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Fat girls who act confident give me teh smirks.

I just want to grab their stomach rolls with both hands and ...
red national security agency point
  06/16/08
titcr
Domesticated motley boiling water address
  06/16/08
BIG GIRLS, BIG PERSONALITIES!!!!!!!1111111111 :O) :O) :O)
provocative coffee pot
  07/10/08
i bet you're fat
Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church
  06/16/08
No. I would not be able to live with myself. Fats are rupuls...
red national security agency point
  06/16/08
would you cut out your fat with a steak knife if you became ...
Domesticated motley boiling water address
  06/16/08
OINK! you probably have a big nose and a bunch of acne to...
Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church
  06/16/08
you strike me as fat
Domesticated motley boiling water address
  06/16/08
and i can sniff out my own kind?
Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church
  06/16/08
*jiggles your fat rolls, you fat slut*
red national security agency point
  06/16/08
Try it.
Electric mentally impaired partner
  07/07/08
Recently, I have found myself reacting more and more contemp...
Thirsty cumskin
  06/16/08
Me either. I'm done with it.
red national security agency point
  06/16/08
this seems implausible edit: instead of "think"...
Nofapping coral menage
  06/16/08
this is reasonable
glittery carmine shitlib
  06/16/08
I hate fat fucks.
pink laughsome yarmulke
  06/16/08
Don't go on the TV show "Moment of Truth."
Histrionic national background story
  06/16/08
agreed, it's very hard not to dismiss them off-hand as worth...
seedy odious shrine
  07/07/08
one fucking eighty to the creator of this thread
Rusted bateful telephone
  06/16/08
tyvm
red national security agency point
  06/16/08
flawless design and execution. well done, sir.
Rusted bateful telephone
  06/16/08
180. I lol'd in public.
pink laughsome yarmulke
  06/16/08
they're divas, embracing their big. fat. ASSSSSES. http...
Carnelian Milk
  06/16/08
More so or less so than pasty, nerdy guys who attempt to hit...
crawly gaping parlour
  06/16/08
if you only get hit on by losers maybe you should look at yo...
Lascivious regret office
  06/16/08
I wasn't referring to myself, it was more an observation on ...
crawly gaping parlour
  06/16/08
nice
glittery carmine shitlib
  06/16/08
lol
Infuriating piazza
  07/06/08
180. just thinking about these manginas today.
bisexual fragrant station brethren
  07/15/08
Fat girls who embrace their fatness and look upon it as a so...
wine bat-shit-crazy set
  06/16/08
bump
bisexual fragrant station brethren
  06/16/08
I'll be bumping this one often.
Rusted bateful telephone
  06/16/08
If they act proud of being fat, then yes, that's a problem. ...
passionate candlestick maker masturbator
  06/16/08
wearing unflattering clothes they have no business wearing, ...
Azure den codepig
  06/16/08
Yeah, that is fucked up.
passionate candlestick maker masturbator
  06/16/08
I have a friend who is sometimes like this. She actually ge...
Self-absorbed flesh heaven private investor
  06/16/08
"probably on account of her confidence (she also has a ...
Brass Base
  07/07/08
ty
Azure den codepig
  07/07/08
When she said "gets guys" I wasn't sure if she mea...
Pontificating church building hunting ground
  07/07/08
yes, when the night is late, the ok fat girl whom you know i...
seedy odious shrine
  07/07/08
Is she truly obese or just a few pounds overweight? If she'...
Talented Public Bath Elastic Band
  07/07/08
...
red national security agency point
  06/17/08
TITCOP
cheese-eating brunch mexican
  06/17/08
BIGGIDY-BUMP
Rusted bateful telephone
  06/19/08
movin on up
Rusted bateful telephone
  06/19/08
Fat people disgust me. Only puppies should be fat.
Aphrodisiac Toilet Seat
  06/19/08
bumpage
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/06/08
As a corollary, I want to beat sense into normal-looking guy...
Big know-it-all depressive site
  07/06/08
"average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds ov...
bright doctorate
  07/07/08
Try this, you lazy fucking moron. http://www.google.com/s...
charismatic bearded trump supporter
  07/10/08
moron
bright doctorate
  07/15/08
Ummm, hard to understand your scintillating riposte. Did yo...
Big know-it-all depressive site
  07/15/08
Great bump.
pink laughsome yarmulke
  07/07/08
love this thread
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/08/08
Me too.
pink laughsome yarmulke
  07/10/08
fattybump
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/10/08
http://bbws-they-are-impossible.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr...
arousing psychic
  07/10/08
rub-a-dub
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/12/08
pump
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/15/08
i can't stand fucking fat shits. they're disgusting!
bisexual fragrant station brethren
  07/15/08
Why do you even care?
vibrant faggot firefighter
  07/15/08
He clearly has a fat fetish.
orange meetinghouse
  07/15/08
bump
Rusted bateful telephone
  07/29/08
Good bump.
pink laughsome yarmulke
  07/29/08
^
Rusted bateful telephone
  08/22/08
ohai!
Rusted bateful telephone
  09/23/08
awesome
Irradiated disgusting sanctuary corn cake
  09/23/08
^_^
Rusted bateful telephone
  11/07/08
chyeah
Rusted bateful telephone
  11/11/08
We should have a new rule: no dozens of bumps that don't say...
Vivacious garrison
  11/11/08
My ex gf was a fat and she had an attitude on that someone w...
Boyish Light Ticket Booth
  11/11/08
good riddance, friend.
Rusted bateful telephone
  11/11/08
lulzies
Rusted bateful telephone
  11/18/08
it's funny how most fat chicks believe that their fatness is...
glassy frum stag film
  11/18/08
bigBoy's post is TMFCR! when it comes to getting fucked, it ...
At-the-ready school skinny woman
  11/18/08
see my reply to bigBoy above
At-the-ready school skinny woman
  11/18/08
seen.
Rusted bateful telephone
  11/18/08
Smirky guys who act confident give me teh hardon. A dick ...
underhanded juggernaut theater stage
  11/18/08


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Date: June 16th, 2008 10:58 AM
Author: red national security agency point

I just want to grab their stomach rolls with both hands and give them a good jiggle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896053)





Date: June 16th, 2008 10:59 AM
Author: Domesticated motley boiling water address

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896055)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:35 PM
Author: provocative coffee pot

BIG GIRLS, BIG PERSONALITIES!!!!!!!1111111111 :O) :O) :O)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961638)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:03 AM
Author: Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church

i bet you're fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896060)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: red national security agency point

No. I would not be able to live with myself. Fats are rupulsive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896063)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: Domesticated motley boiling water address

would you cut out your fat with a steak knife if you became fat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896065)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:07 AM
Author: Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church

OINK!

you probably have a big nose and a bunch of acne too.

UR HIDEOUS!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896069)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: Domesticated motley boiling water address

you strike me as fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896070)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:19 AM
Author: Hairraiser sweet tailpipe church

and i can sniff out my own kind?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896084)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: red national security agency point

*jiggles your fat rolls, you fat slut*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896071)





Date: July 7th, 2008 10:56 AM
Author: Electric mentally impaired partner

Try it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951358)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:01 AM
Author: Thirsty cumskin

Recently, I have found myself reacting more and more contemptuously towards fat people. Usually, I think something like "fatty, what did you eat today?" Or, "fatty, when was the last time you exercised?" I am basically completely unwilling to excuse fatness these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896056)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: red national security agency point

Me either. I'm done with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896064)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:34 AM
Author: Nofapping coral menage

this seems implausible

edit: instead of "think" i read it as say, this seems entirely plausible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896117)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:09 PM
Author: glittery carmine shitlib

this is reasonable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896188)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:15 PM
Author: pink laughsome yarmulke

I hate fat fucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896196)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:28 PM
Author: Histrionic national background story

Don't go on the TV show "Moment of Truth."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896564)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:01 PM
Author: seedy odious shrine

agreed, it's very hard not to dismiss them off-hand as worthless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951503)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:10 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

one fucking eighty to the creator of this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896072)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:14 AM
Author: red national security agency point

tyvm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896077)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:17 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

flawless design and execution. well done, sir.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896082)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:30 AM
Author: pink laughsome yarmulke

180. I lol'd in public.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896100)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:17 PM
Author: Carnelian Milk

they're divas, embracing their big. fat. ASSSSSES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X04MYZ5xI&feature=related

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896199)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:20 PM
Author: crawly gaping parlour

More so or less so than pasty, nerdy guys who attempt to hit on women by being the most servile, impotent, despicable creatures on earth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896211)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:25 PM
Author: Lascivious regret office

if you only get hit on by losers maybe you should look at your own self.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896217)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:32 PM
Author: crawly gaping parlour

I wasn't referring to myself, it was more an observation on what gives me the smirks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896234)





Date: June 16th, 2008 1:57 PM
Author: glittery carmine shitlib

nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896466)





Date: July 6th, 2008 10:50 PM
Author: Infuriating piazza

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9950259)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:52 PM
Author: bisexual fragrant station brethren

180. just thinking about these manginas today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975456)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:25 PM
Author: wine bat-shit-crazy set

Fat girls who embrace their fatness and look upon it as a source of pride need to be slapped. I don't have a problem with confident fats otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896218)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:33 PM
Author: bisexual fragrant station brethren

bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896235)





Date: June 16th, 2008 1:53 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

I'll be bumping this one often.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896451)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:04 PM
Author: passionate candlestick maker masturbator

If they act proud of being fat, then yes, that's a problem. Otherwise, please clarify.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896486)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:08 PM
Author: Azure den codepig

wearing unflattering clothes they have no business wearing, thereby exposing their bellies/muffintops to everyone around them, priding themselves on their big fat ass because they think it's a juicy ghetto booty, etc. Basically dressing and acting like a 98 pound girl, with the attitude to match.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896501)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:26 PM
Author: passionate candlestick maker masturbator

Yeah, that is fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896559)





Date: June 16th, 2008 7:14 PM
Author: Self-absorbed flesh heaven private investor

I have a friend who is sometimes like this. She actually gets decent-looking guys, probably on account of her confidence (she also has a pretty face and clear skin, which helps). Part of me wants to give her the "dress for your body type or lose the weight" lecture, but she's happy and doesn't seem to have much issues with her body although she's trying to drop weight healthily (cutting out sodas, doing more cardio).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9897221)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:52 AM
Author: Brass Base

"probably on account of her confidence (she also has a pretty face and clear skin, which helps)."

No, it's because she's easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951482)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:05 PM
Author: Azure den codepig

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951511)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:06 PM
Author: Pontificating church building hunting ground

When she said "gets guys" I wasn't sure if she meant dates them or fucks them. Because any girl can fuck guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951514)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:14 PM
Author: seedy odious shrine

yes, when the night is late, the ok fat girl whom you know is going to be a fun ride and is throwing herself at you suddenly becomes an option (but you'll still deny everything in the morning)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951529)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:58 AM
Author: Talented Public Bath Elastic Band

Is she truly obese or just a few pounds overweight? If she's not really that fat a lot of guys might genuinely like her body type.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951497)





Date: June 17th, 2008 4:02 PM
Author: red national security agency point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9899620)





Date: June 17th, 2008 5:17 PM
Author: cheese-eating brunch mexican

TITCOP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9899755)





Date: June 19th, 2008 12:14 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

BIGGIDY-BUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9905109)





Date: June 19th, 2008 3:57 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

movin on up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9905632)





Date: June 19th, 2008 9:24 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Toilet Seat

Fat people disgust me. Only puppies should be fat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9906310)





Date: July 6th, 2008 8:53 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

bumpage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9949985)





Date: July 6th, 2008 9:57 PM
Author: Big know-it-all depressive site

As a corollary, I want to beat sense into normal-looking guys who have settled for fat girlfriends, especially if the GFs have attitude. (If they're cheerful and grateful to have a guy--i.e. don't project that "confidence"--then I have less of a problem, though the situation still makes me sad.)

Yes, I'm a fat myself, but at least I recognize its loathsomeness* and am working to change.

I realize that finding a regular woman is tough nowadays, given that the average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds over the course of the '90s and that the average for all American women is now 5-4/160+; but I still think the guys shouldn't settle.

*By far the worst times are those when I catch sight of my reflection in a random mirror or window and don't, for a second, know who it is. God, the disgust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9950128)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:37 AM
Author: bright doctorate

"average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds over the course of the '90s and that the average for all American women is now 5-4/160+"

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951456)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:16 PM
Author: charismatic bearded trump supporter

Try this, you lazy fucking moron.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=average+weight+american+woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961567)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:51 PM
Author: bright doctorate

moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975455)





Date: July 15th, 2008 3:33 PM
Author: Big know-it-all depressive site

Ummm, hard to understand your scintillating riposte. Did you actually try the Google search that was so conveniently provided?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975560)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: pink laughsome yarmulke

Great bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951372)





Date: July 8th, 2008 8:44 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

love this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9955580)





Date: July 10th, 2008 7:27 PM
Author: pink laughsome yarmulke

Me too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961769)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:04 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

fattybump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961529)





Date: July 10th, 2008 7:38 PM
Author: arousing psychic

http://bbws-they-are-impossible.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=833508&mc=6&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961800)





Date: July 12th, 2008 8:20 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

rub-a-dub

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9968089)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:47 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

pump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975445)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:53 PM
Author: bisexual fragrant station brethren

i can't stand fucking fat shits. they're disgusting!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975458)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:59 PM
Author: vibrant faggot firefighter

Why do you even care?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975466)





Date: July 15th, 2008 3:00 PM
Author: orange meetinghouse

He clearly has a fat fetish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975470)





Date: July 29th, 2008 11:02 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10020203)





Date: July 29th, 2008 11:18 AM
Author: pink laughsome yarmulke

Good bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10020221)





Date: August 22nd, 2008 4:41 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

^

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10087375)





Date: September 23rd, 2008 9:59 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

ohai!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10188813)





Date: September 23rd, 2008 10:04 AM
Author: Irradiated disgusting sanctuary corn cake

awesome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10188821)





Date: November 7th, 2008 12:20 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

^_^

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10338550)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:11 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

chyeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351004)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:40 AM
Author: Vivacious garrison

We should have a new rule: no dozens of bumps that don't say anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351027)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:43 AM
Author: Boyish Light Ticket Booth

My ex gf was a fat and she had an attitude on that someone with a stomach like hers shouldn't have. It's good we broke up because she has a lot to learn about not living like a hippo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351029)





Date: November 11th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

good riddance, friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351158)





Date: November 18th, 2008 9:17 AM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

lulzies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373848)





Date: November 18th, 2008 9:36 AM
Author: glassy frum stag film

it's funny how most fat chicks believe that their fatness is ok because guys are willing to fuck them. The same girls also often wonder why said guys never call them back, refuse to introduce them to their friends, and are "emotionally distant".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373860)





Date: November 18th, 2008 10:45 AM
Author: At-the-ready school skinny woman

bigBoy's post is TMFCR! when it comes to getting fucked, it so easy for a fat girl. any fat girl under 25 can get fucked at any given moment. the problem is thats all they get.

no one wants to marry them.

no one wants to take them seriously.

they can basically get fucked and thats it.

bigboy is SPOT ON by saying they believe they are hot because guys wants to fuck them.

GIRLS: guys would fuck a sheep if no one would find out and nothing else was available. keep this in mind the next time you equate getting fucked with being hot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373951)





Date: November 18th, 2008 10:42 AM
Author: At-the-ready school skinny woman

see my reply to bigBoy above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373938)





Date: November 18th, 2008 2:01 PM
Author: Rusted bateful telephone

seen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10374365)





Date: November 18th, 2008 2:19 PM
Author: underhanded juggernaut theater stage

Smirky guys who act confident give me teh hardon.

A dick in the ass is a good way to wipe a smile off a guy's face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10374411)