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Fat girls who act confident give me teh smirks.

I just want to grab their stomach rolls with both hands and ...
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/16/08
titcr
pea-brained menage blood rage
  06/16/08
BIG GIRLS, BIG PERSONALITIES!!!!!!!1111111111 :O) :O) :O)
Nubile orchestra pit dingle berry
  07/10/08
i bet you're fat
Exhilarant plum parlour
  06/16/08
No. I would not be able to live with myself. Fats are rupuls...
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/16/08
would you cut out your fat with a steak knife if you became ...
pea-brained menage blood rage
  06/16/08
OINK! you probably have a big nose and a bunch of acne to...
Exhilarant plum parlour
  06/16/08
you strike me as fat
pea-brained menage blood rage
  06/16/08
and i can sniff out my own kind?
Exhilarant plum parlour
  06/16/08
*jiggles your fat rolls, you fat slut*
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/16/08
Try it.
heady indigo den
  07/07/08
Recently, I have found myself reacting more and more contemp...
unhinged deranged trailer park personal credit line
  06/16/08
Me either. I'm done with it.
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/16/08
this seems implausible edit: instead of "think"...
rusted titillating rigpig candlestick maker
  06/16/08
this is reasonable
Laughsome Blathering Doctorate Round Eye
  06/16/08
I hate fat fucks.
aromatic area
  06/16/08
Don't go on the TV show "Moment of Truth."
Trip stage wrinkle
  06/16/08
agreed, it's very hard not to dismiss them off-hand as worth...
Narrow-minded gas station
  07/07/08
one fucking eighty to the creator of this thread
hideous depressive
  06/16/08
tyvm
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/16/08
flawless design and execution. well done, sir.
hideous depressive
  06/16/08
180. I lol'd in public.
aromatic area
  06/16/08
they're divas, embracing their big. fat. ASSSSSES. http...
Iridescent high-end alpha dilemma
  06/16/08
More so or less so than pasty, nerdy guys who attempt to hit...
motley jet-lagged philosopher-king
  06/16/08
if you only get hit on by losers maybe you should look at yo...
flesh alcoholic shrine
  06/16/08
I wasn't referring to myself, it was more an observation on ...
motley jet-lagged philosopher-king
  06/16/08
nice
Laughsome Blathering Doctorate Round Eye
  06/16/08
lol
Bateful Mexican Nowag
  07/06/08
180. just thinking about these manginas today.
brass indian lodge therapy
  07/15/08
Fat girls who embrace their fatness and look upon it as a so...
painfully honest costumed hall elastic band
  06/16/08
bump
brass indian lodge therapy
  06/16/08
I'll be bumping this one often.
hideous depressive
  06/16/08
If they act proud of being fat, then yes, that's a problem. ...
rebellious boltzmann
  06/16/08
wearing unflattering clothes they have no business wearing, ...
Irradiated geriatric cuck
  06/16/08
Yeah, that is fucked up.
rebellious boltzmann
  06/16/08
I have a friend who is sometimes like this. She actually ge...
Flirting Gay Wizard Meetinghouse
  06/16/08
"probably on account of her confidence (she also has a ...
Claret Concupiscible Windowlicker Chapel
  07/07/08
ty
Irradiated geriatric cuck
  07/07/08
When she said "gets guys" I wasn't sure if she mea...
Talented Pisswyrm
  07/07/08
yes, when the night is late, the ok fat girl whom you know i...
Narrow-minded gas station
  07/07/08
Is she truly obese or just a few pounds overweight? If she'...
Dark Stimulating Circlehead
  07/07/08
...
180 pit old irish cottage
  06/17/08
TITCOP
dull tanning salon
  06/17/08
BIGGIDY-BUMP
hideous depressive
  06/19/08
movin on up
hideous depressive
  06/19/08
Fat people disgust me. Only puppies should be fat.
vigorous disrespectful gunner
  06/19/08
bumpage
hideous depressive
  07/06/08
As a corollary, I want to beat sense into normal-looking guy...
Marvelous nighttime house
  07/06/08
"average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds ov...
Thriller arrogant sandwich brunch
  07/07/08
Try this, you lazy fucking moron. http://www.google.com/s...
honey-headed theater stage
  07/10/08
moron
Thriller arrogant sandwich brunch
  07/15/08
Ummm, hard to understand your scintillating riposte. Did yo...
Marvelous nighttime house
  07/15/08
Great bump.
aromatic area
  07/07/08
love this thread
hideous depressive
  07/08/08
Me too.
aromatic area
  07/10/08
fattybump
hideous depressive
  07/10/08
http://bbws-they-are-impossible.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thr...
lake harsh base
  07/10/08
rub-a-dub
hideous depressive
  07/12/08
pump
hideous depressive
  07/15/08
i can't stand fucking fat shits. they're disgusting!
brass indian lodge therapy
  07/15/08
Why do you even care?
light medicated range antidepressant drug
  07/15/08
He clearly has a fat fetish.
electric university coldplay fan
  07/15/08
bump
hideous depressive
  07/29/08
Good bump.
aromatic area
  07/29/08
^
hideous depressive
  08/22/08
ohai!
hideous depressive
  09/23/08
awesome
Confused locale giraffe
  09/23/08
^_^
hideous depressive
  11/07/08
chyeah
hideous depressive
  11/11/08
We should have a new rule: no dozens of bumps that don't say...
Sickened casino roommate
  11/11/08
My ex gf was a fat and she had an attitude on that someone w...
razzle bawdyhouse dysfunction
  11/11/08
good riddance, friend.
hideous depressive
  11/11/08
lulzies
hideous depressive
  11/18/08
it's funny how most fat chicks believe that their fatness is...
snowy yapping hell love of her life
  11/18/08
bigBoy's post is TMFCR! when it comes to getting fucked, it ...
Mustard Frum Corn Cake
  11/18/08
see my reply to bigBoy above
Mustard Frum Corn Cake
  11/18/08
seen.
hideous depressive
  11/18/08
Smirky guys who act confident give me teh hardon. A dick ...
Tantric Hairraiser Piazza Kitty Cat
  11/18/08


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Date: June 16th, 2008 10:58 AM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage

I just want to grab their stomach rolls with both hands and give them a good jiggle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896053)





Date: June 16th, 2008 10:59 AM
Author: pea-brained menage blood rage

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896055)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:35 PM
Author: Nubile orchestra pit dingle berry

BIG GIRLS, BIG PERSONALITIES!!!!!!!1111111111 :O) :O) :O)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961638)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:03 AM
Author: Exhilarant plum parlour

i bet you're fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896060)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage

No. I would not be able to live with myself. Fats are rupulsive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896063)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: pea-brained menage blood rage

would you cut out your fat with a steak knife if you became fat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896065)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:07 AM
Author: Exhilarant plum parlour

OINK!

you probably have a big nose and a bunch of acne too.

UR HIDEOUS!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896069)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: pea-brained menage blood rage

you strike me as fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896070)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:19 AM
Author: Exhilarant plum parlour

and i can sniff out my own kind?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896084)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage

*jiggles your fat rolls, you fat slut*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896071)





Date: July 7th, 2008 10:56 AM
Author: heady indigo den

Try it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951358)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:01 AM
Author: unhinged deranged trailer park personal credit line

Recently, I have found myself reacting more and more contemptuously towards fat people. Usually, I think something like "fatty, what did you eat today?" Or, "fatty, when was the last time you exercised?" I am basically completely unwilling to excuse fatness these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896056)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage

Me either. I'm done with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896064)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:34 AM
Author: rusted titillating rigpig candlestick maker

this seems implausible

edit: instead of "think" i read it as say, this seems entirely plausible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896117)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:09 PM
Author: Laughsome Blathering Doctorate Round Eye

this is reasonable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896188)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:15 PM
Author: aromatic area

I hate fat fucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896196)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:28 PM
Author: Trip stage wrinkle

Don't go on the TV show "Moment of Truth."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896564)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:01 PM
Author: Narrow-minded gas station

agreed, it's very hard not to dismiss them off-hand as worthless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951503)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:10 AM
Author: hideous depressive

one fucking eighty to the creator of this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896072)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:14 AM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage

tyvm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896077)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:17 AM
Author: hideous depressive

flawless design and execution. well done, sir.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896082)





Date: June 16th, 2008 11:30 AM
Author: aromatic area

180. I lol'd in public.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896100)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:17 PM
Author: Iridescent high-end alpha dilemma

they're divas, embracing their big. fat. ASSSSSES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X04MYZ5xI&feature=related

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896199)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:20 PM
Author: motley jet-lagged philosopher-king

More so or less so than pasty, nerdy guys who attempt to hit on women by being the most servile, impotent, despicable creatures on earth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896211)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:25 PM
Author: flesh alcoholic shrine

if you only get hit on by losers maybe you should look at your own self.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896217)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:32 PM
Author: motley jet-lagged philosopher-king

I wasn't referring to myself, it was more an observation on what gives me the smirks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896234)





Date: June 16th, 2008 1:57 PM
Author: Laughsome Blathering Doctorate Round Eye

nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896466)





Date: July 6th, 2008 10:50 PM
Author: Bateful Mexican Nowag

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9950259)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:52 PM
Author: brass indian lodge therapy

180. just thinking about these manginas today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975456)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:25 PM
Author: painfully honest costumed hall elastic band

Fat girls who embrace their fatness and look upon it as a source of pride need to be slapped. I don't have a problem with confident fats otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896218)





Date: June 16th, 2008 12:33 PM
Author: brass indian lodge therapy

bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896235)





Date: June 16th, 2008 1:53 PM
Author: hideous depressive

I'll be bumping this one often.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896451)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:04 PM
Author: rebellious boltzmann

If they act proud of being fat, then yes, that's a problem. Otherwise, please clarify.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896486)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:08 PM
Author: Irradiated geriatric cuck

wearing unflattering clothes they have no business wearing, thereby exposing their bellies/muffintops to everyone around them, priding themselves on their big fat ass because they think it's a juicy ghetto booty, etc. Basically dressing and acting like a 98 pound girl, with the attitude to match.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896501)





Date: June 16th, 2008 2:26 PM
Author: rebellious boltzmann

Yeah, that is fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9896559)





Date: June 16th, 2008 7:14 PM
Author: Flirting Gay Wizard Meetinghouse

I have a friend who is sometimes like this. She actually gets decent-looking guys, probably on account of her confidence (she also has a pretty face and clear skin, which helps). Part of me wants to give her the "dress for your body type or lose the weight" lecture, but she's happy and doesn't seem to have much issues with her body although she's trying to drop weight healthily (cutting out sodas, doing more cardio).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9897221)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:52 AM
Author: Claret Concupiscible Windowlicker Chapel

"probably on account of her confidence (she also has a pretty face and clear skin, which helps)."

No, it's because she's easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951482)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:05 PM
Author: Irradiated geriatric cuck

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951511)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:06 PM
Author: Talented Pisswyrm

When she said "gets guys" I wasn't sure if she meant dates them or fucks them. Because any girl can fuck guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951514)





Date: July 7th, 2008 12:14 PM
Author: Narrow-minded gas station

yes, when the night is late, the ok fat girl whom you know is going to be a fun ride and is throwing herself at you suddenly becomes an option (but you'll still deny everything in the morning)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951529)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:58 AM
Author: Dark Stimulating Circlehead

Is she truly obese or just a few pounds overweight? If she's not really that fat a lot of guys might genuinely like her body type.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951497)





Date: June 17th, 2008 4:02 PM
Author: 180 pit old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9899620)





Date: June 17th, 2008 5:17 PM
Author: dull tanning salon

TITCOP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9899755)





Date: June 19th, 2008 12:14 PM
Author: hideous depressive

BIGGIDY-BUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9905109)





Date: June 19th, 2008 3:57 PM
Author: hideous depressive

movin on up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9905632)





Date: June 19th, 2008 9:24 PM
Author: vigorous disrespectful gunner

Fat people disgust me. Only puppies should be fat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9906310)





Date: July 6th, 2008 8:53 PM
Author: hideous depressive

bumpage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9949985)





Date: July 6th, 2008 9:57 PM
Author: Marvelous nighttime house

As a corollary, I want to beat sense into normal-looking guys who have settled for fat girlfriends, especially if the GFs have attitude. (If they're cheerful and grateful to have a guy--i.e. don't project that "confidence"--then I have less of a problem, though the situation still makes me sad.)

Yes, I'm a fat myself, but at least I recognize its loathsomeness* and am working to change.

I realize that finding a regular woman is tough nowadays, given that the average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds over the course of the '90s and that the average for all American women is now 5-4/160+; but I still think the guys shouldn't settle.

*By far the worst times are those when I catch sight of my reflection in a random mirror or window and don't, for a second, know who it is. God, the disgust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9950128)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:37 AM
Author: Thriller arrogant sandwich brunch

"average American woman's weight increased 11 pounds over the course of the '90s and that the average for all American women is now 5-4/160+"

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951456)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:16 PM
Author: honey-headed theater stage

Try this, you lazy fucking moron.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=average+weight+american+woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961567)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:51 PM
Author: Thriller arrogant sandwich brunch

moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975455)





Date: July 15th, 2008 3:33 PM
Author: Marvelous nighttime house

Ummm, hard to understand your scintillating riposte. Did you actually try the Google search that was so conveniently provided?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975560)





Date: July 7th, 2008 11:05 AM
Author: aromatic area

Great bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9951372)





Date: July 8th, 2008 8:44 PM
Author: hideous depressive

love this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9955580)





Date: July 10th, 2008 7:27 PM
Author: aromatic area

Me too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961769)





Date: July 10th, 2008 6:04 PM
Author: hideous depressive

fattybump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961529)





Date: July 10th, 2008 7:38 PM
Author: lake harsh base

http://bbws-they-are-impossible.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=833508&mc=6&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9961800)





Date: July 12th, 2008 8:20 PM
Author: hideous depressive

rub-a-dub

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9968089)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:47 PM
Author: hideous depressive

pump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975445)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:53 PM
Author: brass indian lodge therapy

i can't stand fucking fat shits. they're disgusting!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975458)





Date: July 15th, 2008 2:59 PM
Author: light medicated range antidepressant drug

Why do you even care?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975466)





Date: July 15th, 2008 3:00 PM
Author: electric university coldplay fan

He clearly has a fat fetish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#9975470)





Date: July 29th, 2008 11:02 AM
Author: hideous depressive

bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10020203)





Date: July 29th, 2008 11:18 AM
Author: aromatic area

Good bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10020221)





Date: August 22nd, 2008 4:41 PM
Author: hideous depressive

^

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10087375)





Date: September 23rd, 2008 9:59 AM
Author: hideous depressive

ohai!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10188813)





Date: September 23rd, 2008 10:04 AM
Author: Confused locale giraffe

awesome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10188821)





Date: November 7th, 2008 12:20 PM
Author: hideous depressive

^_^

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10338550)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:11 AM
Author: hideous depressive

chyeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351004)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:40 AM
Author: Sickened casino roommate

We should have a new rule: no dozens of bumps that don't say anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351027)





Date: November 11th, 2008 9:43 AM
Author: razzle bawdyhouse dysfunction

My ex gf was a fat and she had an attitude on that someone with a stomach like hers shouldn't have. It's good we broke up because she has a lot to learn about not living like a hippo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351029)





Date: November 11th, 2008 11:09 AM
Author: hideous depressive

good riddance, friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10351158)





Date: November 18th, 2008 9:17 AM
Author: hideous depressive

lulzies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373848)





Date: November 18th, 2008 9:36 AM
Author: snowy yapping hell love of her life

it's funny how most fat chicks believe that their fatness is ok because guys are willing to fuck them. The same girls also often wonder why said guys never call them back, refuse to introduce them to their friends, and are "emotionally distant".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373860)





Date: November 18th, 2008 10:45 AM
Author: Mustard Frum Corn Cake

bigBoy's post is TMFCR! when it comes to getting fucked, it so easy for a fat girl. any fat girl under 25 can get fucked at any given moment. the problem is thats all they get.

no one wants to marry them.

no one wants to take them seriously.

they can basically get fucked and thats it.

bigboy is SPOT ON by saying they believe they are hot because guys wants to fuck them.

GIRLS: guys would fuck a sheep if no one would find out and nothing else was available. keep this in mind the next time you equate getting fucked with being hot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373951)





Date: November 18th, 2008 10:42 AM
Author: Mustard Frum Corn Cake

see my reply to bigBoy above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10373938)





Date: November 18th, 2008 2:01 PM
Author: hideous depressive

seen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10374365)





Date: November 18th, 2008 2:19 PM
Author: Tantric Hairraiser Piazza Kitty Cat

Smirky guys who act confident give me teh hardon.

A dick in the ass is a good way to wipe a smile off a guy's face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=825757&forum_id=2#10374411)