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Keep hearing U Chicago is horrible. Enjoyed visit. What to do?
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:42 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Subject: U Chicago's reputation: Myth? I enjoyed my visit to U Chicago's ASW. People there seemed a bit more socially awkward and reserved than the ones at the NYC schools, but they made up for it by being a hell of a lot nicer. I did not meet anybody that was intolerable, both among current students and admits. Everybody was willing to help without being overbearing or obnoxious.
Now, I've heard that U Chicago students tend to be insufferable douchebags and gunners. Not the kind that hides books in the library or refuses to let you see their notes, but I don't think any top law school has an abundance of these kids; they are probably concentrated more heavily at the lower ranked law schools anyway. There's been a lot of drama regarding U of C on xoxo (to be fair, the same goes for CLS with the 3L fed court BS and NYU's feminazi contingent). I couldn't find much evidence of d-bagness/gunnerism during my visit, but I was told that not many current students actually attended the event because of a brief due. If all or most of the d-bags and gunners stayed away from ASW, my impression of U of C could have been skewed.
I've also gotten a bad impression of the school from the poster known as MTG, with his overzealous defense of the school culminating in a "I can out you but I won't" threat on xoxo. A couple people at ASW also told me that the gossiping did sometimes get out of hand, and that because the social life revolved mostly around the law school, people didn't get to know too many people outside of the LS and even mostly dated from within. Some complained it was too 'high-schoolish,' but that is a common complaint I have heard elsewhere (though it seemed a bit worse at Chicago).
Is what I saw at U Chicago's ASW non-representative of the big picture? Do you agree or disagree with its reputation? Please offer advice, criticism, defense or attacks about the law school. With exactly 2 weeks remaining before seat deposits are due, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
PS: Please keep in mind that I tend to be a laid-back kinda guy. I also like to take things at face value and try to lead life in as simple a manner as possible. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: magical institution So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?
I had a great time at the visit too. You are right about the law school seeming like HS, but I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:51 PM Author: supple headpube you saw people on their best behavior.
what do you think is more representative--1 weekend or what people have said about UChi for decades? |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:52 PM Author: magical institution what like it was some kind of trick? if so, the rouse was well-executed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944463) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: Ocher shitlib weed whacker potemkinpwn3d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944730) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Gold Hissy Fit Wrinkle It's a good thing I saw the shit you pulled on Heide Iravani, else I might take what you have to say seriously.
I was really pleasantly surprised with ASW and the peeps I met there. Upon reflection I like the place even more. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: supple headpube you should go there, dood.
i'm just telling you that your school will be ranked behind NYU and CLS for the foreseeable future.
UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs and, of course, NYU and CLS are both going to pwn UCHI in cross-admits.
enjoy chicago, seriously. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth "UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs"
So Penn was not a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs last yuear, but now is? YFWGI. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:09 PM Author: supple headpube before, they would've been passing up a higher-ranked school. now, they aren't.
it makes the decision a lot easier.
this year, penn's yield in P vs CHI cross admits will rise.
similarily, NYU and CLS will continue to pwn CHI in cross admits. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth I can't believe I am taking the time to type this out, but: YFWGI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944609) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: Gold Hissy Fit Wrinkle Thank you for proving the point I made below.
What an insufferable cocksucker you are. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "you saw people on their best behavior." True, and that's what I'm worried about. Actually, I don't think I saw NYU people at their best behavior. I got a very ambivalent, I-don't-give-a-shit attitude when I visited, which makes it very hard for me to compare it to both CLS and Chi.
Do you know people at Chicago? |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?" Yes. For some reason CLS still hasn't gotten back to me about my finaid offer, but they told me I would receive final notification before the end of this week. NYU's finaid seat deposit, as many people on both xoxo and LSD have noted, is this Wednesday. I may end up narrowing my choice down to CLS vs Chicago by tomorrow. "You are right about the law school seeming like HS" One kid commented about how it reminded him of the small private high school he went to. "I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience." I got the same feeling, but I'm worried that the people running ASW were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and that I wasn't getting the full picture. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: Pearl apoplectic abode Dude, go to Chicago if you liked the visit. Look at the personalities of the people who post bad about it. Do they have similar personalities to your's?
You should know by now that two people at the same school taking similar classes etc, could have very different experiences, since they look for different things in life. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: supple headpube basically, do you think that you should have 100 pp of reading per class when 50 would really cover the topics in more depth than you'll ever actually need?
if so, go to UChi.
if you want to argue about ramifications of judge's minor comments in non-majority opinions, go to UChi.
if you want to go to a LS where everyone has a huge inferiority complex about not being at YSHNC, go to UChi.
if you want to be with people who aren't as smart as t5 law students but work harder, go to UChi
if you want to be in the midwest, not the coast, go to UChi.
HTFH |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: magical institution seriously, this post isn't helpful at all, unless you have experienced 1L year at Chicago and at NYU/Columbia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944522) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Gold Hissy Fit Wrinkle Okay, see stuff like this just pushes me further towards Chicago. Not because anything you say appeals to me, but because it's clear you're just lying out of some strange axe to grind.
From everything I've heard/see that I actually trust about the school, this is just utter horseshit pushed by people like you.
I came to ASW LOOKING for this to be true. But it just didn't seem to be. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth If you want to listen to Paulie Walnuts, you are a dipshit.
HTFH |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: Anal bright mexican big talk for a fordham grad -- if uchi grads have an inferiority complex, metaphorically you're cleaning the skidmarks off their underwear with your lips and tongue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945022) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:15 PM Author: supple headpube i got a better job than 90% of UChi grads.
HTH |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal But you won't have a better career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945417) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 11:35 AM Author: razzmatazz locale athletic conference I didn't know McDermott had made such a jump in the rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955283) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: magical institution It depends on you. I don't think the law students are really unhappy (I know a few students who go there full time). Obviously, you aren't getting the full picture. Once you're on the inside, it's going to be different.
It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved." The current students at the ASW were so-called slackers (and they were, since they were out partying with admits while their classmates were working on briefs), and even they talked about the law school, students, and professors a lot. It intrigued me and horrified me at the same time. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: Galvanic lay What did you expect them to talk about at a recruiting event, dood?
Seriously. Take a year of law school and see how much fascinating shit you have left to talk about. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I know, but I felt like it was worse at Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944851) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:46 AM Author: supple headpube How did it happen that making the tired claim that this ghetto shithole is UNDERrated became the signature conversation piece for people who desperately want to be thought smart; really, really smart. smart people love "rigor" and Chicago is full of it; it must be, what with its hair-splitting number grades, punishingly low enforced mean, and oppressive course load. Chicago boosterism usually comes in the form of a comparison with the appallingly UNrigorous Stanford or Yale -- gradeless, abundantly pass-fail, unserious; students who do nothing and know nothing. Chicago: graded, competitive, serious... That it's really just a ruptured ego rehab clinic for Harvard rejects is a fact not emphasized. I have seen a homely Chicago girl, deep into her second year, still spontaneously weeping upon Proustian recollections of the stiff NO Harvard sent her, in brisk three-week turnaround time from the point her doomed application was deemed complete. Happy December, chickiepoo. Then the Yale axe fell, as it does. Welcome to the New Year, dipshit. January passed; February crawled by with those joyless acceptances that only accentuated the horror of Plan B: Georgetown, which is a "Law Center," a failed euphemism if ever there was one. Next: woeful Cornell. Oh, what a very bad school. And -- what do we have here?!? -- a Boston University full-ride. Ummmm, no. On second thought in stead of BU I'd prefer the f free roasted dogshit mignon with a pus reduction sauce and a heaping blob of earwax garnish. Thank you no. I am woe. Add to that the fact that the imbecile whoalways posts about how Sean Hannity is a "serious thinker" just got into Harvard. Time for you to start some damage-control posting here, on the PR board, pretending to seriously consider this BU affront. You wave the flag of thrift and test out a quaintly anachronistic abhorrence of debt. Substantively, you add in some tommyrot about how BU's "really strong in ...'international law,' whatever the fuck that is. BU? Yeah, right. But you need something that gives the illusion that Georgetown, if it comes to that, isn't the three years incarcerated in a smegma chamber that it is. So good, so fine you'll drop the cash dollars despite that lovely gift from BU. You're forming a cover story; something to puff the very real and very nauseating prospect of joining 600 other defeated mediocrities at ... fuck, no ... Georgetown. And you thought going to college at Penn was bad. . Still, there are two more to hear from. Two more law schools ...There's that late April Stanford rejection (inconsiderate bastards) which at least affords you ample time to manufacture the next layer in the cover story: e.g., a strict policy against California, a suburban aversion, a preference for bigness, all of which eliminate Stanford from the sweepstakes. Be sure, too, to ridicule their tepid 25-75 LSAT %ile, too. Kill it dead, if you must. Maybe you thrust out of your frozen horror by sending off one of those strategic "withdrawal" letters, the way all those clowns do when Harvard puts them on hold ... ".you cant't fire me ... i quit! " Adios, Stanford. Suck my cunt, you no-SCOTUS-clerking/dike-dean-TTT. ... die, die, you gravy-sucking pig. .... and now, then, there is just one. Chicago. The Law School. Chicago does do that pathetic yield-maximizing stall, so February passes, March crawls. They haven't the nuts to try the ricockulous move Stanford does. So they write. Ever rigorous, The Law School requests the pleasure of your company. Not so fast . No decision has been made. They want to inspect you in person. The "evaluative interview. Looking for people skills. And evident thirst for knowledge. The life of the law is the law itself. It seems you've fucked up; quite possible3 when the went "behind the numbers." Maybe those two essay paragraphs about why the 171, exactly where you topped out in Kaplan, is a truer measure than the 164. maybe it was two paragraphs too many. You weren't an auto-admit. So off to the "evaluative interview," and you give them not much to evaluate. You stay on message, though: owing to its RIGOR, Chicage is now, and ever was, your FIRST CHOICE. Tell your audience what it wants to hear. Then they decide, engaging the only evaluation that matters in this gig. Looks like they can break even with your sorry ass. Median-wise, your 171 nullifies the 159 URM from Howard they took yesterday. They'll swallow your 3.46; sometimes that's the price of a yield-lock, and you're that. (No one's swallowing the Howard guy, if you catch my racy double entendre.) These admissions guys talk, as you suspected, and you wisely decide against telling them it had come down to Chicago or Harvard for you; first versus second choice; no choice at all. Never get caught lying. Bad idea, even worse than telling that stupid girl from Emory you were "a Kennedy." These things get found out. Like they say, no sense lying about your cock size. Turns out you didn't need to fake a bidding war. The usual stampede of all Chicago's best admitees are going to Y and H and S without so much as the courtesy of telling C to go pound sand. Why tell them what they already know? They need to fill place #143 of their famously teeny-weenie class. The assumed occupant got unheld at Harvard this morning; never so relieved, he had the audacity to ask Chicago for his deposit back. They don't need these headaches. You're in. They write, very pleased to offer admission; then a recital of just how "keen" the competition was for the few precious "seats" in the class of 2006; and, finally, a paragraph celebrating the legal profession with a toploftiness and richly felt purpose so precisely at variance with reality that you are unsettled by the suspicion that you might be the target of a satire so subtly corrosive that you will never connect it with the despair that will progress, exponentially; beginning as a persistent annoyance progressing into a pervasive physical and mental crapulence and ending in the crippling burden as lumber and writhe and tumble toward the epiphany. What epiphany is that? That this "career" of yours --BIGLAW! -- has somewhat less to recommend it than residence in the "shoe" at Pelican Bay. For now, though, the seed of tragic hopelessness finds expression in the "Law Discussion Area." You post -- IN AT CHICAGO -- and, without overtly lying, you manufacture the entirely erroneous impression that you "chose" Chicago, being also the originator of the CHICAGO v. HARVARD and YALE v. CHICAGO threads, under various of your insipid monikers, all selected from either Pulp Fiction or Friends. Be careful not to ass fuck your credibility, though. The purported Yale turn-down is a tough one to pull off. The "New Haven's-an-armpit" trope just doesn't pass the ha-ha test. It's too puny a reason to toss away a lifetime of being supposed a genius ... fuck it: always good to give your fabrications a little populist tint, not to mention a dollop of truth. Join the commiseration thread of Yale rejects; pretend to be sad for that Nuisance turd; be one of the masses for once. Getting rejected isn't the same thing as not getting in, You merely did not get in. You claim to have been wait-listed; and, with admirable maturity, you hold out no hope. Remember, too, this lie must be built on several fronts. Lard up the Harvard thread with grave concern about big classes, low morale, faculty acrimony, and speculation about a precipitous US News ranking drop. Throughout April, you go political, fulminating about Tribe and Dershowitz and how Duncan Kennedy drives a far-too-expensive car. to be a genuine socialist. Chicago's "conservative climate" is just a better fit for you; marginal cost curves figure in your every analytical moment; you read Posner opinions on the crapper; Coase is as important as Socrates. There is that little stinging glitch, though. Somehow Stanford neglected to process that request to quash your application, which is not favorably acted upon and this is memoriaized in a letter that suggests the Stanford Admissions Office ignores their LaserWriter Pro's TONER LOW warning. On May 7th they regret to inform and wish you well at any of the scores of other law schools that, they assure you "offer excellent programs of legal instruction." (Which, you have no doubt, they do. What they don't offer, is really the only important thing Stanford does offer: the opportunity to sit for three years with your thumb up your ass, comatose, and still get the job you'll have to bust nuts to get coming from whichever craphole you end up at.) It's sealed. An ugly, styleless maroon CHICAGO LAW, Champion sweatshirt has arrived, per your online order. You wear it, eliciting congratulations from the babe you want to rail. She's so happy for you, and you're so wrapped up in the fantasy of creaming on her tits you nearly miss perky aside that her boyfriend remains in the throes of elation from his admission to Yale, back in January. Throughout the summer, you bookmark links that embody the wisdom US News lacks. Your are heading off, soon, to your own first choice, which also places first in a ranking produced by the rigorous methodology conceived by a statistician from the University of Maryland Baltimore County. That Harvard tied for #14 undermines your confidence in the ranking diminishes the likelihood it will supplant US News' preeminence. So you go. Your Hyde Park apartment is actually rather nice. Your housemate went to Harvard College. One night, instead of jacking off before sleep, you register as an active component of your self-conception the notion that, transitively, your housemate's undergraduate credential nullifies the Harvard rejection that left you lusterless and unlaid at your senior prom, -- and has persisted as a gnawing ache, going on five years. You are now on equal footing with a Harvard graduate. Should your law school prowess exceed his -- say a 75 in Torts to his 74 -- you will once and for all flick away the scab of that Harvard wound. First cut is the deepest. As it turns out, your housemate is an engaging, witty fellow. He's porking the big bosomed lady with the Dutch accent. Wow! He offers to you, his new chum, the story of his own execution -- by lethal injection -- as expected, he painlessly relates, by the HLS admission staff. You pretend to explore what might have caused things to go awry, flatulating the usual fatuousness about Harvard being excessively "numbers driven," the "arbitrariness" of it all, dangling the threat of going on at some length, when he offers up the only information you genuinely care to know about him: : 178/3.34 ..Of course some one will inevitably have the 6th percentile college GPA in every HLS class; probably not a white guy from Greenwich, though. Friendship is built through reciprocity. So you tell your own story. You attempt to weave compassion into the telling of your story, being careful not to appear boastful about not just possessing, but discarding something he does not possess. HLS. Dreamy, So, your story: the grueling back-and-forth ... one day it's Chicago, the next Harvard; the hardest decision you've ever made; that feeling of immense responsibility to yourself; discovering and summoning the emotional maturity to pierce the specious veil that is prestige. With the bearing of a battle weary soldier you tell what it is to do something rarely done -- circumnavigate the Earth, dunk a basketball on a regulation hoop, turn down Harvard Law School . You picked Chicago. You chose, you adorable little existentialist. You are not exposed, chiefly because this a shared lie, Community glue. (Postscript: Throughout the 1Lyear you and your housemate discover much commonality, He, too, prefers the Stones to the Beatles. You both smoke pot. neither is circumcised. You've each fucked 5 girls; gotten head from several others. Each of you applies to transfer. He gets into HLS. He turns down Harvard Law School. Of course no two people are exactly alike. Your desire to transfer wanes around the time Stanford and Yale's decisions on your transfer applications reach you by mail. You begin the CHIGAGO 1L TAKING QUESTIONS thread. One of your alter ego monikers asks simply: how do you like Chicago. You love it. You wouldn't go anywhere else and, you note, there were other places you could have gone. Same for your housemate. He transfers to Yale.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953646) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:39 PM Author: Smoky frisky hall indirect expression Subject: the truth What I hate about the UChicago: 1. parking. If you're not a supernerd there at 7:30, you park in the ghetto, and it still takes 15 minutes to find a parking spot. 2. the construction. What's left of the library is packed, the green lounge doesn't have enough working plugins for laptops, and the mid-century chairs downstairs are not comfortable. You ILs are especially getting screwed. 3. the douchebaggery. but it's limited to a few people, almost all of whom post on here. 4. the gossip. but from what I see on here, it's at other schools, too. And, lots of people have things to talk about besides other people. 5. hyde park doesn't completely blow, but mostly it does. It does have a nice nerdy feel to it, with little bookshops, etc., and it's very diverse, which is nice, but no nightlife and shitty grocery and restaurant options for the most part. 6. the akwardness. not pervasive, but it's just that the gunners are more visible because they talk a lot. (but sometimes, they have interesting things to say.) Ok. What I love about it. 1. the education. do not take this for granted. the professors are amazing, and the other students will challenge you. the professors are mostly approachable, and if you care, so do they. 2. the education. do not underestimate this. 3. the cost of living in chicago is way lower than in new york. you're gonna spend most of your time studying anyway, so take the money you saved and travel on the breaks, which at winter is 3 weeks. less debt is nice. 4. Chicago as a city is awesome. Not as crowded as new york, lots of green space, it's a well-designed city with everything wonderful. the weather is not LA, but neither is new york. see weather now. 5. the people here are mostly cool and interesting. i like pretty much everyone i talk to. 6. employers love chicago, and almost everybody gets a great job so easily it's ridiculous. 7. late fall start means weeks off at the end of summer. SWeet.
Clearly, 7 > 6. Therefore, Chicago is a good choice. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth "2. the construction. What's left of the library is packed, the green lounge doesn't have enough working plugins for laptops, and the mid-century chairs downstairs are not comfortable. You ILs are especially getting screwed. "
I'm sure this is shitty for current students, but supposedly this will all be done for next year's crop of 1Ls and it should be quite nice when it's finished. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: Magenta messiness cool post, thx (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944854) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal I troll for chicago on this board because I went there, but will take a step back from my typical aggressive posture where I rail on idiots who think NYU is a better school to say, I had the same worries when I was choosing between UC and NYU, I had three really awesome years in Chicago - the place is rigorous, people are serious about their work, but there are plenty of really cool people, and there are always parties people going out etc. - life is normal - people are just really smart- if you're worried about being stuck in a hell of socially maladjusted law and econ theorists for three years, stop worrying- I liked my undergrad, but enjoyed myself even more in law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944853) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:18 PM Author: tantric chest-beating stage jewess . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945114) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7956205) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:22 PM Author: spectacular home preventive strike I have degrees from Chicago. While none is from the law school, I can tell you that it, just like the rest of the university, is intensely intellectual; this reflects the fact that the law school faculty publish more per capita than any other law school.
I also know some graduates who ended up clerking at the supreme court. They are great people whose intellectual honesty is extraordinary.
In my view, for intellectual intensity, I believe that Yale and Stanford match Chicago. At least those are the only schools I would consider choosing over Chicago. Small, intimate, intense. Gotta love it. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:31 PM Author: tantric chest-beating stage jewess . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945199) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:05 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault <reposted below> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946589) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: supple headpube http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mtgno6.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951425) |
Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button How do you feel about intellectual rigor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:57 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Not sure I really saw any of that when I visited various classes. Contrary to my expectations, the students didn't seem outrageously intelligent. The profs were a completely different story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944491) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: supple headpube YFWGI
but really, intellectual rigor=/=outragous intelligence. it = douchebag mentality that "good" law schools means TONS more reading that is really necessary and hashing out MINOR points of cases for 3x as long as would be spent at a normal law school.
that said, if that level of detail is what you want, UChi is probably the place for you. if you want to learn how Law works IRL, enjoy CLS or NYU.
HTH |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: charismatic narrow-minded dilemma yeah, it sounds like the OP would be better off at CLS or NYU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944502) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: supple headpube you assume the OP is actually laid-back, etc.
he brought up intellectual rigor... tells me he might be a gunnerific douchebag in disguise. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:08 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy umber giraffe Subject: complete flame re reading load I have 20 pages per class on a bad night. Trademarks has about 7 pages per class, contracts has 10-12...
HTH |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "he brought up intellectual rigor..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: roffles roffles
How do you feel about intellectual rigor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- O RLY? |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: sienna persian as a 1L at chicago, I can say that it's a pretty positive experience. the students are smart overall, but 1L's are pretty bogged down in memo writing and at this point in the year the overall attention level that most students have towards class has decreased somewhat.
the professors and career opportunities are very good, and chicago is itself a great city.
hyde park isn't the best place in the world but if you are careful it's fairly safe and it's right on the lake front which is nice.
overall it's law school. it won't be great anywhere but it's a pretty good experience here and i would recommend it. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:20 PM Author: tantric chest-beating stage jewess . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945136) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: supple headpube dude, just go to CHI.
hopefully you'll love it.
if you were really laid-back, though, you'd probably want to go a school in a better city with classmates who were more likely to have picked their school (NYU or CLS) over UChi and are just plain happier intead of trying to prove how hardworking they are. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Okay, I get your point. Now would you please keep the flame level down so that other people can respond too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944721) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: Galvanic lay Well, it's true that the kids who show up to ASW self-select to a significant degree. That said, they're still students! They'll be here when you get here, they'll be some of the kids you'll have a chance to interact with.
When I came to ASW at Chicago, I was really impressed with the students and how nice they were, but I was really, really turned off by the douchebaggery of a lot of the other prospectives. A TON of posturing was going on. A disproportionate number of those posturing 0Ls? Didn't end up here. So it seems like Chicago is able to drive at least the worst douchebags away.
As for douchebaggery at Chicago? I think it's kind of exaggerated on xoxo. I don't know how to explain MTG's outburst, really; normally he's a really nice, generous guy, it just seems like he slipped up but didn't want to admit it. Really, the idea that we're all douchebags here comes from the NYU and CLS trolls. And I don't even know where this 100/page a night thing came from. It's completely untrue.
I don't know, man. Chicago's biggest demerit is probably its location, not its student body. I find myself surrounded by lots of bright, unique individuals who aren't just so fucking fascinated with themselves and their future preftigious careers. I'd say for you to just go with your gut; you'll end up happy wherever you go. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth Could you give some examples of this posturing? MOST of the other prospective students I met weren't bad. I met a very small number of douchebag prospectives, and very few douchebag current students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944703) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch What he's saying could be true. The d-bag prospectives that stood out in my mind (and still do) were usually kids that, by Saturday, had committed to going elsewhere (H, Y, and CLS).
Come to think of it, a few prospectives I absolutely hated have also committed to Chi, so that isn't completely true. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth This seems pretty credited now that I think about it. I believe one kid who was a gigantic douchebag had been accepted to Yale. Then again, I met someone else who was accepted to Yale who wasn't a douche, even though that Y acceptance made it pretty obvious he wasn't going to end up at Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944789) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Galvanic lay Well, a LOT of kids were talking about their portfolio of admission offers. Comparing, contrasting. I mean, why don't you just whip it out and get it over with? A lot of annoying talk about comparing JD/MBA programs (Harvard? Chicago?). The HORROR of having to choose. There was the girl who asked the question about international law at the town hall with the Dean, too. "Blah, blah, I want to take nineteen international law courses but I can't here, blah, blah." Oh, and then there was that insufferable prick from Chicago (the city) with an admission to Yale. "I'm just coming for the food." God, what a faggot he was. Etc., etc.
Maybe it was more of a feel thing, but I was relieved not to recognize most of the faces I saw at orientation. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "Well, a LOT of kids were talking about their portfolio of admission offers." You mean they would go through every single offer they got? The people I talked to mostly just talked about the top 2 or 3 schools they were considering. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: Galvanic lay *shrugs* Enough that it was clear it was a pissing contest. Why would 0Ls talk to one another about their options? There really didn't seem to be any need for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944930) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: supple headpube Subject: Preserved for posterity. Date: April 16th, 2007 8:42 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta Subject: U Chicago's reputation: Myth?
I enjoyed my visit to U Chicago's ASW. People there seemed a bit more socially awkward and reserved than the ones at the NYC schools, but they made up for it by being a hell of a lot nicer. I did not meet anybody that was intolerable, both among current students and admits. Everybody was willing to help without being overbearing or obnoxious.
Now, I've heard that U Chicago students tend to be insufferable douchebags and gunners. Not the kind that hides books in the library or refuses to let you see their notes, but I don't think any top law school has an abundance of these kids; they are probably concentrated more heavily at the lower ranked law schools anyway. There's been a lot of drama regarding U of C on xoxo (to be fair, the same goes for CLS with the 3L fed court BS and NYU's feminazi contingent). I couldn't find much evidence of d-bagness/gunnerism during my visit, but I was told that not many current students actually attended the event because of a brief due. If all or most of the d-bags and gunners stayed away from ASW, my impression of U of C could have been skewed.
I've also gotten a bad impression of the school from the poster known as MTG, with his overzealous defense of the school culminating in a "I can out you but I won't" threat on xoxo. A couple people at ASW also told me that the gossiping did sometimes get out of hand, and that because the social life revolved mostly around the law school, people didn't get to know too many people outside of the LS and even mostly dated from within. Some complained it was too 'high-schoolish,' but that is a common complaint I have heard elsewhere (though it seemed a bit worse at Chicago).
Is what I saw at U Chicago's ASW non-representative of the big picture? Do you agree or disagree with its reputation? Please offer advice, criticism, defense or attacks about the law school. With exactly 2 weeks remaining before seat deposits are due, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
PS: Please keep in mind that I tend to be a laid-back kinda guy. I also like to take things at face value and try to lead life in as simple a manner as possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944407)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: redaction stamp
So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?
I had a great time at the visit too. You are right about the law school seeming like HS, but I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944444)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:51 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you saw people on their best behavior.
what do you think is more representative--1 weekend or what people have said about UChi for decades?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944454)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:52 PM Author: redaction stamp
what like it was some kind of trick? if so, the rouse was well-executed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944463)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: CCNzeroL
It's a good thing I saw the shit you pulled on Heide Iravani, else I might take what you have to say seriously.
I was really pleasantly surprised with ASW and the peeps I met there. Upon reflection I like the place even more.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944507)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you should go there, dood.
i'm just telling you that your school will be ranked behind NYU and CLS for the foreseeable future.
UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs and, of course, NYU and CLS are both going to pwn UCHI in cross-admits.
enjoy chicago, seriously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944532)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: Teen
"UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs"
So Penn was not a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs last yuear, but now is? YFWGI.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944538)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:09 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
before, they would've been passing up a higher-ranked school. now, they aren't.
it makes the decision a lot easier.
this year, penn's yield in P vs CHI cross admits will rise.
similarily, NYU and CLS will continue to pwn CHI in cross admits.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944553)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: Teen
I can't believe I am taking the time to type this out, but: YFWGI
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944609)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: CCNzeroL
Thank you for proving the point I made below.
What an insufferable cocksucker you are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944540)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"you saw people on their best behavior."
True, and that's what I'm worried about. Actually, I don't think I saw NYU people at their best behavior. I got a very ambivalent, I-don't-give-a-shit attitude when I visited, which makes it very hard for me to compare it to both CLS and Chi.
Do you know people at Chicago?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944666)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?"
Yes. For some reason CLS still hasn't gotten back to me about my finaid offer, but they told me I would receive final notification before the end of this week. NYU's finaid seat deposit, as many people on both xoxo and LSD have noted, is this Wednesday. I may end up narrowing my choice down to CLS vs Chicago by tomorrow.
"You are right about the law school seeming like HS"
One kid commented about how it reminded him of the small private high school he went to.
"I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience."
I got the same feeling, but I'm worried that the people running ASW were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and that I wasn't getting the full picture.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944485)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: Poetic dreamer (Whether Beauty be found in mathematics or a flower)
Dude, go to Chicago if you liked the visit. Look at the personalities of the people who post bad about it. Do they have similar personalities to your's?
You should know by now that two people at the same school taking similar classes etc, could have very different experiences, since they look for different things in life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944497)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
basically, do you think that you should have 100 pp of reading per class when 50 would really cover the topics in more depth than you'll ever actually need?
if so, go to UChi.
if you want to argue about ramifications of judge's minor comments in non-majority opinions, go to UChi.
if you want to go to a LS where everyone has a huge inferiority complex about not being at YSHNC, go to UChi.
if you want to be with people who aren't as smart as t5 law students but work harder, go to UChi
if you want to be in the midwest, not the coast, go to UChi.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944508)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: redaction stamp
seriously, this post isn't helpful at all, unless you have experienced 1L year at Chicago and at NYU/Columbia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944522)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: CCNzeroL
Okay, see stuff like this just pushes me further towards Chicago. Not because anything you say appeals to me, but because it's clear you're just lying out of some strange axe to grind.
From everything I've heard/see that I actually trust about the school, this is just utter horseshit pushed by people like you.
I came to ASW LOOKING for this to be true. But it just didn't seem to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944524)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Teen
If you want to listen to Paulie Walnuts, you are a dipshit.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944528)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: redaction stamp
It depends on you. I don't think the law students are really unhappy (I know a few students who go there full time). Obviously, you aren't getting the full picture. Once you're on the inside, it's going to be different.
It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944514)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: roffles roffles
How do you feel about intellectual rigor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:57 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Not sure I really saw any of that when I visited various classes. Contrary to my expectations, the students didn't seem outrageously intelligent. The profs were a completely different story.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944491)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
YFWGI
but really, intellectual rigor=/=outragous intelligence. it = douchebag mentality that "good" law schools means TONS more reading that is really necessary and hashing out MINOR points of cases for 3x as long as would be spent at a normal law school.
that said, if that level of detail is what you want, UChi is probably the place for you. if you want to learn how Law works IRL, enjoy CLS or NYU.
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944498)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: maximinusthrax
yeah, it sounds like the OP would be better off at CLS or NYU
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944502)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you assume the OP is actually laid-back, etc.
he brought up intellectual rigor... tells me he might be a gunnerific douchebag in disguise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944517)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:08 PM Author: juliensorel Subject: complete flame re reading load
I have 20 pages per class on a bad night. Trademarks has about 7 pages per class, contracts has 10-12...
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944546)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: alex12
as a 1L at chicago, I can say that it's a pretty positive experience. the students are smart overall, but 1L's are pretty bogged down in memo writing and at this point in the year the overall attention level that most students have towards class has decreased somewhat.
the professors and career opportunities are very good, and chicago is itself a great city.
hyde park isn't the best place in the world but if you are careful it's fairly safe and it's right on the lake front which is nice.
overall it's law school. it won't be great anywhere but it's a pretty good experience here and i would recommend it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944581)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
dude, just go to CHI.
hopefully you'll love it.
if you were really laid-back, though, you'd probably want to go a school in a better city with classmates who were more likely to have picked their school (NYU or CLS) over UChi and are just plain happier intead of trying to prove how hardworking they are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944574)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: simphear
Well, it's true that the kids who show up to ASW self-select to a significant degree. That said, they're still students! They'll be here when you get here, they'll be some of the kids you'll have a chance to interact with.
When I came to ASW at Chicago, I was really impressed with the students and how nice they were, but I was really, really turned off by the douchebaggery of a lot of the other prospectives. A TON of posturing was going on. A disproportionate number of those posturing 0Ls? Didn't end up here. So it seems like Chicago is able to drive at least the worst douchebags away.
As for douchebaggery at Chicago? I think it's kind of exaggerated on xoxo. I don't know how to explain MTG's outburst, really; normally he's a really nice, generous guy, it just seems like he slipped up but didn't want to admit it. Really, the idea that we're all douchebags here comes from the NYU and CLS trolls. And I don't even know where this 100/page a night thing came from. It's completely untrue.
I don't know, man. Chicago's biggest demerit is probably its location, not its student body. I find myself surrounded by lots of bright, unique individuals who aren't just so fucking fascinated with themselves and their future preftigious careers. I'd say for you to just go with your gut; you'll end up happy wherever you go.
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button Why all the Chicago hate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944810) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:41 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth Becuase he's some of the worst flame on the board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944826) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: Gold Hissy Fit Wrinkle From what I've seen of this guy, he does three things: out people, claim to be powerful and important, and hate on UChicago. I have no idea how these three things are related, but its obviously clear he's just regurgitating cliches about the school without knowing the first thing about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944858) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:37 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I guess what I'd like is to hear from people both happy and unhappy with Chicago (and their reasons for feeling the way they do) who aren't known Chicago trolls. Some of you have already posted and I thank you for doing so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944778) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: vigorous slimy milk mother i'm a current chicago student and i'm glad i chose to go here.
here's what i think is good about chicago: 1) i'm a very lazy student, but very curious. chicago is great for that because there's often something interesting going on but i don't need to either look hard for it or really do any work to attend/participate. 2) i'm a very lazy student, but want lots of job options. chicago's reputation for "rigor" or whatver ensures that my employment opportunities are fantastic. 3) the small student body means people pretty much have to deal with each other. this is good because it means different people from different social, political, etc. groups interact. i like it that way.
here's what i don't like: 1) the small student body means people pretty much have to deal with each other. some days, i really just want certain fuckers to stfu. 2) the weather could be better. to be fair, the weather is pretty shit at all top law schools save stanford and boalt. 3) hyde park is not the most exciting place in the world. it is cheap, though. the good news is that many just move up north for 2L and 3L years, and chicago itself is a great city.
i think a lot of people choose chicago because of intanglibles like the "vibe" they got here. no doubt that is also why a lot of people choose CN or even PVM over chicago. whether the place is right for you depends on your interests and priorities, but you already know that. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:58 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Thanks man, I just saw this. Good post.
I got a good vibe at all three when I visited. Makes my decision tough. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal I troll for chicago on this board because I went there, but will take a step back from my typical aggressive posture where I rail on idiots who think NYU is a better school to say, I had the same worries when I was choosing between UC and NYU, I had three really awesome years in Chicago - the place is rigorous, people are serious about there work, but there are plenty of really cool people, and there are always parties people going out etc. - life is normal - people are just really smart- if you're worried about being stuck in a hell of socially maladjusted law and econ theorists for three years, stop worrying- I liked my undergrad, but enjoyed myself even more in law school.
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button Why'd you edit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944839) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal I read over the part where I yell on the NYU trolls and thought it sounded a little too douchey in context - I really do think that this person will enjoy the place, so I didn't want to scare her off by giving an aggressive verbal beat down to the NYU trolls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944865) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button Why all the NYU h8, dood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944963) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:08 PM Author: Costumed maize son of senegal I suppose the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that the way in which NYU trolls make claims that NYU is better than Chicago demonstrates the opposite; US news is just some crummy magazine - when this magazine is your law schools only claim to greatness, you don't go to a good school - you point this out to NYU trolls and they say "yeah but were ranked 4th in US news so we're better" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945050) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:14 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I found that Chicago students hated NYU more than any other law school. It's a pretty good school, and I just couldn't understand the animosity. There was also a fair amount of Penn bashing after current students had some drinks, but NYU was by far the most popular target or ridicule.
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: Galvanic lay I wonder who these kids are. I don't understand this purported animosity, either, but then again I've never heard of Chicago students bashing on NYU in any systematic way. Were they 2L's? They seem to be an abnormally douchey group, relatively speaking.
Personally, I hope the ranking foibles of Chicago might knock some sense into us and get us off the rankings. Yeah, they're a modern reality of the legal market these days, but there's no point in dwelling on it after you're admitted. It's just a perennial source of unnecessary stress. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: mauve heaven "It's just a perennial source of unnecessary stress."
If this is true you are an enormous douche. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:08 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button No kidding. If your school was good when you enrolled, it will be good when you graduate--barring some catastrophe that you don't need a magazine to tell you about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945464) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: Cerise cruise ship factory reset button I don't quite see why this is such a sensitive issue for you. Who cares what the NYU trolls say? Ranting about NYU just makes you look like a bitter asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945128) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:27 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Agree 100%. Seems like Chicago is a niche school anyway. Why should the ranking matter so much as long as Chicago is among the top 5 or 6 (or 7, you get the point) schools in the nation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945179) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: Motley Out-of-control Ladyboy Keepsake Machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944842) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Thanks Nick. I like both Chicago and New York. Very different cities, but I found that there's a lot to like in both. Doesn't help my decision, but it's nice to know that I probably *won't* hate the place I'll eventually end up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944898) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: Motley Out-of-control Ladyboy Keepsake Machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944910) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:41 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Friday's weather was pretty good. Is it normally even better than that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945278) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Buck-toothed Vibrant Pisswyrm Someone like OP to that UChicago catfight from the other night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944885) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944892) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel [bug] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944965) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:16 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch 6' 185 lbs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945106) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: Appetizing temple idea he suggested I can't speak to U Chicago's rep as a bastion of gunners/douchebags, but Hyde Park's rep as sketchy is pretty accurate. My friend's brother went to U Chi for LS (graduated in early 90's, so maybe HP is better now, but I doubt it based on when I went through last year), and while eating in a McDonald's in HP he saw a drug deal go down just outside the window. The dealer saw him, made eye contact, finished his deal, and then came inside and sat across from him. The dealer glared at him, and motioned like he had a gun under the table (my friend's bro wasn't keen on looking under to double check) and said "if you tell a single person, I'll fucking kill you." Looks like you're more likely to experience rigor mortis than intellectual rigor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944951) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:32 PM Author: grizzly public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945210) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad that's a stupid anecdote. if the deal was small, the "dealer" wouldnt give a fuck if your brother's bigmac-ing ass "made eye contact" with him, let alone issue a death threat. if it was for actual weight, it would be in an apartment, not in front of some ghetto mcdonalds where lots of cops probably lurk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945650) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:37 PM Author: Appetizing temple idea he suggested i dont care what kind of logic you want to impose on the story, but it's how it happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945694) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:29 AM Author: Bonkers aromatic stag film windowlicker hahaha, titcr. He witnessed the guy sell a gram of weed to a teen in a McDonalds parking lot, I don't think his life was in danger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947340) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: Avocado Vivacious Point Did you visit NU and see their vastly better location? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945120) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:33 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I heard about it from several students at the ASW. They were still committed to NU after the event, so I guess the location must be pretty sweet. I didn't apply to NU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945224) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:58 AM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster If you need to imply that UC loses significant numbers of cross-admits to NU, and apparently you do, post stats with cites to back it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947038) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:30 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "If you need to imply that UC loses significant numbers of cross-admits to NU, and apparently you do" That's not what I was implying at all. I only met around 2-3 NU cross-admits, but they were all still committed to NU even after visiting UC. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:55 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Then you're relying on atypical incidents which have no probative value. Either way, you're relying on faulty logic to make your desperate points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949418) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:32 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I am NOT making any kind of points you d-bag. Seriously, get out of my thread troll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950068) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:37 PM Author: supple headpube ya, that guy should leave this thread to the Chicago trolls who have made it soooo obvious that Chicago really isn't a school full of gunnerific social retards! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950101) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Look, if you want to be an anti-Chicago troll at least make it informative. Otherwise you're not really achieving your goal, which seems to be to persuade me not to go there. I'm already teetotaling on the fence, so you don't need to try so hard or be so blatant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950155) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: supple headpube i could care less where you go.
i simply love laughing at the concerted efforts of UChi people to troll for their school and assert assinine things like how they chose UChi over CLS or Harvard, etc. or how NYU sucks or the education at Chicago is significantly different from that at any top LS (Hint: its not)
its an illusion and its pathetic you buy into all their trolling
that said, please pick Chi over NYC, UChi over NYU and CLS... then come back here and post so i can laugh my ass off at how stupid you were. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:31 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster For your theory to have any validity, a defferent lead off message is required. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950479) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:20 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Save your indignation for the alleged questioners supposedly torn between Penn and Northwestern. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951105) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:35 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Subject: You got that right "I am NOT making any kind of points..."
True, but it's not for lack of effort.
Someone -legitimately- looking for information wouldn't try to throw posters out of "his thread". |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch You haven't said one useful thing in this thread. Instead, you became infuriated when I said that I talked to a few students who wanted to go to NU over U of C. They exist. These people are not magical beings or figments of my imagination. I personally didn't even apply to NU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951339) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 10:00 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster No surprise that the concept eludes you but flushing out bogus posters is useful to some. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951799) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:50 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Renattta, I just want to point out that actual UChicago students don't really care about NU vs. UChicago competition, or [X school] vs. UChicago competition for that matter. NU is a great school - I was literally on my way to the post office to drop off my seat deposit for them when UofC called me to let me off the WL - and I could see why someone would end up choosing them over us. ($$$, location, dislike for Chicago's unique approach to law, etc.)
But if you liked what you saw here during ASW, I want to assure you that it wasn't a crafty illusion, it was real. To be sure, there are douchebags, gunners, nerds (hell, I likely qualify as all three), but the people you met during your visit are NOT the only ones who are like that. There's no denying that you get a different experience here than you would at NYU or CLS, and there's nothing wrong with factoring that into your decisionmaking. But if the "Chicago experience" as you encountered it appealed to you, I guarantee it's not a Potemkin image.
I don't know who you are (maybe you saw me or talked to me, but I wouldn't know), but I hope to see you here next year. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 2:02 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Everyone saw you dude. With that level of rock music knowledge, even people on LSD figured out who you are. I think I even saw that guy with the blog that had the infamous 'justice' comment. U of C is like a Who's Who of xoxo.
Thanks for the post. I still feel positively about Chicago, although Ithe whole exchange about the concentration camp horse below worries me a little. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 2:07 AM Author: demanding gaping location "I think I even saw that guy with the blog that had the infamous 'justice' comment."
Highly unlikely, since I didn't come to school last Friday. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 2:15 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch What about Thursday? You do know that some people got there early and were around since Wednesday, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953819) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 8:40 AM Author: demanding gaping location Eh, I suppose. I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention. I think I remember some guy sitting in on Copyright who was texting through the class. That was preftigious.
You should have yelled, "What is justice?!" That would've gotten my attention. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 8:44 AM Author: Big Amber Filthpig School Cafeteria your set fags back like 10 yrs with that blog of yours.
also preftigious! |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 8:49 AM Author: demanding gaping location Fortunately for dumbasses, you can't set them back further than they already are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7954649) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 8:53 AM Author: Big Amber Filthpig School Cafeteria actually, you obviously could. imagine if things in the US were as bad for gays as they are in Iran or Saudi Arabia.
by the way, it was apparent from your blog that you're given to bouts of overstating things. this is just another example. good job, kiddo |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 9:25 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I would have become as infamous as you had I done that.
BTW, I got nothing against you dude. Just noting 'celebrity' sightings at the U of C is all. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:32 PM Author: tantric chest-beating stage jewess . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945217) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:06 PM Author: mentally impaired internal respiration Kind of like NYU, which has an average reputation of 8 or 9 over the past decade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945442) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:41 AM Author: tantric chest-beating stage jewess . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946065) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:53 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Any more opinions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945350) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:58 PM Author: mentally impaired internal respiration Chicago, NYU and Columbia are all essentially equivalent, except that Chicago has a better rep and places better in firms, academia, and clerkships.
So go whereever feels best. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:11 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I thought firm placement was similar for Chicago and CLS. No doubt academia and clerkship placement is better at Chicago per capita, though I'm not very interested in those options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945490) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:28 PM Author: mentally impaired internal respiration Chicago has smaller class / slightly better rep, therefore more secure placement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945615) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:33 PM Author: puce 180 resort I'm a 2L at UC.
Things I hate: (1) the quarter system- it had its benefits 1L year (easing you into finals, etc.), but I hate that we take finals more often and normal law school classes are crammed into 8-10 weeks. (2) the location- I haven't found Hyde Park itself to be so bad, but I've lived downtown since 1L. The commute is annoying and I wish there was better public transportation to campus (and yes parking sucks, but I've had to prak further than 2 blocks from the law school) (3) the pressure/rigor- this is a hard one to describe, and I think the extent to which you feel it is very personal. I always thought I was very laid back about school, but by the end of 1L I was really stressed out. I know people at other schools (NYU and Columbia among them) who have said the same thing, but spring quarter at Chicago constitutes 60% of your grades for the year and that's tough to handle.
Things I love: (1) the city- I absolutely love Chicago itself, its big, fun, inexpensive, pretty, etc. I've enjoyed living here. (2) the professors/classes- it really is true that nearly all of the professors are amazing, interesting, and accessible. (3) job prospects- you'll get a great job pretty much regardless of where you are in the class (this is probably true at the NY schools too, but our grades are hard to understand which usually works in your favor)
And a final note on my classmates: I haven't found many of them to be arrogant or unlikeable. Yeah there are some gunners (3 come to mind), but there's bound to be some in any top school and all 3 are actually quite nice people outside of class. I've made some great friends and have a lot of respect for everyone I'm in school with- any pressure and stress I felt 1L year truly did not come from other students.
Basically, law school sucks at times and is great at times. Pick a city you want to live in for 3 years and the school that you had the best gut feeling toward. You can't really make a bad choice among those 3. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:42 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I can see how the quarter system could be annoying. The pressure/rigor aspect also turns me off a bit. No doubt the profs are awesome (quite brilliant and funny to boot), and while Chicago's public transportation and parking situations suck, the city itself is clean, cheap and well-planned compared to NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945727) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:22 AM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel "and while Chicago's public transportation and parking situations suck, the city itself is clean, cheap and well-planned compared to NYC"
it's pretty hard to enjoy a "well-planned" city if you can't take public transport or use your car. and you will quickly back off from "well-planned" once you see chicago from the vantage point of Hyde Park. don't come here expecting to enjoy the city with any great frequency. come here because you feel like you will fit in.
Here's your questionaire: 1) Do I like to compete/work hard for grades? 2) Do I like the quarter system? 3) Can I stand transportation stress (Hyde Park has some of the shittiest drivers in history, not to mention the parking difficulties downtown and in the desirable neighborhoods)? 4) Do I not mind having to frequent a somewhat dangerous area (there was an attempted shooting less than a block from my apartment here in HP this evening)? 5) Do I like Law & Economics? 6) Do I want a small class size (pros: good placement, contact with profs; cons: narsty gossip machine) 7) Do I want to subject myself to a motivation-destroying curve (10% A's, 10% C's, 80% B's)? 8) Do I like UofC's political climate? 9) Am I worried about UofC's potentially declining ranking? 10) Do you like THE CUBE? 11) Do you care about lay prestige?
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Date: April 17th, 2007 1:23 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "1) Do I like to compete/work hard for grades?" Yes, but only up to a point. I'm not an endless reservoir of hard work.
"2) Do I like the quarter system?" I never did like that system, although it could be great for the first two terms of 1L since you don't take very many classes.
"3) Can I stand transportation stress (Hyde Park has some of the shittiest drivers in history, not to mention the parking difficulties downtown and in the desirable neighborhoods)?" I'm used to shitty drivers, and I'm already stressed out by them. It's a part of life that I have come to accept. Parking difficulties, I'm not so much used to. That's going to be a big pain.
"4) Do I not mind having to frequent a somewhat dangerous area (there was an attempted shooting less than a block from my apartment here in HP this evening)?" Where do you live? I can't imagine Morningside Heights being much better (or worse). NYU takes the edge here in terms of location.
"5) Do I like Law & Economics?" Sure. I liked how the profs incorporated the concept of incentives into their classes. Makes the experience much more analytical.
"6) Do I want a small class size (pros: good placement, contact with profs; cons: narsty gossip machine)" I like good placement and contact with profs. I absolutely HATE gossiping. I fucking despise it and refuse to take part in it.
"7) Do I want to subject myself to a motivation-destroying curve (10% A's, 10% C's, 80% B's)?" Why is it motivation destroying? Too many Cs? Not enough As? Everyone gets lumped together in the B range? I'll be happy just being near the median.
"8) Do I like UofC's political climate?" What exactly is the political climate there? There was some ambiguity regarding this during ASW. I still felt like the vast majority (70%) of students were liberal, which I'm fine with. If anything, NYU's political climate annoys me more (feminazis, ultra-liberals, trustafarians). One thing I noticed and didn't like was that, while the students may be diverse intellectually / politically, everyone was kinda boring/WASPY (including all the minority students). CLS/NYU seemed more diverse with regards to nationality / ethnicity / culture, though less diverse in terms of ideas / beliefs.
"9) Am I worried about UofC's potentially declining ranking?" If they keep falling, then yes maybe. The administration should take care that they don't fall below the MPVBs.
"10) Do you like THE CUBE?" I don't really care how the law school building looks. It looks fine from the inside. CLS's building is equally nasty on the outside. NYU's looks great, but I honestly don't think it'll make much of a difference in my LS experience.
"11) Do you care about lay prestige?" Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I guess CLS wins out in terms of lay prestige. Then again, a lot of people don't know where Columbia is or even that it's an Ivy. NYU and Chicago get mistaken as state/city colleges quite often. As long as I'm not going to Harvard or Yale, it's all the same shit as far as I'm concerned. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:08 AM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel "I still felt like the vast majority (70%) of students were liberal, which I'm fine with. If anything, NYU's political climate annoys me more (feminazis, ultra-liberals, trustafarians). One thing I noticed and didn't like was that, while the students may be diverse intellectually / politically, everyone was kinda boring/WASPY (including all the minority students). CLS/NYU seemed more diverse with regards to nationality / ethnicity / culture, though less diverse in terms of ideas / beliefs."
that's about right.
FWIW on the prestige question, I've got nothing but lay praise for UofC, and I'm starting to think that the mistaken-for-a-state-school phenomenon only happens with people you really don't need to impress. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:13 PM Author: slippery affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949199) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch What did you write? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950173) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2007 3:26 AM Author: Sick Property Idiot Subject: hyde park vs morningside heights You cannot compare Hyde Park to Morningside Heights. Hyde Park is infinitely worse. I stepped out of my apartment there at 9:30pm and literally had to run from gunfire as a guy got murdered. Sure, I had a "not typical" bad experience (I was an undergrad), but I'd say about 75% of my friends were mugged. When I spoke with the police post-shooting, their response was not encouraging; my experience was typical by their standards.
I live in NYC now and would take the subway through Harlem at any time of night and walk around Morningside Heights as well (though probably not Harlem proper).
Also, Morningside Heights/Harlem is getting better. Hyde Park is not and will never due to its location as basically an island in the middle of the ghetto.
One advantage: cost of living is super low and the apartments are actually really nice on the inside, much better than you'd find near Columbia, or anywhere in NYC for twice the price. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 1:35 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch BTW, you seem to have a pretty negative outlook about Chicago, compared to the median-hugging people I met at ASW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946395) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:10 AM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel i'm friends with many here who have told me that they would not go to law school if they could do it all over again. how that reflects on UofC v Law School generally is difficult to say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947316) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:20 AM Author: impressive kitty cat rigpig HP isn't all that sketchy. Where the fuck do you live, 64th/Kenwood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946673) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:05 AM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel in Hyde Park proper. way north of 64th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947311) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:37 PM Author: impressive kitty cat rigpig I live on 57th near Dorchester/Blackstone and am moving to Regents Park in the summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949661) |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:13 PM Author: Shimmering business firm I can't believe i'm the first person to chime in with the obvious and thus far unmentioned answer: Kill self.
Xoxo has lost its heart. |
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:14 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch ty, i was waiting for this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945511) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:04 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Late night bump. Will bump again in the morn' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946583) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:06 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault <reposted from above>
FWIW, the things I liked about Chicago when I visited for ASW are the things I love about Chicago now that I'm here. I found the ASW to absolutely be an accurate preview of my experience at the school.
Also, I've been posting on this site for over 2.5 years now. I hope that one incident involving one poster doesn't dominate your opinion of me. In fact, if you came to ASW, it is extremely likely that you met me, and I would prefer that you judge me based on that (even if your judgment ends up being no less negative). |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:38 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I don't recall seeing you all that much at ASW, so unfortunately my opinion of you comes almost entirely from xoxo. I know you've been a generally nice and helpful poster, but there have been a couple incidences where I ended up questioning your judgment (the outing threat, the mod BS, etc). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947424) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:32 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I can't pretend to share your concerns about those incidents, but if you do end up coming to Chicago, hopefully we'll get a chance to meet IRL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947880) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:31 PM Author: Mewling henna macaca How could you not have seen him at ASW? And by the way if you had a good time, it was in large part due to his efforts over the past few months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948291) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:47 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I did see him a few times. Don't think I interacted with him much. Of course anyone at the trivia contest should've seen him as well as sugary and chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948412) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth Were the others posters here as well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950335) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:56 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch 'Here' as in where? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951349) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth at the contest besides MTG, chance, and sugary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951371) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:27 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Besides MTG, chance and sugary...weren't there 2 others guys? I don't know them but I'm sure they post on xoxo since the team name was TITMFCR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953007) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:54 AM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster OP's chosen moniker does not correspond with presentation of himself as objective newcomer looking for new input on the topic.
Thanks for playing everyone. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:56 AM Author: supple headpube Subject: this thread was UChi trolling from beginning to end pathetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947031) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:59 AM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Yours is an interesting but unlikely interpretation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947041) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:45 AM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug Paulie's point makes sense. all these little-known UChi trolls show up in a short span of a few hours? and all repeat the same things? MTG is well known but the rest are not so well known and the OP moniker is extremely problematic and obviously flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947166) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:51 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Let me go through the thread and list the monikers I recognize.
CCNzeroL posted in post Chicago ASW threads Teen has long been a pro-Chicago poster SteveSteve has been around for a bit too simphear is a known Chicago poster Don't know AnonUofC2L or cutepug I know juliensorel and dunesand ________ started up over the weekend, and I know who he is I know Mr. Hands And DoubleBilling is a known Chicago poster
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:43 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug Subject: You just made Paulie's point all these people are CHI students who post not very often. all of a sudden you have them all posting on 1 thread. MTG, we're not stupid. y someone drummed this up right after ASW to make UChi look good. well, its obviously trolling. it went too far. too much "i love it here!!!" type of stuff. all these people are like you--UChi troll.s you're aware that on this board you have like zero credibility, right? all you do is yammer on and on and on. about chicago. stfu this thread was pure flame by "Renada Deshitta or " .... what a fucking joke. people were not going to believe it anyway, but flaming the board with an obvious pro-Chicago moniker and asking for advice is stupid. BTW, NYU and CLS are better schools today, tomorrow, the next day, etc. Have fun tied at 6 with Penn |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:58 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I was out at a bar last night until midnight. I didn't find this thread until 1AM. All the above posts were made long before I was even home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949435) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:08 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug OMG this must mean that this thread isnt in any way the result of calculated UChi trolling! lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949485) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:10 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth I don't know about the others, but I am posting in this thread because I am a perspective and was at ASW. Since this thread is about Chicago ASW, it seemed like an appropriate place to post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950343) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:54 PM Author: swollen flesh dingle berry The perspectives at UChi are sooo intelligent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7952733) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:28 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster If the OP and/or person you're replying to were really concerned about the legitimacy of users, it's strange they both chose to particpate in the discussion instead of complain to the management that the integrity of discussions is compromised because regulars can easily switch monikers.
If there was a genuine interest in preserving the integrity of messages, ALL posters would be locked into a single screen name. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Your conclusion is the result of your selective memory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949406) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:34 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I'm not pro or anti-Chicago flame dumbass. Look at the contents of the posts... aside from some obvious flame, most of it is full of fairly useful info.
The moniker choice was perhaps unfortunate, but for some reason whenever I think of xoxo and Chicago Renada's infamous screed comes to mind. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:52 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Defensive epithets reveal more than your conscience wishes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949403) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug for some reason whenever I think of xoxo and Chicago Renada's infamous screed comes to mind. ----------------------------------------------
... because you're a UChicago troll/student. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:16 AM Author: shaky ivory stead keep in mind that two years ago a property professor named an actor in their hypothetical on the final exam after a well known concentration camp. the word has no other meaning other than it is a concentration camp.
I'm still confused as to the significance of this. but the fact that I didn't hear of it until recently perhaps speaks volumes of the sort of political atmosphere of the student body. for example, this shit would not fly at NYU.
note: any current students, feel free to correct me if there was some sort of formal complaint and apology. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:33 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Is that exam still up online? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947891) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:59 AM Author: shaky ivory stead yeah, i actually double checked after someone told me the story to make sure no one was fucking with me. makes me sick to my stomach, especially in light of how much everyone in my class loved the guy. i personally think hes a sack of shit now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948054) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:54 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I heard about this several times during ASW. Current liberal students seemed bothered by it, but also seemed reluctant to speak out about it publicly. Are there no Jewish students at Chicago? |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:02 PM Author: shaky ivory stead see i don't get that. i go here, am a current 2L and didn't even here of this until about a month ago. I feel like this is the first thing anyone should have told me if they knew I was going to have him. its so disturbing.
this isn't the sort of thing that a professor of his "stature" does as a mistake. it was completely intentional.
apparently none that want to do anything about it. i still would like it if someone would at least say there was a formal complaint and that he received at least some discipline from the dean. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:34 PM Author: Mewling henna macaca There are plenty of Jewish students. They asked him about it. He explained that he had probably just read the name somewhere and it stuck in his head but what it was didn't. They seemed convinced that he was being honest and the topic was dropped. The end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948311) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:44 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "He explained that he had probably just read the name somewhere and it stuck in his head but what it was didn't." Unless the name of the camp was pretty obscure, that's hard to buy. The fact that the students just dropped the issue bothers me somewhat. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:47 PM Author: shaky ivory stead never said there weren't. wonder who actually asked him about it. the people who told me the story seemed like they were still really pissed off. to be honest, I'm not convinced. its not like its a random word. in the context in which is was used there were literally billions of other options that would have made more sense if he just couldn't think of what to name it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948413) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 1:20 PM Author: Mewling henna macaca If they are still pissed off why don't they talk to him about it? He seems to read a ton of history, it doesn't seem all that impossible that it really was an honest mistake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948615) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch If he reads a ton of history I don't see HOW it could have been an honest mistake. Seriously, think about what you just said and piece it together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948627) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: Mewling henna macaca You don't think in the course of reading thousands of pages you could cross a name and have it stick in your head but not remember what it is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948704) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: shaky ivory stead he named a horse in a hypothetical after a concetration camp that has no other meaning other than it is a conecentration camp. i don't understand, do you think he just liked the way the word sounded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948865) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:19 PM Author: magical institution which camp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948888) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: shaky ivory stead treblinka (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949016) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault FWIW, I'll give the prof the benefit of the doubt. I don't instantly recognize the name, and I easily buy the explanation that the name was in his head for some reason but didn't know where.
Then again, I am completely culturally unaware and generally poorly educated. But one of my life mottos is "Never attribute to malice that which can be equally well explained by incompetence."
I seriously think this was just a stupid mistake, as I cannot fathom a motivation for doing it intentionally. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:49 PM Author: shaky ivory stead of course you give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think that anyone would think that you'd take the objective route here.
i don't think that life motto should apply to people with his background. just because you cannot fathom a motivation for him doing it intentionally does not mean that that is not the case.
or maybe your right. "treblinka" does have that nice sort of ring that you'd want to name a horse after. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:53 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake FWIW, I'm just as loathsome a Chicago troll (and yeah, human being) as MTG, and I take the opposite view. I agree with you: "Treblinka" isn't a name that could be used by accident, IMHO. Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Bergen-Belsen are the unholy triumvirate of Nazi deathcamps that even people who don't otherwise know jack about WWII or the Holocaust are familiar with.
Either way, it disturbs me. I never knew about this until you pointed it out, and I liked my experience w/the professor a lot, but I still can't just dismiss this offhandedly. It's too fucking weird. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:43 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Oh, that was Helmholtz? Now I understand why a lot of current students I met at ASW had a weird opinion of him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950138) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 11:31 AM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison Part of this discussion originated to involve whether or not there was any public aftermath at Chicago, but that hasnt been addressed. Did people complain? Is this public knowledge? Has the professor made any sort of apology or given any explanation? |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:01 PM Author: Nighttime psychic and you have so much more insight into this situation than MTG?
what possible motivation could underlie this action if intentional?
benefit of the doubt is reasonable here. The Hammer, to my mind, has no history of antisemetism or anythink of its ilk. An isolated incident that is ambiguous anyway is hardly damning.
FWIW, i'm a jew and my grandma is a holocaust survivor. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Agreed. In my opinion, an objective assessment of the situation includes considering the person's character and prior behavior. In this case, I think both factors weigh heavily against jumping to some sort of antisemitic conclusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950037) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:35 PM Author: supple headpube simple question. lengthy screed.
ladies and gentlemen, i present you with MindTheGap's schtick. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 9:11 AM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison Holy fucking shit. Treblinka was an extermination camp, and follows only auschwitz in sheer numbers of people killed. Your "wait and see" attitude is ridiculous--in my life I have never seen the name referenced in any way other than as a concentration camp, and a quick google search turns up nothing more than links to information on the camp. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 9:17 AM Author: crystalline philosopher-king doctorate its just a coincidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
MTG will spin anything in favor of Chicago. Everyone at Chicago could go kill someone today and MTG would still tell you its by far the best school. academic rigor, etc etc |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 11:14 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Whatever. I've posted in the past things I dislike about Chicago, and I will continue to do so in the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955141) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 10:55 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I dunno. I explained the situation to my roommate and asked him his thoughts. He came to the exact same conclusion I did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955036) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 11:27 AM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison MTG, you already admitted you're coming at this argument from a place of ignorance because you claim you didnt "instantly recognize the name." Would your view be the same if the professor had named the horse Auschwitz? |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:51 PM Author: supple headpube Subject: MindTheGap: a hard-working stupid. Date: April 17th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: MindTheGap76
FWIW, I'll give the prof the benefit of the doubt. I don't instantly recognize the name, and I easily buy the explanation that the name was in his head for some reason but didn't know where.
Then again, I am completely culturally unaware and generally poorly educated. But one of my life mottos is "Never attribute to malice that which can be equally well explained by incompetence."
I seriously think this was just a stupid mistake, as I cannot fathom a motivation for doing it intentionally.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949527)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I fully admit my ignorance. If I had been taking that exam, I would not have noticed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950016) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:33 PM Author: shaky ivory stead the issue is not whether you would have noticed.
the issue is whether or not you would have ever used the word "treblinka" if you did not know what it was.
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:47 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault It is easy to have a word (or song) in your head and not know where it is from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951291) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:54 PM Author: shaky ivory stead you don't actually believe what youre saying, do you?
"treblinka" has no other fucking meaning. if the guy was so temporarily obsessed with this word, you dont think he would have looked it up? this isn't a fucking radiohead song.
at some point man, youve just got to look at things the way they are, not the way you wish they were. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault No, I actually completely believe what I am saying. Here are the two possibilities:
1) Prof somewhere comes across the word Treblinka (doesn't even have to be in the context of the concentration camp, the camp was named after the nearby village; he could have been reading Polish history or something). The word Treblinka got in his head. Later (maybe months later), while writing the exam, he needs a throwaway word to name the horse. The word "Treblinka" comes to mind, he sticks it in, and moves on completely unaware of the reference. Other relevant factors: people name horses silly things (e.g., Barbaro); professor is old.
2) Well respected professor with no history of antisemitism—working in an academic field heavily populated with Jews—decides, for some reason, to name a horse in his exam after a Nazi extermination camp. He does this purposely. He also knows that, given the large number of Jewish students taking the exam, someone will surely recognize the reference. He lies to students who come by his office to ask about it.
You're telling me that option 2 is the more likely scenario???! |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: shaky ivory stead I'm not going to have a battle of illustrations. I can also do the same (think tenured professor who is egotistic enough that he believes he can get away with murder and challenges his first year law students to call him out and then have the balls to follow through with it to the end).
Your first scenario is simply ridiculous. the man is far too intelligent to just not know this and the probability of picking the word "treblinka" out of the billions that can exist (after all a horse CAN be named anything) especially with perfect spelling so it's not a question of being audibly confused since he liked the way it sounded so much, is just too small. the incredible amount of deference you are giving without knowing much is far more telling than the skepticism that I am displaying witht he same amount of knowledge.
maybe you keep this up because everyone knows who you are and you are gunning for the support of the faculty so it helps you later on in the future; I really don't know. But your continued insistence in refusing to evaluate the facts destroys any credibility that you can ever be objective.
Don't get me wrong, I could be way fucking off, but it's unlikely.
the man has a princeton b.a., a harvard j.d, and berkeley phd. People like this don't make these mistakes. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Basically, it sounds like you are willing to impute bad faith and disingenuousness even when there is no evidence that such assumptions are warranted—both towards the professor and me.
I don't question that you genuinely believe what you are saying, so please at least extend me the same courtesy. You may think me an idiot, but don't imply that I am a liar. I don't mind if you think I'm a moron. In fact, the response of the students and faculty to the "controversy" suggests that most felt the same way I do: that it was an honest mistake and no offense was intended. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:49 AM Author: shaky ivory stead im not really trying to read in any sort of bad faith at all, im just calling it like i see it. i'm really just reading into facts: the prof for the reasons i've stated simply is incapable of making such a mistake, and you as a self outed gunner have clear incentives in making nice with the faculty.
the response of the students doesn't say much. you keep saying how this prof has no history of doing this and thats why we should be more wiling to accept his reasoning: well, considering this is kind of a big deal, in at least it should have been more public, it is a pretty quiet controversy and this is in an age where communication moves at light speed. who is to say that this hasn't happened in the past when something like this could have been more easily buried? (of course I'm not saying it has) If this 3L class had said nothing, this story would basically no longer exist in a month. (again, not saying that this has happened before, but this is certainly plausible).
More clearly thought than the random shit I have typed: If not in this context, I do think that you often lie (although this is tough because i think you are the type of person that actually believes the lies you tell) about many things about this school, so if this insult was incorrectly slung at you in this instance, I do mean it in general.
I do randomly check in on chicago threads and i rarely post but when it starts getting out of control I have to step in. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 10:51 PM Author: Nighttime psychic "the man has a princeton b.a., a harvard j.d, and berkeley phd. People like this don't make these mistakes."
this makes no sense at all. a) degree fetishization aside, well-educated people do make mistakes. EINSTEIN thought that quantum mechanics was hack-science ("God does not play dice with the universe."). That was a mistake in judgment; this is just a mistake of memory. here's a boatload of eduated/important/prominent people making suprising mistakes: http://www.vacilando.org/index.php?x=8602 b) one could get those degrees and easily fail get a firm grasp on concentration camp names. he studied medieval law/history for god's sake. c) He's old (approx. 67), and not old enough to be cognizant during WW2/fallout. d) your egomaniac scenario is laughably incorrect. this is a laconic, eldery gentleman that we are talking about. if he's a secret evil genius, he hides it well. cf. his character generally, and specifically wrt no antisemitic history. e) treblinka DOES HAVE OTHER MEANINGS than the name of a concetration camp -- the village (the camp's namesake), the river, poems, songs, etc. http://www.iearn.org/hgp/www-poland.html
look, i understand treblinka is part of the triumverate of heinous evil deathcamps and should not find it's way into a law school exam. its mere use, however, does not create a per se implication that its user was acting malevolently. the probability of mistake from age/seeing the word in a different context/etc. is simply too high. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:55 AM Author: shaky ivory stead again, a man who is as educated in the finest educational institutions in this country does not make this mistake. It's not about degree fetizations, its about the fact that by going through this type of academic training you do not fuck up like this.
honestly, if he had just written a short apology in his memo this wouldn't be a big deal, at least he would seem more sincere. This whole, "oh, didn't mean to do that, made a mistake, and that should be enough" doesn't really cut it for me. it diminishes how offensive the mistake was. if not intentional, he should have made it clear to wipe away any doubt. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:33 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake 1.) As I said above, I basically agree with you. This is fairly screwed up and I don't see how people can srsly argue that the professor did it 'accidentally.'
2.) Calling people antisemites or antisemitic sympathizers is way out of line and absolutely impossible to get from people's arguments here. Your point is good, why fuck it up with bullshit rhetoric like that? |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:35 PM Author: shaky ivory stead point noted and corrected.
its a dirty trick and i only did it because i was frusterated with how ridiculous the people on this thread are acting.
although if a teacher had made a hypothetical about "slave ships" in a way where it was completely uneccessary (which would be similar to here, which is obviously offensive, and latently bigoted) i don't think anyone would be defending th guy. there always seems to be more tolerance for slamming jewish people and won't stand for it (i take this stand on all minority groups, but no one else is getting slammed here).
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:41 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Yah, I don't quite get it myself.
This whole thing weirds me out because it doesn't square at all with my understanding of the guy. But the evidence speaks for itself, and like fulano (and others) pointed out, "Treblinka" has exactly one common association.
Hey dood, I just bought two dogs and named them Dachau and Buchenwald...nobody's got a problem with that, right? |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:01 PM Author: Nighttime psychic OBVIOUSLY IF YOU BUY TWO DOGS AND NAME THEM BOTH AFTER THE SAME KIND OF ABOMINATIONS OF MANKIND THEN YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. THEIR CONJUNCTION HELPS DEFINE THEM BOTH. WHAT IF INSTEAD YOU NAMED YOUR TWIN BABIES TREBLINKA AND ANASTACIA? NOT SO OBVIOUS IN THAT CASE IS IT ASSHAT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955846) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:06 PM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison The caps dont help much. But you're right. I named my dogs dachau and hymie. edit: i just googled hymie, turns out its a jewish slur. who knew? I thought i made it up, its a made up word |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:11 PM Author: Nighttime psychic Well well well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955918) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:19 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake You're not helping your argument by shrieking at me.
And yeah, it's still obvious that something's srsly amiss if you named even one of your kids Treblinka. If you do that you're either shamefully ignorant or perverse, IMHO. The name can never be used in such a way that it loses its Nazi connotations. Don't blame me man, blame Hitler. I couldn't name my dogs "Dachau" and "Sparkles" either.
Look, we disagree. I'm not calling you a jerk, or an antisemite, or whatever. We just disagree here. There's no fucking need to treat me like a stupid misbehaving stepchild. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: Nighttime psychic so villagers in Treblinka cannot mention their village's name without "Nazi connotations"? that might be the dumbest thing i've ever heard. and i can't mention the village of treblinka without opening myself up to antisemetic attacks? lol lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7956062) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:32 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Read my response to you a couple posts down directly addressing this.
And no, you personally (as an American and not a Polish peasant) CANNOT just toss out namechecks of Treblinka, unless you're discussing it in a historical or geographic context, without raising eyebrows. If you decided to name your goldfish "Sachsenhausen," people would justifiably wonder about you. I don't make these rules, hell I don't even enforce them, but they are what they are.
And all the "lol lol"s in the world won't alter this social reality. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: Nighttime psychic "And no, you personally (as an American) CANNOT mention the village of Treblinka, unless you're discussing it in a historical or geographic context, without raising eyebrows."
you are conflating two questions: 1) WHETHER people who are familiar with the connotations will be offended 2) SHOULD people who are familiar with the connotations be offended
please disambiguate response. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Whether they will: Almost invariably yes, although "offended" is the wrong term. Some people might well be genuinely offended, but there are many like me whose reaction will be along the lines of "gee, that's just *OFF*. Something's wrong here...why the hell would he drop that name? That can't be done by accident, something's going on." My point is that would, at a bare minimum, always set off alarms.
Should they: it's really not for me to say in this case, it depends on the intent of the professor IMHO. Personally, If I could I accept that it was accidental, then my inclination would be to say "oh well, fuck it. That was really stupid, but no harm intended and I don't care."
My problem is that I have a lot of trouble believing this was accidental. A HELL of a lot of trouble. I think, best case scenario, the professor felt like being nasty and needling people. Because there's simply no way that someone as educated and worldly as this guy, someone who FUCKING WORKED FOR YEARS WITH BERNIE MELTZER, FOR CHRISSAKES, could not know. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: Nighttime psychic k, then i would refer you to my above arguments concerning intent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7956259) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:47 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I'm glad that you edited that out (and that chance pointed it out). I agree with you entirely but I didn't think that was an appropriate response. I understand the frustration htough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955721) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:54 PM Author: Nighttime psychic "although if a teacher had made a hypothetical about 'slave ships' in a way where it was completely uneccessary ... i don't think anyone would be defending th guy."
*In slow, deliberate syllables*
THAT'S BECAUSE IF YOU USED THE PHRASE "SLAVE SHIPS" IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SLAVE TRADE THEN YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE REFERRING TO THE UNFATHOMABLY ABOMINABLE PRACTICE OF SLAVERY. IF YOU USED THE WORD "SLAVE" AS A NAME, THAT WOULD ALSO BE AN OBVIOUS REFERENCE BECAUSE IN THIS CASE SLAVE ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER MEANINGS IN ENGLISH. "TREBLINKA" IS A PROPER NAME. IT NAMES A CITY, A RIVER, AND A DEATH CAMP. TWO POINTS:
1) YOU SEE PROPER NAMES OUT OF CONTEXT ALL THE TIME, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE WORD "SLAVE" OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF SLAVERY. ONE CAN EASILY USE THE WORD "TREBLINKA" OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE DEATHCAMP. OBSERVE: "THE TREBLINKA RIVER IS QUITE LOVELY THIS TIME OF YEAR." OR, "THE HORSE NAMED TREBLINKA BROKE HIS LEG." OR SIMPLY, "'TREBLINKA', THAT'S AN INTERESTING NAME." 2) SINCE IT IS A PROPER NAME, ONCE IT IS CIRCULATION, IT CAN BE ATTACHED TO ANY OBJECT. THIS IS TRUE ONLY TO A LESSER EXTENT OF A WORD LIKE "SLAVE" BECAUSE OF THE SEMANTIC CONFUSION THAT MIGHT RESULT: "TELL THAT SLAVE TO COME OVER HERE" (BUT SUPPOSE SLAVE MEANS BOTH "SLAVE" AND "COOL GUY") -- WTF DOES THAT MEAN????? YOU SEE THE POINT?! PROBABLY NOT.
SINCERELY,
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:40 PM Author: Nighttime psychic "I didn't realize there were so many anti semetic and anti semetic sympthizers in this school."
I guess you missed my earlier post where I explained that my grandma was a holocaust survivor. i am not approaching this from an antisemetic viewpoint. and what's more, i don't even like the Hammer. i think he's kind of an asshole. but, look, he has been teaching for 40 years. 40 fucking years. two points immediately present themselves:
1) He's old 2) In all this time of public exposure, there's no other evidence suggesting antisemetism. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:45 PM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison #2 hasnt been adequately addressed. Part of the discussion in this chain is whether these incidents are brought to public attention on campus or not. Has he made an effort to explain himself or is this simply forgetten about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955705) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:47 PM Author: supple headpube fulano,
you should get together with the 1L chicago gunner dude (he posted in this thread) and y ou guys can buttfuck each other while discussing all things gunnerish.
HTH
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:58 PM Author: Nighttime psychic please see the post in this thread that describes it being brought to his attention and his (plausible) explanation of knowing the name, but not knowing what it referred to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955831) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:01 PM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison edit nm found it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7955843) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 10:17 AM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison I'm glad you have the last paragraph, but I'm confused as to what you mean by seeing the word in a different context. This is not the case of a man so removed from society that he believes "colored people" is an appropriate term for a law school exam. Re E, The idea that one could be familiar with the town of Treblinka but not the concentration camp is laughable. Someone who knows or has enough knowledge of Polish geography or history certainly has information about what the name means. Oswiecim may be a fine name for a horse as well, but someone who has enough knowledge of that word knows the German name for that town as well, and all the horror that this word conjures. I cannot fathom how much reading "Treblinka" threw off jewish students and people who are not ignorant of nazi germany when taking that test.
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:03 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster As an exercise in (attempted) persuasive reasoning, your position reeks of Nifongian logic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7952373) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:06 AM Author: shaky ivory stead in any event, im done discussing this. i think the dialogue above between myself and other u of c students is a good example of what a future student would have to deal with. and in the end, that is what is most important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953364) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: Nighttime psychic Dear doods:
Is this an antisemetic symbol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Treblinkasign.jpg |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:11 PM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_%28disambiguation%29
give me your honest impression of how ambiguous the word is according to wiki |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:18 PM Author: Nighttime psychic names aren't "ambiguous." nor does it matter to my point if this name is, say, not ambiguous at all -- it refers ONLY to the deathcamp (which of course is not true).
look, 99% of popculture references to "treblinka" are going to refer to the deathcamp. does that mean that the villagers in treblinka can't say their village's name without being antisemites? no, obviously it doesn't. HTH |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Was this professor Polish? (ans: no) Was the reference to "Treblinka" made within the context of Polish geography or culture on the exam? (ans: no). Even in those cases, a reasonably aware person would still walk gingerly around the word, but in the current situation, we're not talking about the rights of Poles to refer to their village name IN POLAND.
Yes, I agree that there is one extremely limited context in which "Treblinka" can be innocuous. That context is one of Poles speaking Polish in a small village in Poland. Outside of that, "Treblinka" has NO OTHER signification, except to those who are caviling, save that of "Nazi death camps." |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Nighttime psychic "Outside of that, 'Treblinka' has NO OTHER signification, except to those who are caviling, save that of "Nazi death camps."
you are failing to grasp how the structure of language works and yet clearly you do understand how it works, since you just granted yet ANOTHER context in which it is acceptable to use the word "Treblinka" -- viz., this one. do you not see the bigger lesson to be drawn from that?
the quote from your post is an honest to goodness case of a self-deconstructing text. just drop the "'Treblinka' has NO OTHER signification" and you'll be fine. clearly you don't actually believe it!!!
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:38 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I never studied history (never even took a class on it in college) and I instantly recognized the name as a concentration camp. Just having watched a few hours of History channel and a few WW2 movies was enough for me to figure out what that name is referring to, so there's a different perspective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950103) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:33 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch It's possible, though I doubt I'd forget that a name I remembered was the name of a concentration camp during WW2. If anything, I would have used something more familiar to name a horse, like Mr. Ed. I would not have gone out on a limb and done something like that.
I'm not going to let this incident cloud my view of the U of C LS as a whole, but your reasoning just doesn't seem to make sense to me. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug Hi, UChi troll!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949018) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: Diverse brilliant legal warrant site Wait...so let me get this straight.
In a hypo, a horse happened to be named Treblinka. The horse didn't do something like stomp a jew to death or raise a hoof to heil. The professor in question is a distinguished old guy with absolutely no indications of anti-semitism in his past.
Care? |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: grizzly public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951210) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:58 AM Author: olive sinister brethren garrison These ASWs are dog and pony shows, they are nothing like real life. Youve got a selfselected group raving about the school and volunteering to show new students around. The people who are frantically studying or just generally hate LS dont go to these things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948047) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch So what is your suggestion? Which school looks best from your point of view? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948236) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug Subject: youre a UCHI troll now STFU. you didnt just randomly pick that name. youre a current UChi student. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949015) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I bet you're paulie walnuts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949113) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:45 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug Subject: __________________ is sugarywitch this proves this is flame. sugary *retired* from xo.... but now comes back to post in favor of chicago.... hahahaha. i bet this thread was started by MTG posting as "Renada Deshittttta" adn then he asked other trollish UChi ppl to chime in.... fucking interesting... but it became too obvious, in the end. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I could out myself to prove you wrong but I won't. You can think whatever you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949079) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug i think it's pretty clear to everyone that you're a UChi L student. out self? LOL. youre obviously not happy that Renada Deshada reamed out UChi... you made your name based on that. you're not some neutral 0L looking for advice, youre a partisan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949365) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:59 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault FWIW, Renada Deshada's famous screed was pure satire. He later said some very complimentary things about the school.
Also, I am not Renattta Deshittta. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:02 PM Author: glittery hospital antidepressant drug It wasn't "pure satire" because many of the points (about Chicago attracting striving gunners like you) have their roots in truth.
No one can say who R.D. is, but it is obvious its a UChi student. If you expect us to believe otherwise, you are relying on people being retarded... so good luck with that. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 10:04 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Your use of the word "obvious" is funny stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951837) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:57 PM Author: Mewling henna macaca Count the dashes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950261) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:09 AM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake PWN3D.
pauliewalnuts, you moron, "_______________" (or whatever) in this thread is NOT sugarywitch. It is, however, another UChicago poster. As the poster above me said, count the dashes you lazy fuck.
God, for a supposedly prestigious poster you often acquit yourself like a fool. |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 1:32 AM Author: supple headpube oh wow, i was wrong. sorry i insulted the other poster. but i don't really care if i was wrong--this thread is, in itself, pathetic.
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:55 PM Author: hyperactive azure hell Subject: at this point I don't really care if it's flame or not I actually have a real question. I'm deciding between CLS and UChi (I visited NYU and hated it). I've been living in NYC since August and really like it - I'm not sure I'm ready to leave just yet. On the other hand, I'm originally from Chicago and know that I want to eventually end up there. Is it silly to go to CLS if I'm just going to end up in Chicago? Would it be harder to get jobs in Chicago coming from Columbia (vs. Chi)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949775) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 4:57 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Start off assuming median grades (always the smart assumption in these cases). Your chances are still slightly better from Chicago than CLS, in my unscientific opinion, but not so much that it would justify dinging CLS if you were really in love with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949789) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:53 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad why are median opportunities better at chicago? the SA stats show about even V20ish placement ratios between the schools.
even then, lawfirmaddict's 2006 tally suggests that of the V20, chicago students are disproportionately represented at "good" firms compared to cls (14 at skadden vs 16 from cls, 16 vs 19 at l&w, 10 vs 5 at kirkland, 18 vs 3 at sidley), and underrepresented at "very good" firms (1 vs 4 at wlrk, 6 vs 18 at csm, 4 vs 14 at dpw, 4 vs 20 at d&p, 1 vs 4 at mto).
this demonstrates that your firm chances are definitely better at cls than chicago at the top, and equal at the median. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:17 PM Author: Hateful whorehouse Hmm, where are the home offices of the firms you just selected? Might explain the large numbers for UofC at Kirkland and Sidley and the large numbers for Columbia at CSM, SPW and D&P. None of the numbers you cite really illustrate the fate of a geographically-neutral top x% student. The kids from the top of the class at UofC that are choosing Kirkland/Sidley offers almost surely could have worked anywhere in NYC (i.e., the "very good" firms you speak of") besides WLRK.
Also, because you're dealing with absolute numbers, don't forget the differential in class size at the two schools. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad right but even if the 25 summering at aidley are discounted by the 50 CLSers working at dpw, d&p and clearly (lifestyle choices), CLS has a much higher % going to selective places. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951681) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I don't think there is any placement difference worth making a decision over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949849) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:57 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad well yes if you are conservatively predicting you'll have median grades, but not if you have warranted confidence that you'll end up near the top of your class. then, go to chicago if you want to clerk, and cls if you want an elite firm job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950259) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault Top of the class from Chicago gets plenty of elite firm offers. I'm not sure why you think CLS is better for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950377) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad volume. the SA numbers show a greater % of CLS students doing more selective things over 2L summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951621) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault You're making sweeping assumptions based off of one year's data that doesn't account for a) percentage of the class that goes to a given market or b) class size. The one study that corrected for these three defects—GTO's placement study—reached the opposite conclusion that you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951685) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:57 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad does it account for flexible market preferences?
the percentage-based conclusions account for class sizes.
it is one year's data. why isn't this representative? |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 10:02 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault No, that would probably be impossible. And while that is certainly a limitation of the validity of the study, it seems like the more reasonable assumption (people pick where they want to live then see where they can get a job rather than vice-versa). It is, of course, not perfect. But I suspect the person who interviews in several markets and then goes to whichever one gives him the higher ranked Vault firm is more rare than the person who interviews in a single market (or has a more difficult target market, like DC, but uses some other market, like NYC, as a backup).
And as one example, this year Chicago had 4 people get offers from WLRK and 3 accepted. That is triple last year's figure. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: Insane mad-dog skullcap top chicago students probably clerk first, and then get the elite firm job. top CLS students more likely just go straight to the elite firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951384) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: supple headpube http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mtgno6.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951424) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 10:07 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster No cite? What scholarship!
Even if true, how much actual difference would the disctinction make? Not much. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:36 PM Author: arousing buff yarmulke police squad the conclusions were drawn from SA numbers; prospective clerks still summer at firms. the numbers show that CLS has a greater volume of students at top firms. note: the existence of a select few chicago students with offers everwhere does not contradict this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951607) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 12:30 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I don't doubt this one bit. CLS's reputation as a biglaw factory is well deserved; its output is phenomenal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953024) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:07 PM Author: supple headpube NYC>>>> Chicago
and CLS is more prestigious (and perceived to be better by your future fellow attorneys, judges, partners, etc.)
you should go to CLS. most Chi students were rejected by CLS. |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: grizzly public bath Aren't the reputation scores exactly the same? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7951303) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:24 AM Author: vigorous slimy milk mother where does this CLS rejection thing come from? a lot of the people i know at uc turned down cls. and i mean a whole lot, not just a few. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7953496) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:58 PM Author: supple headpube Subject: NEVER FORGET Date: April 16th, 2007 8:42 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta Subject: U Chicago's reputation: Myth?
I enjoyed my visit to U Chicago's ASW. People there seemed a bit more socially awkward and reserved than the ones at the NYC schools, but they made up for it by being a hell of a lot nicer. I did not meet anybody that was intolerable, both among current students and admits. Everybody was willing to help without being overbearing or obnoxious.
Now, I've heard that U Chicago students tend to be insufferable douchebags and gunners. Not the kind that hides books in the library or refuses to let you see their notes, but I don't think any top law school has an abundance of these kids; they are probably concentrated more heavily at the lower ranked law schools anyway. There's been a lot of drama regarding U of C on xoxo (to be fair, the same goes for CLS with the 3L fed court BS and NYU's feminazi contingent). I couldn't find much evidence of d-bagness/gunnerism during my visit, but I was told that not many current students actually attended the event because of a brief due. If all or most of the d-bags and gunners stayed away from ASW, my impression of U of C could have been skewed.
I've also gotten a bad impression of the school from the poster known as MTG, with his overzealous defense of the school culminating in a "I can out you but I won't" threat on xoxo. A couple people at ASW also told me that the gossiping did sometimes get out of hand, and that because the social life revolved mostly around the law school, people didn't get to know too many people outside of the LS and even mostly dated from within. Some complained it was too 'high-schoolish,' but that is a common complaint I have heard elsewhere (though it seemed a bit worse at Chicago).
Is what I saw at U Chicago's ASW non-representative of the big picture? Do you agree or disagree with its reputation? Please offer advice, criticism, defense or attacks about the law school. With exactly 2 weeks remaining before seat deposits are due, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
PS: Please keep in mind that I tend to be a laid-back kinda guy. I also like to take things at face value and try to lead life in as simple a manner as possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944407)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: redaction stamp
So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?
I had a great time at the visit too. You are right about the law school seeming like HS, but I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944444)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:51 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you saw people on their best behavior.
what do you think is more representative--1 weekend or what people have said about UChi for decades?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944454)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:52 PM Author: redaction stamp
what like it was some kind of trick? if so, the rouse was well-executed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944463)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:32 PM Author: hawkhead (Very funny, deutschbag.)
potemkinpwn3d
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944730)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: CCNzeroL
It's a good thing I saw the shit you pulled on Heide Iravani, else I might take what you have to say seriously.
I was really pleasantly surprised with ASW and the peeps I met there. Upon reflection I like the place even more.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944507)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:05 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you should go there, dood.
i'm just telling you that your school will be ranked behind NYU and CLS for the foreseeable future.
UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs and, of course, NYU and CLS are both going to pwn UCHI in cross-admits.
enjoy chicago, seriously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944532)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:06 PM Author: Teen
"UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs"
So Penn was not a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs last yuear, but now is? YFWGI.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944538)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:09 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
before, they would've been passing up a higher-ranked school. now, they aren't.
it makes the decision a lot easier.
this year, penn's yield in P vs CHI cross admits will rise.
similarily, NYU and CLS will continue to pwn CHI in cross admits.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944553)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: Teen
I can't believe I am taking the time to type this out, but: YFWGI
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944609)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: CCNzeroL
Thank you for proving the point I made below.
What an insufferable cocksucker you are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944540)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:24 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"you saw people on their best behavior."
True, and that's what I'm worried about. Actually, I don't think I saw NYU people at their best behavior. I got a very ambivalent, I-don't-give-a-shit attitude when I visited, which makes it very hard for me to compare it to both CLS and Chi.
Do you know people at Chicago?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944666)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?"
Yes. For some reason CLS still hasn't gotten back to me about my finaid offer, but they told me I would receive final notification before the end of this week. NYU's finaid seat deposit, as many people on both xoxo and LSD have noted, is this Wednesday. I may end up narrowing my choice down to CLS vs Chicago by tomorrow.
"You are right about the law school seeming like HS"
One kid commented about how it reminded him of the small private high school he went to.
"I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience."
I got the same feeling, but I'm worried that the people running ASW were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and that I wasn't getting the full picture.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944485)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: Poetic dreamer (Whether Beauty be found in mathematics or a flower)
Dude, go to Chicago if you liked the visit. Look at the personalities of the people who post bad about it. Do they have similar personalities to your's?
You should know by now that two people at the same school taking similar classes etc, could have very different experiences, since they look for different things in life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944497)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
basically, do you think that you should have 100 pp of reading per class when 50 would really cover the topics in more depth than you'll ever actually need?
if so, go to UChi.
if you want to argue about ramifications of judge's minor comments in non-majority opinions, go to UChi.
if you want to go to a LS where everyone has a huge inferiority complex about not being at YSHNC, go to UChi.
if you want to be with people who aren't as smart as t5 law students but work harder, go to UChi
if you want to be in the midwest, not the coast, go to UChi.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944508)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: redaction stamp
seriously, this post isn't helpful at all, unless you have experienced 1L year at Chicago and at NYU/Columbia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944522)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: CCNzeroL
Okay, see stuff like this just pushes me further towards Chicago. Not because anything you say appeals to me, but because it's clear you're just lying out of some strange axe to grind.
From everything I've heard/see that I actually trust about the school, this is just utter horseshit pushed by people like you.
I came to ASW LOOKING for this to be true. But it just didn't seem to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944524)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Teen
If you want to listen to Paulie Walnuts, you are a dipshit.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944528)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:05 PM Author: Community Norm
big talk for a fordham grad -- if uchi grads have an inferiority complex, metaphorically you're cleaning the skidmarks off their underwear with your lips and tongue.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945022)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:15 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
i got a better job than 90% of UChi grads.
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945102)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: SteveSteve
But you won't have a better career
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945417)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: redaction stamp
It depends on you. I don't think the law students are really unhappy (I know a few students who go there full time). Obviously, you aren't getting the full picture. Once you're on the inside, it's going to be different.
It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944514)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:28 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved."
The current students at the ASW were so-called slackers (and they were, since they were out partying with admits while their classmates were working on briefs), and even they talked about the law school, students, and professors a lot.
It intrigued me and horrified me at the same time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944697)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: simphear
What did you expect them to talk about at a recruiting event, dood?
Seriously. Take a year of law school and see how much fascinating shit you have left to talk about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944715)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
I know, but I felt like it was worse at Chicago.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944851)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:39 PM Author: AnonUofC2L Subject: the truth
What I hate about the UChicago:
1. parking. If you're not a supernerd there at 7:30, you park in the ghetto, and it still takes 15 minutes to find a parking spot.
2. the construction. What's left of the library is packed, the green lounge doesn't have enough working plugins for laptops, and the mid-century chairs downstairs are not comfortable. You ILs are especially getting screwed.
3. the douchebaggery. but it's limited to a few people, almost all of whom post on here.
4. the gossip. but from what I see on here, it's at other schools, too. And, lots of people have things to talk about besides other people.
5. hyde park doesn't completely blow, but mostly it does. It does have a nice nerdy feel to it, with little bookshops, etc., and it's very diverse, which is nice, but no nightlife and shitty grocery and restaurant options for the most part.
6. the akwardness. not pervasive, but it's just that the gunners are more visible because they talk a lot. (but sometimes, they have interesting things to say.)
Ok. What I love about it.
1. the education. do not take this for granted. the professors are amazing, and the other students will challenge you. the professors are mostly approachable, and if you care, so do they.
2. the education. do not underestimate this.
3. the cost of living in chicago is way lower than in new york. you're gonna spend most of your time studying anyway, so take the money you saved and travel on the breaks, which at winter is 3 weeks. less debt is nice.
4. Chicago as a city is awesome. Not as crowded as new york, lots of green space, it's a well-designed city with everything wonderful. the weather is not LA, but neither is new york. see weather now.
5. the people here are mostly cool and interesting. i like pretty much everyone i talk to.
6. employers love chicago, and almost everybody gets a great job so easily it's ridiculous.
7. late fall start means weeks off at the end of summer. SWeet.
Clearly, 7 > 6. Therefore, Chicago is a good choice.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944804)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:42 PM Author: Teen
"2. the construction. What's left of the library is packed, the green lounge doesn't have enough working plugins for laptops, and the mid-century chairs downstairs are not comfortable. You ILs are especially getting screwed. "
I'm sure this is shitty for current students, but supposedly this will all be done for next year's crop of 1Ls and it should be quite nice when it's finished.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944835)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: LatinLover696969
cool post, thx
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944854)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:44 PM Author: SteveSteve
I troll for chicago on this board because I went there, but will take a step back from my typical aggressive posture where I rail on idiots who think NYU is a better school to say, I had the same worries when I was choosing between UC and NYU, I had three really awesome years in Chicago - the place is rigorous, people are serious about there work, but there are plenty of really cool people, and there are always parties people going out etc. - life is normal - people are just really smart- if you're worried about being stuck in a hell of socially maladjusted law and econ theorists for three years, stop worrying- I liked my undergrad, but enjoyed myself even more in law school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944853)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:18 PM Author: 174 (I wear Lacoste in the shower)
Apparently they're not too rigorous about there grammar.
-Asshole
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945114)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:22 PM Author: cutepug
I have degrees from Chicago. While none is from the law school, I can tell you that it, just like the rest of the university, is intensely intellectual; this reflects the fact that the law school faculty publish more per capita than any other law school.
I also know some graduates who ended up clerking at the supreme court. They are great people whose intellectual honesty is extraordinary.
In my view, for intellectual intensity, I believe that Yale and Stanford match Chicago. At least those are the only schools I would consider choosing over Chicago. Small, intimate, intense. Gotta love it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945149)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:31 PM Author: 174 (I wear Lacoste in the shower)
It's always amusing how Chicago students insist their school is more "intellectual" and "academic" than schools that are obviously superior in both categories. In terms of your YS comparison- rest assured, no one at these schools considers Chicago to be a "peer." This is like when Dechert or whatever firm it was said its peers were Cravath, S&C and DPW.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945199)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 2:05 AM Author: MindTheGap76
<reposted below>
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7946589)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: roffles roffles
How do you feel about intellectual rigor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:57 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Not sure I really saw any of that when I visited various classes. Contrary to my expectations, the students didn't seem outrageously intelligent. The profs were a completely different story.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944491)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
YFWGI
but really, intellectual rigor=/=outragous intelligence. it = douchebag mentality that "good" law schools means TONS more reading that is really necessary and hashing out MINOR points of cases for 3x as long as would be spent at a normal law school.
that said, if that level of detail is what you want, UChi is probably the place for you. if you want to learn how Law works IRL, enjoy CLS or NYU.
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944498)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:00 PM Author: maximinusthrax
yeah, it sounds like the OP would be better off at CLS or NYU
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944502)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:03 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
you assume the OP is actually laid-back, etc.
he brought up intellectual rigor... tells me he might be a gunnerific douchebag in disguise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944517)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:08 PM Author: juliensorel Subject: complete flame re reading load
I have 20 pages per class on a bad night. Trademarks has about 7 pages per class, contracts has 10-12...
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944546)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:30 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"he brought up intellectual rigor..."
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM
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How do you feel about intellectual rigor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482)
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O RLY?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944714)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:11 PM Author: alex12
as a 1L at chicago, I can say that it's a pretty positive experience. the students are smart overall, but 1L's are pretty bogged down in memo writing and at this point in the year the overall attention level that most students have towards class has decreased somewhat.
the professors and career opportunities are very good, and chicago is itself a great city.
hyde park isn't the best place in the world but if you are careful it's fairly safe and it's right on the lake front which is nice.
overall it's law school. it won't be great anywhere but it's a pretty good experience here and i would recommend it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944581)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:20 PM Author: 174 (I wear Lacoste in the shower)
The smart students are all at HYS, so unless Chicago hired a few as decoys you wouldn't have seen any.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945136)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
dude, just go to CHI.
hopefully you'll love it.
if you were really laid-back, though, you'd probably want to go a school in a better city with classmates who were more likely to have picked their school (NYU or CLS) over UChi and are just plain happier intead of trying to prove how hardworking they are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944574)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:31 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Okay, I get your point. Now would you please keep the flame level down so that other people can respond too?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944721)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:27 PM Author: simphear
Well, it's true that the kids who show up to ASW self-select to a significant degree. That said, they're still students! They'll be here when you get here, they'll be some of the kids you'll have a chance to interact with.
When I came to ASW at Chicago, I was really impressed with the students and how nice they were, but I was really, really turned off by the douchebaggery of a lot of the other prospectives. A TON of posturing was going on. A disproportionate number of those posturing 0Ls? Didn't end up here. So it seems like Chicago is able to drive at least the worst douchebags away.
As for douchebaggery at Chicago? I think it's kind of exaggerated on xoxo. I don't know how to explain MTG's outburst, really; normally he's a really nice, generous guy, it just seems like he slipped up but didn't want to admit it. Really, the idea that we're all douchebags here comes from the NYU and CLS trolls. And I don't even know where this 100/page a night thing came from. It's completely untrue.
I don't know, man. Chicago's biggest demerit is probably its location, not its student body. I find myself surrounded by lots of bright, unique individuals who aren't just so fucking fascinated with themselves and their future preftigious careers. I'd say for you to just go with your gut; you'll end up happy wherever you go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944691)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Teen
Could you give some examples of this posturing? MOST of the other prospective students I met weren't bad. I met a very small number of douchebag prospectives, and very few douchebag current students.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944703)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
What he's saying could be true. The d-bag prospectives that stood out in my mind (and still do) were usually kids that, by Saturday, had committed to going elsewhere (H, Y, and CLS).
Come to think of it, a few prospectives I absolutely hated have also committed to Chi, so that isn't completely true.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944753)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: Teen
This seems pretty credited now that I think about it. I believe one kid who was a gigantic douchebag had been accepted to Yale. Then again, I met someone else who was accepted to Yale who wasn't a douche, even though that Y acceptance made it pretty obvious he wasn't going to end up at Chicago.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944789)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:35 PM Author: simphear
Well, a LOT of kids were talking about their portfolio of admission offers. Comparing, contrasting. I mean, why don't you just whip it out and get it over with? A lot of annoying talk about comparing JD/MBA programs (Harvard? Chicago?). The HORROR of having to choose. There was the girl who asked the question about international law at the town hall with the Dean, too. "Blah, blah, I want to take nineteen international law courses but I can't here, blah, blah." Oh, and then there was that insufferable prick from Chicago (the city) with an admission to Yale. "I'm just coming for the food." God, what a faggot he was. Etc., etc.
Maybe it was more of a feel thing, but I was relieved not to recognize most of the faces I saw at orientation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944755)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:49 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"Well, a LOT of kids were talking about their portfolio of admission offers."
You mean they would go through every single offer they got? The people I talked to mostly just talked about the top 2 or 3 schools they were considering.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944881)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: simphear
*shrugs* Enough that it was clear it was a pissing contest. Why would 0Ls talk to one another about their options? There really didn't seem to be any need for it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944930)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:29 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts Subject: Preserved for posterity.
Date: April 16th, 2007 8:42 PM
Author: Renattta Deshittta
Subject: U Chicago's reputation: Myth?
I enjoyed my visit to U Chicago's ASW. People there seemed a bit more socially awkward and reserved than the ones at the NYC schools, but they made up for it by being a hell of a lot nicer. I did not meet anybody that was intolerable, both among current students and admits. Everybody was willing to help without being overbearing or obnoxious.
Now, I've heard that U Chicago students tend to be insufferable douchebags and gunners. Not the kind that hides books in the library or refuses to let you see their notes, but I don't think any top law school has an abundance of these kids; they are probably concentrated more heavily at the lower ranked law schools anyway. There's been a lot of drama regarding U of C on xoxo (to be fair, the same goes for CLS with the 3L fed court BS and NYU's feminazi contingent). I couldn't find much evidence of d-bagness/gunnerism during my visit, but I was told that not many current students actually attended the event because of a brief due. If all or most of the d-bags and gunners stayed away from ASW, my impression of U of C could have been skewed.
I've also gotten a bad impression of the school from the poster known as MTG, with his overzealous defense of the school culminating in a "I can out you but I won't" threat on xoxo. A couple people at ASW also told me that the gossiping did sometimes get out of hand, and that because the social life revolved mostly around the law school, people didn't get to know too many people outside of the LS and even mostly dated from within. Some complained it was too 'high-schoolish,' but that is a common complaint I have heard elsewhere (though it seemed a bit worse at Chicago).
Is what I saw at U Chicago's ASW non-representative of the big picture? Do you agree or disagree with its reputation? Please offer advice, criticism, defense or attacks about the law school. With exactly 2 weeks remaining before seat deposits are due, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
PS: Please keep in mind that I tend to be a laid-back kinda guy. I also like to take things at face value and try to lead life in as simple a manner as possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944407)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:49 PM
Author: redaction stamp
So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?
I had a great time at the visit too. You are right about the law school seeming like HS, but I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944444)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:51 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
you saw people on their best behavior.
what do you think is more representative--1 weekend or what people have said about UChi for decades?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944454)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:52 PM
Author: redaction stamp
what like it was some kind of trick? if so, the rouse was well-executed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944463)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM
Author: CCNzeroL
It's a good thing I saw the shit you pulled on Heide Iravani, else I might take what you have to say seriously.
I was really pleasantly surprised with ASW and the peeps I met there. Upon reflection I like the place even more.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944507)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:05 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
you should go there, dood.
i'm just telling you that your school will be ranked behind NYU and CLS for the foreseeable future.
UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs and, of course, NYU and CLS are both going to pwn UCHI in cross-admits.
enjoy chicago, seriously.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944532)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:06 PM
Author: Teen
"UChi's yield is going to suffer this year bc UPenn is now a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs"
So Penn was not a great option for people who want good BIGLAW jobs last yuear, but now is? YFWGI.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944538)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:09 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
before, they would've been passing up a higher-ranked school. now, they aren't.
it makes the decision a lot easier.
this year, penn's yield in P vs CHI cross admits will rise.
similarily, NYU and CLS will continue to pwn CHI in cross admits.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944553)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:17 PM
Author: Teen
I can't believe I am taking the time to type this out, but: YFWGI
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944609)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:07 PM
Author: CCNzeroL
Thank you for proving the point I made below.
What an insufferable cocksucker you are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944540)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:24 PM
Author: Renattta Deshittta
"you saw people on their best behavior."
True, and that's what I'm worried about. Actually, I don't think I saw NYU people at their best behavior. I got a very ambivalent, I-don't-give-a-shit attitude when I visited, which makes it very hard for me to compare it to both CLS and Chi.
Do you know people at Chicago?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944666)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM
Author: Renattta Deshittta
"So your other choices are basically NYU/Columbia?"
Yes. For some reason CLS still hasn't gotten back to me about my finaid offer, but they told me I would receive final notification before the end of this week. NYU's finaid seat deposit, as many people on both xoxo and LSD have noted, is this Wednesday. I may end up narrowing my choice down to CLS vs Chicago by tomorrow.
"You are right about the law school seeming like HS"
One kid commented about how it reminded him of the small private high school he went to.
"I was really impressed with the place. It seemed like it could be potentially an awesome experience."
I got the same feeling, but I'm worried that the people running ASW were trying to pull the wool over my eyes and that I wasn't getting the full picture.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944485)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM
Author: Poetic dreamer (Whether Beauty be found in mathematics or a flower)
Dude, go to Chicago if you liked the visit. Look at the personalities of the people who post bad about it. Do they have similar personalities to your's?
You should know by now that two people at the same school taking similar classes etc, could have very different experiences, since they look for different things in life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944497)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:01 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
basically, do you think that you should have 100 pp of reading per class when 50 would really cover the topics in more depth than you'll ever actually need?
if so, go to UChi.
if you want to argue about ramifications of judge's minor comments in non-majority opinions, go to UChi.
if you want to go to a LS where everyone has a huge inferiority complex about not being at YSHNC, go to UChi.
if you want to be with people who aren't as smart as t5 law students but work harder, go to UChi
if you want to be in the midwest, not the coast, go to UChi.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944508)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM
Author: redaction stamp
seriously, this post isn't helpful at all, unless you have experienced 1L year at Chicago and at NYU/Columbia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944522)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM
Author: CCNzeroL
Okay, see stuff like this just pushes me further towards Chicago. Not because anything you say appeals to me, but because it's clear you're just lying out of some strange axe to grind.
From everything I've heard/see that I actually trust about the school, this is just utter horseshit pushed by people like you.
I came to ASW LOOKING for this to be true. But it just didn't seem to be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944524)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:04 PM
Author: Teen
If you want to listen to Paulie Walnuts, you are a dipshit.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944528)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:02 PM
Author: redaction stamp
It depends on you. I don't think the law students are really unhappy (I know a few students who go there full time). Obviously, you aren't getting the full picture. Once you're on the inside, it's going to be different.
It seems like the kids there talk about law school all the time. From what I saw, it seemed like an absoltutely fulltime thing for all three years. In that way, Chi's intensity repuration is well-deserved.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944514)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:55 PM
Author: roffles roffles
How do you feel about intellectual rigor?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944482)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:57 PM
Author: Renattta Deshittta
Not sure I really saw any of that when I visited various classes. Contrary to my expectations, the students didn't seem outrageously intelligent. The profs were a completely different story.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944491)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 8:59 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
YFWGI
but really, intellectual rigor=/=outragous intelligence. it = douchebag mentality that "good" law schools means TONS more reading that is really necessary and hashing out MINOR points of cases for 3x as long as would be spent at a normal law school.
that said, if that level of detail is what you want, UChi is probably the place for you. if you want to learn how Law works IRL, enjoy CLS or NYU.
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944498)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:00 PM
Author: maximinusthrax
yeah, it sounds like the OP would be better off at CLS or NYU
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944502)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:03 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
you assume the OP is actually laid-back, etc.
he brought up intellectual rigor... tells me he might be a gunnerific douchebag in disguise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944517)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:08 PM
Author: juliensorel
Subject: complete flame re reading load
I have 20 pages per class on a bad night. Trademarks has about 7 pages per class, contracts has 10-12...
HTH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944546)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:11 PM
Author: alex12
as a 1L at chicago, I can say that it's a pretty positive experience. the students are smart overall, but 1L's are pretty bogged down in memo writing and at this point in the year the overall attention level that most students have towards class has decreased somewhat.
the professors and career opportunities are very good, and chicago is itself a great city.
hyde park isn't the best place in the world but if you are careful it's fairly safe and it's right on the lake front which is nice.
overall it's law school. it won't be great anywhere but it's a pretty good experience here and i would recommend it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944581)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:10 PM
Author: Paulie Walnuts
dude, just go to CHI.
hopefully you'll love it.
if you were really laid-back, though, you'd probably want to go a school in a better city with classmates who were more likely to have picked their school (NYU or CLS) over UChi and are just plain happier intead of trying to prove how hardworking they are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944574)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:27 PM
Author: simphear
Well, it's true that the kids who show up to ASW self-select to a significant degree. That said, they're still students! They'll be here when you get here, they'll be some of the kids you'll have a chance to interact with.
When I came to ASW at Chicago, I was really impressed with the students and how nice they were, but I was really, really turned off by the douchebaggery of a lot of the other prospectives. A TON of posturing was going on. A disproportionate number of those posturing 0Ls? Didn't end up here. So it seems like Chicago is able to drive at least the worst douchebags away.
As for douchebaggery at Chicago? I think it's kind of exaggerated on xoxo. I don't know how to explain MTG's outburst, really; normally he's a really nice, generous guy, it just seems like he slipped up but didn't want to admit it. Really, the idea that we're all douchebags here comes from the NYU and CLS trolls. And I don't even know where this 100/page a night thing came from. It's completely untrue.
I don't know, man. Chicago's biggest demerit is probably its location, not its student body. I find myself surrounded by lots of bright, unique individuals who aren't just so fucking fascinated with themselves and their future preftigious careers. I'd say for you to just go with your gut; you'll end up happy wherever you go.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944704)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: roffles roffles
Why all the Chicago hate?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944810)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:41 PM Author: Teen
Becuase he's some of the worst flame on the board.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944826)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:45 PM Author: CCNzeroL
From what I've seen of this guy, he does three things: out people, claim to be powerful and important, and hate on UChicago. I have no idea how these three things are related, but its obviously clear he's just regurgitating cliches about the school without knowing the first thing about it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944858)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:37 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
I guess what I'd like is to hear from people both happy and unhappy with Chicago (and their reasons for feeling the way they do) who aren't known Chicago trolls. Some of you have already posted and I thank you for doing so.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944778)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:56 PM Author: peppermint gomez
i'm a current chicago student and i'm glad i chose to go here.
here's what i think is good about chicago:
1) i'm a very lazy student, but very curious. chicago is great for that because there's often something interesting going on but i don't need to either look hard for it or really do any work to attend/participate.
2) i'm a very lazy student, but want lots of job options. chicago's reputation for "rigor" or whatver ensures that my employment opportunities are fantastic.
3) the small student body means people pretty much have to deal with each other. this is good because it means different people from different social, political, etc. groups interact. i like it that way.
here's what i don't like:
1) the small student body means people pretty much have to deal with each other. some days, i really just want certain fuckers to stfu.
2) the weather could be better. to be fair, the weather is pretty shit at all top law schools save stanford and boalt.
3) hyde park is not the most exciting place in the world. it is cheap, though. the good news is that many just move up north for 2L and 3L years, and chicago itself is a great city.
i think a lot of people choose chicago because of intanglibles like the "vibe" they got here. no doubt that is also why a lot of people choose CN or even PVM over chicago. whether the place is right for you depends on your interests and priorities, but you already know that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944936)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:58 AM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Thanks man, I just saw this. Good post.
I got a good vibe at all three when I visited. Makes my decision tough.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7948048)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: SteveSteve
I troll for chicago on this board because I went there, but will take a step back from my typical aggressive posture where I rail on idiots who think NYU is a better school to say, I had the same worries when I was choosing between UC and NYU, I had three really awesome years in Chicago - the place is rigorous, people are serious about there work, but there are plenty of really cool people, and there are always parties people going out etc. - life is normal - people are just really smart- if you're worried about being stuck in a hell of socially maladjusted law and econ theorists for three years, stop worrying- I liked my undergrad, but enjoyed myself even more in law school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944792)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: roffles roffles
Why'd you edit?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944839)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:46 PM Author: SteveSteve
I read over the part where I yell on the NYU trolls and thought it sounded a little too douchey in context - I really do think that this person will enjoy the place, so I didn't want to scare her off by giving an aggressive verbal beat down to the NYU trolls.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944865)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: roffles roffles
Why all the NYU h8, dood?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944963)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:08 PM Author: SteveSteve
I suppose the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that the way in which NYU trolls make claims that NYU is better than Chicago demonstrates the opposite; US news is just some crummy magazine - when this magazine is your law schools only claim to greatness, you don't go to a good school - you point this out to NYU trolls and they say "yeah but were ranked 4th in US news so we're better"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945050)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:14 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
I found that Chicago students hated NYU more than any other law school. It's a pretty good school, and I just couldn't understand the animosity. There was also a fair amount of Penn bashing after current students had some drinks, but NYU was by far the most popular target or ridicule.
(Not that there was a lot of this going on)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945094)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: simphear
I wonder who these kids are. I don't understand this purported animosity, either, but then again I've never heard of Chicago students bashing on NYU in any systematic way. Were they 2L's? They seem to be an abnormally douchey group, relatively speaking.
Personally, I hope the ranking foibles of Chicago might knock some sense into us and get us off the rankings. Yeah, they're a modern reality of the legal market these days, but there's no point in dwelling on it after you're admitted. It's just a perennial source of unnecessary stress.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945122)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:04 PM Author: heyzeus
"It's just a perennial source of unnecessary stress."
If this is true you are an enormous douche.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945427)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:08 PM Author: roffles roffles
No kidding. If your school was good when you enrolled, it will be good when you graduate--barring some catastrophe that you don't need a magazine to tell you about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945464)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: roffles roffles
I don't quite see why this is such a sensitive issue for you. Who cares what the NYU trolls say? Ranting about NYU just makes you look like a bitter asshole.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945128)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:27 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Agree 100%. Seems like Chicago is a niche school anyway. Why should the ranking matter so much as long as Chicago is among the top 5 or 6 (or 7, you get the point) schools in the nation?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945179)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:43 PM Author: dunesand
Hey, I'm at Chicago. I chose it over NYU and CLS simply because I liked the city better. I think that a lot of people obsess over small differences in academics/jobs/rigor or whatever and don't consider that this is where you are going to be spending three years of your life. If you really like NYC, then I wouldn't chose Chicago over one of those schools. And if you're like me and love Chicago, then this is the place to be. It shouldn't be as complicated as people make it out to be. One last note is that law school really is what you make it - I think that people who are happy here would be happy anywhere, and the reverse is true too.
good luck
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944842)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:51 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Thanks Nick. I like both Chicago and New York. Very different cities, but I found that there's a lot to like in both. Doesn't help my decision, but it's nice to know that I probably *won't* hate the place I'll eventually end up.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944898)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: dunesand
I just wish the weather was better Friday. it was beautiful today.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944910)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:41 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
Friday's weather was pretty good. Is it normally even better than that?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945278)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: Glannon
Someone like OP to that UChicago catfight from the other night.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944885)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:50 PM Author: _______________
stats?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944892)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:59 PM Author: _______________
[bug]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944965)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:16 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
6' 185 lbs?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945106)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 9:58 PM Author: bboygunner
I can't speak to U Chicago's rep as a bastion of gunners/douchebags, but Hyde Park's rep as sketchy is pretty accurate. My friend's brother went to U Chi for LS (graduated in early 90's, so maybe HP is better now, but I doubt it based on when I went through last year), and while eating in a McDonald's in HP he saw a drug deal go down just outside the window. The dealer saw him, made eye contact, finished his deal, and then came inside and sat across from him. The dealer glared at him, and motioned like he had a gun under the table (my friend's bro wasn't keen on looking under to double check) and said "if you tell a single person, I'll fucking kill you." Looks like you're more likely to experience rigor mortis than intellectual rigor.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7944951)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:32 PM Author: MrHands
There is a new McDonalds in a safe location, so there is not need to go to the bad one any more.
Hyde Park is sketchy, but really only if you venture outside certain areas. 1L year we would walk back from the bars (the very few there are) at night without any issues (although not sure I'd do this if a woman).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945210)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:32 PM Author: dasz
that's a stupid anecdote. if the deal was small, the "dealer" wouldnt give a fuck if your brother's bigmac-ing ass "made eye contact" with him, let alone issue a death threat. if it was for actual weight, it would be in an apartment, not in front of some ghetto mcdonalds where lots of cops probably lurk.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945650)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 11:37 PM Author: bboygunner
i dont care what kind of logic you want to impose on the story, but it's how it happened
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945694)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 8:29 AM Author: slick_nick
hahaha, titcr. He witnessed the guy sell a gram of weed to a teen in a McDonalds parking lot, I don't think his life was in danger.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947340)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:19 PM Author: Cloak of Anonymity
Did you visit NU and see their vastly better location?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945120)
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Date: April 16th, 2007 10:33 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
I heard about it from several students at the ASW. They were still committed to NU after the event, so I guess the location must be pretty sweet. I didn't apply to NU.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7945224)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:58 AM Author: Ace
If you need to imply that UC loses significant numbers of cross-admits to NU, and apparently you do, post stats with cites to back it up.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947038)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 9:30 AM Author: Renattta Deshittta
"If you need to imply that UC loses significant numbers of cross-admits to NU, and apparently you do"
That's not what I was implying at all. I only met around 2-3 NU cross-admits, but they were all still committed to NU even after visiting UC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7947412)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 3:55 PM Author: Ace
Then you're relying on atypical incidents which have no probative value. Either way, you're relying on faulty logic to make your desperate points.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7949418)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:32 PM Author: Renattta Deshittta
I am NOT making any kind of points you d-bag. Seriously, get out of my thread troll.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950068)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 5:37 PM Author: Paulie Walnuts
ya, that guy should leave this thread to the Chicago trolls who have made it soooo obvious that Chicago really isn't a school full of gunnerific social retards!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950101)
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Date: April 17th, 2007 6:36 PM Author: Angry Plaza If your class/clinic selection system is as shitty as Columbia's you are in for a frustrating three years. Stay away from CLS whatever you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7950521) |
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Date: April 17th, 2007 11:26 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Do you go to CLS? Is the selection system really bad enough that one should 'stay away from CLS?' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7952538) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch One thing I've learned from this thread is that there are outstanding issues that need to be resolved at U of C re: the exam concentration camp name incident. There should be some kind of discussion or town hall meeting to get this out, since it seems like a lot of you exploded into discussion about it here on xoxo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7956215) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 3:44 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Your hyperbole is showing. Messages about an incident that happened 2 years ago can hardly be termed an explosion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957393) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:12 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel what you saw on this thread is pretty typical of UofC -- people getting overworked about something they don't have any power over or any insight to add to. uofc students flock to these issues like coyotes to a lamb. they then offer some of the most appallingly bad arguments on both sides. but it doesn't matter how good the arguments are anyway because they don't change their views or take seriously the problems pointed out to them.
but hey, you can't fault them for not being interested. they try. and maybe in quiet moments of reflection they do revisit the issues; i do. |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: Adventurous brindle base corn cake Your sanctimony and patronizing "above-it-all" tone here is pretty appalling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957566) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:17 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel wtf, you are entirely misreading the post d-bag.
EDIT: just read my post again to make sure. yep, you must've turned off the subtlety cognition in your positronic relay you soulless monstrosity.
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Date: April 18th, 2007 5:03 PM Author: Multi-colored Old Irish Cottage Address Welcome back, dood. For a moment, I thought you might have been Cho, given the timing of your retirement and the uncanny resemblance between your prose and his. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957948) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:43 PM Author: razzmatazz locale athletic conference Typical of law students in general I suspect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957789) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:53 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel i suspect this as well. but since i don't have any unique insight to law students generally i restricted my scope a little. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957861) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:47 PM Author: Coiffed tan indian lodge toaster Objections, you laid no foundations for your overreaching conclusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957809) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:43 PM Author: razzmatazz locale athletic conference If you want town hall meetings do not go to Chicago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957794) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:48 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I'm not a big fan of BS town hall meetings, but when there's this much bad mojo you have to let it out somehow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957822) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:52 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault As far as I know, there isn't any bad mojo. It happened two years ago and was dealt with then. The people who actually took the test all seem to be okay with things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957853) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:55 PM Author: frozen passionate roast beef chapel MTG is right, there is no bad mojo. this is just law students bickering because they can. welcome to the fold my neophyte friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957877) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:59 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Crap. You just ruined my day :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957908) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 4:51 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7957845) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 10:08 PM Author: sapphire floppy theater wagecucks recommendation for a good U of C tavern- Jiimy's Woodlawn tap on 55th street next to the fire station. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7959772) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 8:06 AM Author: Know-it-all blood rage are there any others? i've heard that the answer is no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7962030) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 12:59 PM Author: clear bipolar market the pub. see below for standing pitcher offer to freshly matriculated students.
EDIT: jimmy's is a shithole, and deserves no props. |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 2:00 PM Author: sapphire floppy theater wagecucks ok, no chance of picking up an easy drunk slut there, but still cool in an old school way. ?I used to work in the neighborhood east of washington park- no way in hell was i going into a bar there after work. when House of Tiki closed, switched to Jimmy's....couldn't really see drinking it up at Medici, and Leona's hadn't opened yet (yes i know that's a pathetic choice as a tavern.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963567) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: sapphire floppy theater wagecucks at one time there was a really cool place called the House of Tiki- a really cool Polynesian place that had been there forever. It's been closed almost 7-8 years now. For what it's worth, Jimmy's is cool as hell, one of those old school bars that all kinds of people go into. Everyone from egghead students to real blue collar workers. They keep the baseball encyclopedia at the bar too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963534) |
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Date: April 18th, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Awkward nursing home none of you really knows shit about either this prof, or his scholaship, or even what treblinka really means, but we've got like 200 fucking posts about it.
note to 0Ls: if you do not like being involved in lengthy debate about shit no one involved knows shit about, do NOT go to law school. |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 12:18 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "none of you really knows shit about either this prof, or his scholaship, or even what treblinka really means, but we've got like 200 fucking posts about it."
Please, enlighten us about it.
Also, most of the posts were about others things. |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:55 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I was leaning towards NYU during the day, but now as I get ready to go to bed I'm leaning towards Chicago. And yesterday I was leaning towards CLS.
Fuck this. :'( |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 2:01 AM Author: adulterous boltzmann church go to chicago if you want southside gangsters to highjack you for your rimz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7961404) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 8:08 AM Author: Exhilarant Step-uncle's House Just CLS it, it's ivy + good law school
UofC = crazed academic assholes NYU = almost a state school
CLS = only real choice |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 9:44 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Nah, if NYU were almost a state school they'd actually have a campus and division 1 athletics.
True, Chicago people do seem really intense and not just about academics (see discussions in this thread). But for some reason I can't write them off because of the profs and CoL.
CLS does seem to have more than its fair share of assholes and douchebags, though they're relatively harmless compared to NYU's or Chicago's. |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 12:56 PM Author: clear bipolar market come here dood. i'll buy you a pitcher at the pub, which is a very fine establishment (really I mean this -- the beer selection is great, and the hot wings are adequate). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963170) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 12:58 PM Author: crimson razzle-dazzle ticket booth Now I expect a pitcher as well. TYIA! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963180) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:00 PM Author: clear bipolar market standing offer for any xo-posting admitees that make the right decision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963204) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:00 PM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault And they take credit card now too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963197) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:03 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I read your rant re: Chicago while diong a search. Do you stand by that information and still want me to come to Chicago? j/k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963234) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:09 PM Author: clear bipolar market yes of course i stand by it. but i still have reason to make sure UofC recruits well. and what i'm offering you is a genuinely good reason to come to a school (beer). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963267) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch if you were in my shoes would you still make the same decision you made 1-2 years ago?
also, i can get beer anywhere man. that's weak :P |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 3:17 PM Author: clear bipolar market if i chose to go to law school (a BIG if), i would still choose the university of chicago, assuming i didn't get off the Harvard waitlist. i should have stayed on the H waitlist. damn.
my reasons for choosing Chi over Col:
1) class size 2) faculty 3) academia 4) scholarship/CoL 5) RIGOR 6) dean levmore
Why I regret coming to law school (in brief and in rough order of importance): 1) D-bags 2) The law 3) Hyde Park 4) Lack of fulfillment/feel like sellout/am sellout 5) Dislike of meaningless stress 6) Realization that there are tons of ppl smarter than me who will also out-work/class me 7) Debt 8) The socratic 9) My fed jur grade (when i finally get it i'm sure it will destroy my future clerking chances; why didn't someone tell me to not take it until after i've secured a clerkship???)
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Date: April 19th, 2007 6:00 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch "my reasons for choosing Chi over Col: 1) class size 2) faculty 3) academia 4) scholarship/CoL 5) RIGOR 6) dean levmore"
1 I'm ambivalent about, 2/4/6 I love (Dean Levmore is one funny dude), 3 I'm apathetic about, and 5 I'm a bit scared of.
"Why I regret coming to law school (in brief and in rough order of importance): 1) D-bags 2) The law 3) Hyde Park 4) Lack of fulfillment/feel like sellout/am sellout 5) Dislike of meaningless stress 6) Realization that there are tons of ppl smarter than me who will also out-work/class me 7) Debt 8) The socratic 9) My fed jur grade (when i finally get it i'm sure it will destroy my future clerking chances; why didn't someone tell me to not take it until after i've secured a clerkship???)" 3/4 sound like reasons to go to NYU (NYC plus PI+LRAP), 1/2/6/7/8 sound like reasons to just not go to LS in the first place, and 9 I can't help you with lol. |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 3:21 PM Author: clear bipolar market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963984) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 4:52 AM Author: mentally impaired internal respiration NYU is basically a state school with none of the advantages (campus, sports). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7968874) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 1:04 PM Author: racy light telephone please for the log of god, let this thread die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963242) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch I feel like it's my child, so NEVAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7963640) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 8:20 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Evening bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7965588) |
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Date: April 19th, 2007 11:41 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch 300th post bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7967243) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 1:09 AM Author: Big-titted bawdyhouse digit ratio This is the first time I've ever posted on this board but the kid I hosted during UC's admit weekend told me about it. Kind of an odd community here. Look, go wherever you want for law school but this notion that we were "pulling the wool over your eyes" during ASW is ridiculous. What do I care if you come to Chicago, its not like I have a stake in next year's 1L class. The reason you saw people who were happy and liked law school is simply because (at least for this year's 1L class) most of us do.
If you don't think you will like learning about the law and are only doing it to become a rich lawyer then go to NYU or columbia, get drunk in the village, hang out with other people who dont like law school (and consequently act like they "dont give a shit" during admit weekends) then go work at some NYC firm.
Its not that people here are "gunners" or "douches" who want to argue about nonsense endlessly. Its just that in addition to wanting to be lawyers, people like the law. That said, its not like we sit around debating law and economics all day. We went out 3-4 times a week the first half of the year and will probably do so again for the next two.
Columbia, NYU, Penn, wherever are all great schools and for the majority of grads the options will be the same. But if you liked the people you met at admit weekend and thought Chicago felt right then you should come. I was set on Columbia last spring and fell in love with Chicago after visiting. I have no reason to lie by posting on some random message board that my instinct has proven correct. |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 1:24 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Calm down dude. You Chicago folks get way overworked when you feel like someone's 'slighted' your school. I liked it, but with all the rumors flying around I just wanted to see how people would respond. The response has mostly been positive.
"If you don't think you will like learning about the law and are only doing it to become a rich lawyer then go to NYU or columbia, get drunk in the village, hang out with other people who dont like law school (and consequently act like they "dont give a shit" during admit weekends) then go work at some NYC firm." Honestly I got way too much of this when I visited. It's not like people at other law schools don't enjoy learning about the law. There may be more people at Chicago who do because of self-selection, but the holier-than-thou attitude gets tiresome after a while. |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 4:32 AM Author: Autistic Chartreuse Organic Girlfriend Double Fault I think the point is that if you have absolutely no interest in law school itself, there is no reason to put up with the disadvantages of Chicago. You can get a better extra-law school experience elsewhere, and hang out with like-minded people.
On the other hand, if you're into it, then Chicago offers some unique advantages that counterbalance some of the negatives. That doesn't mean people elsewhere all hate the law, just that Chicago is going to hold special appeal to those who are a more interested in it. |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 3:29 AM Author: clear bipolar market i would like to be the first to say that this thread to it to the next level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7968676) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 4:44 AM Author: Multi-colored Old Irish Cottage Address Hard to argue with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7968851) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 10:21 AM Author: clear bipolar market wow. little more drunk than i thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7969213) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 11:47 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Seems like you folks drink a lot. BTW, were you around during ASW? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7969547) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 2:07 PM Author: clear bipolar market nope. i don't do recruiting events, for obvious reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7970465) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 2:24 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch What are those obvious reasons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7970595) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 6:29 AM Author: Well-lubricated trip gas station pozpig To OP: you're probably stupid. Come to Hastings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7968958) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 6:33 AM Author: Curious elastic band TITCR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7968960) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 9:40 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Will they accept an app this late in the season? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7969105) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 8:43 AM Author: contagious mental disorder NYUs the way to go. ywia, bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7969019) |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 9:25 AM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Ugh, that's right. You guys have Jill F. +1 to both Chi and CLS. BTW, what the hell is the Dean's Cup? |
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Date: April 20th, 2007 9:26 AM Author: contagious mental disorder phallocentrism at its worst.
theyre assuming a dean could never be female ...or a non-athlete
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Date: April 20th, 2007 9:12 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch how much of a presence does jill f have at NYU? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7972922) |
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Date: April 21st, 2007 10:17 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch Bump before I go out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=614778&forum_id=2#7978381) |
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Date: April 30th, 2007 11:06 PM Author: charcoal hairraiser tank brunch how many of you got FLAMEPWN3D?!
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=624190&forum_id=2#8039035 |
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Date: November 23rd, 2007 1:03 PM Author: Lascivious library striped hyena
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