/01/23
lol nice move. Do you think if you had just kept hitting th...
greedy box office volcanic crater
  02/01/23
yes, at this particular firm, but not everywhere. the thing...
Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison
  02/02/23
new job? firm?
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
Pretty chill, all told.
Sable galvanic organic girlfriend
  02/01/23
made equity. slide and let do
Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse
  02/01/23
Word
lime exhilarant step-uncle's house
  02/02/23
About to be shitcanned
heady dark ratface trailer park
  02/02/23
made equity, 3 mil+/year
bespoke black knife regret
  02/02/23
tier 1 city biglol firms for 6 years, tier 3 city regional f...
walnut appetizing hominid spot
  02/02/23
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wine bearded theater multi-billionaire
  02/02/23
7 years in Biglaw, 4 years in house, finally settled into a ...
wonderful anal space
  02/02/23
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wine bearded theater multi-billionaire
  02/02/23
Are there any regrets about not doing it on your own and sta...
Lascivious home stock car
  02/02/23
For a while on XO, there was great fascination with franchis...
Milky pungent legal warrant
  02/02/23
There's at least one poaster with multiple Subway franchises
Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman
  02/02/23
Burgerim is an Israeli[1] fast food hamburger franchise. Bur...
Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman
  02/02/23
Still time to turn it around and make millions and billions!
pale fragrant whorehouse main people
  02/02/23
-no. i don't have that kind of hustle/risk tolerance and i ...
Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse
  02/02/23


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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:24 PM
Author: godawful trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875131)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:26 PM
Author: Stubborn Gas Station Friendly Grandma

i imagine at that point it converges with being an alcoholic but instead of wasting time drinking you wasted it editing documents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875139)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:47 PM
Author: lime exhilarant step-uncle's house

Most of us did both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875241)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:00 PM
Author: Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison

alcoholism + pandemic shutdown ruined my ability to biglaw. it was easier to function and keep myself somewhat in check when i had to roll into the office every day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875306)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:18 PM
Author: godawful trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875402)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 4:59 AM
Author: lime exhilarant step-uncle's house

Cr. I nearly drank myself to death and ended up in rehab. I biglaw better now though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875917)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:07 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

this is common

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875967)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 7:46 PM
Author: Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman

I had a year of sobriety right when the pandemic hit and it was obvious everyone on the edge would be dead or in rehab by the fall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879298)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:12 PM
Author: Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman

They're not exclusive. It was fucking shocking how clean my copy was after 8 pm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875373)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:32 PM
Author: free-loading razzle tanning salon therapy



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:33 PM
Author: iridescent set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875169)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:19 PM
Author: godawful trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875405)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:36 PM
Author: Self-centered mint office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875182)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: pea-brained indigo property queen of the night

It never stops - the emails, needing to prove your worth, the competition for clients, the billing pressure, the client complaints about the bill, the associate churn, the summer program, the emails, the texts, the emails, etc.

There’s no going back. Don’t know how to do anything but the kind of deals I’ve spent 80% of my working time on for the last 15 years. There are people a few rungs down the preftige ladder who work about as hard but get paid 1/3 as much, so that helps.

Life is pretty good. Attracted to my wife. House is fine although other people have spent more and theirs are nicer. Love my kids more than anything. Get along with my parents and siblings (although I’m the black sheep who moved away).

There’s never enough time to do everything and the first thing to go is any solo activities / hobbies.

We’re thrifty but I don’t really ever have to think about money or how much something costs (within reason). I take nice vacations. I save money.

Being partner and having a small book has helped me get some control over my life although there are always more important people who can shit on you (and do from time to time at their convenience).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875204)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:47 PM
Author: Know-it-all public bath pistol

I am glad that you have had this result.

I wish that I felt some semblance of security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875242)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:51 PM
Author: pea-brained indigo property queen of the night

Thanks - rooting for you.

We are financially secure but only because our spending has not kept up with our income. Looking around any my partners, this generally is not the case. Some have been in the same house for 15-20 years, but lots trade up a few times, sometimes have summer homes and ski homes in expensive areas, some “summer” in Europe, etc. Who you marry is most critical in this. I just want to be able to quit when my kids are done with school and not try to hang around until I’m 70.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875268)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:56 PM
Author: pea-brained indigo property queen of the night

I should have mentioned private school. There are parents paying $60k/year x 2-3 kids for K-19 or more. It’s just insane. I can’t fathom that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875292)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:01 PM
Author: Know-it-all public bath pistol

I just want to get out of my shit house and move my family to a better town. I have 4 kids. Public schools are necessary, but want to have a slightly better life for them. It sucks being poor and having no options.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875317)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:12 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

I have 3 kids. We doubled our property tax for an arguably worse house in a much better school district

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875970)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:11 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875969)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:01 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle frozen cruise ship

At least you managed to go in-house at WikiFeet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45876104)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: wine bearded theater multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879834)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:47 PM
Author: lime exhilarant step-uncle's house

180 x 180. Not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875239)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:48 PM
Author: Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison

shitcanned 9.5 years in lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875252)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:04 PM
Author: greedy box office volcanic crater

Walk us through that. How do you get almost a decade and they just say "get the fuck out." Were you at an up or out firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875335)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:12 PM
Author: Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference

(guy who is unfamiliar with biglaw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875371)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:16 PM
Author: greedy box office volcanic crater

I thought the model had changed since 10 years ago. See my ? below.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875391)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 5:01 AM
Author: lime exhilarant step-uncle's house

It has but as soon as there is even a minor slow down or some partner gets a bee in his bonnet you're dun here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875919)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:16 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

or they offer you perma-counsel gig that pays less than 5th year associate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875973)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:13 PM
Author: Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference

The understanding that any non partner can be sacked at any time for little or no reason is one of *the* defining trade-offs of biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875376)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:16 PM
Author: greedy box office volcanic crater

Hear me out: What about all the chatter of "this time it's different, up or out is dead, everyone is a permanent of counsel these days." Is that just an XO meme? Are people still routinely getting fired if they don't get breakfast at year 10?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875385)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:37 PM
Author: Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference

There is nothing significant about year 10. I never said there was. Guys can hang around for 15, 20 years and then be fired one day out of the blue. Or you can be fired at year 5 out of the blue, or year 10. The point is that there is no job security over any time horizon, unless you are a partner with portable biz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875475)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:26 PM
Author: Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse

that was more true during the pandemic. now that we're in a downturn and clients are being pissy the chaff is getting cut loose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879483)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:13 PM
Author: Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman

That's literally the business model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875377)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:17 PM
Author: greedy box office volcanic crater

I don't know whether to believe all the of counsel poasting on XO or not. I thought it was more common to just be pushed into an of counsel role in 2023 not kicked out on your ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875395)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:38 PM
Author: Aquamarine nudist indian lodge athletic conference

Of counsels are sacked all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875478)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 1:52 AM
Author: massive frum dysfunction

it depends on your practice area and how busy you are. It has generally been this way the last five years or so but many areas are slowing down. Firm profits were down last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875730)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 1:51 PM
Author: free-loading razzle tanning salon therapy



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:17 PM
Author: Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison

i lateraled 3 years in. at second firm was checked out pretty early so would alternate 2000 billable years for really low years (honestly like 1500 hours). would honestly actively avoid work at all costs and have to lie in reviews about being confused about not being more busy and being more proactive about getting more work, blah blah blah. substance wise, my work was pretty good--i never had a bad review. anyway, ended up being shitcanned midyear 2022 before ever getting a negative review to set up the process. pretty sure the business people at the firm made a decision to cut dead weight because of economic worries. none of the people i was working with even knew about it (including pretty senior partners) until i told them. total shitshow

anyway, i got 3.5 month severance (we'll pay you for awhile until you find a job and you're still employed), and found a job at about two months but delayed the start date and didn't tell the firm that fired me i had a new job until like a week before i was staring. getting paid biglaw senior assoc money to do nothing for two months with a job in hand was pretty sweet tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875392)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:18 PM
Author: greedy box office volcanic crater

lol nice move. Do you think if you had just kept hitting the 2,000 hour mark they would have kept you around forever? Or did you feel pressure to either get breakfast or gtfo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875403)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 1:00 AM
Author: Charismatic overrated weed whacker garrison

yes, at this particular firm, but not everywhere. the thing with this firm is that you actually had to seek out work to be busy (and there was plenty of it). i very rarely turnded down work when approached, but i had a mental block about seeking it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875681)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:17 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

new job? firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875974)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 10:50 PM
Author: Sable galvanic organic girlfriend

Pretty chill, all told.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875259)



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Date: February 1st, 2023 11:24 PM
Author: Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse

made equity. slide and let do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875419)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 5:02 AM
Author: lime exhilarant step-uncle's house

Word

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875921)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 1:13 AM
Author: heady dark ratface trailer park

About to be shitcanned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875706)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 2:32 AM
Author: bespoke black knife regret

made equity, 3 mil+/year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875787)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 6:11 AM
Author: walnut appetizing hominid spot

tier 1 city biglol firms for 6 years, tier 3 city regional firm 2 years. since then inhouse at fortune 1000 company.

I hated biglol. should've left after 2-3 years and gone regional. but I was too bitter which probably foreclosed me becoming partner forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45875968)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 9:58 PM
Author: wine bearded theater multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879851)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 7:45 AM
Author: wonderful anal space

7 years in Biglaw, 4 years in house, finally settled into a spot where loans are paid off, house is secured, have enough to live on to last the family a couple of years should things go totally south. It’s been a horrible journey and still is in some ways, but I can’t say I would’ve wound up in any better place through a different course. I was a member of the ITE gen with no marketable skills who rode out the worst of ITE in law school then luckily wound up biglaw secure. Alternative would’ve probably been extended unemployment during ITE then some equally bullshit corporate job earning low six figures.

Current goals are create more of a financial cushion; avoid striver mistakes (eg expensive private elementary school where there’s a free great public school nearby); get into a place where I might be able to transition to something else in a few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45876071)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 9:58 PM
Author: wine bearded theater multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879856)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 10:57 AM
Author: Lascivious home stock car

Are there any regrets about not doing it on your own and starting your own firm?

Any regrets about not doing “lawyer work” like going to trial, advocating for proles, going after shit industries and scams, cleaning up the city and state muck, defending high profile people from THE SYSTEM?

What separates a biglaw lawyer from someone like CLSG or those succesful lawyers everyone knows about it in every city? Just pure Entrepreneurship??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45876728)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:00 PM
Author: Milky pungent legal warrant

For a while on XO, there was great fascination with franchising. People saw it as a way to get rich without having to take any risks or demonstrate any entrepreneurial instincts. I tried to explain to poasters how lol-worthy this idea was, maybe I got through to a few of them.

The attraction to Biglaw is similar for a lot of people out there. It's seen as a way to get rich by following instructions, painting by numbers, and climbing the ladder in a relatively risk-free manner. But if you have that mindset, you get pushed out after a few years and make 250k in house while telling yourself that's what you wanted all along. Not really speaking from experience but the people who succeed in Biglaw, to the point of actually making millions a year, combine intelligence with strategic socializing and networking, being in the right place at the right time, and a Herculean capacity for drudgery. They probably worked harder to get those seven figure incomes than they would have if they had just started some company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879356)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:26 PM
Author: Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman

There's at least one poaster with multiple Subway franchises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879480)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:29 PM
Author: Pearl spectacular school cafeteria black woman

Burgerim is an Israeli[1] fast food hamburger franchise. Burgerim opened its first U.S. location in 2016 and rapidly grew to over 200 locations by 2019. In late 2019, the company began facing multiple controversies, including financial mismanagement leading to insolvency and allegations of using deceptive marketing practices to sell unprofitable franchises as quickly as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879493)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: pale fragrant whorehouse main people

Still time to turn it around and make millions and billions!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879411)



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Date: February 2nd, 2023 8:25 PM
Author: Histrionic Windowlicker Meetinghouse

-no. i don't have that kind of hustle/risk tolerance and i didn't get a portable book big enough to matter until recently. i get offers from higher PPP firms all the time but i have yet to feel that it's worth it to burn down whatever i've built so far and start over

-i go to trial fairly often and do enough pro bono work with proles to stifle any regrets

-hustle, practice area, era. CSLG is atypical. you don't see many "successful lawyers" in a town that are broadly famous in a city that are under 50

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5282474&forum_id=2#45879478)