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Date: September 27th, 2007 10:56 PM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
1. The place was filled, and filled with fucking douches. How many fucking people are Cravath accepting? There were at least 40 CLS students there, many of them were fucking obvious retards. what the fuck.
2. Guys, they emphasized that a) the attorneys will be coming from the office and wearing suits and ties, b) you can wear business casual, but wear a jacket (Daniel requires a jacket), yet many fucking retards still showed up with nasty ass wrinkly shirts untucked and no jackets. You fucking poors.
3. One douche ACCPED HIS OFFER during dinner. They stopped everyone and made a big deal out of it. "This guy just accepted our offer!! Woohoo!"
Fucking douchefag. Then he went around the room like he deserved fucking compliments.
4. Did I say 80% of the CLS students there were obvious retards? I forgot to mention the 8 Fordham transfers there. That's right, CLS students. If you didn't get an offer from Cravath, that's because these faggots from Fordham took your spots even though they scored 162 on the LSAT and couldn't get a decent undergrad GPA for their lives. Then they got dumped to Fordham, did better than the other retards there, and all of a sudden they're supposed to be smarter than you. When will CLS realize that just because these morons (by default) did better than the other imbeciles at Fordham doesn't mean they have a three-digit IQ? When will CLS stop accepting these faggots?
5. Fuck Cravath. I'm turning down the offer tomorrow.
EDIT: to clarify, i didn't just mean that the 40 CLS (well, 32, minus the Fordham fags) at the dinner were douchefags. Many undoubtedly were. But I was really trying to emphasize the fact that many were RETARDS. From my year at CLS I have met some truly bright people. Unfortunately, almost none of them were at the dinner tonight. Meanwhile, there were many retards who spoke FAR too often in class about things that revealed FAR too much of their ignorance and idiocy. Also unfortunately, almost all of them were at the dinner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698456) |
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Date: September 27th, 2007 11:08 PM Author: hideous den
hahaa, excellent thread. i very much enjoyed it.
179.
agreed on the part about transfers. transfers are fretards.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698501) |
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Date: September 27th, 2007 11:16 PM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
tyty
everything about tonight makes me sick. including the excessive amount of wine that i drank
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698522) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 4:26 AM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
of course they will. i already skipped over 50% of my classes so far. why the fuck would I care? most of the original CLS 1Ls who are off to BIGLAW and aren't retarded enough to try to clerk stop caring after 2L OCI. It's only the retarded douchefag transfers who continue to gun throughout the rest of law school.
I'm not even going to make stone scholar this year and next, i'm calling it. So what? what does that have to do with my thread?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703785) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 3:32 PM Author: Misanthropic dopamine
"4. Did I say 80% of the CLS students there were obvious retards? I forgot to mention the 8 Fordham transfers there. That's right, CLS students. If you didn't get an offer from Cravath, that's because these faggots from Fordham took your spots even though they scored 162 on the LSAT and couldn't get a decent undergrad GPA for their lives. Then they got dumped to Fordham, did better than the other retards there, and all of a sudden they're supposed to be smarter than you. When will CLS realize that just because these morons (by default) did better than the other imbeciles at Fordham doesn't mean they have a three-digit IQ? When will CLS stop accepting these faggots? "
Actually, these "faggots" would have gotten cravath offers had they stayed at Fordham. So, had they not transfered, 32 Columbia students would have been at the Columbia dinner and 8 more would have been at the Fordham one. I hope this helps. xoxo, 2nd Yr. BigLaw Loligator.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701095) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 3:54 PM Author: Misanthropic dopamine
I googled Cravath and went to "attorney search." Looks like aside from the HYS standard the next primary set of law schools was from NYC. (correct me if I'm wrong - I think Fordam is in the city? - sorry not from there).
Anyways, there were 32 attorneys listed from Fordham, compared w/ 64 from NYU, and 82 from Columbia.
There were less than 20 attorneys from each of these schools I looked up: Cornell, Penn, Chicago, Georgetown, UVA. (and for the record, ok, only 9 from Stanford).
Another note is I didn't pay attn to attorneys' titles and what they might have implied.
But all in all, it didn't look too bad for Fordam...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8705209)
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Date: September 28th, 2007 4:00 PM Author: know-it-all location
*accepts his Cravath offer*
*expects compliments*
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*drops glasses*
*demands money*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701252) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 4:24 AM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
i actually did get an offer from wachtell. i wasn't going to mention it because i was planning to accept and didn't want to get close to outting myself (there're only about 5-6 of us from CLS I believe, and at least 3-4 are clearly not XOXOers)
but after thinking about it, i'm not going to do wachtell either. I don't have the energy to explain that decision.
But yes, you're right - the reception dinners at other top firms will be essentially the same. But then i think the proper response would be for me to write a similar thread for each dinner reception, and not omit my tirades altogether. what do you think?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703783) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:00 PM Author: Disrespectful peach business firm
rofl. cravath = TTT. CLS = TTT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698471) |
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Date: September 27th, 2007 11:01 PM Author: insane big cuck
"CLS = TTT."
no shit
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698475) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:03 PM Author: vigorous tattoo potus
Nice
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698482) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:11 PM Author: Mewling goyim
this sounds eerily similar to my cravath offer dinner. those people are unbearable. the night completely turned me off from the firm.
2 people accepted over the course of our evening.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698513) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:23 PM Author: jet hunting ground
rofl rofl rofl
my boyfriend just called me to tell me about #3. he said the guy was a huge douchebag
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698554) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:30 PM Author: charismatic theater
the saddest thing is that all the naive 0L/1L lurkers on here will think that this is flame, when it is totally not
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698588) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:34 PM Author: Mind-boggling Jade Church
At my 2L firm, at the end-of-summer dinner, people kept accepting and they kept making a big deal about it and I wanted to slink away and die.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698603) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:37 PM Author: Glassy ratface box office
Wow, seriosuly 40+ CLS students? That's impressive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698617) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:39 PM Author: Galvanic Circlehead
this past summer's stats say 20 CLS students were in the class. 20/40 = 50% hit rate, which would be pretty damn high. too bad about the fordham retards!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698633) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 7:56 AM Author: electric cyan trump supporter
"I'm hypothesizing that the type of student who goes to a "TTT" often aspires to a very different career than someone who goes to better ranked law school. Many folks at T14s have aspirations and options that are far more interesting than law firms, and are less likely to be content working shit hours at a law firm."
this is horrendously inaccurate. the primary reason for going to a t6 is you automatically get biglaw. if you wanted to save the world youd take a full ride at a t50
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699405) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 8:06 PM Author: electric cyan trump supporter
Your 'hypothesis' may be logical, but its horribly inaccurate. 'Aspirations and options' aside, the fact is that people at t14s go into biglaw at an exponentially greater rate than people at ttts. Of course someone may go to Stanford wanting to work for the EPA and may have the chance to do so, but once they realize they can make 4x as much in their 1st year at a firm they decide otherwise.
I'm hypothesizing that the type of student who goes to a "TTT" often aspires to a very different career than someone who goes to better ranked law school. Many folks at T14s have aspirations and options that are far more interesting than law firms, and are less likely to be content working shit hours at a law firm.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8702230) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:14 AM Author: Thriller crackhouse reading party
that is funny. At CLS the transfers seem to do a lot better. A lot of the original students at CLS aren't cut out for law school and law school exams, but the transfers are, so they tend to do better. Lots of kent scholar transfers. Also, they tend to work harder as 2Ls because they want to prove themselves. Alot of the transfers though are striver douches.
The sadder people are original CLS students who never do better than a B+ their entire career and end up choosing between Stroock and Katten Munchin (aka: unprestigious sweatshops.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698763) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:19 AM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
i actually mostly agree with you said. but i will add that 99% of CLS stop trying after 2L OCI, so kent scholar doesn't mean anything after 1L
but i wholeheartedly agree about transfers are striver douches, and that the CLS idiots who can't even ride the CLS name into a respectable firm are pathetic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698775) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:51 PM Author: Navy talking faggotry
this thread is truly fucking awesome. thanks for everything
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698690) |
Date: September 27th, 2007 11:56 PM Author: Wine provocative love of her life
liquidating prestige to enrich the current partnership. only self-flagellating prestige-obsessed douchetards go there. cravath and cls were meant for each other.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698701) |
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Date: September 27th, 2007 11:58 PM Author: supple meetinghouse
highly credit. too bad this model isn't sustainable. a few more years of this and cravath will be at best on par with dpw, S&C, simpson...
and then soon, cravath will become the rancid shithole that is skadden.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698703) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:17 AM Author: swashbuckling center
"too bad this model isn't sustainable."
wtf are you talking about? the douche gunners at cravath are probably going to satisfy clients better than the chillers at DPW. cravath probably finds it more sensible to impress clients than xoxo posters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698764) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:34 AM Author: supple meetinghouse
we're talking about different things. I was referring to the fact that they hire bigger and bigger classes filled with retards (hence liquidating their prestige).
if they hire real douche gunners instead of chillers, I don't think they'd be slipping like they are.
XOXOers laugh at Cravath not because it's full of gunners, because it's not, at least not anymore. They laugh because it's actually filled with retards.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698837) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 1:36 AM Author: supple meetinghouse
but that's assuming that there is something about the firm to know that illustrates quality and prestige, which goes against the entire premise of this discussion, and that is Cravath has been liquidating its prestige by indiscriminately hiring shit students from everywhere.
If you think that Cravath is still hiring quality students, then of course its model is sustainable. But then I don't even understand what we're arguing about anymore
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699054) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 1:49 AM Author: arousing ivory weed whacker
Did you even read my post you fucking retard brainless cravah troll? Cravath hired nearly 10 Fordham students who are obvious retards (trust me, i have MANY classes with these guys this term, and they're STUPID).
Even the original CLS students that Cravath hired, many were wannabe gunners who couldn't even give a decent answer in class for their lives. You would be just as angry as I am at these retards if you're sitting in class with these morons, trust me man
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699114) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:17 PM Author: Galvanic Circlehead
sorry, factory-like STB isn't in the same sentence as those other two.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8700037)
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Date: September 28th, 2007 3:31 PM Author: silver locale boiling water
loafer, you're obviously ignorant about the NYC market. If you throw in Simpson, why are you leaving out Cleary?
My friend at Columbia says that a lot of the best students there go to Cravath. Among peer NY firms (DPW, S&C, even Simpson though I don't consider it a peer) Cravath is more selective and has a yield that is twice as high.
There are plenty of reasons for not wanting to work in New York or not wanting to work at Cravath. But if you're dead-set on being in New York and you don't get a Wachtell offer, Cravath is about as good as it gets.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701090) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 5:42 PM Author: Wine provocative love of her life
you're right, cleary belongs in the group as well. i didn't exclude it intentionally.
"My friend at Columbia says that a lot of the best students there go to Cravath."
that's a great reason not to go to cravath. columbia students tend to be huge douchebags.
i go to stanford and i can tell you that almost no one goes to cravath, even though plenty go to new york. it's not for lack of an offer, either; last year, at least seven students in my class got an offer and turned it down. i think one accepted.
"Cravath is more selective and has a yield that is twice as high"
evidence?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701729) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 5:59 PM Author: silver locale boiling water
All right loafer, I know that the perception of certain firms varies at certain schools. Cravath obviously doesn't have good yield at SLS. Accordingly, Cravath might be willing to dip lower to get SLS students. So it's understandable that you have a poor view of Cravath -- both as a firm and b/c of it's selectivity.
But you should realize that it's different on the east coast, where Cravath routinely gets top students from CLS, NYU, HLS, and YLS. That's four of the top six law schools in the country.
I'm also annoyed that you keep bashing the firm even though you don't know that much about it --- e.g., you haven't done a callback there. You seem like a bright guy, so you probably could get an offer there; I'm not bashing on that account. But I think there's something to be said about seeing the office and talking to Cravath lawyers that would make your opinions about the firm more meaningful. For example, two very respected posters --- rk938 and Renada ---- have both done callbacks at Cravath and have said very positive things about the firm.
Finally, according to the CLS EIP data that was posted on this site, last year Cravath was 17 acceptances out of 31 offers; DPW was 9/39; S&C was 14/42; Simpson was 20/57; Clearly was 10/46.
It might be true that Cravath screens for people who are particularly ethusiastic about the firm (and the rotation system), so there yield is a bit higher. But it seems that CLS students interviewing with top NY firms would also interview with Cravath, and that the top NY firms are all chasing the 50 or so "top candidates" from CLS. Out of these "top candidates" Cravath is winning the yield war by quite a large margin.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701799) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: stirring voyeur
"Finally, according to the CLS EIP data that was posted on this site, last year Cravath was 17 acceptances out of 31 offers; DPW was 9/39; S&C was 14/42; Simpson was 20/57; Clearly was 10/46."
Very interesting data, mainly because it shows how much CLS students (at least your year) have preferences that are widely different from those of HLS students. Only 9/39 at Davis is insane, on the one hand, and 14/42 at S&C and 20/57 at STB is far higher than would be expected. At HLS, I can't remember anyone who picked S&C or STB over DPW (and those who chose between S&C and STB, like at Columbia, were about evenly split).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8702534) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 5:53 PM Author: pearl stubborn organic girlfriend
but the firm believes that the "cravath system" can turn ignorant first-years into superstar attorneys. they're looking for people they can train to be the best... no one really knows how to practice law just because they pass the bar.
the douches are, of course, a downside to the firm. but you can't say the training isn't awesome.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701770) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: silver locale boiling water
loafer, if you resort to name-calling or ridiculous hyperbole, it's tough to take your arguments seriously. Look, I know that Cravath isn't the most selective firm in the world at your school. Shit happens. But that doesn't change the fact that Cravath gets great students from CLS/NYU/HLS/YLS.
And back when Cravath announced bonuses, didn't you say that Cravath was shafting their associates who were "some of the most talented in the country"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701831) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 12:01 AM Author: lemon painfully honest cuckold university
cravath accepting low-level retards is frightening similar to CLS accepting fordham transfers. this is a wonderful partnership.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698716) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:03 AM Author: concupiscible mother
Cravath clearly seems to dip lower in the class in recent years, both in terms of grades and personality.
OP's post pretty much reaffirms that WLRK is now the only truly prestigious law firm in NYC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698732) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 12:08 AM Author: Comical Halford
wtf is a discovery attorney?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698746) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 6:13 AM Author: confused bronze depressive
"I would say that Cravath 1st years do less document review (on average)."
Nah, most peer firms have these people too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703818) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 2:09 PM Author: pearl stubborn organic girlfriend
They do, but your work at Cravath depends on your rotation--one 3rd yr. associate had done no doc review; another said he only did it for a smaller number of docs that had already been edited down.
One T15 firm basically said 1st and 2nd yr work was primarily doc review.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704791) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 12:19 AM Author: onyx adventurous field striped hyena
why would anyone hire someone from Fordham?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698774) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 12:23 AM Author: silver locale boiling water
This anti-trolling for Cravath is ridiculous.
Cravath is the second best firm in New York. The best firm happens to be the most selective firm in the country, so good luck getting a job there.
All of the top students at Columbia interview with Cravath. So Cravath effectively has its choice (at least when it comes to extending offers) of the very best Columbia students.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698794) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 6:16 AM Author: confused bronze depressive
You do realize that CSM is notorious from only making offers to people they think are going to accept, right?
The yield numbers are interesting, but not as useful as you might think since some firms (like CSM) play towards the numbers while others don't.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703819) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 12:06 PM Author: swashbuckling center
"CSM is notorious from only making offers to people they think are going to accept"
link?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704280) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: hideous den
"The best firm happens to be the most selective firm in the country"
I would dispute this, and so would Vault. Williams & Connolly and Munger are both often ranked as more selective, and anecdotal evidence suggests that Vault's selectivity ranking probably isn't terribly inaccurate in this regard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8700436) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 12:41 AM Author: Blathering rigpig pisswyrm
thank you for this. i think one of our partners used to work at cravath but i can't be sure. he's really ugly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8698863) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 10:55 AM Author: Wine provocative love of her life
even worse, that they didn't really exist, and that no one who really matters is impressed that you work at a rancid declining TTT of a firm because you couldn't get a job at a better one.
wachtell destroys them in corporate practice. and in litigation, covington and w&c are both far superior. anyone who goes to nyc specifically to do litigation is a little suspect already; basically you have three lies you can try to sell:
-those other firms are not in nyc and hence you did not apply to them: you're an idiot
-you applied to them and got rejected: you're an idiot
-those other firms offered you a job but you turned them down because you had your heart set on nyc: no one will believe this, and if they did, it still makes you look like an idiot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699689) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 12:20 PM Author: Galvanic Circlehead
spending all day on a message board spewing short-sighted hate about a firm you have never worked at makes YOU look like an idiot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8700048)
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Date: September 28th, 2007 2:17 PM Author: Wine provocative love of her life
short-sighted? if anything i am taking the long view about cravath's future. the firm never hires laterals. the quality of its first-year associates is the future quality of the firm.
anyway, whether i look like an idiot seems rather beside the point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8700627) |
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Date: September 28th, 2007 3:34 PM Author: silver locale boiling water
Is this thread supposed to say something about the quality of Cravath's first year associates? If so, I don't get it.
The OP's only insight is: (1) they sound dumb in class, and (2) some of them transferred from Fordham.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8701106) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: swashbuckling center
in 2006, cravath made 31 (17 accepted) offers at CLS. DPW made 38 (9), S&C made 42 (14), and STB made 57 (20). there goes your theory.
face it, you'll never win on your anti-cravath trolling. just like you never convinced anyone that nyu>columbia or that stanford>harvard. in fact, you do a good job persuading in the opposite direction, because it's so transparent how hard you must toil and stretch to make your counter-intuitive and unsubstantiated points.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704178) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 10:49 AM Author: electric cyan trump supporter
This is good stuff.
That said, there are a lot people on this thread who vastly overestimate the baseline level of competency necessary to do well in biglaw. And who think a couple points on the lsat makes or breaks an attorney.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699663) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 10:52 AM Author: insane big cuck
I have it on good authority that the dude who accepted his offer during the dinner was a plant, he will not be going to Cravath at all. He was paid $200 bucks by his friend on cravath's recruiting committee to make the firm look good and influence people to accept with his above-average social skills.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8699671) |
Date: September 28th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: khaki hospital brethren
OP - curious where else you are looking. the same people you can't stand were at the offer dinner/reception for dpw and stb as well -
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8702512) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 4:41 AM Author: Mildly Autistic Windowlicker Corner
180^180
we need more threads like this one
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703801) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 6:21 AM Author: confused bronze depressive
You people are so funny. Once you start working, all of this will seem rather stupid. All of these firms are good firms, and you will be trained well. The fact that your firm is going to have to hire some douches to get the work done is not going to make their business model implode.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703822) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 10:35 AM Author: marvelous pit
You people talking about Cravath's yield are pretty funny. This summer I shared an office a Yale kid who let me look at the YLS OCI stats just for fun. At Yale, Cravath's yield is about half of DPW's and is lower than S&C, Cleary, and even Debevoise.
CLS's Cravath yield is through the roof because people who go to CLS are ignorant prestige hounds who think Vault means something. At HYS where the students actually know stuff about firms and can get offers from most places they want, Cravath strikes out a lot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8703963) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 11:41 AM Author: pearl stubborn organic girlfriend
If that's true, it hasn't been in past years. Both CSM and DPW have an identical number of Yale students: 25. Coincidentally, they also have the exact same number of partners: 9.
They are also nearly identical in size (DP=477 v. C=484).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704176) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 12:07 PM Author: swashbuckling center
you: "you have to look at recent years"
CHANGINGTHEGOALPOSTSPWN3D
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704287) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 12:09 PM Author: thirsty dilemma
youre both idiots.
RETARDEDARGUMENTPWN3d
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704294) |
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Date: June 8th, 2008 8:10 PM Author: sapphire bateful roommate
as a fan of PWND-permutations, i enjoyed this exchange immensely.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9871151) |
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Date: September 29th, 2007 12:13 PM Author: swashbuckling center
"I can't tell you what school I go to" lol why? do you go to a school with 3 students?
post teh complete data (like the CLS posters did) or STFU
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704309)
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Date: September 29th, 2007 11:57 AM Author: insane big cuck
Someone please email this thread to their hiring partner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8704241) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 4:20 PM Author: Dark therapy
This is pretty funny, but is representative of most firms' dinner events.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8705301) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 4:47 PM Author: Shivering fear-inspiring native sneaky criminal
Should've gone to Bryan Cave.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8705386) |
Date: September 29th, 2007 9:04 PM Author: Indigo indecent national security agency fat ankles
This thread is awesome.
I was at the dinner too, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#8706403) |
Date: January 16th, 2008 5:30 PM Author: Racy obsidian school
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9173317) |
Date: June 8th, 2008 12:49 PM Author: cobalt bonkers theater stage really tough guy
Cravath has 7 summer associates from Fordham this year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870089) |
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Date: June 8th, 2008 1:33 PM Author: stimulating laser beams death wish
that's disgusting / I have no idea why that firm has such a hard on for that disgusting factory
why so many of the fordhamites?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870157)
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Date: June 8th, 2008 2:11 PM Author: flickering contagious black woman
Sounds like a pyramid scheme -- where else is there such excitement for "signing up"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870215) |
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Date: June 8th, 2008 9:04 PM Author: beady-eyed address headpube
Overrated Boiler Room reference.
Underrated Glengarry Glen Ross reference.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9871330) |
Date: June 8th, 2008 2:13 PM Author: Multi-colored skinny woman theatre
I thought the OP was exaggerating back when this was posted, but now that we know Cravath has 160 summers with 30+ from Columbia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870225) |
Date: June 8th, 2008 2:23 PM Author: puce razzmatazz office
I thought OP was flame too. But I can confirm that Cravath is crawling with pathetic Fordham faggots / Fordham faggot transfers and CLS median morons this summer
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870240) |
Date: June 8th, 2008 5:11 PM Author: Irradiated Principal's Office
Poor XOXO trash translated: "Wait a minute, big law firms in New York City hire heavily from the best regional law school in New York City? But didn't Fordham students on average get one less question right per section on the LSAT? It's almost like half of Fordham students have the same opportunities in New York as three quarters of the Columbia students. I didn't scrape my way into Yale and Columbia on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of loans to get the same job as some rich New York kid. My dad was right! I should have just been a coal-miner."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9870656) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 12:23 AM Author: Slimy mood home
"It's almost like half of Fordham students have the same opportunities in New York as three quarters of the Columbia students."
If your only desire is to be a septic repair man, a homeless guy, or an associate at Cravath, you are admittedly wasting your premium law degree.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693081&forum_id=2#9871917) |
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