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DEC LSAT THREAD (TALC)

Hello. I know there are a bunch of threads about the lsat to...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
*crickets chirping*
aphrodisiac theater
  12/02/06
helo. section 1 had to be exp i had: LR, RC, LR, LG, L...
cerebral mahogany box office
  12/02/06
the second LR (with the stupid garden/living room sliding do...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
Correct. I had Games, LR, RC....LR, Games
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
i had same as you. i found the first games much easier than ...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
Wow, I thought the real games were much easier than the exp....
Boyish yapping property
  12/02/06
I thought the exp. was a wee bit easier b/c it didnt have as...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
The experimental games pwn3d me. That was the only games se...
frozen private investor dilemma
  12/02/06
i found the eperimentals kinda fun. they were a tad tricky b...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
no, its diagrammed like this H\F\G G\F\H
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
Okay, so I'm not clear on this rule...did that also mean tha...
Boyish yapping property
  12/02/06
i think youre right. I didnt pick up on that. either way, i ...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
you took it dooder? how was it for you?
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
it was alright. i feel like it went much better than the sep...
cerebral mahogany box office
  12/02/06
great. I finally got my mojo working. I found the RC easier ...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
congrats
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
thanks dood. what a load off. congrats @ Michigan you bastar...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
how were you able to ward off the anxiety this time?
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
I started playing drums again. what a life-saver. I played l...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
I thought it was really easy. If I get less than a 177 I wil...
buff juggernaut mental disorder
  12/02/06
Did you actually retake? This was probably a good idea. ...
Ungodly idiotic locus mother
  12/02/06
I didn't retake. I think I should have though.
buff juggernaut mental disorder
  12/02/06
We'll see if you get dinged from H....
Ungodly idiotic locus mother
  12/02/06
i thought you were already at HLS
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
Let's put it this way...I predict a -7 for a 170 on this one...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
yeah. hello, 160!
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
Whatever, if i break 163, im golden.
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
oh, i meant i probably scored a 160. you probably know your ...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
ill aplly this year and see how it goes.... what were you...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
initially i wanted 170+ (like everyone else) but then realit...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
cool dood. im the same way, ill be happy with LOYOLA now. i ...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
i had LG LR RC LR LG, with LG1 as experimental. the exp. had...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
I had the same test. Im not EVER taking this test again. Eve...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
wow, i should probably cancel then. i did not find it easy a...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
what the fuck? why would you cancel? you know where you're g...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
i bet they retroactively ding me
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
TALC. that game, the 3rd one. it was the ordering of the CDs...
aromatic base genital piercing
  12/02/06
it was like this, if i remember: TWYSVZX where s is alway...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
it was W must be rock i believe. that took me a while but i ...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
besides 678....how did you figure out what was rock what was...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
C always had to be before R, so no R1, no C8....other than t...
Boyish yapping property
  12/02/06
aw shit. i tottaly missed the C had to be 1. fuck
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
the first one HAD to be new age because rock can only go in ...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
i picked either t is new age or y is new age....i cant remem...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
this is right i think.
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
TWYSXZY
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
huh?
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
i don't remember the exact question, but if as umd says, the...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
i see three in front of v
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
uhh, shit
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
the question was worded very awkwardly. it was, if there are...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
so was Y the must in 3rd?
aromatic base genital piercing
  12/02/06
you just lost me
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
Does anyone happen to remember how many of the answers to th...
bipolar field
  12/02/06
what was that game again?
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
i remember that a disproportionate # of answers on this test...
coiffed theatre cuck
  12/02/06
DUDE. I remember one of my games every one of my answers w...
Boyish yapping property
  12/02/06
doesnt kaplan or some testing site rate how hard the test wa...
aromatic base genital piercing
  12/02/06
i remember as having lots of Ds as LG answers.
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
YES! I had one game (I think the 2nd or 3rd one), where ev...
Boyish yapping property
  12/02/06
i don't think i had any game like that. from what i recall, ...
Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting
  12/02/06
I.F.A.t.B.C.t.XOXO and YOdawgSUP! nice goin guys, im root...
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
Im gonna go watch UCLA trounce USC now. Love you guys.
cream slap-happy indian lodge
  12/02/06
TALC, I thought you were in at Harvard. Why the retake?
primrose charismatic space idiot
  12/02/06


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Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:16 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

Hello. I know there are a bunch of threads about the lsat today already, but i want to consolidate the discussion. Please join me. tyia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120532)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:16 PM
Author: aphrodisiac theater

*crickets chirping*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120535)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: cerebral mahogany box office

helo.

section 1 had to be exp

i had: LR, RC, LR, LG, LR

i didnt get a chance to finish the last few questions of the RC. i hated the first section of LR, thank god it's not real!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120540)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

the second LR (with the stupid garden/living room sliding doors question) pwned me. i got to all the RCs but didnt feel as confident in my answer choices as usual. had to guess on one on first LR and 2 on second and one game question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120550)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

Correct. I had Games, LR, RC....LR, Games

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120554)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:19 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

i had same as you. i found the first games much easier than the second one. the second game on the second games section pwned me. the one where H>F or H>G but not both.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120564)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: Boyish yapping property

Wow, I thought the real games were much easier than the exp., though the 2nd on the real section wasn't that easy...the 3rd was fuckin cake (rock/contemporary songs), the last was alright (ordering game), the first was cake if you saw the limited possibilities (overalls/shirt; plaid/solid)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120594)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:23 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

I thought the exp. was a wee bit easier b/c it didnt have as many variables in most of the games. however, i feel that the exp was more time-consuming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120617)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: frozen private investor dilemma

The experimental games pwn3d me. That was the only games section I didn't finish on time since I started studying for the LSAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120659)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:29 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

i found the eperimentals kinda fun. they were a tad tricky but once you figured them out it was exciting to pwn them like barzini pwns a yiddish cunnus.

i got pwned in return on the actual though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120675)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:22 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

no, its diagrammed like this

H\F\G

G\F\H

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120605)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:40 PM
Author: Boyish yapping property

Okay, so I'm not clear on this rule...did that also mean that it couldn't be G/H/F?

The rule said it was before one or the other but not both. Does that mean it couldn't be after both. I think I self-pwn3d bigtime. Fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120783)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:42 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

i think youre right. I didnt pick up on that. either way, i didnt seem to need it. who knows, maybe i fucked it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120804)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

you took it dooder? how was it for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120541)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:18 PM
Author: cerebral mahogany box office

it was alright. i feel like it went much better than the sept (i cancelled). but we'll see.

thomas cooley here i come

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120558)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:20 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

great. I finally got my mojo working. I found the RC easier than oct. and less time demanding. Games were a bit easier as well, especially b/c 3 were linear. LR was my creme as you well know, so i finished both sections with over 5 min. left. 165 here i come!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120576)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:22 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120613)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:24 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

thanks dood. what a load off. congrats @ Michigan you bastard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120620)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:30 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

how were you able to ward off the anxiety this time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120681)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:32 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

I started playing drums again. what a life-saver. I played last night b4 i went to bed. Also, i told myself that i was goint to keep the score no matter what, and not go to LS if i have to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120698)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:17 PM
Author: buff juggernaut mental disorder

I thought it was really easy. If I get less than a 177 I will probably ask LSAC to have it rescored.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120546)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:19 PM
Author: Ungodly idiotic locus mother

Did you actually retake?

This was probably a good idea. I don't think 172 (?) did you justice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120565)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:21 PM
Author: buff juggernaut mental disorder

I didn't retake. I think I should have though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120582)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:22 PM
Author: Ungodly idiotic locus mother

We'll see if you get dinged from H....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120604)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:19 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

i thought you were already at HLS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120567)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:25 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

Let's put it this way...I predict a -7 for a 170 on this one. Thats how cake it was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120628)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:27 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

yeah. hello, 160!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120652)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:33 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

Whatever, if i break 163, im golden.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120706)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:36 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

oh, i meant i probably scored a 160. you probably know your shit better than i do.

don't want chicago ed anymore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120734)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:39 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

ill aplly this year and see how it goes....

what were you going for score-wise again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120775)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:43 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

initially i wanted 170+ (like everyone else) but then reality kicked in and now i'll be okay with 165 and a fordham/gw/gt pt acceptance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120818)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:46 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

cool dood. im the same way, ill be happy with LOYOLA now. i really hope im wrong about the scale, but if difficulty and last year are any indication....

how many questions did it have?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120842)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:50 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

i had LG LR RC LR LG, with LG1 as experimental. the exp. had 23 questions, and the rest of the sections had, in order, 25, 28, 25, 22, so 100 total.

i really don't want to have to deal with this shit in feb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120883)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:52 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

I had the same test. Im not EVER taking this test again. Even if i get a 120.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120906)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:28 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

wow, i should probably cancel then. i did not find it easy at all. but dammit i want to learn my score for curiousity's sake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120666)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:30 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

what the fuck? why would you cancel? you know where you're going to school already. quit being a douche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120680)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:30 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

i bet they retroactively ding me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120686)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:34 PM
Author: aromatic base genital piercing

TALC. that game, the 3rd one. it was the ordering of the CDs. it seemed like TWY were in some order 123, they gave us 4, and 6 was z and z was a rock. v and something else had to be 5 and 6. but in the last question it was like only 2 come before v and 2 come before y. i was like wtf. what happened? it was much be true. i forget if i put y must be 3rd or w must be rock cuz i got both to must be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120715)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:37 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

it was like this, if i remember:

TWYSVZX where s is always 5th z is 7th x and v can be 6th or 8th TWY were 1,2,3 butcould be in any order (i think)

TYWSVZX this solves it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120749)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:37 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

it was W must be rock i believe. that took me a while but i eventually got it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120750)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:38 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

besides 678....how did you figure out what was rock what was contemporary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120762)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:43 PM
Author: Boyish yapping property

C always had to be before R, so no R1, no C8....other than that, the only ones that were uncertain were 2 and 3, which didn't matter because all of the variables were placed by the respective questions. I found this game incredibly easy, but I think I self-pwnt on the H/F/G game...fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120810)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:44 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

aw shit. i tottaly missed the C had to be 1. fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120827)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:45 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

the first one HAD to be new age because rock can only go in a spot if new age is before it. with the info we were given for that question, we were able to figure out that one of the variables was in the very first spot. i dont remember what the variable was but i'm pretty sure the answer to that question was that that variable (the very first one) was new age. (not rock).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120839)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:46 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

i picked either t is new age or y is new age....i cant rememmber.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120850)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:47 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

this is right i think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120856)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:42 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

TWYSXZY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120805)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:43 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

huh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120815)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:45 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

i don't remember the exact question, but if as umd says, there were two in front of y and two in front of v, then it had to be TWYSXZV

edit: oops, just realized there was a typo above. my bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120834)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:48 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

i see three in front of v

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120861)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:53 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

uhh, shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120912)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:51 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

the question was worded very awkwardly. it was, if there are two variables that both precede something and are preceeded by something.... basically it wanted you to realize the order was: T W Y S V Z X or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120895)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:57 PM
Author: aromatic base genital piercing

so was Y the must in 3rd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120954)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:58 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

you just lost me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120963)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: bipolar field

Does anyone happen to remember how many of the answers to the CD logic game were C?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120872)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:49 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

what was that game again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120878)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:52 PM
Author: coiffed theatre cuck

i remember that a disproportionate # of answers on this test on a certain section (dont know if it was RC or LG or both) were C, i believe.... take it for what it's worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120907)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 7:01 PM
Author: Boyish yapping property

DUDE. I remember one of my games every one of my answers was D or E....That freaked me out and made me think I missed a lot. Did I fuck up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7121001)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:36 PM
Author: aromatic base genital piercing

doesnt kaplan or some testing site rate how hard the test was by taking a poll or something? they seemed pretty good. they said the feb 06 was harder than dec 05 and the scale was more forgiving, they said the sept 06 and june 06 were about the same and they were both -10 for 170. anyone know where to find that? its normally on LSD but their down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120736)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:54 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

i remember as having lots of Ds as LG answers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120919)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 7:03 PM
Author: Boyish yapping property

YES! I had one game (I think the 2nd or 3rd one), where every answer was D or E for me.. (I think like 3 ds and 2 es or something) please tell me I didn't miss them all!?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7121013)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 7:09 PM
Author: Bisexual Gay Theater Stage Famous Landscape Painting

i don't think i had any game like that. from what i recall, the answers to the first, say, 7 or 8 questions were fairly distributed among the choices, followed by two games where i'd say 60% of the answers were D. i think i also had one or two Ds in the last game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7121112)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:54 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

I.F.A.t.B.C.t.XOXO and YOdawgSUP!

nice goin guys, im rooting for ya

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120928)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 6:56 PM
Author: cream slap-happy indian lodge

Im gonna go watch UCLA trounce USC now. Love you guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7120941)





Date: December 2nd, 2006 7:54 PM
Author: primrose charismatic space idiot

TALC,

I thought you were in at Harvard. Why the retake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=537793&forum_id=2#7121532)