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BREAKING NEWS: KIRKLAND & ELLIS announces and shatters NY mk

Details to follow. Bonuses reached 120K. EDIT: Due to...
spruce state
  12/18/06
THE TRAGICAL HISTORY OF DOCTOR FAUSTUS BY CHRISTOPHER MARLO...
cruel-hearted cheese-eating background story
  12/18/06
wow
Multi-colored fortuitous meteor meetinghouse
  12/18/06
wow
Multi-colored fortuitous meteor meetinghouse
  12/18/06
I am hearing that KIRKLAND & ELLIS is paying up to 70K f...
spruce state
  12/18/06
nychasbeenspwn3d
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
Post a memo or shut the fuck up. Thanks.
Insecure laser beams home
  12/18/06
The poster on Greedy LA claims there is no memo because it's...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
there must be some letter that the individual associates get...
Insecure laser beams home
  12/18/06
Never any memo. Was no memo last yr. In person meeting...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Did you post this on Greedy LA? "Kirkland Announces!...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
almost certainly.
Thriller bipolar pit
  12/18/06
No that is not my schtick as I would never write "Kirkl...
spruce state
  12/18/06
True. One saves you money and the other pays you money.
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
...
Beady-eyed Tank
  12/18/06
Don't post on greedy. Don't know anything about LA bonuses.
spruce state
  12/18/06
Confirmed. I know two associates at K&E Chicago - both...
arrogant crackhouse
  12/18/06
I did not know this about Chicago. It seems fair that the gr...
spruce state
  12/18/06
NY market bonus for 2001 is $55k so even with the $145k vs. ...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
It looks like KIRKLAND & ELLIS is primed to be the undis...
spruce state
  12/18/06
I hope you can swallow fast enough to keep up with how hard ...
Insecure laser beams home
  12/18/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS next year I will swallow a big hot j...
spruce state
  12/18/06
"Bonuses." HTH
underhanded stimulating associate resort
  12/18/06
...
Beady-eyed Tank
  12/18/06
lol flame.
stirring chad
  12/18/06
If this is true, the great part is that there is no memo so ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
There was no memo at KIRKLAND & ELLIS last year yet the ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Here's the info from last year: http://www.infirmation.com/b...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
But that is not a memorandum that KIRKLAND & ELLIS email...
spruce state
  12/18/06
purported to be 10% increase from last year, all around.
arrogant crackhouse
  12/18/06
I have heard more than 10% but I am waiting to hear more gre...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Yes, but since it is a "discretionary system" - th...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
You are correct. The NYC hasbeens and their crappy associate...
spruce state
  12/18/06
I don't think law firm associates are in denial that it suck...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
This is why KIRKLAND & ELLIS is the firm of the future a...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Not sure many people are going to abandon all of their conne...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
It will be a gradual process that will happen over time and ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
You are assuming rationality. K&E needs to work on that...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
They are V10 now, and seem to be the only firm with upward m...
Curious sadistic macaca becky
  12/18/06
See my below post. We should all try to reward kirkland.
sick piazza circlehead
  12/18/06
I do not follow Vault methodology so can you please tell me ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Its a survey of "prestige" by biglaw associates (w...
sick piazza circlehead
  12/18/06
It is pretty stupid to rank things like compensation with su...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
It helps the firms keep their high rankings without actually...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I have no idea, all I know is there score is very close to t...
Curious sadistic macaca becky
  12/18/06
This is true. No memo. Great for K&E, bad for rest of ...
arrogant crackhouse
  12/18/06
more like embarassing for the rest of the market. Its har...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
It's kinda amusing because I feel like I remember you and me...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
the one thing that we know for sure is that KIRKLAND & E...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
Dood, I know you like posting under multiple names, but at l...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I'm actually not this guy, I just admire him and everything ...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
ok... you did an excellent job of that.
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
This poster is not me. But imitation is flattery and I am ha...
spruce state
  12/18/06
In this years vault, i will be giving kirkland a score of 10...
sick piazza circlehead
  12/18/06
MILBANK deserves a 9 for leading the market.
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
I wish we could get a critical mass for this. Cravath, part...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Someone should post this on greedy. The scores in vault are...
sick piazza circlehead
  12/18/06
Agreed. Except I'm not allowed to vote yet.
Curious sadistic macaca becky
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS already deserves 10's because it is the...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Here are some more numbers on Greedy, although somebody clai...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
what does "With class" mean? Does this mean that ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS "with class" is the normal...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Yea I don't want to be below class...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS it is just as hard to get below clas...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Do you think someone "below class" at K&E woul...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
No I do not think so. I believe you are not grasping the ful...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Where do you think you'll fall in the class?
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS it is nearly impossible for a newer ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Flame. There are no people "with class" at K&...
underhanded stimulating associate resort
  12/18/06
I don't care what "Happy Camper" says, there's no ...
painfully honest slippery den gaping
  12/18/06
I'd own to this guy if I were him, he is a highly prestigiou...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
Here's another from Greedy Chicago: "Sources at Kirk...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
My sources are telling my that the KIRKLAND & ELLIS hour...
spruce state
  12/18/06
are you kidding? some times you take the bullshit way too fa...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
The KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is not released to the associa...
spruce state
  12/18/06
so for an average, 2000 hour associate, we're talking +7 ove...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* An average NY associate is more li...
spruce state
  12/18/06
maybe for some guys in M&A, but 2200 is NOT average. I ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
How many hours does the average Cravath associate bill a yea...
Curious sadistic macaca becky
  12/18/06
Isn't market for first years $35k now? So they're $2k over ...
Jet racy mother
  12/18/06
My sources tell me that KIRKLAND & ELLIS used 1800 hours...
spruce state
  12/18/06
" So a KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate who worked over 1...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
That chart is not the official KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid as ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Where did they specifically say this?
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
My sources said that such was announced at the KIRKLAND &...
spruce state
  12/18/06
So your sources are better than this guys sources? What is ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Me and the other guy are probably getting different data poi...
spruce state
  12/18/06
So you admit that you have no fucking idea, and his numbers ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
There is no way he can confirm all of that information unles...
spruce state
  12/18/06
There is no way you can confirm any information because you ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* The framework for how KIRKLAND &am...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Great. But you have no idea what # of hours you need to mak...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS said today that on the grid you need 18...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Again, how did you confirm this? And the second point is at...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Associates at KIRKLAND & ELLIS.
spruce state
  12/18/06
inferior firm compared to what? Kirkland is better than, say...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS is better than, say, Cravath or Sulliva...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Come on. Probably for bankruptcy,...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS is #1 in NYC for bankruptcy, litigation...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Weil, Davis/S&C/Cravath/Simpso...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
Why are you making stuff up? http://www.chambersandpartne...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS was USA Law Firm of the Year.
spruce state
  12/18/06
I guess that makes them the #1 firm for SPACELAW as well as ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
wait, so for nyc, it would look like this? 1st years billin...
Jet racy mother
  12/18/06
I said above that the chart seems higher in some cases and m...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Again, the median NY attorney does not work 2250 hours. Thi...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
The median NYC hasbeen attorney works more than 2000 hours.
spruce state
  12/18/06
Perhaps, but less than 2200. You seem to miss the point tha...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
No you seem to miss the point that the guy just posted rando...
spruce state
  12/18/06
let me try this again. Going off the chart above, looks lik...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
You are a 3L that summered at Kirkland NY last summer right?...
Jet racy mother
  12/18/06
3L former summer of KIRKLAND & ELLIS. I keep in contact ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
That much I believe.
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Is a first year a 2006 or a 2005? A 2006 the bonus is 30 k,...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS does not give a bonus to 2006 and inste...
spruce state
  12/18/06
whereas the other firms give a prorated bonus, which is goin...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I'd also give $2k not to work at a firm that only recently r...
Jet racy mother
  12/18/06
3rd years and 4th years tend to make a little more (15k) but...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
i bet it's pretty normal to hit 2400 in NYC
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
Maybe at Cravath. As far as I know at my firm, that number ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
i have no idea what the numbers are at Cravath, although it ...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
Really? Other firms have your year to date listed on your D...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I have no idea what a DTE is. I just know that every associ...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
You don't use Carpe Diem or some other electronic timesheet ...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
i just wrote down all my hours on a legal pad and gave it to...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
daily time entry. that might be outing my summer firm, but ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
why didn't you go back to your summer firm?
Costumed brunch elastic band
  12/18/06
A bunch of silly reasons, really. Nothing that would help a...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Are you going to one of your firm's competitors? Do you thin...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
Yes. I didn't go through OCI, I called up one of the firms ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*TOTAL MISINFORMATON ALERT* Top 4th years at KIRKLAND &am...
spruce state
  12/18/06
"top 4th years" have I ever said anything differe...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Yeah it's like, you work really hard, get a small premium to...
Jet racy mother
  12/18/06
Non-equity partnership! I can confuse my parents and frien...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* In an attempt to feel better about...
spruce state
  12/18/06
No, I'm saying 3rd years make 15k MORE than NY market, but t...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
The average third year associate at KIRKLAND & ELLIS isn...
spruce state
  12/18/06
The first point, that most people won't make parter, is a so...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Associates who work at KIRKLAND & ELLIS appreciate the a...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* The average KIRKLAND & ELLIS a...
spruce state
  12/18/06
"2k increase" is something you have invented to de...
spruce state
  12/18/06
You admit that your getting different datapoints so you don'...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
25k number goes to laterals who weren't there all year, moro...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Instead of a pro-rated bonus, laterals that were only there ...
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* For a lateral KIRKLAND & ELLIS...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Laterals to KIRKLAND & ELLIS get screwed because unlike ...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
To prevent that problem of the past KIRKLAND & ELLIS now...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* This does not, in and of itself, s...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
It's less of a shaft than before. If that lateral stays to m...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Laterals are still getting shafted...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
and you are basing this on what, gut feeling?
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
My KIRKLAND & ELLIS sources. Also there was a post on on...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* You have no idea what you are talk...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
Come on. If you actually summered at KIRKLAND & ELLIS, ...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
this is big news?
Bateful Newt
  12/18/06
yup.
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Heh, this thread was not the Troll's greatest performance. P...
charismatic mental disorder
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* I was the best opponent because Pr...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
PrestigeWhore just makes stuff up about KIRKLAND & ELLIS...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* You do not possess said "fact...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
The KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is not based on 200 hour incre...
spruce state
  12/18/06
I agree with that, but you have none of the other "fact...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
I have several data points and some of the general informati...
spruce state
  12/18/06
And this would explain why the means for the third years and...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
You are missing the point that KIRKLAND & ELLIS rewards ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
instead of using words like "substantially", why d...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* If people at the top of the class ...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
I think he might think that 10k IS "shattering."
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Keep rationalizing for your NYC hasbeen paying as much as fi...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Answer the question! Are you saying that 10 - 15k increase ...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
A normal 3rd or 4th year at KIRKLAND & ELLIS is getting ...
spruce state
  12/18/06
OK. Do you know what that number is? You just said below t...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
There isn't a "superstar bonus" and you don't seem...
spruce state
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* There is a superstar bonus and you...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
As you said earlier it is two-dimensional. There isn't "...
spruce state
  12/18/06
So someone who bills 2400 hours may not be considered a supe...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Correct. Your evaluation at KIRKLAND & ELLIS is based on...
spruce state
  12/19/06
OK... sounds like someone drank the kool-aid...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
You really have a problem with the meritocracy part of KIRKL...
spruce state
  12/19/06
I understand that work quality is important. But any sugges...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS you get a written evaluation from th...
spruce state
  12/19/06
Do you really think there are 1800 hour-billing superstars? ...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
There are superstars billing 2100 because they're the brilli...
spruce state
  12/19/06
You think there are so many of these people that you can't m...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
They get figured out to be brilliant in their first and seco...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/19/06
The brilliant ones who also know how to play the system effe...
spruce state
  12/19/06
You think this is a common thing?
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
So you can't tell me what someone who bills 2100 hours gets?...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Most firms with discretionary bonuses will say that quality ...
Mustard bonkers shitlib
  12/18/06
There would still be a ballpark number. Someone with inside...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Only an equity partner at KIRKLAND & ELLIS knows the exa...
spruce state
  12/18/06
I don't need exact numbers - i am not auditing the firm. Ro...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I am saying that I don't have enough information to make the...
spruce state
  12/19/06
so the information isn't good enough to make a chart, but it...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
I said that the Greedy post has some data points that are co...
spruce state
  12/19/06
So a 2k premium over NY market for first years might be the ...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
For one, the low numbers are totally wrong because of the la...
spruce state
  12/19/06
OK, thanks. Do you have any numbers for 3rd and 4th years w...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
I know more of the junior people so my data at that point is...
spruce state
  12/19/06
OK. Thanks. Sorry for making you draw it out, I just didn't...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
The grids are not released at KIRKLAND & ELLIS. The only...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Great - i think you are basically saying you don't know. Bu...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* I said that I have some data point...
spruce state
  12/19/06
Like I said, above, I am not auditing the firm so I don't ne...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
If someone is above the class they would get the same bonus ...
spruce state
  12/19/06
i don't see what this has to do with my post, but ok. This ...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
Yes, essentially "above the class" lets you skip o...
spruce state
  12/19/06
ok, this is getting complicated. I wonder if the 2400 hour ...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
You don't seem to understand that you aren't "top of th...
spruce state
  12/19/06
I do understand your argument. We fundamentally disagree on...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS billing a lot of hours is generally ...
spruce state
  12/19/06
...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
I never claimed to have worked at K&E, and the reality t...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* It is not a linear formula. You ca...
spruce state
  12/18/06
how do you define "shatter" and "substantiall...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Look at KIRKLAND & ELLIS's chart from last year which ha...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Ok, so you have no idea and just like saying "shatterin...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
Last year the average 1st year at KIRKLAND & ELLIS got 8...
spruce state
  12/18/06
by average, do you mean the median, or the average number, w...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I posted this worldwide exclusive breaking news thread on KI...
spruce state
  12/18/06
Like I said above, make a chart with what people get who bil...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Now you are claiming your NYC hasb...
spruce state
  12/18/06
No, I am saying I have no clue. 2k is not enough money to m...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I've answered that above about how the process works.
spruce state
  12/18/06
Are you claiming that bonuses are not tied enough to hours t...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
I am claiming that I don't have enough information. It diffe...
spruce state
  12/19/06
so the process is so complicated you can't even make a ballp...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Until this year, associates at KIR...
vivacious patrolman stead
  12/18/06
i dont consider KirklandTroll an "opponent"
obsidian principal's office
  12/18/06
I don't either. I'm actually just trying to figure this out...
nighttime point knife
  12/18/06
I heard kirkland paid each associate 25% of the firm's total...
Diverse gaming laptop set
  12/18/06
KIRKLAND & ELLIS has no chin. Under its beard is another...
Diverse gaming laptop set
  12/18/06
Kirkland's tears can cure cancer. Too bad it has never cried...
Diverse gaming laptop set
  12/18/06
When Kirkland & Ellis has sex with a man, it is not beca...
Diverse gaming laptop set
  12/18/06
Is this real? Can someone link to specific #s yet?
Sinister well-lubricated yarmulke
  12/19/06
There will never be specific numbers that are official. KIRK...
spruce state
  12/19/06
so claiming that the bonuses for normal associates "sha...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
This thread is the embodiment of why most lawyers are unhapp...
onyx genital piercing abode
  12/19/06
Oh whatever. This thread was all about shtick. Bankers and...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
Sure it was. And comparing lawyers' 'happiness level' to...
onyx genital piercing abode
  12/19/06
So you don't think doctors, bank tellers, truck drivers, and...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
?
Snowy partner
  12/19/06
This thread seems to have SHATTERED KirklandTroll, which I h...
idiotic brethren
  12/19/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Read the entire thread and you wil...
spruce state
  12/19/06
Troll, what is the thing about not getting the bonus until J...
misunderstood affirmative action property
  12/19/06
*MISINFORMATION ALERT* Market shattering KIRKLAND & E...
spruce state
  12/19/06
you have an odd definition of "market shattering."...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06
At KIRKLAND & ELLIS the run of the mill associate who is...
spruce state
  12/19/06
First of all, you are speculating. even if those numbers ar...
nighttime point knife
  12/19/06


Poast new message in this thread





Date: December 18th, 2006 7:21 PM
Author: spruce state

Details to follow. Bonuses reached 120K.

EDIT:

Due to the confusion and misinformation spreading around I thought I would explain the KIRKLAND & ELLIS bonus system:

1) The firm uses a two-dimensional grid to determine bonuses. The rows of the grid are billable hours ranges (in increments of sometimes 50 but no more than 100 hours). The columns of the grid are class years.

2) The firm benchmarks the grid to the New York market by setting 1800-1900 as what is needed to get the New York market salary (35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60). Therefore an associate gets at least the NY market by billing 1800-1900.

3) The firm does not release the grid and only equity partners know all the data points on the grid. At a meeting the firm will reveal generalized information about the grid like the high's and low's for each class and perhaps the number of people in each class X who get in the 130,000's, 120,000's, etc.

4) Associates are told their individual numbers in private. Nobody except the equity partners know the full.

5) Posts like http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?topic=Greedy%20NY&msg_id=0035YR are attempts by people to get various data points from their colleagues and piece the grid together. They are accurate in some respects but are too high in certain instances and too low in other instances.

6) The low sub-market numbers you are seeing are for laterals who were not with the firm for the entire year.

7) The way the meritocracy works is to allow an associate to be "bumped up" 1 or 2 class years on the grid if he/she receives an "above the class" or a "top of the class" rating, respectively. (An example of how the meritocracy works: a 3rd year who is above the class and bills 2200 hours will get the same bonus as a 4th year who is with the class who bills 2200 hours.) Essentially all of the junior associates are rated with the class. Associates begin to break out above the class in the mid-level years.

8) It seems this year that an average billing junior associate (the firm's average is about 2050) gets about $10-15K over market and an average billing mid-to-senior associate gets at least $20-30K over market. As I explained in 5, the precise accuracy of numbers is hard to verify as it is based on a collection of data points and not the full grid.

9) Of course, you can shatter the NY market and make a ton of money on the grid by being either a high biller or being rated above the class.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=549037&forum_id=2#7256881

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7252761)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:17 PM
Author: cruel-hearted cheese-eating background story

THE TRAGICAL HISTORY OF DOCTOR FAUSTUS

BY CHRISTOPHER MARLOWE

FROM THE QUARTO OF 1604.

EDITED BY THE REV. ALEXANDER DYCE.

THE TRAGICALL HISTORY OF D. FAUSTUS. AS IT HATH BENE ACTED

BY THE RIGHT HONORABLE THE EARLE OF NOTTINGHAM HIS SERUANTS.

WRITTEN BY CH. MARL.

In reprinting this edition, I have here and there amended the text

by means of the later 4tos,--1616, 1624, 1631.--Of 4to 1663, which

contains various comparatively modern alterations and additions,

I have made no use.

DRAMATIS PERSONAE.

THE POPE.

CARDINAL OF LORRAIN.

THE EMPEROR OF GERMANY.

DUKE OF VANHOLT.

FAUSTUS.

VALDES, ] friends to FAUSTUS.

CORNELIUS, ]

WAGNER, servant to FAUSTUS.

Clown.

ROBIN.

RALPH.

Vintner.

Horse-courser.

A Knight.

An Old Man.

Scholars, Friars, and Attendants.

DUCHESS OF VANHOLT

LUCIFER.

BELZEBUB.

MEPHISTOPHILIS.

Good Angel.

Evil Angel.

The Seven Deadly Sins.

Devils.

Spirits in the shapes of ALEXANDER THE GREAT, of his Paramour

and of HELEN.

Chorus.

THE TRAGICAL HISTORY OF DOCTOR FAUSTUS

FROM THE QUARTO OF 1604.

Enter CHORUS.

CHORUS. Not marching now in fields of Thrasymene,

Where Mars did mate the Carthaginians;

Nor sporting in the dalliance of love,

In courts of kings where state is overturn'd;

Nor in the pomp of proud audacious deeds,

Intends our Muse to vaunt her heavenly verse:

Only this, gentlemen,--we must perform

The form of Faustus' fortunes, good or bad:

To patient judgments we appeal our plaud,

And speak for Faustus in his infancy.

Now is he born, his parents base of stock,

In Germany, within a town call'd Rhodes:

Of riper years, to Wertenberg he went,

Whereas his kinsmen chiefly brought him up.

So soon he profits in divinity,

The fruitful plot of scholarism grac'd,

That shortly he was grac'd with doctor's name,

Excelling all whose sweet delight disputes

In heavenly matters of theology;

Till swoln with cunning, of a self-conceit,

His waxen wings did mount above his reach,

And, melting, heavens conspir'd his overthrow;

For, falling to a devilish exercise,

And glutted now with learning's golden gifts,

He surfeits upon cursed necromancy;

Nothing so sweet as magic is to him,

Which he prefers before his chiefest bliss:

And this the man that in his study sits.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS discovered in his study.

FAUSTUS. Settle thy studies, Faustus, and begin

To sound the depth of that thou wilt profess:

Having commenc'd, be a divine in shew,

Yet level at the end of every art,

And live and die in Aristotle's works.

Sweet Analytics, 'tis thou hast ravish'd me!

Bene disserere est finis logices.

Is, to dispute well, logic's chiefest end?

Affords this art no greater miracle?

Then read no more; thou hast attain'd that end:

A greater subject fitteth Faustus' wit:

Bid Economy farewell, and Galen come,

Seeing, Ubi desinit philosophus, ibi incipit medicus:

Be a physician, Faustus; heap up gold,

And be eterniz'd for some wondrous cure:

Summum bonum medicinae sanitas,

The end of physic is our body's health.

Why, Faustus, hast thou not attain'd that end?

Is not thy common talk found aphorisms?

Are not thy bills hung up as monuments,

Whereby whole cities have escap'd the plague,

And thousand desperate maladies been eas'd?

Yet art thou still but Faustus, and a man.

Couldst thou make men to live eternally,

Or, being dead, raise them to life again,

Then this profession were to be esteem'd.

Physic, farewell! Where is Justinian?

[Reads.]

Si una eademque res legatur duobus, alter rem,

alter valorem rei, &c.

A pretty case of paltry legacies!

[Reads.]

Exhoereditare filium non potest pater, nisi, &c.

Such is the subject of the institute,

And universal body of the law:

This study fits a mercenary drudge,

Who aims at nothing but external trash;

Too servile and illiberal for me.

When all is done, divinity is best:

Jerome's Bible, Faustus; view it well.

[Reads.]

Stipendium peccati mors est.

Ha!

Stipendium, &c.

The reward of sin is death: that's hard.

[Reads.]

Si peccasse negamus, fallimur, et nulla est in nobis veritas;

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and

there's no truth in us. Why, then, belike we must sin, and so

consequently die:

Ay, we must die an everlasting death.

What doctrine call you this, Che sera, sera,

What will be, shall be? Divinity, adieu!

These metaphysics of magicians,

And necromantic books are heavenly;

Lines, circles, scenes, letters, and characters;

Ay, these are those that Faustus most desires.

O, what a world of profit and delight,

Of power, of honour, of omnipotence,

Is promis'd to the studious artizan!

All things that move between the quiet poles

Shall be at my command: emperors and kings

Are but obeyed in their several provinces,

Nor can they raise the wind, or rend the clouds;

But his dominion that exceeds in this,

Stretcheth as far as doth the mind of man;

A sound magician is a mighty god:

Here, Faustus, tire thy brains to gain a deity.

Enter WAGNER.

Wagner, commend me to my dearest friends,

The German Valdes and Cornelius;

Request them earnestly to visit me.

WAGNER. I will, sir.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. Their conference will be a greater help to me

Than all my labours, plod I ne'er so fast.

Enter GOOD ANGEL and EVIL ANGEL.

GOOD ANGEL. O, Faustus, lay that damned book aside,

And gaze not on it, lest it tempt thy soul,

And heap God's heavy wrath upon thy head!

Read, read the Scriptures:--that is blasphemy.

EVIL ANGEL. Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art

Wherein all Nature's treasure is contain'd:

Be thou on earth as Jove is in the sky,

Lord and commander of these elements.

[Exeunt Angels.]

FAUSTUS. How am I glutted with conceit of this!

Shall I make spirits fetch me what I please,

Resolve me of all ambiguities,

Perform what desperate enterprise I will?

I'll have them fly to India for gold,

Ransack the ocean for orient pearl,

And search all corners of the new-found world

For pleasant fruits and princely delicates;

I'll have them read me strange philosophy,

And tell the secrets of all foreign kings;

I'll have them wall all Germany with brass,

And make swift Rhine circle fair Wertenberg;

I'll have them fill the public schools with silk,

Wherewith the students shall be bravely clad;

I'll levy soldiers with the coin they bring,

And chase the Prince of Parma from our land,

And reign sole king of all the provinces;

Yea, stranger engines for the brunt of war,

Than was the fiery keel at Antwerp's bridge,

I'll make my servile spirits to invent.

Enter VALDES and CORNELIUS.

Come, German Valdes, and Cornelius,

And make me blest with your sage conference.

Valdes, sweet Valdes, and Cornelius,

Know that your words have won me at the last

To practice magic and concealed arts:

Yet not your words only, but mine own fantasy,

That will receive no object; for my head

But ruminates on necromantic skill.

Philosophy is odious and obscure;

Both law and physic are for petty wits;

Divinity is basest of the three,

Unpleasant, harsh, contemptible, and vile:

'Tis magic, magic, that hath ravish'd me.

Then, gentle friends, aid me in this attempt;

And I, that have with concise syllogisms

Gravell'd the pastors of the German church,

And made the flowering pride of Wertenberg

Swarm to my problems, as the infernal spirits

On sweet Musaeus when he came to hell,

Will be as cunning as Agrippa was,

Whose shadow made all Europe honour him.

VALDES. Faustus, these books, thy wit, and our experience,

Shall make all nations to canonize us.

As Indian Moors obey their Spanish lords,

So shall the spirits of every element

Be always serviceable to us three;

Like lions shall they guard us when we please;

Like Almain rutters with their horsemen's staves,

Or Lapland giants, trotting by our sides;

Sometimes like women, or unwedded maids,

Shadowing more beauty in their airy brows

Than have the white breasts of the queen of love:

From Venice shall they drag huge argosies,

And from America the golden fleece

That yearly stuffs old Philip's treasury;

If learned Faustus will be resolute.

FAUSTUS. Valdes, as resolute am I in this

As thou to live: therefore object it not.

CORNELIUS. The miracles that magic will perform

Will make thee vow to study nothing else.

He that is grounded in astrology,

Enrich'd with tongues, well seen in minerals,

Hath all the principles magic doth require:

Then doubt not, Faustus, but to be renowm'd,

And more frequented for this mystery

Than heretofore the Delphian oracle.

The spirits tell me they can dry the sea,

And fetch the treasure of all foreign wrecks,

Ay, all the wealth that our forefathers hid

Within the massy entrails of the earth:

Then tell me, Faustus, what shall we three want?

FAUSTUS. Nothing, Cornelius. O, this cheers my soul!

Come, shew me some demonstrations magical,

That I may conjure in some lusty grove,

And have these joys in full possession.

VALDES. Then haste thee to some solitary grove,

And bear wise Bacon's and Albertus' works,

The Hebrew Psalter, and New Testament;

And whatsoever else is requisite

We will inform thee ere our conference cease.

CORNELIUS. Valdes, first let him know the words of art;

And then, all other ceremonies learn'd,

Faustus may try his cunning by himself.

VALDES. First I'll instruct thee in the rudiments,

And then wilt thou be perfecter than I.

FAUSTUS. Then come and dine with me, and, after meat,

We'll canvass every quiddity thereof;

For, ere I sleep, I'll try what I can do:

This night I'll conjure, though I die therefore.

[Exeunt.]

Enter two SCHOLARS.

FIRST SCHOLAR. I wonder what's become of Faustus, that was wont

to make our schools ring with sic probo.

SECOND SCHOLAR. That shall we know, for see, here comes his boy.

Enter WAGNER.

FIRST SCHOLAR. How now, sirrah! where's thy master?

WAGNER. God in heaven knows.

SECOND SCHOLAR. Why, dost not thou know?

WAGNER. Yes, I know; but that follows not.

FIRST SCHOLAR. Go to, sirrah! leave your jesting, and tell us

where he is.

WAGNER. That follows not necessary by force of argument, that you,

being licentiates, should stand upon: therefore acknowledge

your error, and be attentive.

SECOND SCHOLAR. Why, didst thou not say thou knewest?

WAGNER. Have you any witness on't?

FIRST SCHOLAR. Yes, sirrah, I heard you.

WAGNER. Ask my fellow if I be a thief.

SECOND SCHOLAR. Well, you will not tell us?

WAGNER. Yes, sir, I will tell you: yet, if you were not dunces,

you would never ask me such a question; for is not he corpus

naturale? and is not that mobile? then wherefore should you

ask me such a question? But that I am by nature phlegmatic,

slow to wrath, and prone to lechery (to love, I would say),

it were not for you to come within forty foot of the place

of execution, although I do not doubt to see you both hanged

the next sessions. Thus having triumphed over you, I will set

my countenance like a precisian, and begin to speak thus:--

Truly, my dear brethren, my master is within at dinner,

with Valdes and Cornelius, as this wine, if it could speak,

would inform your worships: and so, the Lord bless you,

preserve you, and keep you, my dear brethren, my dear brethren!

[Exit.]

FIRST SCHOLAR. Nay, then, I fear he is fallen into that damned art

for which they two are infamous through the world.

SECOND SCHOLAR. Were he a stranger, and not allied to me, yet should

I grieve for him. But, come, let us go and inform the Rector,

and see if he by his grave counsel can reclaim him.

FIRST SCHOLAR. O, but I fear me nothing can reclaim him!

SECOND SCHOLAR. Yet let us try what we can do.

[Exeunt.]

Enter FAUSTUS to conjure.

FAUSTUS. Now that the gloomy shadow of the earth,

Longing to view Orion's drizzling look,

Leaps from th' antartic world unto the sky,

And dims the welkin with her pitchy breath,

Faustus, begin thine incantations,

And try if devils will obey thy hest,

Seeing thou hast pray'd and sacrific'd to them.

Within this circle is Jehovah's name,

Forward and backward anagrammatiz'd,

Th' abbreviated names of holy saints,

Figures of every adjunct to the heavens,

And characters of signs and erring stars,

By which the spirits are enforc'd to rise:

Then fear not, Faustus, but be resolute,

And try the uttermost magic can perform.--

Sint mihi dei Acherontis propitii! Valeat numen triplex Jehovoe!

Ignei, aerii, aquatani spiritus, salvete! Orientis princeps

Belzebub, inferni ardentis monarcha, et Demogorgon, propitiamus

vos, ut appareat et surgat Mephistophilis, quod tumeraris:

per Jehovam, Gehennam, et consecratam aquam quam nunc spargo,

signumque crucis quod nunc facio, et per vota nostra, ipse nunc

surgat nobis dicatus Mephistophilis!

Enter MEPHISTOPHILIS.

I charge thee to return, and change thy shape;

Thou art too ugly to attend on me:

Go, and return an old Franciscan friar;

That holy shape becomes a devil best.

[Exit MEPHISTOPHILIS.]

I see there's virtue in my heavenly words:

Who would not be proficient in this art?

How pliant is this Mephistophilis,

Full of obedience and humility!

Such is the force of magic and my spells:

No, Faustus, thou art conjuror laureat,

That canst command great Mephistophilis:

Quin regis Mephistophilis fratris imagine.

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS like a Franciscan friar.

MEPHIST. Now, Faustus, what wouldst thou have me do?

FAUSTUS. I charge thee wait upon me whilst I live,

To do whatever Faustus shall command,

Be it to make the moon drop from her sphere,

Or the ocean to overwhelm the world.

MEPHIST. I am a servant to great Lucifer,

And may not follow thee without his leave:

No more than he commands must we perform.

FAUSTUS. Did not he charge thee to appear to me?

MEPHIST. No, I came hither of mine own accord.

FAUSTUS. Did not my conjuring speeches raise thee? speak.

MEPHIST. That was the cause, but yet per accidens;

For, when we hear one rack the name of God,

Abjure the Scriptures and his Saviour Christ,

We fly, in hope to get his glorious soul;

Nor will we come, unless he use such means

Whereby he is in danger to be damn'd.

Therefore the shortest cut for conjuring

Is stoutly to abjure the Trinity,

And pray devoutly to the prince of hell.

FAUSTUS. So Faustus hath

Already done; and holds this principle,

There is no chief but only Belzebub;

To whom Faustus doth dedicate himself.

This word "damnation" terrifies not him,

For he confounds hell in Elysium:

His ghost be with the old philosophers!

But, leaving these vain trifles of men's souls,

Tell me what is that Lucifer thy lord?

MEPHIST. Arch-regent and commander of all spirits.

FAUSTUS. Was not that Lucifer an angel once?

MEPHIST. Yes, Faustus, and most dearly lov'd of God.

FAUSTUS. How comes it, then, that he is prince of devils?

MEPHIST. O, by aspiring pride and insolence;

For which God threw him from the face of heaven.

FAUSTUS. And what are you that live with Lucifer?

MEPHIST. Unhappy spirits that fell with Lucifer,

Conspir'd against our God with Lucifer,

And are for ever damn'd with Lucifer.

FAUSTUS. Where are you damn'd?

MEPHIST. In hell.

FAUSTUS. How comes it, then, that thou art out of hell?

MEPHIST. Why, this is hell, nor am I out of it:

Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God,

And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,

Am not tormented with ten thousand hells,

In being depriv'd of everlasting bliss?

O, Faustus, leave these frivolous demands,

Which strike a terror to my fainting soul!

FAUSTUS. What, is great Mephistophilis so passionate

For being deprived of the joys of heaven?

Learn thou of Faustus manly fortitude,

And scorn those joys thou never shalt possess.

Go bear these tidings to great Lucifer:

Seeing Faustus hath incurr'd eternal death

By desperate thoughts against Jove's deity,

Say, he surrenders up to him his soul,

So he will spare him four and twenty years,

Letting him live in all voluptuousness;

Having thee ever to attend on me,

To give me whatsoever I shall ask,

To tell me whatsoever I demand,

To slay mine enemies, and aid my friends,

And always be obedient to my will.

Go and return to mighty Lucifer,

And meet me in my study at midnight,

And then resolve me of thy master's mind.

MEPHIST. I will, Faustus.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. Had I as many souls as there be stars,

I'd give them all for Mephistophilis.

By him I'll be great emperor of the world,

And make a bridge thorough the moving air,

To pass the ocean with a band of men;

I'll join the hills that bind the Afric shore,

And make that country continent to Spain,

And both contributory to my crown:

The Emperor shall not live but by my leave,

Nor any potentate of Germany.

Now that I have obtain'd what I desir'd,

I'll live in speculation of this art,

Till Mephistophilis return again.

[Exit.]

Enter WAGNER and CLOWN.

WAGNER. Sirrah boy, come hither.

CLOWN. How, boy! swowns, boy! I hope you have seen many boys

with such pickadevaunts as I have: boy, quotha!

WAGNER. Tell me, sirrah, hast thou any comings in?

CLOWN. Ay, and goings out too; you may see else.

WAGNER. Alas, poor slave! see how poverty jesteth in his nakedness!

the villain is bare and out of service, and so hungry, that I know

he would give his soul to the devil for a shoulder of mutton,

though it were blood-raw.

CLOWN. How! my soul to the devil for a shoulder of mutton, though

'twere blood-raw! not so, good friend: by'r lady, I had need

have it well roasted, and good sauce to it, if I pay so dear.

WAGNER. Well, wilt thou serve me, and I'll make thee go like

Qui mihi discipulus?

CLOWN. How, in verse?

WAGNER. No, sirrah; in beaten silk and staves-acre.

CLOWN. How, how, knaves-acre! ay, I thought that was all the land

his father left him. Do you hear? I would be sorry to rob you of

your living.

WAGNER. Sirrah, I say in staves-acre.

CLOWN. Oho, oho, staves-acre! why, then, belike, if I were your

man, I should be full of vermin.

WAGNER. So thou shalt, whether thou beest with me or no. But,

sirrah, leave your jesting, and bind yourself presently unto me

for seven years, or I'll turn all the lice about thee into

familiars, and they shall tear thee in pieces.

CLOWN. Do you hear, sir? you may save that labour; they are too

familiar with me already: swowns, they are as bold with my flesh

as if they had paid for their meat and drink.

WAGNER. Well, do you hear, sirrah? hold, take these guilders.

[Gives money.]

CLOWN. Gridirons! what be they?

WAGNER. Why, French crowns.

CLOWN. Mass, but for the name of French crowns, a man were as good

have as many English counters. And what should I do with these?

WAGNER. Why, now, sirrah, thou art at an hour's warning, whensoever

or wheresoever the devil shall fetch thee.

CLOWN. No, no; here, take your gridirons again.

WAGNER. Truly, I'll none of them.

CLOWN. Truly, but you shall.

WAGNER. Bear witness I gave them him.

CLOWN. Bear witness I give them you again.

WAGNER. Well, I will cause two devils presently to fetch thee

away.--Baliol and Belcher!

CLOWN. Let your Baliol and your Belcher come here, and I'll

knock them, they were never so knocked since they were devils:

say I should kill one of them, what would folks say? "Do ye see

yonder tall fellow in the round slop? he has killed the devil."

So I should be called Kill-devil all the parish over.

Enter two DEVILS; and the CLOWN runs up and down crying.

WAGNER. Baliol and Belcher,--spirits, away!

[Exeunt DEVILS.]

CLOWN. What, are they gone? a vengeance on them! they have vile

long nails. There was a he-devil and a she-devil: I'll tell you

how you shall know them; all he-devils has horns, and all

she-devils has clifts and cloven feet.

WAGNER. Well, sirrah, follow me.

CLOWN. But, do you hear? if I should serve you, would you teach

me to raise up Banios and Belcheos?

WAGNER. I will teach thee to turn thyself to any thing, to a dog,

or a cat, or a mouse, or a rat, or any thing.

CLOWN. How! a Christian fellow to a dog, or a cat, a mouse,

or a rat! no, no, sir; if you turn me into any thing, let it be

in the likeness of a little pretty frisking flea, that I may be

here and there and every where: O, I'll tickle the pretty wenches'

plackets! I'll be amongst them, i'faith.

WAGNER. Well, sirrah, come.

CLOWN. But, do you hear, Wagner?

WAGNER. How!--Baliol and Belcher!

CLOWN. O Lord! I pray, sir, let Banio and Belcher go sleep.

WAGNER. Villain, call me Master Wagner, and let thy left eye be

diametarily fixed upon my right heel, with quasi vestigiis

nostris insistere.

[Exit.]

CLOWN. God forgive me, he speaks Dutch fustian. Well, I'll follow

him; I'll serve him, that's flat.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS discovered in his study.

FAUSTUS. Now, Faustus, must

Thou needs be damn'd, and canst thou not be sav'd:

What boots it, then, to think of God or heaven?

Away with such vain fancies, and despair;

Despair in God, and trust in Belzebub:

Now go not backward; no, Faustus, be resolute:

Why waver'st thou? O, something soundeth in mine ears,

"Abjure this magic, turn to God again!"

Ay, and Faustus will turn to God again.

To God? he loves thee not;

The god thou serv'st is thine own appetite,

Wherein is fix'd the love of Belzebub:

To him I'll build an altar and a church,

And offer lukewarm blood of new-born babes.

Enter GOOD ANGEL and EVIL ANGEL.

GOOD ANGEL. Sweet Faustus, leave that execrable art.

FAUSTUS. Contrition, prayer, repentance--what of them?

GOOD ANGEL. O, they are means to bring thee unto heaven!

EVIL ANGEL. Rather illusions, fruits of lunacy,

That make men foolish that do trust them most.

GOOD ANGEL. Sweet Faustus, think of heaven and heavenly things.

EVIL ANGEL. No, Faustus; think of honour and of wealth.

[Exeunt ANGELS.]

FAUSTUS. Of wealth!

Why, the signiory of Embden shall be mine.

When Mephistophilis shall stand by me,

What god can hurt thee, Faustus? thou art safe

Cast no more doubts.--Come, Mephistophilis,

And bring glad tidings from great Lucifer;--

Is't not midnight?--come, Mephistophilis,

Veni, veni, Mephistophile!

Enter MEPHISTOPHILIS.

Now tell me what says Lucifer, thy lord?

MEPHIST. That I shall wait on Faustus whilst he lives,

So he will buy my service with his soul.

FAUSTUS. Already Faustus hath hazarded that for thee.

MEPHIST. But, Faustus, thou must bequeath it solemnly,

And write a deed of gift with thine own blood;

For that security craves great Lucifer.

If thou deny it, I will back to hell.

FAUSTUS. Stay, Mephistophilis, and tell me, what good will my soul

do thy lord?

MEPHIST. Enlarge his kingdom.

FAUSTUS. Is that the reason why he tempts us thus?

MEPHIST. Solamen miseris socios habuisse doloris.

FAUSTUS. Why, have you any pain that torture others!

MEPHIST. As great as have the human souls of men.

But, tell me, Faustus, shall I have thy soul?

And I will be thy slave, and wait on thee,

And give thee more than thou hast wit to ask.

FAUSTUS. Ay, Mephistophilis, I give it thee.

MEPHIST. Then, Faustus, stab thine arm courageously,

And bind thy soul, that at some certain day

Great Lucifer may claim it as his own;

And then be thou as great as Lucifer.

FAUSTUS. [Stabbing his arm] Lo, Mephistophilis, for love of thee,

I cut mine arm, and with my proper blood

Assure my soul to be great Lucifer's,

Chief lord and regent of perpetual night!

View here the blood that trickles from mine arm,

And let it be propitious for my wish.

MEPHIST. But, Faustus, thou must

Write it in manner of a deed of gift.

FAUSTUS. Ay, so I will [Writes]. But, Mephistophilis,

My blood congeals, and I can write no more.

MEPHIST. I'll fetch thee fire to dissolve it straight.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. What might the staying of my blood portend?

Is it unwilling I should write this bill?

Why streams it not, that I may write afresh?

FAUSTUS GIVES TO THEE HIS SOUL: ah, there it stay'd!

Why shouldst thou not? is not thy soul shine own?

Then write again, FAUSTUS GIVES TO THEE HIS SOUL.

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS with a chafer of coals.

MEPHIST. Here's fire; come, Faustus, set it on.

FAUSTUS. So, now the blood begins to clear again;

Now will I make an end immediately.

[Writes.]

MEPHIST. O, what will not I do to obtain his soul?

[Aside.]

FAUSTUS. Consummatum est; this bill is ended,

And Faustus hath bequeath'd his soul to Lucifer.

But what is this inscription on mine arm?

Homo, fuge: whither should I fly?

If unto God, he'll throw me down to hell.

My senses are deceiv'd; here's nothing writ:--

I see it plain; here in this place is writ,

Homo, fuge: yet shall not Faustus fly.

MEPHIST. I'll fetch him somewhat to delight his mind.

[Aside, and then exit.]

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS with DEVILS, who give crowns

and rich apparel to FAUSTUS, dance, and then depart.

FAUSTUS. Speak, Mephistophilis, what means this show?

MEPHIST. Nothing, Faustus, but to delight thy mind withal,

And to shew thee what magic can perform.

FAUSTUS. But may I raise up spirits when I please?

MEPHIST. Ay, Faustus, and do greater things than these.

FAUSTUS. Then there's enough for a thousand souls.

Here, Mephistophilis, receive this scroll,

A deed of gift of body and of soul:

But yet conditionally that thou perform

All articles prescrib'd between us both.

MEPHIST. Faustus, I swear by hell and Lucifer

To effect all promises between us made!

FAUSTUS. Then hear me read them. [Reads] ON THESE CONDITIONS

FOLLOWING. FIRST, THAT FAUSTUS MAY BE A SPIRIT IN FORM AND

SUBSTANCE. SECONDLY, THAT MEPHISTOPHILIS SHALL BE HIS SERVANT,

AND AT HIS COMMAND. THIRDLY, THAT MEPHISTOPHILIS SHALL DO FOR HIM,

AND BRING HIM WHATSOEVER HE DESIRES. FOURTHLY, THAT HE SHALL

BE IN HIS CHAMBER OR HOUSE INVISIBLE. LASTLY, THAT HE SHALL APPEAR

TO THE SAID JOHN FAUSTUS, AT ALL TIMES, IN WHAT FORM OR SHAPE

SOEVER HE PLEASE. I, JOHN FAUSTUS, OF WERTENBERG, DOCTOR, BY

THESE PRESENTS, DO GIVE BOTH BODY AND SOUL TO LUCIFER PRINCE OF

THE EAST, AND HIS MINISTER MEPHISTOPHILIS; AND FURTHERMORE GRANT

UNTO THEM, THAT, TWENTY-FOUR YEARS BEING EXPIRED, THE ARTICLES

ABOVE-WRITTEN INVIOLATE, FULL POWER TO FETCH OR CARRY THE SAID

JOHN FAUSTUS, BODY AND SOUL, FLESH, BLOOD, OR GOODS, INTO THEIR

HABITATION WHERESOEVER. BY ME, JOHN FAUSTUS.

MEPHIST. Speak, Faustus, do you deliver this as your deed?

FAUSTUS. Ay, take it, and the devil give thee good on't!

MEPHIST. Now, Faustus, ask what thou wilt.

FAUSTUS. First will I question with thee about hell.

Tell me, where is the place that men call hell?

MEPHIST. Under the heavens.

FAUSTUS. Ay, but whereabout?

MEPHIST. Within the bowels of these elements,

Where we are tortur'd and remain for ever:

Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscrib'd

In one self place; for where we are is hell,

And where hell is, there must we ever be:

And, to conclude, when all the world dissolves,

And every creature shall be purified,

All places shall be hell that are not heaven.

FAUSTUS. Come, I think hell's a fable.

MEPHIST. Ay, think so still, till experience change thy mind.

FAUSTUS. Why, think'st thou, then, that Faustus shall be damn'd?

MEPHIST. Ay, of necessity, for here's the scroll

Wherein thou hast given thy soul to Lucifer.

FAUSTUS. Ay, and body too: but what of that?

Think'st thou that Faustus is so fond to imagine

That, after this life, there is any pain?

Tush, these are trifles and mere old wives' tales.

MEPHIST. But, Faustus, I am an instance to prove the contrary,

For I am damn'd, and am now in hell.

FAUSTUS. How! now in hell!

Nay, an this be hell, I'll willingly be damn'd here:

What! walking, disputing, &c.

But, leaving off this, let me have a wife,

The fairest maid in Germany;

For I am wanton and lascivious,

And cannot live without a wife.

MEPHIST. How! a wife!

I prithee, Faustus, talk not of a wife.

FAUSTUS. Nay, sweet Mephistophilis, fetch me one, for I will have

one.

MEPHIST. Well, thou wilt have one? Sit there till I come: I'll

fetch thee a wife in the devil's name.

[Exit.]

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS with a DEVIL drest like a WOMAN,

with fire-works.

MEPHIST. Tell me, Faustus, how dost thou like thy wife?

FAUSTUS. A plague on her for a hot whore!

MEPHIST. Tut, Faustus,

Marriage is but a ceremonial toy;

If thou lovest me, think no more of it.

I'll cull thee out the fairest courtezans,

And bring them every morning to thy bed:

She whom thine eye shall like, thy heart shall have,

Be she as chaste as was Penelope,

As wise as Saba, or as beautiful

As was bright Lucifer before his fall.

Hold, take this book, peruse it thoroughly:

[Gives book.]

The iterating of these lines brings gold;

The framing of this circle on the ground

Brings whirlwinds, tempests, thunder, and lightning;

Pronounce this thrice devoutly to thyself,

And men in armour shall appear to thee,

Ready to execute what thou desir'st.

FAUSTUS. Thanks, Mephistophilis: yet fain would I have a book

wherein I might behold all spells and incantations, that I

might raise up spirits when I please.

MEPHIST. Here they are in this book.

[Turns to them.]

FAUSTUS. Now would I have a book where I might see all characters

and planets of the heavens, that I might know their motions and

dispositions.

MEPHIST. Here they are too.

[Turns to them.]

FAUSTUS. Nay, let me have one book more,--and then I have done,--

wherein I might see all plants, herbs, and trees, that grow upon

the earth.

MEPHIST. Here they be.

FAUSTUS. O, thou art deceived.

MEPHIST. Tut, I warrant thee.

[Turns to them.]

FAUSTUS. When I behold the heavens, then I repent,

And curse thee, wicked Mephistophilis,

Because thou hast depriv'd me of those joys.

MEPHIST. Why, Faustus,

Thinkest thou heaven is such a glorious thing?

I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou,

Or any man that breathes on earth.

FAUSTUS. How prov'st thou that?

MEPHIST. 'Twas made for man, therefore is man more excellent.

FAUSTUS. If it were made for man, 'twas made for me:

I will renounce this magic and repent.

Enter GOOD ANGEL and EVIL ANGEL.

GOOD ANGEL. Faustus, repent; yet God will pity thee.

EVIL ANGEL. Thou art a spirit; God cannot pity thee.

FAUSTUS. Who buzzeth in mine ears I am a spirit?

Be I a devil, yet God may pity me;

Ay, God will pity me, if I repent.

EVIL ANGEL. Ay, but Faustus never shall repent.

[Exeunt ANGELS.]

FAUSTUS. My heart's so harden'd, I cannot repent:

Scarce can I name salvation, faith, or heaven,

But fearful echoes thunder in mine ears,

"Faustus, thou art damn'd!" then swords, and knives,

Poison, guns, halters, and envenom'd steel

Are laid before me to despatch myself;

And long ere this I should have slain myself,

Had not sweet pleasure conquer'd deep despair.

Have not I made blind Homer sing to me

Of Alexander's love and Oenon's death?

And hath not he, that built the walls of Thebes

With ravishing sound of his melodious harp,

Made music with my Mephistophilis?

Why should I die, then, or basely despair?

I am resolv'd; Faustus shall ne'er repent.--

Come, Mephistophilis, let us dispute again,

And argue of divine astrology.

Tell me, are there many heavens above the moon

Are all celestial bodies but one globe,

As is the substance of this centric earth?

MEPHIST. As are the elements, such are the spheres,

Mutually folded in each other's orb,

And, Faustus,

All jointly move upon one axletree,

Whose terminine is term'd the world's wide pole;

Nor are the names of Saturn, Mars, or Jupiter

Feign'd, but are erring stars.

FAUSTUS. But, tell me, have they all one motion, both situ et

tempore?

MEPHIST. All jointly move from east to west in twenty-four hours

upon the poles of the world; but differ in their motion upon

the poles of the zodiac.

FAUSTUS. Tush,

These slender trifles Wagner can decide:

Hath Mephistophilis no greater skill?

Who knows not the double motion of the planets?

The first is finish'd in a natural day;

The second thus; as Saturn in thirty years; Jupiter in twelve;

Mars in four; the Sun, Venus, and Mercury in a year; the Moon in

twenty-eight days. Tush, these are freshmen's suppositions.

But, tell me, hath every sphere a dominion or intelligentia?

MEPHIST. Ay.

FAUSTUS. How many heavens or spheres are there?

MEPHIST. Nine; the seven planets, the firmament, and the empyreal

heaven.

FAUSTUS. Well, resolve me in this question; why have we not

conjunctions, oppositions, aspects, eclipses, all at one time,

but in some years we have more, in some less?

MEPHIST. Per inoequalem motum respectu totius.

FAUSTUS. Well, I am answered. Tell me who made the world?

MEPHIST. I will not.

FAUSTUS. Sweet Mephistophilis, tell me.

MEPHIST. Move me not, for I will not tell thee.

FAUSTUS. Villain, have I not bound thee to tell me any thing?

MEPHIST. Ay, that is not against our kingdom; but this is. Think

thou on hell, Faustus, for thou art damned.

FAUSTUS. Think, Faustus, upon God that made the world.

MEPHIST. Remember this.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. Ay, go, accursed spirit, to ugly hell!

'Tis thou hast damn'd distressed Faustus' soul.

Is't not too late?

Re-enter GOOD ANGEL and EVIL ANGEL.

EVIL ANGEL. Too late.

GOOD ANGEL. Never too late, if Faustus can repent.

EVIL ANGEL. If thou repent, devils shall tear thee in pieces.

GOOD ANGEL. Repent, and they shall never raze thy skin.

[Exeunt ANGELS.]

FAUSTUS. Ah, Christ, my Saviour,

Seek to save distressed Faustus' soul!

Enter LUCIFER, BELZEBUB, and MEPHISTOPHILIS.

LUCIFER. Christ cannot save thy soul, for he is just:

There's none but I have interest in the same.

FAUSTUS. O, who art thou that look'st so terrible?

LUCIFER. I am Lucifer,

And this is my companion-prince in hell.

FAUSTUS. O, Faustus, they are come to fetch away thy soul!

LUCIFER. We come to tell thee thou dost injure us;

Thou talk'st of Christ, contrary to thy promise:

Thou shouldst not think of God: think of the devil,

And of his dam too.

FAUSTUS. Nor will I henceforth: pardon me in this,

And Faustus vows never to look to heaven,

Never to name God, or to pray to him,

To burn his Scriptures, slay his ministers,

And make my spirits pull his churches down.

LUCIFER. Do so, and we will highly gratify thee. Faustus, we are

come from hell to shew thee some pastime: sit down, and thou

shalt see all the Seven Deadly Sins appear in their proper shapes.

FAUSTUS. That sight will be as pleasing unto me,

As Paradise was to Adam, the first day

Of his creation.

LUCIFER. Talk not of Paradise nor creation; but mark this show:

talk of the devil, and nothing else.--Come away!

Enter the SEVEN DEADLY SINS.

Now, Faustus, examine them of their several names and dispositions.

FAUSTUS. What art thou, the first?

PRIDE. I am Pride. I disdain to have any parents. I am like to

Ovid's flea; I can creep into every corner of a wench; sometimes,

like a perriwig, I sit upon her brow; or, like a fan of feathers,

I kiss her lips; indeed, I do--what do I not? But, fie, what a

scent is here! I'll not speak another word, except the ground

were perfumed, and covered with cloth of arras.

FAUSTUS. What art thou, the second?

COVETOUSNESS. I am Covetousness, begotten of an old churl, in an

old leathern bag: and, might I have my wish, I would desire that

this house and all the people in it were turned to gold, that I

might lock you up in my good chest: O, my sweet gold!

FAUSTUS. What art thou, the third?

WRATH. I am Wrath. I had neither father nor mother: I leapt out

of a lion's mouth when I was scarce half-an-hour old; and ever

since I have run up and down the world with this case

of rapiers, wounding myself when I had nobody to fight withal.

I was born in hell; and look to it, for some of you shall be

my father.

FAUSTUS. What art thou, the fourth?

ENVY. I am Envy, begotten of a chimney-sweeper and an oyster-wife.

I cannot read, and therefore wish all books were burnt. I am lean

with seeing others eat. O, that there would come a famine through

all the world, that all might die, and I live alone! then thou

shouldst see how fat I would be. But must thou sit, and I stand?

come down, with a vengeance!

FAUSTUS. Away, envious rascal!--What art thou, the fifth?

GLUTTONY. Who I, sir? I am Gluttony. My parents are all dead,

and the devil a penny they have left me, but a bare pension, and

that is thirty meals a-day and ten bevers,--a small trifle

to suffice nature. O, I come of a royal parentage! my grandfather

was a Gammon of Bacon, my grandmother a Hogshead of Claret-wine;

my godfathers were these, Peter Pickle-herring and Martin

Martlemas-beef; O, but my godmother, she was a jolly gentlewoman,

and well-beloved in every good town and city; her name was Mistress

Margery March-beer. Now, Faustus, thou hast heard all my progeny;

wilt thou bid me to supper?

FAUSTUS. No, I'll see thee hanged: thou wilt eat up all my victuals.

GLUTTONY. Then the devil choke thee!

FAUSTUS. Choke thyself, glutton!--What art thou, the sixth?

SLOTH. I am Sloth. I was begotten on a sunny bank, where I have

lain ever since; and you have done me great injury to bring me

from thence: let me be carried thither again by Gluttony and

Lechery. I'll not speak another word for a king's ransom.

FAUSTUS. What are you, Mistress Minx, the seventh and last?

LECHERY. Who I, sir? I am one that loves an inch of raw mutton

better than an ell of fried stock-fish; and the first letter

of my name begins with L.

FAUSTUS. Away, to hell, to hell!

[Exeunt the SINS.]

LUCIFER. Now, Faustus, how dost thou like this?

FAUSTUS. O, this feeds my soul!

LUCIFER. Tut, Faustus, in hell is all manner of delight.

FAUSTUS. O, might I see hell, and return again,

How happy were I then!

LUCIFER. Thou shalt; I will send for thee at midnight.

In meantime take this book; peruse it throughly,

And thou shalt turn thyself into what shape thou wilt.

FAUSTUS. Great thanks, mighty Lucifer!

This will I keep as chary as my life.

LUCIFER. Farewell, Faustus, and think on the devil.

FAUSTUS. Farewell, great Lucifer.

[Exeunt LUCIFER and BELZEBUB.]

Come, Mephistophilis.

[Exeunt.]

Enter CHORUS.

CHORUS. Learned Faustus,

To know the secrets of astronomy

Graven in the book of Jove's high firmament,

Did mount himself to scale Olympus' top,

Being seated in a chariot burning bright,

Drawn by the strength of yoky dragons' necks.

He now is gone to prove cosmography,

And, as I guess, will first arrive at Rome,

To see the Pope and manner of his court,

And take some part of holy Peter's feast,

That to this day is highly solemniz'd.

[Exit.]

Enter FAUSTUS and MEPHISTOPHILIS.

FAUSTUS. Having now, my good Mephistophilis,

Pass'd with delight the stately town of Trier,

Environ'd round with airy mountain-tops,

With walls of flint, and deep-entrenched lakes,

Not to be won by any conquering prince;

From Paris next, coasting the realm of France,

We saw the river Maine fall into Rhine,

Whose banks are set with groves of fruitful vines;

Then up to Naples, rich Campania,

Whose buildings fair and gorgeous to the eye,

The streets straight forth, and pav'd with finest brick,

Quarter the town in four equivalents:

There saw we learned Maro's golden tomb,

The way he cut, an English mile in length,

Thorough a rock of stone, in one night's space;

From thence to Venice, Padua, and the rest,

In one of which a sumptuous temple stands,

That threats the stars with her aspiring top.

Thus hitherto hath Faustus spent his time:

But tell me now what resting-place is this?

Hast thou, as erst I did command,

Conducted me within the walls of Rome?

MEPHIST. Faustus, I have; and, because we will not be unprovided,

I have taken up his Holiness' privy-chamber for our use.

FAUSTUS. I hope his Holiness will bid us welcome.

MEPHIST.

Tut, 'tis no matter; man; we'll be bold with his good cheer.

And now, my Faustus, that thou mayst perceive

What Rome containeth to delight thee with,

Know that this city stands upon seven hills

That underprop the groundwork of the same:

Just through the midst runs flowing Tiber's stream

With winding banks that cut it in two parts;

Over the which four stately bridges lean,

That make safe passage to each part of Rome:

Upon the bridge call'd Ponte Angelo

Erected is a castle passing strong,

Within whose walls such store of ordnance are,

And double cannons fram'd of carved brass,

As match the days within one complete year;

Besides the gates, and high pyramides,

Which Julius Caesar brought from Africa.

FAUSTUS. Now, by the kingdoms of infernal rule,

Of Styx, of Acheron, and the fiery lake

Of ever-burning Phlegethon, I swear

That I do long to see the monuments

And situation of bright-splendent Rome:

Come, therefore, let's away.

MEPHIST. Nay, Faustus, stay: I know you'd fain see the Pope,

And take some part of holy Peter's feast,

Where thou shalt see a troop of bald-pate friars,

Whose summum bonum is in belly-cheer.

FAUSTUS. Well, I'm content to compass then some sport,

And by their folly make us merriment.

Then charm me, that I

May be invisible, to do what I please,

Unseen of any whilst I stay in Rome.

[Mephistophilis charms him.]

MEPHIST. So, Faustus; now

Do what thou wilt, thou shalt not be discern'd.

Sound a Sonnet. Enter the POPE and the CARDINAL OF

LORRAIN to the banquet, with FRIARS attending.

POPE. My Lord of Lorrain, will't please you draw near?

FAUSTUS. Fall to, and the devil choke you, an you spare!

POPE. How now! who's that which spake?--Friars, look about.

FIRST FRIAR. Here's nobody, if it like your Holiness.

POPE. My lord, here is a dainty dish was sent me from the Bishop

of Milan.

FAUSTUS. I thank you, sir.

[Snatches the dish.]

POPE. How now! who's that which snatched the meat from me? will

no man look?--My lord, this dish was sent me from the Cardinal

of Florence.

FAUSTUS. You say true; I'll ha't.

[Snatches the dish.]

POPE. What, again!--My lord, I'll drink to your grace.

FAUSTUS. I'll pledge your grace.

[Snatches the cup.]

C. OF LOR. My lord, it may be some ghost, newly crept out of

Purgatory, come to beg a pardon of your Holiness.

POPE. It may be so.--Friars, prepare a dirge to lay the fury

of this ghost.--Once again, my lord, fall to.

[The POPE crosses himself.]

FAUSTUS. What, are you crossing of yourself?

Well, use that trick no more, I would advise you.

[The POPE crosses himself again.]

Well, there's the second time. Aware the third;

I give you fair warning.

[The POPE crosses himself again, and FAUSTUS hits him a box

of the ear; and they all run away.]

Come on, Mephistophilis; what shall we do?

MEPHIST. Nay, I know not: we shall be cursed with bell, book,

and candle.

FAUSTUS. How! bell, book, and candle,--candle, book, and bell,--

Forward and backward, to curse Faustus to hell!

Anon you shall hear a hog grunt, a calf bleat, and an ass bray,

Because it is Saint Peter's holiday.

Re-enter all the FRIARS to sing the Dirge.

FIRST FRIAR.

Come, brethren, let's about our business with good devotion.

They sing.

CURSED BE HE THAT STOLE AWAY HIS HOLINESS' MEAT FROM THE

TABLE! maledicat Dominus!

CURSED BE HE THAT STRUCK HIS HOLINESS A BLOW ON THE FACE!

maledicat Dominus!

CURSED BE HE THAT TOOK FRIAR SANDELO A BLOW ON THE PATE!

maledicat Dominus!

CURSED BE HE THAT DISTURBETH OUR HOLY DIRGE! maledicat

Dominus!

CURSED BE HE THAT TOOK AWAY HIS HOLINESS' WINE! maledicat

Dominus? sic>

Et omnes Sancti! Amen!

[MEPHISTOPHILIS and FAUSTUS beat the FRIARS, and fling

fire-works among them; and so exeunt.]

Enter CHORUS.

CHORUS. When Faustus had with pleasure ta'en the view

Of rarest things, and royal courts of kings,

He stay'd his course, and so returned home;

Where such as bear his absence but with grief,

I mean his friends and near'st companions,

Did gratulate his safety with kind words,

And in their conference of what befell,

Touching his journey through the world and air,

They put forth questions of astrology,

Which Faustus answer'd with such learned skill

As they admir'd and wonder'd at his wit.

Now is his fame spread forth in every land:

Amongst the rest the Emperor is one,

Carolus the Fifth, at whose palace now

Faustus is feasted 'mongst his noblemen.

What there he did, in trial of his art,

I leave untold; your eyes shall see['t] perform'd.

[Exit.]

Enter ROBIN the Ostler, with a book in his hand.

ROBIN. O, this is admirable! here I ha' stolen one of Doctor

Faustus' conjuring-books, and, i'faith, I mean to search some

circles for my own use. Now will I make all the maidens in our

parish dance at my pleasure, stark naked, before me; and so

by that means I shall see more than e'er I felt or saw yet.

Enter RALPH, calling ROBIN.

RALPH. Robin, prithee, come away; there's a gentleman tarries

to have his horse, and he would have his things rubbed and made

clean: he keeps such a chafing with my mistress about it; and

she has sent me to look thee out; prithee, come away.

ROBIN. Keep out, keep out, or else you are blown up, you are

dismembered, Ralph: keep out, for I am about a roaring piece

of work.

RALPH. Come, what doest thou with that same book? thou canst

not read?

ROBIN. Yes, my master and mistress shall find that I can read,

he for his forehead, she for her private study; she's born to

bear with me, or else my art fails.

RALPH. Why, Robin, what book is that?

ROBIN. What book! why, the most intolerable book for conjuring

that e'er was invented by any brimstone devil.

RALPH. Canst thou conjure with it?

ROBIN. I can do all these things easily with it; first, I can

make thee drunk with ippocras at any tabern in Europe

for nothing; that's one of my conjuring works.

RALPH. Our Master Parson says that's nothing.

ROBIN. True, Ralph: and more, Ralph, if thou hast any mind to

Nan Spit, our kitchen-maid, then turn her and wind her to thy own

use, as often as thou wilt, and at midnight.

RALPH. O, brave, Robin! shall I have Nan Spit, and to mine own

use? On that condition I'll feed thy devil with horse-bread as

long as he lives, of free cost.

ROBIN. No more, sweet Ralph: let's go and make clean our boots,

which lie foul upon our hands, and then to our conjuring in the

devil's name.

[Exeunt.]

Enter ROBIN and RALPH with a silver goblet.

ROBIN. Come, Ralph: did not I tell thee, we were for ever made

by this Doctor Faustus' book? ecce, signum! here's a simple

purchase for horse-keepers: our horses shall eat no hay as

long as this lasts.

RALPH. But, Robin, here comes the Vintner.

ROBIN. Hush! I'll gull him supernaturally.

Enter VINTNER.

Drawer, I hope all is paid; God be with you!--Come, Ralph.

VINTNER. Soft, sir; a word with you. I must yet have a goblet paid

from you, ere you go.

ROBIN. I a goblet, Ralph, I a goblet!--I scorn you; and you are

but a, &c. I a goblet! search me.

VINTNER. I mean so, sir, with your favour.

[Searches ROBIN.]

ROBIN. How say you now?

VINTNER. I must say somewhat to your fellow.--You, sir!

RALPH. Me, sir! me, sir! search your fill. [VINTNER searches him.]

Now, sir, you may be ashamed to burden honest men with a matter

of truth.

VINTNER. Well, tone of you hath this goblet about you.

ROBIN. You lie, drawer, 'tis afore me [Aside].--Sirrah you, I'll

teach you to impeach honest men;--stand by;--I'll scour you for

a goblet;--stand aside you had best, I charge you in the name of

Belzebub.--Look to the goblet, Ralph [Aside to RALPH].

VINTNER. What mean you, sirrah?

ROBIN. I'll tell you what I mean. [Reads from a book] Sanctobulorum

Periphrasticon--nay, I'll tickle you, Vintner.--Look to the goblet,

Ralph [Aside to RALPH].--[Reads] Polypragmos Belseborams framanto

pacostiphos tostu, Mephistophilis, &c.

Enter MEPHISTOPHILIS, sets squibs at their backs, and then

exit. They run about.

VINTNER. O, nomine Domini! what meanest thou, Robin? thou hast no

goblet.

RALPH. Peccatum peccatorum!--Here's thy goblet, good Vintner.

[Gives the goblet to VINTNER, who exits.]

ROBIN. Misericordia pro nobis! what shall I do? Good devil, forgive

me now, and I'll never rob thy library more.

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS.

MEPHIST. Monarch of Hell, under whose black survey

Great potentates do kneel with awful fear,

Upon whose altars thousand souls do lie,

How am I vexed with these villains' charms?

From Constantinople am I hither come,

Only for pleasure of these damned slaves.

ROBIN. How, from Constantinople! you have had a great journey:

will you take sixpence in your purse to pay for your supper, and

be gone?

MEPHIST. Well, villains, for your presumption, I transform thee

into an ape, and thee into a dog; and so be gone!

[Exit.]

ROBIN. How, into an ape! that's brave: I'll have fine sport with

the boys; I'll get nuts and apples enow.

RALPH. And I must be a dog.

ROBIN. I'faith, thy head will never be out of the pottage-pot.

[Exeunt.]

Enter EMPEROR, FAUSTUS, and a KNIGHT, with ATTENDANTS.

EMPEROR. Master Doctor Faustus, I have heard strange report

of thy knowledge in the black art, how that none in my empire

nor in the whole world can compare with thee for the rare effects

of magic: they say thou hast a familiar spirit, by whom thou canst

accomplish what thou list. This, therefore, is my request, that

thou let me see some proof of thy skill, that mine eyes may be

witnesses to confirm what mine ears have heard reported: and here

I swear to thee, by the honour of mine imperial crown, that,

whatever thou doest, thou shalt be no ways prejudiced or endamaged.

KNIGHT. I'faith, he looks much like a conjurer.

[Aside.]

FAUSTUS. My gracious sovereign, though I must confess myself far

inferior to the report men have published, and nothing answerable

to the honour of your imperial majesty, yet, for that love and duty

binds me thereunto, I am content to do whatsoever your majesty

shall command me.

EMPEROR. Then, Doctor Faustus, mark what I shall say.

As I was sometime solitary set

Within my closet, sundry thoughts arose

About the honour of mine ancestors,

How they had won by prowess such exploits,

Got such riches, subdu'd so many kingdoms,

As we that do succeed, or they that shall

Hereafter possess our throne, shall

(I fear me) ne'er attain to that degree

Of high renown and great authority:

Amongst which kings is Alexander the Great,

Chief spectacle of the world's pre-eminence,

The bright shining of whose glorious acts

Lightens the world with his reflecting beams,

As when I hear but motion made of him,

It grieves my soul I never saw the man:

If, therefore, thou, by cunning of thine art,

Canst raise this man from hollow vaults below,

Where lies entomb'd this famous conqueror,

And bring with him his beauteous paramour,

Both in their right shapes, gesture, and attire

They us'd to wear during their time of life,

Thou shalt both satisfy my just desire,

And give me cause to praise thee whilst I live.

FAUSTUS. My gracious lord, I am ready to accomplish your request,

so far forth as by art and power of my spirit I am able to perform.

KNIGHT. I'faith, that's just nothing at all.

[Aside.]

FAUSTUS. But, if it like your grace, it is not in my ability

to present before your eyes the true substantial bodies of those

two deceased princes, which long since are consumed to dust.

KNIGHT. Ay, marry, Master Doctor, now there's a sign of grace in

you, when you will confess the truth.

[Aside.]

FAUSTUS. But such spirits as can lively resemble Alexander and

his paramour shall appear before your grace, in that manner that

they both lived in, in their most flourishing estate; which

I doubt not shall sufficiently content your imperial majesty.

EMPEROR. Go to, Master Doctor; let me see them presently.

KNIGHT. Do you hear, Master Doctor? you bring Alexander and his

paramour before the Emperor!

FAUSTUS. How then, sir?

KNIGHT. I'faith, that's as true as Diana turned me to a stag.

FAUSTUS. No, sir; but, when Actaeon died, he left the horns for

you.--Mephistophilis, be gone.

[Exit MEPHISTOPHILIS.]

KNIGHT. Nay, an you go to conjuring, I'll be gone.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. I'll meet with you anon for interrupting me so.

--Here they are, my gracious lord.

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS with SPIRITS in the shapes of ALEXANDER

and his PARAMOUR.

EMPEROR. Master Doctor, I heard this lady, while she lived, had a

wart or mole in her neck: how shall I know whether it be so or no?

FAUSTUS. Your highness may boldly go and see.

EMPEROR. Sure, these are no spirits, but the true substantial

bodies of those two deceased princes.

[Exeunt Spirits.]

FAUSTUS. Wilt please your highness now to send for the knight

that was so pleasant with me here of late?

EMPEROR. One of you call him forth.

[Exit ATTENDANT.]

Re-enter the KNIGHT with a pair of horns on his head.

How now, sir knight! why, I had thought thou hadst been a bachelor,

but now I see thou hast a wife, that not only gives thee horns,

but makes thee wear them. Feel on thy head.

KNIGHT. Thou damned wretch and execrable dog,

Bred in the concave of some monstrous rock,

How dar'st thou thus abuse a gentleman?

Villain, I say, undo what thou hast done!

FAUSTUS. O, not so fast, sir! there's no haste: but, good, are

you remembered how you crossed me in my conference with the

Emperor? I think I have met with you for it.

EMPEROR. Good Master Doctor, at my entreaty release him: he hath

done penance sufficient.

FAUSTUS. My gracious lord, not so much for the injury he offered

me here in your presence, as to delight you with some mirth, hath

Faustus worthily requited this injurious knight; which being all

I desire, I am content to release him of his horns:--and,

sir knight, hereafter speak well of scholars.--Mephistophilis,

transform him straight. [MEPHISTOPHILIS removes the horns.]

--Now, my good lord, having done my duty, I humbly take my leave.

EMPEROR. Farewell, Master Doctor: yet, ere you go,

Expect from me a bounteous reward.

[Exeunt EMPEROR, KNIGHT, and ATTENDANTS.]

FAUSTUS. Now, Mephistophilis, the restless course

That time doth run with calm and silent foot,

Shortening my days and thread of vital life,

Calls for the payment of my latest years:

Therefore, sweet Mephistophilis, let us

Make haste to Wertenberg.

MEPHIST. What, will you go on horse-back or on footFAUSTUS. Nay, till I'm past this fair and

pleasant green,

I'll walk on foot.

Enter a HORSE-COURSER.

HORSE-COURSER. I have been all this day seeking one Master Fustian:

mass, see where he is!--God save you, Master Doctor!

FAUSTUS. What, horse-courser! you are well met.

HORSE-COURSER. Do you hear, sir? I have brought you forty dollars

for your horse.

FAUSTUS. I cannot sell him so: if thou likest him for fifty, take

him.

HORSE-COURSER. Alas, sir, I have no more!--I pray you, speak for

me.

MEPHIST. I pray you, let him have him: he is an honest fellow,

and he has a great charge, neither wife nor child.

FAUSTUS. Well, come, give me your money [HORSE-COURSER gives

FAUSTUS the money]: my boy will deliver him to you. But I must

tell you one thing before you have him; ride him not into the

water, at any hand.

HORSE-COURSER. Why, sir, will he not drink of all waters?

FAUSTUS. O, yes, he will drink of all waters; but ride him not

into the water: ride him over hedge or ditch, or where thou wilt,

but not into the water.

HORSE-COURSER. Well, sir.--Now am I made man for ever: I'll not

leave my horse for forty: if he had but the quality of

hey-ding-ding, hey-ding-ding, I'd make a brave living on him:

he has a buttock as slick as an eel [Aside].--Well, God b'wi'ye,

sir: your boy will deliver him me: but, hark you, sir; if my horse

be sick or ill at ease, if I bring his water to you, you'll tell

me what it is?

FAUSTUS. Away, you villain! what, dost think I am a horse-doctor?

[Exit HORSE-COURSER.]

What art thou, Faustus, but a man condemn'd to die?

Thy fatal time doth draw to final end;

Despair doth drive distrust into my thoughts:

Confound these passions with a quiet sleep:

Tush, Christ did call the thief upon the Cross;

Then rest thee, Faustus, quiet in conceit.

[Sleeps in his chair.]

Re-enter HORSE-COURSER, all wet, crying.

HORSE-COURSER. Alas, alas! Doctor Fustian, quoth a? mass, Doctor

Lopus was never such a doctor: has given me a purgation, has

purged me of forty dollars; I shall never see them more. But yet,

like an ass as I was, I would not be ruled by him, for he bade me

I should ride him into no water: now I, thinking my horse had had

some rare quality that he would not have had me know of, I,

like a venturous youth, rid him into the deep pond at the town's

end. I was no sooner in the middle of the pond, but my horse

vanished away, and I sat upon a bottle of hay, never so near

drowning in my life. But I'll seek out my doctor, and have my

forty dollars again, or I'll make it the dearest horse!--O,

yonder is his snipper-snapper.--Do you hear? you, hey-pass,

where's your master?

MEPHIST. Why, sir, what would you? you cannot speak with him.

HORSE-COURSER. But I will speak with him.

MEPHIST. Why, he's fast asleep: come some other time.

HORSE-COURSER. I'll speak with him now, or I'll break his

glass-windows about his ears.

MEPHIST. I tell thee, he has not slept this eight nights.

HORSE-COURSER. An he have not slept this eight weeks, I'll

speak with him.

MEPHIST. See, where he is, fast asleep.

HORSE-COURSER. Ay, this is he.--God save you, Master Doctor,

Master Doctor, Master Doctor Fustian! forty dollars, forty dollars

for a bottle of hay!

MEPHIST. Why, thou seest he hears thee not.

HORSE-COURSER. So-ho, ho! so-ho, ho! [Hollows in his ear.] No,

will you not wake? I'll make you wake ere I go. [Pulls FAUSTUS

by the leg, and pulls it away.] Alas, I am undone! what shall

I do?

FAUSTUS. O, my leg, my leg!--Help, Mephistophilis! call the

officers.--My leg, my leg!

MEPHIST. Come, villain, to the constable.

HORSE-COURSER. O Lord, sir, let me go, and I'll give you forty

dollars more!

MEPHIST. Where be they?

HORSE-COURSER. I have none about me: come to my ostry,

and I'll give them you.

MEPHIST. Be gone quickly.

[HORSE-COURSER runs away.]

FAUSTUS. What, is he gone? farewell he! Faustus has his leg again,

and the Horse-courser, I take it, a bottle of hay for his labour:

well, this trick shall cost him forty dollars more.

Enter WAGNER.

How now, Wagner! what's the news with thee?

WAGNER. Sir, the Duke of Vanholt doth earnestly entreat your

company.

FAUSTUS. The Duke of Vanholt! an honourable gentleman, to whom

I must be no niggard of my cunning.--Come, Mephistophilis,

let's away to him.

[Exeunt.]

Enter the DUKE OF VANHOLT, the DUCHESS, and FAUSTUS.

DUKE. Believe me, Master Doctor, this merriment hath much pleased

me.

FAUSTUS. My gracious lord, I am glad it contents you so well.

--But it may be, madam, you take no delight in this. I have heard

that great-bellied women do long for some dainties or other: what

is it, madam? tell me, and you shall have it.

DUCHESS. Thanks, good Master Doctor: and, for I see your courteous

intent to pleasure me, I will not hide from you the thing my heart

desires; and, were it now summer, as it is January and the dead

time of the winter, I would desire no better meat than a dish

of ripe grapes.

FAUSTUS. Alas, madam, that's nothing!--Mephistophilis, be gone.

[Exit MEPHISTOPHILIS.] Were it a greater thing than this, so it

would content you, you should have it.

Re-enter MEPHISTOPHILIS with grapes.

Here they be, madam: wilt please you taste on them?

DUKE. Believe me, Master Doctor, this makes me wonder above the

rest, that being in the dead time of winter and in the month of

January, how you should come by these grapes.

FAUSTUS. If it like your grace, the year is divided into two

circles over the whole world, that, when it is here winter with

us, in the contrary circle it is summer with them, as in India,

Saba, and farther countries in the east; and by means of a

swift spirit that I have, I had them brought hither, as you see.

--How do you like them, madam? be they good?

DUCHESS. Believe me, Master Doctor, they be the best grapes that

e'er I tasted in my life before.

FAUSTUS. I am glad they content you so, madam.

DUKE. Come, madam, let us in, where you must well reward this

learned man for the great kindness he hath shewed to you.

DUCHESS. And so I will, my lord; and, whilst I live, rest

beholding for this courtesy.

FAUSTUS. I humbly thank your grace.

DUKE. Come, Master Doctor, follow us, and receive your reward.

[Exeunt.]

Enter WAGNER.

WAGNER. I think my master means to die shortly,

For he hath given to me all his goods:

And yet, methinks, if that death were near,

He would not banquet, and carouse, and swill

Amongst the students, as even now he doth,

Who are at supper with such belly-cheer

As Wagner ne'er beheld in all his life.

See, where they come! belike the feast is ended.

[Exit.]

Enter FAUSTUS with two or three SCHOLARS, and MEPHISTOPHILIS.

FIRST SCHOLAR. Master Doctor Faustus, since our conference about

fair ladies, which was the beautifulest in all the world, we have

determined with ourselves that Helen of Greece was the admirablest

lady that ever lived: therefore, Master Doctor, if you will do us

that favour, as to let us see that peerless dame of Greece, whom

all the world admires for majesty, we should think ourselves much

beholding unto you.

FAUSTUS. Gentlemen,

For that I know your friendship is unfeign'd,

And Faustus' custom is not to deny

The just requests of those that wish him well,

You shall behold that peerless dame of Greece,

No otherways for pomp and majesty

Than when Sir Paris cross'd the seas with her,

And brought the spoils to rich Dardania.

Be silent, then, for danger is in words.

[Music sounds, and HELEN passeth over the stage.]

SECOND SCHOLAR. Too simple is my wit to tell her praise,

Whom all the world admires for majesty.

THIRD SCHOLAR. No marvel though the angry Greeks pursu'd

With ten years' war the rape of such a queen,

Whose heavenly beauty passeth all compare.

FIRST SCHOLAR. Since we have seen the pride of Nature's works,

And only paragon of excellence,

Let us depart; and for this glorious deed

Happy and blest be Faustus evermore!

FAUSTUS. Gentlemen, farewell: the same I wish to you.

[Exeunt SCHOLARS.]

Enter an OLD MAN.

OLD MAN. Ah, Doctor Faustus, that I might prevail

To guide thy steps unto the way of life,

By which sweet path thou mayst attain the goal

That shall conduct thee to celestial rest!

Break heart, drop blood, and mingle it with tears,

Tears falling from repentant heaviness

Of thy most vile and loathsome filthiness,

The stench whereof corrupts the inward soul

With such flagitious crimes of heinous sin

As no commiseration may expel,

But mercy, Faustus, of thy Saviour sweet,

Whose blood alone must wash away thy guilt.

FAUSTUS. Where art thou, Faustus? wretch, what hast thou done?

Damn'd art thou, Faustus, damn'd; despair and die!

Hell calls for right, and with a roaring voice

Says, "Faustus, come; thine hour is almost come;"

And Faustus now will come to do thee right.

[MEPHISTOPHILIS gives him a dagger.]

OLD MAN. Ah, stay, good Faustus, stay thy desperate steps!

I see an angel hovers o'er thy head,

And, with a vial full of precious grace,

Offers to pour the same into thy soul:

Then call for mercy, and avoid despair.

FAUSTUS. Ah, my sweet friend, I feel

Thy words to comfort my distressed soul!

Leave me a while to ponder on my sins.

OLD MAN. I go, sweet Faustus; but with heavy cheer,

Fearing the ruin of thy hopeless soul.

[Exit.]

FAUSTUS. Accursed Faustus, where is mercy now?

I do repent; and yet I do despair:

Hell strives with grace for conquest in my breast:

What shall I do to shun the snares of death?

MEPHIST. Thou traitor, Faustus, I arrest thy soul

For disobedience to my sovereign lord:

Revolt, or I'll in p

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Date: December 18th, 2006 9:18 PM
Author: Multi-colored fortuitous meteor meetinghouse

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253466)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: Multi-colored fortuitous meteor meetinghouse

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253472)





Date: December 18th, 2006 7:49 PM
Author: spruce state

I am hearing that KIRKLAND & ELLIS is paying up to 70K for first year associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7252881)





Date: December 18th, 2006 7:55 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

nychasbeenspwn3d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7252910)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:11 PM
Author: Insecure laser beams home

Post a memo or shut the fuck up. Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253036)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:14 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

The poster on Greedy LA claims there is no memo because it's discretionary for each associate. That might be true for LA (no memo was posted last year) but there was a memo for NY last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253067)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:18 PM
Author: Insecure laser beams home

there must be some letter that the individual associates get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253095)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:20 PM
Author: spruce state

Never any memo.

Was no memo last yr.

In person meeting where they announce results.

People told later what their bonuses are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253108)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:10 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

Did you post this on Greedy LA?

"Kirkland Announces! Bonuses are HUGE and WAY ABOVE Market

Numbers are beginning to trickle in. So far, all numbers are significantly above the NY lock-step bonuses. More info to follow."

http://infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0035Y7



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253025)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:20 PM
Author: Thriller bipolar pit

almost certainly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253107)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:24 PM
Author: spruce state

No that is not my schtick as I would never write "Kirkland" rather than KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253135)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:28 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

True. One saves you money and the other pays you money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253151)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:18 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253907)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:21 PM
Author: spruce state

Don't post on greedy. Don't know anything about LA bonuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253112)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:19 PM
Author: arrogant crackhouse

Confirmed. I know two associates at K&E Chicago - both Class of 2001, and both with ranked 'with the class'

One received (or is receiving this Friday) $95,000, and the other $83,000, in boni. For those in same class with above, or at top of class, rankings, the numbers were well through $100K.

This year, as opposed to last, the boni grids were the same across all K&E offices.

I stand awed again by K&E.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253101)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:23 PM
Author: spruce state

I did not know this about Chicago. It seems fair that the grids are the same for all offices since they are based on hours. I do not know that they were not the same last year as I just assume that they are lower on average because on average non-NY associates work less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253128)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:24 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

NY market bonus for 2001 is $55k so even with the $145k vs. $135k salary difference, these are substantially larger bonuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253131)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:37 PM
Author: spruce state

It looks like KIRKLAND & ELLIS is primed to be the undisputed #1 firm in every single city as they don't even have a Wachtell Lipton to compete with in other cities besides NY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253201)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:40 PM
Author: Insecure laser beams home

I hope you can swallow fast enough to keep up with how hard you're sucking K&E off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253215)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:41 PM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS next year I will swallow a big hot juicy load of cum with my seventy thousand dollar bonus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253223)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:24 PM
Author: underhanded stimulating associate resort

"Bonuses."

HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253513)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:21 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253943)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:40 PM
Author: stirring chad

lol flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253218)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:43 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

If this is true, the great part is that there is no memo so all the other firms can continue to be cheap.

What I am really looking forward to is if next year isn't as fantastic as this year, will they all the V10 firms lower bonuses? That would be really great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253235)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:46 PM
Author: spruce state

There was no memo at KIRKLAND & ELLIS last year yet the information that the KIRKLAND & ELLIS Firm Committee members write on a flip-chart at the annual bonus meeting makes its way onto the message boards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253246)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:47 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

Here's the info from last year: http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002ux0

Last year's average for that year was $80.9k with a high of $99.5k, so reports of $83k and $95k would not be that off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253255)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:49 PM
Author: spruce state

But that is not a memorandum that KIRKLAND & ELLIS emails around the firm as it is just written down from what they wrote on a flip chart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253262)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: arrogant crackhouse

purported to be 10% increase from last year, all around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253268)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:53 PM
Author: spruce state

I have heard more than 10% but I am waiting to hear more great news from KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253288)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Yes, but since it is a "discretionary system" - the other firms can say "we don't do that, we do lock step!!!!" and ignore it. And since 80% of law firm associates are clueless or trust their firm, they don't figure it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253259)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:50 PM
Author: spruce state

You are correct. The NYC hasbeens and their crappy associates are in denial and fail to realize that even the lazy and bad associates at KIRKLAND & ELLIS get above the market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253267)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:52 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I don't think law firm associates are in denial that it sucks to be working in law. I think anyone whose paying attention realizes this.

I do admit, though, that I thought they would catch up with Kirkland. Actually, I'm starting to really hate the lockstep method. Just seems like an easy way for them to limit the bargaining power of stars completely and undercut their salary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253281)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:55 PM
Author: spruce state

This is why KIRKLAND & ELLIS is the firm of the future and will soon be #1 in every single practice area and in every single city. Any star will want to lateral to KIRKLAND & ELLIS and the best law students will all want to summer at KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

We better do the Cravath Walk for the entire partnership.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253296)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:56 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Not sure many people are going to abandon all of their connections to lateral into a new firm for an extra $15k. Basically, it'll cause the S&C / DPW / CSM kids to say "WTF?" and move on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253301)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:58 PM
Author: spruce state

It will be a gradual process that will happen over time and not overnight. The best law students will be even more likely to come to KIRKLAND & ELLIS and the best lateral candidates will think more about KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253317)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:59 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

You are assuming rationality. K&E needs to work on that vault ranking. That whole "exit option" thing will still convince people to go to cravath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253328)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: Curious sadistic macaca becky

They are V10 now, and seem to be the only firm with upward momentum. They are very close to the firms ahead of them, and not far out of 7th.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253340)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:02 PM
Author: sick piazza circlehead

See my below post. We should all try to reward kirkland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253352)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:05 PM
Author: spruce state

I do not follow Vault methodology so can you please tell me how KIRKLAND & ELLIS can increase its Vault ranking. Is it like USNWR where a law school can game the system by buying more books for their library.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253379)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: sick piazza circlehead

Its a survey of "prestige" by biglaw associates (we rank from 1 to 10). Associates can vote as many times as they would like (there is no safeguard), and only about 13000 end up voting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253392)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:18 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

It is pretty stupid to rank things like compensation with subjective survey results instead of actual numbers anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253465)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:40 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

It helps the firms keep their high rankings without actually paying, because there are enough associates that just gives the top score straight down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253621)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: Curious sadistic macaca becky

I have no idea, all I know is there score is very close to the three firms ahead of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253400)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:48 PM
Author: arrogant crackhouse

This is true. No memo. Great for K&E, bad for rest of market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253260)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:58 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

more like embarassing for the rest of the market.

Its hard for me to really care, though, given that either way we're still getting killed by wachtell and ibanking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253318)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

It's kinda amusing because I feel like I remember you and me arguing over compensation (re: S&C raises or something) a few times last year, but this year you seem to have joined me in feeling financepwn3d.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253339)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:47 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

the one thing that we know for sure is that KIRKLAND & ELLIS will continue to give monster bonuses that shatter the new York market, no matter how the economy is doing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253254)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:49 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Dood, I know you like posting under multiple names, but at least change it up a little bit. Lowercase, don't use the word shatter, so forth...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253265)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:51 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

I'm actually not this guy, I just admire him and everything he stands for. He's hilarious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253276)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:53 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

ok... you did an excellent job of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253285)





Date: December 18th, 2006 8:52 PM
Author: spruce state

This poster is not me. But imitation is flattery and I am happy to have a fellow KIRKLAND & ELLIS troll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253279)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:00 PM
Author: sick piazza circlehead

In this years vault, i will be giving kirkland a score of 10, and i will be voting dozens of times. I suggest all of you do the same.

For those who dont know, firms actually care alot about the vault rankings because of its impact on recruiting.

Likewise, cravath was the firm this year that successfully depressed the market, they will be getting all 6s (below 6 will probably be tossed out as an outlier).

Firms should be rewarded or punished accordingly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253330)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

MILBANK deserves a 9 for leading the market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253342)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:01 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I wish we could get a critical mass for this. Cravath, particularly, seemed to race to presses to match with what seemed like an audible sigh of relief from the partners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253351)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:03 PM
Author: sick piazza circlehead

Someone should post this on greedy. The scores in vault are close enough that we can actually cause a shift in the rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253363)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:02 PM
Author: Curious sadistic macaca becky

Agreed. Except I'm not allowed to vote yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253358)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:02 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS already deserves 10's because it is the best and most prestigious law firm in the nation but I do appreciate your cooperation in making Vault see what I see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253362)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:03 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

Here are some more numbers on Greedy, although somebody claims they should be about 10-15% higher:

"Exact bonus depends on a combo of hours worked and the associate's rank (basically, associates are graded). Word is, the low end of the spectrum is for laterals who did not work a full year. Associates who worked around 1900-2000 hours and were "with class" supposedly got a market bonus:

Class | Low-High | apparent mean

2005 | 25-69 | in the 50s

2004 | 17-78 | 50s

2003 | 30-96 | 60s

2002 | 50-133 | 70s

2001 | 37-108 | 70s

2000 | 87-140 | 100s"

http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0035YG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253367)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:05 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

what does "With class" mean? Does this mean that the normal guy who plugs in 2000 hours gets market (i.e. 30k)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253386)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:07 PM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS "with class" is the normal rating as "below class" means "look for a new job"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253394)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:11 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Yea I don't want to be below class...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253422)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:13 PM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS it is just as hard to get below class as it is to get fired at a NYC hasbeen as it is basically the equivalent of getting "the talk"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253435)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:16 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

Do you think someone "below class" at K&E would probably be an average associate at Davis/S&C/Cravath due to the superior training they already recieved at K&E?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253453)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: spruce state

No I do not think so. I believe you are not grasping the full breadth of "below the class." The rare person who is "below class" at KIRKLAND & ELLIS is someone who will not be able to last at any of the NYC hasbeens and that person probably didn't get any superior training because they were too incompetent to take advantage of it and learn anything from it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253471)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:19 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

Where do you think you'll fall in the class?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253477)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:21 PM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS it is nearly impossible for a newer associate to "break out" and get above the class so nearly everyone can be expected to be rated with the class for at least the first couple years. As you get more senior KIRKLAND & ELLIS will start making people above the class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253488)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:26 PM
Author: underhanded stimulating associate resort

Flame. There are no people "with class" at K&E.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253527)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:24 PM
Author: painfully honest slippery den gaping

I don't care what "Happy Camper" says, there's no way that this isn't one jackass talking to himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253508)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

I'd own to this guy if I were him, he is a highly prestigious shtick. Alas, I am not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254422)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:32 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

Here's another from Greedy Chicago:

"Sources at Kirkland indicate that the 06 Kirkland bonuses are as follows - give or take a few thousand. Kirkland definitely rocks. It will be interesting to see how other firms respond.

1st years billing 1800 = $25k 2000 = 37 2200 = 41 2400 = 49

2nd years billing 1800 = 25 2000 = 42 2200 = 46 2400 = 55

3rd years billing 1800 = 41.5 2000 = 60.5 2200 = 64.5 2400 = 72.5

4th years billing 1800 = 48 2000 = 68 2200 = 72 2400 = 81

5th years billing 1800 = 54.5 2000 = 76.5 2200 = 79.5 2400 = 87.5

6th years billing 1800 = 75 2000 = 99 2200 = 102 2400 = 110 "

http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?topic=Greedy%20Chicago&msg_id=0035YN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253568)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:35 PM
Author: spruce state

My sources are telling my that the KIRKLAND & ELLIS hours that guy has are too high as the numbers seem right but you might have had to work less to get said bonus. This is hard to pin down in that KIRKLAND & ELLIS doesn't release the grid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253590)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:12 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

are you kidding? some times you take the bullshit way too far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253859)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:14 PM
Author: spruce state

The KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is not released to the associates. They tell bits and pieces of it and people ask each other what their numbers are and people figure things out themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253873)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:43 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

so for an average, 2000 hour associate, we're talking +7 over market for first and second years, and then +20.5 or third years, +23 for 5th years...

not bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253633)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:45 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

An average NY associate is more like 2100-2250 at the more well regarded NYC hasbeen firms so we're talking even more over market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253647)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:48 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

maybe for some guys in M&A, but 2200 is NOT average. I agree, though, that the guys in M&A get royally screwed over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253672)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:46 PM
Author: Curious sadistic macaca becky

How many hours does the average Cravath associate bill a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253650)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:10 PM
Author: Jet racy mother

Isn't market for first years $35k now? So they're $2k over for first years, and $2k over for second years....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253837)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:15 PM
Author: spruce state

My sources tell me that KIRKLAND & ELLIS used 1800 hours to benchmark their grid against the NYC market. So a KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate who worked over 1800 hours would have got above market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253888)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:18 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

" So a KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate who worked over 1800 hours would have got above market"

well, no. You have to meet the next threshold. If you work 1999, you make market -5. If you work 2000, you make market +7. That's going off the above chart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253906)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:21 PM
Author: spruce state

That chart is not the official KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid as it is more of a compilation of bits and pieces that the poster acquired so it could be lower in some instances and higher in other instances. KIRKLAND & ELLIS specifically said that the 1800 hour threshold was what you needed to do to get market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253936)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:22 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Where did they specifically say this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253948)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:25 PM
Author: spruce state

My sources said that such was announced at the KIRKLAND & ELLIS meeting on how they set the grid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253982)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:27 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

So your sources are better than this guys sources? What is your source, Jack Levin?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254000)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:29 PM
Author: spruce state

Me and the other guy are probably getting different data points from different sources and are both trying to connect the dots based on the data points that we're seeing from KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254029)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:32 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

So you admit that you have no fucking idea, and his numbers could very well be accurate.

Given your trolling, I wouldn't be surprised if all your friends where huge kirkland fans who get higher bonuses than average.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254060)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:35 PM
Author: spruce state

There is no way he can confirm all of that information unless he is an equity partner who has the grid in his hands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254087)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:39 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

There is no way you can confirm any information because you don't even work there. I don't understand why I should believe anything you say at all.

2k over market is not shattering, especially when there is a very real possibility you could make 25k if you work in a less strenuous practice area. Even if you hit 2200, you're only getting 6 k extra. I'm not trying to belittle that - I'd like to have an extra 6 k - but that isn't enough to make me choose them over S&C or DPW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254135)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:47 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

The framework for how KIRKLAND & ELLIS sets the grid is the same every year and isn't anything announced today. They told us all this over the summer, except this year's actual data points.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254222)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:58 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Great. But you have no idea what # of hours you need to make market. If it is 2000, we're talking about a 2K premium to work at an inferior firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254324)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:00 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS said today that on the grid you need 1800 hours to get the NY market and I have confirmed this. And KIRKLAND & ELLIS is a superior firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254337)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Again, how did you confirm this? And the second point is at best a matter of opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254402)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: spruce state

Associates at KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254408)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:01 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

inferior firm compared to what? Kirkland is better than, say, Fried Frank, Pillsbury or Sonnenchein.

Apparently not better than DLA Piper though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254346)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:02 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS is better than, say, Cravath or Sullivan or Davis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254359)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Come on. Probably for bankruptcy, maybe for litigation, but definitely not for corporate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254370)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS is #1 in NYC for bankruptcy, litigation, private equity, and intellectual property.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254381)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Weil, Davis/S&C/Cravath/Simpson, Simpson, and Ropes might have something to say about that, respectively.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254412)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:09 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Why are you making stuff up?

http://www.chambersandpartners.com/usa/rankings36.aspx?fid=3636

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254433)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS was USA Law Firm of the Year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254447)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I guess that makes them the #1 firm for SPACELAW as well as all other practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254489)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:20 PM
Author: Jet racy mother

wait, so for nyc, it would look like this?

1st years billing 1800= 37 2000 = 41 2200 = 49

2nd years billing 1800 = 42 2000 = 46 2200 = 55

3rd years billing 1800 = 60.5 2000 = 64.5 2200 = 72.5

4th years billing 1800 = 68 2000 = 72 2200 = 81

5th years billing 11800 = 76.5 2000 = 79.5 2200 = 87.5

6th years billing 1800 = 99 2000 = 102 2200 = 110 "

So assuming all this, at 2000 hours, you're $6k above for first and second years; about $10k over for third year; and then it's uphill from there.

Since the median stay at one of these firms is about 3.5 years, working at Kirkland over a higher-ranked firm gives the median attorney at 2000 hours a $ premium of $22k. That's nice, but it's not a ton. Better exit opportunities are clearly worth more than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253929)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:24 PM
Author: spruce state

I said above that the chart seems higher in some cases and much lower in other cases than what I heard; bottom line is that nobody has the official KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid.

Remember that the median NYC attorney at a NY hasbeen works 2100-2250 hours, not 2000 hours. And KIRKLAND & ELLIS has better exit opportunities than your NYC hasbeen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253969)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:26 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Again, the median NY attorney does not work 2250 hours. This is especially true outside of M&A. The 2000 bonus number is the relevant number for most of us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253995)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:27 PM
Author: spruce state

The median NYC hasbeen attorney works more than 2000 hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254006)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:30 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Perhaps, but less than 2200. You seem to miss the point that you have to hit the 2200 number in order to get that bonus. People who work 2130 get the 2000 bonus.

I'm seeing more and more why lockstep makes sense...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254036)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:39 PM
Author: spruce state

No you seem to miss the point that the guy just posted random data points that he thinks he knows. The KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is based on 50 hour increments, not 200 hour increments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254127)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:43 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

let me try this again. Going off the chart above, looks like $1000 for 50 hour increments. So, if you bill 2100 hours, you get 39k. 4k over market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254162)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:28 PM
Author: Jet racy mother

You are a 3L that summered at Kirkland NY last summer right? Or at least that's your shtick?

So either you're calling people you worked with this past summer asking about their bonuses, or you're making it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254017)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:36 PM
Author: spruce state

3L former summer of KIRKLAND & ELLIS. I keep in contact with lots of people from KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254098)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:37 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

That much I believe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254113)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:25 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Is a first year a 2006 or a 2005? A 2006 the bonus is 30 k, so this would be 11 k above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253980)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:26 PM
Author: spruce state

KIRKLAND & ELLIS does not give a bonus to 2006 and instead they pay the $10,000 stipend which the hasbeens do not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253996)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:29 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

whereas the other firms give a prorated bonus, which is going to end up being abotu the same.

So we're comparing the first year bonus to the 35 k number? All this hubub over a 2k increase? Hell, I'll give up the 2k for assurance that I don't hit a slow market in my area and can't bill 2000 and get 25 k!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254019)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:32 PM
Author: Jet racy mother

I'd also give $2k not to work at a firm that only recently revolved into the V10.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254051)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:34 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

3rd years and 4th years tend to make a little more (15k) but this is still nothing to get overwhelmed about.

If you're some superstar hotshot billing 2300 hrs, you probably want to make partner, and if you want to make partner, you'd want to do it at one of the other firms, not K&E.

What a bunch of excitement over nothing. If I murder myself, maybe i'll get an extra 6 k. This is hardly "shattering" the NY Market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254086)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:36 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

i bet it's pretty normal to hit 2400 in NYC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254099)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:37 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Maybe at Cravath. As far as I know at my firm, that number is extraordinary. Only 5th / 6th years gunning for partner get that high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254108)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:44 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

i have no idea what the numbers are at Cravath, although it wouldn't surprise me if a ton of people were hitting 2400+ (or at any other V10 in NYC for that matter). Cravath doesn't keep track of billables at all from what I can tell.

I asked a ton of associates what they billed and all of them said that no one has ever kept track or told them how much they billed, and they wouldn't even know who to ask to find out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254178)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:46 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Really? Other firms have your year to date listed on your DTEs. I can promise you many law firm associates know how many hours they've billed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254207)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:47 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

I have no idea what a DTE is. I just know that every associate told me that Cravath never tells you how much you are billing or how much anyone else is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254227)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:53 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

You don't use Carpe Diem or some other electronic timesheet system? Do the partners just make up a number for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254277)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:59 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

i just wrote down all my hours on a legal pad and gave it to my secretary once a week who typed it up for me (chock full of her errors, of course).

The firm I went to my 1L year used carpe diem though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254325)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:54 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

daily time entry. that might be outing my summer firm, but as it turns out I don't care because I'm not going there.

Well, the later might be true at other firms, but I know that at my firm over the summer most people knew exactly, to the minute, how many hours they billed. They just logged into the DTE system and it told them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254284)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:00 PM
Author: Costumed brunch elastic band

why didn't you go back to your summer firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254339)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

A bunch of silly reasons, really. Nothing that would help anyone else decide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254388)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

Are you going to one of your firm's competitors? Do you think you burnt bridges? Was 3L oci tough?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254417)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:17 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Yes. I didn't go through OCI, I called up one of the firms I had an offer at from the year before. They are happy to hire people like me because they can stick me at recruiting events.

I may have burnt bridges. They seemed pretty pissed about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254518)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:37 PM
Author: spruce state

*TOTAL MISINFORMATON ALERT*

Top 4th years at KIRKLAND & ELLIS are making $70,000 MORE than they are at Cravath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254116)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:45 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

"top 4th years" have I ever said anything different? How many top 4th years are there, 10?

those guys would probably rather be a partner at S&C than at kirkland (though S&C has discretionary bonuses). So it might make sense that they wouldn't want to take the money.

For the vast majority of us, this is an irrellevant choice anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254189)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:50 PM
Author: Jet racy mother

Yeah it's like, you work really hard, get a small premium to keep the rock stars from going somewhere more preftigiouf, and then you get "rewarded" with a partnership track that's two years longer, and partnership at an inferior firm. HURRAY!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254252)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:55 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Non-equity partnership! I can confuse my parents and friends by telling them I'm a partner!

Listen, I appreciate K&E for putting so much thought into this. Any increase over market is nice, and it is nice that they reward the hard workers. But I'm certainly underwhelmed after all the "shattering" talk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254303)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:59 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

In an attempt to feel better about your ding from KIRKLAND & ELLIS you've convinced yourself that KIRKLAND & ELLIS associates are going to possibly get $15K below the NY market at KIRKLAND & ELLIS which is complete horseshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254326)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:04 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

No, I'm saying 3rd years make 15k MORE than NY market, but that this makes sense because they have to pay prime associates not to leave. 15k is great though, don't get me wrong. It just doesn't seem earth shattering when we also include exit options and where you'd rather be a partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254376)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:06 PM
Author: spruce state

The average third year associate at KIRKLAND & ELLIS isn't going to make equity partner at KIRKLAND & ELLIS or, and the average NY hasbeen third year isn't going to make partner at his hasbeen. So it is therefore better to take the $15K at KIRKLAND & ELLIS which is also the firm that will give you better training and better exit options.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254404)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:12 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

The first point, that most people won't make parter, is a solid point.

I do not think, however, that you are going to get better training and exit options in corporate at K&E NYC than at DPW, S&C, Cravath, Simpson, or Debevoise. At that point, you might be willing to give up the 15k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254455)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:00 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

Associates who work at KIRKLAND & ELLIS appreciate the amount of money they get over market, even though for the junior people it ends up being de minimus.

Going to a firm to make a couple of extra bucks is pretty stupid. The junior people I met with at KIRKLAND & ELLIS go there because they get pretty substantial experience early on in their careers.

I regret that I have to work at the same firm as KirklandTroll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254338)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:57 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

The average KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate is doing substantially better than the NY market, and the star associates would rather be partner at KIRKLAND & ELLIS than a shit hasbeen like Sullivan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254315)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:33 PM
Author: spruce state

"2k increase" is something you have invented to demean KIRKLAND & ELLIS and is totally baseless. The real numbers at KIRKLAND & ELLIS are much higher than that.

You have to bill 1800 to get the NYC market. KIRKLAND & ELLIS will never be slow as it is booming unlike your terrible NYC hasbeen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254073)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:36 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

You admit that your getting different datapoints so you don't know that the 1800 people get market.

Where does the 25k number go? To people who bill 1600?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254100)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:48 PM
Author: spruce state

25k number goes to laterals who weren't there all year, moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254235)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:52 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

Instead of a pro-rated bonus, laterals that were only there half the year and can only hit 1100 hours get $0?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254273)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:55 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

For a lateral KIRKLAND & ELLIS figures out how much you would have billed if you were there for 12 months and gives you a bonus number based on the grid and then they prorate that number based on how long you've been there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254300)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:55 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

Laterals to KIRKLAND & ELLIS get screwed because unlike other firms that run from January to December, KIRKLAND & ELLIS tracks hours from July to June.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254302)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:01 PM
Author: spruce state

To prevent that problem of the past KIRKLAND & ELLIS now tracks hours from September to September.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254351)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:05 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

This does not, in and of itself, solve the problem. So instead of a new KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate getting shafted for six months, KIRKLAND & ELLIS only shafts him for three months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254390)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: spruce state

It's less of a shaft than before. If that lateral stays to make non-equity partner at KIRKLAND & ELLIS it all evens out because of he or she would get fully paid out for that money he left on the table.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254439)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Laterals are still getting shafted. And your posts aren't even making sense anymore. Truly a shame for KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254471)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:57 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

and you are basing this on what, gut feeling?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254320)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:03 PM
Author: spruce state

My KIRKLAND & ELLIS sources. Also there was a post on one of the greedy boards saying the same thing that laterals got 25k or so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254373)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:08 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

You have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254423)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:41 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

Come on. If you actually summered at KIRKLAND & ELLIS, you would know the 12-month rolling average billables across each practice area as of July.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254146)





Date: December 18th, 2006 9:41 PM
Author: Bateful Newt

this is big news?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253628)





Date: December 18th, 2006 10:10 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

yup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7253840)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:07 PM
Author: charismatic mental disorder

Heh, this thread was not the Troll's greatest performance. PrestigeWhore was a better opponent than Cravath3L.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254406)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:10 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

I was the best opponent because PrestigeWhore and Cravath3L are going to hasbeen firms, whereas I am joining the illustrious offices of KIRKLAND & ELLIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254446)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:13 PM
Author: spruce state

PrestigeWhore just makes stuff up about KIRKLAND & ELLIS and refuses to believe the facts. He has convinced himself that the KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is based on 200 hour increments and that someone billing 2200 gets paid the same as someone billing 2399 which is complete horeshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254472)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

You do not possess said "facts." If I were a senior attorney at KIRKLAND & ELLIS, I would not ask you to do work for me under KIRKLAND & ELLIS's free market system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254492)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:17 PM
Author: spruce state

The KIRKLAND & ELLIS grid is not based on 200 hour increments and that is a fact that anyone who has ever worked at KIRKLAND & ELLIS could easily know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254517)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

I agree with that, but you have none of the other "facts," like what KIRKLAND & ELLIS actually paid as bonuses.

In fact, the grid has two dimensions as KIRKLAND & ELLIS also takes class performance into account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254540)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: spruce state

I have several data points and some of the general information that they said at today's KIRKLAND & ELLIS meeting. I don't have all of the facts and nobody (including Greedy NY posters) except an equity partner with the grid in his hands has all the facts.

The grid at KIRKLAND & ELLIS takes class performance into account by making you 1 year ahead if you're above class and 2 years ahead if you're top of the class. 1st and 2nd years essentially all get with the class so it is largely irrelevant as a matter of practicality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254578)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:29 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

And this would explain why the means for the third years and up start to take off -- it's because the top of the class at KIRKLAND & ELLIS gets bumped up. Since these guys would be on the high end of their class, that skews the mean bonus for the right whereas the median bonus is lower.

The "average" third year at KIRKLAND & ELLIS making $15k above doesn't really exist. Probably, you have superstar third years making $30k above, and everyone else with the class at KIRLAND & ELLIS is making something more like $10k above.

That's great if you want to be a rockstar, but since rockstars are probably also working lots of hours, I don't think I really want that to be me.

In sum, KIRKLAND & ELLIS does pay higher market bonus, but for most people, the premium is not as high as you pretend it to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254622)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:33 PM
Author: spruce state

You are missing the point that KIRKLAND & ELLIS rewards hard work even if you're not a rockstar who gets rated above the class. The average KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate is working 2050-2100 and makes substantially above the market for the same work that he would do at a NYC hasebeen. And the KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate who works really hard (2300+) gets a bonus that shatters the market even if he is still rated with the class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254660)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

instead of using words like "substantially", why don't you quote actual numbers? What is it, 10k? 15k? 25k?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254684)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

If people at the top of the class are getting bonuses of the next year up or two years up, that explains why third year average bonuses at KIRKLAND & ELLIS are so high -- because they include the rock stars.

I bet that if you factor out the rock stars, KIRKLAND & ELLIS associates, are making $10k or $15k above market. That is great for KIRKLAND & ELLIS associates but it's not shattering the market.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254685)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:37 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I think he might think that 10k IS "shattering."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254700)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:39 PM
Author: spruce state

Keep rationalizing for your NYC hasbeen paying as much as firms you've never even heard of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254715)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:41 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Answer the question! Are you saying that 10 - 15k increase for the normal 3rd and 4th years is "shattering"? Stop with the nonsense proclimations. You claim to have inside info that I would like to know. Just tell me.

Wachtell is shattering to me. Goldman bonuses are shatteringly large over other ibanks. 15k for a 3rd/4th year lawyer isn't really shattering to me. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but I don't think that would be a huge consideration to me in picking firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254733)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:42 PM
Author: spruce state

A normal 3rd or 4th year at KIRKLAND & ELLIS is getting much more than 10-15K above market. Look at last year's numbers even. 10-15K is the norm for 1st and 2nd years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254746)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:46 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

OK. Do you know what that number is? You just said below that it was 11k for a second year, but that might include superstar bonuses. What is the number NOT INCLUDING PEOPLE GUNNING FOR PARTNER. That is what I care about. With your inside sources, make a small chart which has what someone at each class year billing 2100 hours makes at Kirkland. That would end the discussion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254781)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:48 PM
Author: spruce state

There isn't a "superstar bonus" and you don't seem to understand the fact that it isn't binary. You can look at last year's chart which has been posted all over this board for an example.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254809)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

There is a superstar bonus and you acknowledge it in an earlier post.

Date: December 18th, 2006 11:24 PM

Author: KirklandTroll

[...]

The grid at KIRKLAND & ELLIS takes class performance into account by making you 1 year ahead if you're above class and 2 years ahead if you're top of the class. 1st and 2nd years essentially all get with the class so it is largely irrelevant as a matter of practicality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254832)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: spruce state

As you said earlier it is two-dimensional. There isn't "superstar" and "non-superstar" as this guy thinks it is. There is "superstar bonus" "high biller bonus" "superstar and high biller bonus" etc etc etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254866)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:56 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

So someone who bills 2400 hours may not be considered a superstar? Some firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254890)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:04 AM
Author: spruce state

Correct. Your evaluation at KIRKLAND & ELLIS is based on the quality of your work and has absolutely nothing to do with how much you worked. At KIRKLAND & ELLIS they value being a superstar attorney and billing 2400 hours doesn't mean that you're doing work that is superior to your classmates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254972)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:24 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

OK... sounds like someone drank the kool-aid...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255119)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:27 AM
Author: spruce state

You really have a problem with the meritocracy part of KIRKLAND & ELLIS where work quality is valued and you have to do more than bill hours to make equity partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255139)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:37 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

I understand that work quality is important. But any suggestion that a superstar can get by without billing a ton of hours strikes me as highly implausible. Partners and associates make money by billing hours. There probably are a few exceptions, but as a general rule I think hours billed are a pretty good sign of who is a superstar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255195)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:55 AM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS you get a written evaluation from the people you do work for and they judge you based on the quality of your work without regard to hours billed. Yes I would agree that most superstars bill a lot of hours but there are lots of people doing lots of work who are decent but not the best people at the firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255345)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:59 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

Do you really think there are 1800 hour-billing superstars? I hope you didn't really buy into that this summer...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254913)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:02 AM
Author: spruce state

There are superstars billing 2100 because they're the brilliant types who are super-efficient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254956)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:05 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

You think there are so many of these people that you can't make a rough estimate based on your inside sources?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254976)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:12 AM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

They get figured out to be brilliant in their first and second years, and then get dumped on with work by all the partners who want them to work on their projects. Since they want to make partner, they do it.

Brilliant efficiency -> get dumped on -> bill lots of hours -> awesome bonus.

But efficiency does not equal increased revenues for the partners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255044)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:16 AM
Author: spruce state

The brilliant ones who also know how to play the system effectively turn down work and make themselves seem even more godlike and desirable to work for.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255064)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:17 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

You think this is a common thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255076)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

So you can't tell me what someone who bills 2100 hours gets? Is it not based on hours billed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254839)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: Mustard bonkers shitlib

Most firms with discretionary bonuses will say that quality as well as quantity of work will be considered (plus you may be on committees, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254865)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:55 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

There would still be a ballpark number. Someone with inside connections like KirklandTroll could make at least a rough estimate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254881)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:57 PM
Author: spruce state

Only an equity partner at KIRKLAND & ELLIS knows the exact numbers. KIRKLAND & ELLIS associates are only told their individual number and some generalized information about highs and lows and can only find out ballpark numbers by asking their colleagues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254900)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:59 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I don't need exact numbers - i am not auditing the firm. Rough estimates based on your inside info will do fine.

Are you claiming that billing is not related to bonuses closely enough to make a rough estimate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254920)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:07 AM
Author: spruce state

I am saying that I don't have enough information to make the nice little chart that you want. Hypothetically, I may know the numbers for a 1st year @ 1950, a 1st year @ 2400, a 2nd yr @ 2200, a 4th year @ 2700, a 5th yr @ 2100 and so on. That does not tell me enough to draw the nice little chart that you want and is not enough information to make a ballbark guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254991)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:14 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

so the information isn't good enough to make a chart, but it is good enough for you to claim that (1) the greedy post is wrong, and (2) the kirkland bonuses have SHATTERED the market?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255053)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:18 AM
Author: spruce state

I said that the Greedy post has some data points that are consistent with my numbers and other data points that I know to be incorrect. It also fucked up the low numbers because it doesn't know that those numbers were for laterals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255084)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:20 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

So a 2k premium over NY market for first years might be the right number, as far as you know?

What datapoints do you know to be incorrect? Is it possible those are outlier cases?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255098)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:23 AM
Author: spruce state

For one, the low numbers are totally wrong because of the laterals. The 1800, 1900 numbers all should look something like the NY market (35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60). My 1st and 2nd year numbers for average KIRKLAND & ELLIS associates (2050 is the average) seems to be more in the 10K-12K range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255118)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:26 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

OK, thanks. Do you have any numbers for 3rd and 4th years who bill 2050?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255134)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:29 AM
Author: spruce state

I know more of the junior people so my data at that point is more fuzzy and also when you get into those years you have more people who may or may not be above the class. So it is more difficult for me to piece the numbers together. It's clearly going to be more than the 1st 2nd yr numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255148)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:32 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

OK. Thanks. Sorry for making you draw it out, I just didn't know enough of the firm's system to understand what you were saying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255167)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:56 PM
Author: spruce state

The grids are not released at KIRKLAND & ELLIS. The only way to KNOW is to ask enough people so that you find someone in each class who billed 2100 hours. If you ask a 3rd year what his bonus is and he tells you what it was for the 2250 he billed, you can piece together that it might be for 2100 hours but there is no way to officially know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254888)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:58 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Great - i think you are basically saying you don't know. But you claimed that the greedy post was wrong. I would like to know what inside information you have that negates that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254906)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:01 AM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

I said that I have some data points but not all the data points. Some of the data points I have conflict with the greedy post. No KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate has all the data points The greedy post is obviously improvised based on some data points that he has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254941)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:08 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

Like I said, above, I am not auditing the firm so I don't need exact numbers. Perhaps all of your friends are brilling people who don't need to bill a lot. Perhaps your numbers are right on, perhaps the greedy post is right on. I don't think there is any possible way for you or me to know one way or the other. Just tell me what range you are getting. Any info would be useful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255004)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:11 AM
Author: spruce state

If someone is above the class they would get the same bonus as someone a year ahead of them. For example someone in 2002 who bills 2200 hours and is above the class gets paid the same as someone with the class in 2001 billing 2200 hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255037)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:16 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

i don't see what this has to do with my post, but ok. This is like skipping a grade in elementary school? How many people get to do this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255069)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:21 AM
Author: spruce state

Yes, essentially "above the class" lets you skip one grade and "top of the class" lets you skip two grades for bonus purposes but not partnership track. Nobody really knows how many people are above or top of the class unless certain people who get it brag about it which appears to be very unacceptable and tacky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255100)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:22 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

ok, this is getting complicated. I wonder if the 2400 hour bonus projection on greedy is meant to include this above the class stuff or not. I also wonder why they wouldn't let someone who is billing 2400 hours skip the class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255108)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:27 AM
Author: spruce state

You don't seem to understand that you aren't "top of the class" because you manage to bill 2400 hours and that doing so does not make you the best KIRKLAND & ELLIS lawyer in your class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255137)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:35 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

I do understand your argument. We fundamentally disagree on a key point - you seem to think that hours billed has nothing to do with whether you are classified as a superstar "above the class" or not. I simply cannot believe that. That isn't how any other major firm operates. While there may be one or two exceptions, I think, generally, superstars have to bill a lot of hours in order to get financially treated as superstars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255184)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:57 AM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS billing a lot of hours is generally necessary to be a superstar (with the exception being the brilliant people who can get away with billing a good amount), but is in no way sufficient to make you a superstar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255372)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:36 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254689)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:20 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I never claimed to have worked at K&E, and the reality that I got that detail confused doesn't make your claim that the bonuses were "shattering" any more legitimate.

Now, if you are right and the associates get market at 1800 hours, and get $1000 per 50 hours worked over that number, then the bonuses are a little better. But, I am not a math student, and I can only extend the hypothetical so far before my head hurts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254549)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:26 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

It is not a linear formula. You can look at last year's chart with the averages to see that the median KIRKLAND & ELLIS associate does substantially better than the market, and then realize that KIRKLAND & ELLIS shattered last year's numbers this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254595)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:28 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

how do you define "shatter" and "substantially better"? NYC total comp is more this year than it was last year, so the gap may have closed regardless of the fact that they are paying more...

Bascially you are saying the greedy post is wrong. What numbers are you getting?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254611)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:31 PM
Author: spruce state

Look at KIRKLAND & ELLIS's chart from last year which has been posted here many times. KIRKLAND & ELLIS announced today that they shattered last year's KIRKLAND & ELLIS numbers. It has nothing to do with total comp in any way you moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254636)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:34 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Ok, so you have no idea and just like saying "shattering" a lot. If they "shattered" by 2k, i'm unimpressed. I think any rational person would take the greedy post over your inside info which apparently isn't good enough for you to make your own chart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254663)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:37 PM
Author: spruce state

Last year the average 1st year at KIRKLAND & ELLIS got 8K over market and the average 2nd year got 11K over the market. People on Greedy are saying that there is a 25% increase over last year. That is shattering to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254694)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:40 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

by average, do you mean the median, or the average number, which includes superstars? What bonuses do the non-superstars make? According to the greedy post, that is 2k above market.

And, if you know all these kirkland associates and have all the inside info, why are you citing greedy posters? that suggests that you have no inside sources.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254721)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:45 PM
Author: spruce state

I posted this worldwide exclusive breaking news thread on KIRKLAND & ELLIS before any Greedy post so that should be testament enough to my insider information.

You are taking too much of a simplistic view of things. There aren't "superstars" and "non-superstars." The baseline is 1800 hours and with the class. If you're above the class or top of the class you get much more than market and if you are billing a ton of hours you get much more than the market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254777)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:47 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

Like I said above, make a chart with what people get who bill 2100 hours. If you know all this info, you should be able to do this. If you can't, you are just a troll with no knowledge and I'm going with greedy, which, according to what is posted above, says a 2k premium for 1st years and a 15k premium for 3rd / 4th years.

given that I have no idea what health / brokers fee payments / 401k plans these firms have, it very well might be a tie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254793)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:51 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Now you are claiming your NYC hasbeen is possibly as good as KIRKLAND & ELLIS because of health plans!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254824)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:53 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

No, I am saying I have no clue. 2k is not enough money to make a difference.

I am still waiting for the chart. Don't change the subject. What do people billing 2100 hours make? What did your inside sources tell you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254850)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:58 PM
Author: spruce state

I've answered that above about how the process works.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254912)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:01 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

Are you claiming that bonuses are not tied enough to hours to make a rough estimate? Or are you claiming that you just don't have enough information overall?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254938)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:09 AM
Author: spruce state

I am claiming that I don't have enough information. It differs for every class and for small hours increments and is not even linear so it is impossible to piece the entire grid together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255013)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:19 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

so the process is so complicated you can't even make a ballpark guess? how can you claim that they are shattering the market then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255089)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:54 PM
Author: vivacious patrolman stead

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Until this year, associates at KIRKLAND & ELLIS had to buy their own blackberries. So yes, it is quite possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254869)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:15 PM
Author: obsidian principal's office

i dont consider KirklandTroll an "opponent"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254497)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:22 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

I don't either. I'm actually just trying to figure this out. If they are shattering bonuses, they are shattering. But lets make sure they actually are shattering before we hype them up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254562)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:11 PM
Author: Diverse gaming laptop set

I heard kirkland paid each associate 25% of the firm's total revenue for 2006. That's how good last year was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254453)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:18 PM
Author: Diverse gaming laptop set

KIRKLAND & ELLIS has no chin. Under its beard is another fist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254521)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:21 PM
Author: Diverse gaming laptop set

Kirkland's tears can cure cancer. Too bad it has never cried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254556)





Date: December 18th, 2006 11:24 PM
Author: Diverse gaming laptop set

When Kirkland & Ellis has sex with a man, it is not because it is gay. It is because it has run out of women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7254575)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:15 AM
Author: Sinister well-lubricated yarmulke

Is this real? Can someone link to specific #s yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255059)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:31 AM
Author: spruce state

There will never be specific numbers that are official. KIRKLAND & ELLIS releases general information about the highs and lows and gives each person his number. Various data points are showing up on greedy and from me but any attempt to put it into a chart is pure speculation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255160)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:38 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

so claiming that the bonuses for normal associates "shatter the market" could be defined as pure speculation, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255204)





Date: December 19th, 2006 12:59 AM
Author: onyx genital piercing abode

This thread is the embodiment of why most lawyers are unhappy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255389)





Date: December 19th, 2006 1:02 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

Oh whatever. This thread was all about shtick. Bankers and accountants pull the same exact shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255408)





Date: December 19th, 2006 1:08 AM
Author: onyx genital piercing abode

Sure it was.

And comparing lawyers' 'happiness level' to those of bankers and accountants isn't exactly a stellar endorsement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255470)





Date: December 19th, 2006 1:11 AM
Author: nighttime point knife

So you don't think doctors, bank tellers, truck drivers, and farmers pull the same shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7255492)





Date: December 19th, 2006 5:09 AM
Author: Snowy partner

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7256486)





Date: December 19th, 2006 8:08 AM
Author: idiotic brethren

This thread seems to have SHATTERED KirklandTroll, which I heartily endorse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7256669)





Date: December 19th, 2006 9:52 AM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Read the entire thread and you will see that once again KIRKLAND & ELLIS shattered the market.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7256903)





Date: December 19th, 2006 4:17 PM
Author: misunderstood affirmative action property

Troll, what is the thing about not getting the bonus until June? Is this true? If so, maybe we should discount it at 6%/6months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7259408)





Date: December 19th, 2006 7:02 PM
Author: spruce state

*MISINFORMATION ALERT*

Market shattering KIRKLAND & ELLIS bonuses are paid in late December based on your hours from Sept 1 to Aug 31.

In the past you were paid a bonus in December based on your hours from July 1 to June 30 so it mean that people were leaving money in the table if they left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7260391)





Date: December 19th, 2006 7:05 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

you have an odd definition of "market shattering." That's all I have to say to you at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7260402)





Date: December 19th, 2006 7:11 PM
Author: spruce state

At KIRKLAND & ELLIS the run of the mill associate who is neither above the class nor a high biller gets $10-15K above the NY market in the first couple years and then more like $20-30K in the later years. And if you're great or work your ass off, you can get bonuses that are $70,000 *ABOVE* the NY market.

If that's not "market shattering," please tell me what this is and what market shattering is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7260430)





Date: December 19th, 2006 7:15 PM
Author: nighttime point knife

First of all, you are speculating. even if those numbers are right, I'd say it is above market.

What is market shattering? Wachtell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=548668&forum_id=2#7260439)