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Date: October 10th, 2008 6:27 PM Author: Violent Turdskin How are they going? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10247410) |
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Date: October 10th, 2008 6:45 PM Author: Offensive Slate Trump Supporter Hunting Ground muy excellente, i flashed the fedsoc symbol at my interview and got an offer on the spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10247452) |
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Date: October 10th, 2008 7:03 PM Author: Violent Turdskin They've stopped that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10247513) |
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Date: October 10th, 2008 9:06 PM Author: Offensive Slate Trump Supporter Hunting Ground thats what you think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10247998) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:01 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles who cares they pay 50k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296936) |
Date: October 14th, 2008 8:50 PM Author: Violent Turdskin bump? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10261951) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 1:51 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10290083) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:02 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles are you aware that they pay 50k? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296941) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:10 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297226) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:11 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles they pay 50k dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297229) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:13 PM Author: Violent Turdskin nah, $160k + bonus if you bill 1850 increments of justice/year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297239) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:17 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles enjoy working with regent grads for peanuts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297247) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 3:59 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks There is what, one more day of them?
Some of mine went better than others. I'm afraid that by the end of the day I was fairly exhausted, and may have put in a sub-par performance in my final interview.
Is it department policy to contact all references no matter how serious they are about a candidate? Or do they only contact references of those they intend to be finalists? |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 4:57 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Subject: I want to know about references too I bet it varies from department to department. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10290725) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 5:34 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks My situation may be a little different from normal because my references somehow did not get to them properly with my application, and so I've had to resubmit them (at or after my interviews).
One component contacted my references within a day or two after my interview. Another has yet to do so. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 11:25 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Mine were contacted within a couple days of my interview as well. I was just curious if they contacted everyone's references or not. I am hoping that it is a good sign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10292065) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2008 4:04 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Also, I may be outing myself, but was anyone else interviewed by a single attorney and not by a panel? From what I have read, almost all interviews are conducted by panels. For one of my interviews, though, it was a one on one session with the component attorney. I'm unsure what the implications are of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10290562) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 12:47 AM Author: Purple idea he suggested depressive In one of mine, I was interviewed by two attorneys from two different sections within the division. It seems like there is a lot of variety in the interview format. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10292322) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 3:23 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry Subject: interview I had one interview with one person. None of my references have been called yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10294063) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 7:01 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks So how did all of yours go? Did you feel like you connected well with your interviewer(s)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10294736) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 7:29 PM Author: Violent Turdskin think so. both of mine were 3 atty panels and i think they went well. there's only one atty i think i didn't connect with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10294794) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 10:05 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Just ok. I felt like it was really awkward for most of the interview, so that is never a good thing. I also don't think they were convinced that I really wanted to work at the DOJ. I guess we will see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295063) |
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Date: October 24th, 2008 10:29 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295083) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:54 AM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Civil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295655) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 11:16 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295691) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 1:36 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295953) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 2:01 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Yes. Did they contact yours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296025) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 2:04 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296037) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 6:27 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks That may not mean much though. It was my impression that different Branches within Civil handle the interview process differently.
I know for a fact that I was only being considered by one of the Civil Branches, and I was not interviewed by a panel.
Thus if you were interviewing for, for example, Commercial Litigation, they may handle interviews and references differently than, say, the Torts Branch.
That you had a panel while I did not suggests we were being handled by different subgroups from the start.
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Date: October 25th, 2008 7:26 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296844) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 7:55 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set I'm not blackdalia (and I didn't interview with CL) but it says online that they are selecting 5-6. I would guess that it about one per department. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296923) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:02 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296944) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:06 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Yes, Civil is hiring 30 and CL is hiring 5-6, unless I read it wrong. And yes, I meant practice groups - but that is just a guess about one per group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296955) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 9:33 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Out of curiosity, what makes you think I interviewed with commercial litigation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297157) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 9:41 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297173) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:10 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles they pay 50k, so who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297228) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 11:30 AM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike Subject: avue updates My interviewers (3-person panel) told me that 1st-round offers would be going out next Friday. Does anyone know whether they'll be updating the avue accounts in the meantime (e.g., from "selected for interview" to "finalist")? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10295707) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 6:37 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set My panel told me that the branches had to make their decisions by the end of October, but they didn't expect to make offers until end of November. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296739) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:03 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles they pay 50k, who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10296948) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 8:34 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297051) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:10 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles silence you rancid poor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297225) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:08 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297221) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:13 PM Author: know-it-all fat ankles haven't you heard? doj pays 50k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297236) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:35 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297283) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 10:59 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297365) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 11:09 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297399) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 11:09 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Who did you interview with Stadt? Were references contacted? And what are your stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297400) |
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Date: October 25th, 2008 11:43 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297459) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 12:11 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks True enough re the odds, but a 10% shot still beats the lottery.
So which components were you interviewing with and what are your stats? |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 12:27 AM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10297525) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 12:48 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks I've always assumed that your stats may land you the interview, but are of little importance from that point on. If you made it to the interview stage, your chances are probably about as good as anyone's are, assuming your interview didn't go abysmally.
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Date: October 26th, 2008 2:39 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry Does anyone know many people were interviewed in Civil if there are 5-6 positions available? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10298661) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 4:30 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set There are 30 positions for civil; 5-6 was for commercial litigation, according to the online information. My division told me that they interviewed about 5 people for every one spot (so 20% chance, not 10%.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10298990) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 8:28 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks What is the url that lists the spots per civil branch? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10299784) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 9:15 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set It was on the application where you ranked the divisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10299879) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 9:41 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry Anyone else have any idea about other branches within the Civil Division? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10299928) |
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Date: October 26th, 2008 9:56 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set It is on the application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10299963) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 4:28 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set I just found a schedule online that says finalist will be selected by late-October and offers will start on Nov. 3rd. Is this what anyone was told during their interview? I was told it would be much later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10301759) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 6:07 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry I was told by the attorney who interviewed me that he would write up his report and offers would be made in november, but that sometimes they are made into december. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10301895) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 7:24 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard two divisions i interviewed with said decisions early november, notifications mid to late november (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10302016) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 7:47 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm I was told by the division that I interviewed with that first round offers would go out as early as October 31 and only as late as the week of November 3rd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10302040) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 10:28 PM Author: crusty abode love of her life Subject: Offer notifications I think it depends on the component. I received notice of an offer this week--much earlier than I thought they would be contacting people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10302314) |
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Date: October 27th, 2008 10:31 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic from which component did you get an offer? And would yoou mind giving your stats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10302323) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 2:57 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Has anyone else had an offer or had their status change?
In one interview, I spoke with one attorney only. Can't remember if s/he specifically mentioned when offers would be made. In an interview with another division, I think the panel said offers would be made early November.
I don't know why the offers would be made later rather than sooner, unless it's DOJ policy for all offers to be made on the same day. It seems like the divisions will be competing with one another for candidates. |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 2:51 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304003) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:07 PM Author: azure codepig I work at DOJ as a government contractor. If the attorneys only make 50K then I make more then that as a contractor. Anyway, I'm considering quitting if Obama wins, but my co-workers tell me I won't have to quit because technically I don't work for the government. I certainly don't want to serve an Obama administration though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304045) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:16 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Remind us why we should care? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304062) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:22 PM Author: Talented site patrolman So Black Dalia, any word of status updates or offers? Mind telling me which divisions you interviewed with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304073) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:41 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304107) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:52 PM Author: Talented site patrolman |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 3:54 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304125) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 4:03 PM Author: Talented site patrolman You? |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 4:55 PM Author: Geriatric fuchsia degenerate yeah. Surprising interview. I haven't heard anything yet. You? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304238) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 5:12 PM Author: Talented site patrolman legalbias,
Do you know if they have contacted any of your references? |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 5:17 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304296) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 5:48 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304345) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 8:32 AM Author: Geriatric fuchsia degenerate I don't think that my references have been contacted yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305564) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 8:38 AM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305565) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:47 PM Author: Geriatric fuchsia degenerate Clerkface,
Any word from EOUSA yet? |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 9:51 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10307760) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 10:02 PM Author: Racy alpha So, do you know what division selected you as a finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10307801) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 12:22 AM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10308121) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 8:36 PM Author: crystalline exciting goal in life pit What do HP attys in EOUSA do. All I can glean is it's maybe policy and maybe detail to a USAO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304630) |
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Date: October 28th, 2008 10:45 PM Author: Racy alpha Did anyone here interview for the CL division of civil? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10304874) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 12:19 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks I'm not saying which section I interviewed with, but they did contact my references soon after. Was yours a panel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305101) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 12:28 AM Author: Racy alpha Cool. Mine was a panel, so I am guessing that it was probably different divisions. My references were contacted soon after as well. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305123) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 9:48 AM Author: Talented site patrolman My status has changed to "Selected as Finalist." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305628) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 10:05 AM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike Nice... Is it for Civil or do you know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305660) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 10:08 AM Author: Talented site patrolman No clue, unfortunately. Anyone know exactly what this means? Is there another "cut" after the finalists are selected? Or does this just mean that I am somewhere on the offer list? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10305664) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 10:21 AM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike Here's the DOJ HP thread from last year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=693277&forum_id=2#8903048)
People start discussing the meaning of "Selected as Finalist" around November 16th. Might be helpful... |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:18 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks My understanding is that, generally speaking, for each DOJ position, the DOJ attorneys interview 10 candidates. All of the interviewed candidates for a specific division (or subgroup, if hiring is handled that way) are collectively rank-ordered in a list. The list is passed to the higher-ups for a brief look-over (usually a rubber-stamp), and the top candidates on the list are selected as finalists in numbers equal to roughly twice the available positions.
So if, say, Civil Rights is hiring 5 this year, the top 10 rated post-interview candidates will be selected as finalists. The top five candidates on this list will receive first-round offers, and the remaining finalists constitute what amounts to a waitlist ordered by rating. As first round offers are declined, new offers are made to those remaining wait listed finalists. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:30 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Congrats by the way. Also, are you sure your references have not been contacted? While I've heard of people being selected as finalists without references being contacted, I find the practice somewhat surprising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306176) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:36 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Do you know if most offers are "exploding"; i.e., you must accept or decline on the spot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306205) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:44 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm I was told by my panel that selected applicants will have 45 days to accept or decline, which means that second round offers could go out as late as early December. I don't know if this is the same for all components or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306238) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:46 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks From what I've read, the idea of DOJ exploding offers is a myth. The myth might be perpetuated by the fact that these offers are not in writing. There has been a fear expressed by some in the past that, absent some written document stating the offer recipient has X weeks to respond, the rug might be pulled out from under the recipient's feet. Accordingly, most people seem to accept or reject their offers fairly quickly.
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:55 PM Author: Talented site patrolman I hope you guys are right about no exploding offers. Seems like I read on the Honors Program webpage that offers would be held open for a certain time. I read in previous years' threads that some components (allegedly) told interviewees that they would have to respond to offers on the spot.
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:02 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Should you be in such a situation -- where you received an offer from a less desired component with a limited decision time and are hoping for one from another, I don't think it's improper at all to contact the other component.
I wouldn't try to pressure them, but you could explain your predicament and ask whether they think they will be able to give you a yea or nay by the other component's deadline. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:09 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306321) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:15 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks I don't think the worst case scenario is at all likely. We're dealing with a bureaucracy here; any offer potentially made to you has been made only after numerous people have signed off on hiring you and after having fully vetted the alternative contenders.
Accordingly, by that point, the caller is really just filling a ministerial role.
Edit: Sorry, I misread your post. My answer was with regard to asking the component who extends the offer for more time.
I don't personally think preemptively calling anyone is appropriate. I'm not sure what I'd advise if you were 100% positive that the component that selected you as a finalist makes exploding offers. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:50 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Basically, I think what it means is that your odds of an offer just improved from a 10% chance to slightly more than a 50% chance. =)
I say slightly more than 50% because you probably have an exactly 50% chance of a first round offer, and a marginal chance of receiving a subsequent round offer if you don't get the first round offer.
In any event, if you feel comfortable checking in with any of your references, it might be informative. While components seem to handle things somewhat differently, I would assume that they wouldn't extend an offer until they've contacted the references. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:58 PM Author: Talented site patrolman
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:09 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks That may be true, but I have my doubts. I suspect either the attorney who answered the question didn't understand the process fully or mis-communicated.
One of my interviewers stated that X would be interviewed, and the department was prepared to make offers to 20% of X; though the interviewer also said that the department really only wanted to fill positions amounting to 10% of X.
Although the first statement could be read to suggest a 1 in 5 interview to offer ratio, in context I think the interviewer was really just stating the plain fact that the department is willing to extend an offer to anyone selected as a finalist (though this does not mean all people so selected will necessarily be given offers). |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:14 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Okay, then I think it varies by component. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306351) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:19 PM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike A ratio of 10:1 sounds much more like the applicants-to-interviewees figure (6000 to 600-700). 4-to-1 sounds congruent with the overall interviewees-to-offer ratio (about 600 to 150). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306369) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:30 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks You may be right.
In reviewing the numbers historically selected for interview, it does tend to be roughly 400% of positions:
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0806/index.htm
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:37 PM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike Gotta love the Inspector General's report. It says that the component I interviewed with has no trouble attracting highly qualified candidates who have clerked, etc. I'm screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306430) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:38 PM Author: Violent Turdskin It's actually a little bit better than that, since many folks get 2 or more interviews, and others end up selecting another job/clerkship/second clerkship between September 19th and when offers come out.
For example, if a third of interviewees interview with more than one component, there are really only 400 people being considered for 150ish spots. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 10:54 AM Author: Racy alpha Congrats! I don't know what it means, but I think it is better then not being selected. :)
Anyone have an idea when avue updates? Should I assume it is only once a day and stop checking obsessively? |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:47 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm When my status changed to 'Selected for Interview,' it was sometime in the middle of the day, other people on here had their status change earlier or later in the day than mine did. Based on that, I think that it updates whenever components submit the information. Of course, I could be wrong, and am only wasting my time checking it 20 times/day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306250) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:55 PM Author: Racy alpha Gotcha. My "selected for interview" changed early in the morning, so I assumed that it might have been overnight.
Although, what branch did you interview with? You interview time description sounds a lot like the speech I got. |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 1:59 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306289) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:02 PM Author: Racy alpha Oh nevermind. I thought I might have had another CL person. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306301) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 2:05 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm Thanks. Same to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306306) |
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Date: October 29th, 2008 5:24 PM Author: Khaki Macaca Any word from BOP, anybody? I haven't heard anything and I'm still just "selected for interview." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10306883) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 10:35 AM Author: Garnet histrionic hairy legs Hey,
Has anyone heard from ENRD? Mine still says "selected for interview." I know one of my references was contacted. In my interview, one of the interviewers said they would have offers out by the end of October. Did anyone hear anything different for ENRD?
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Date: November 6th, 2008 1:49 PM Author: lilac ungodly telephone My ENRD panel said they would select finalists by the end of October and then have offers out early November. Alas, I am still only "selected for interview." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10334810) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:15 PM Author: Racy alpha Anyone selected as finalist today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310007) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:21 PM Author: Talented site patrolman It's quiet out there. It'd be nice if we could figure out which components had selected finalists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310026) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:22 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm I was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310031) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:26 PM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike congrats... mind sharing the component? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310053) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:27 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm ATR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310060) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:59 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Congrats. I hope we hear soon. My interviewer told me that we wouldn't hear until late November, so I really hope he was wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310200) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:35 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set I was as well. I am surprised it is so quiet in here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310095) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:42 PM Author: Contagious Garrison Pisswyrm Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310150) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:46 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310161) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:52 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set ----- (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310178) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:53 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310179) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:54 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set ------ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310181) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 4:57 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Thanks! So it looks like the components do not select or announce finalists at the same time. Also, I'm guessing there's no way to tell whether an individual component selects finalists for all branches at the same time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310194) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:03 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Yeah, I really wish that little screen provided more information. I also wish they would put things like "not selected as finalist" or "not receiving an offer." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310210) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:08 PM Author: Violent Turdskin stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310218) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:43 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks I just received an offer!
ATR field office =)
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:45 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set Congrats!! That's awesome! Did you accept? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310300) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:50 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Asked for some time to talk to my family about it. I have 14 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310308) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 5:53 PM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set That is so great! Congrats. That is nice that they gave you so time too.
Would you have to move? If so, I think that would justify talking to the family. |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 6:27 PM Author: Amethyst Bonkers Psychic Just to recap from the meandering thread: has anyone been selected as a finalist for CL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310404) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 6:42 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Thanks for the congrats!
I wouldn't have to move. But my significant other is faced with some career issues that may make staying inconvenient.
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Date: October 30th, 2008 9:35 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Hey, just saw your update. Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10311073) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 6:36 PM Author: Mauve public bath Any word on Federal Programs, anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310428) |
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Date: October 30th, 2008 6:46 PM Author: Violent Turdskin So to sum up, sounds like today was basically just ATR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10310464) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 10:07 AM Author: Talented site patrolman Friday bump.
Tell us about your offers, status updates, and any other info about HP hiring. Hearsay gladly accepted. I hate waiting.
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Date: October 31st, 2008 11:10 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Woohoo! Received a second offer! This one in DC. Civil: Commercial Litigation! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312343) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 11:16 AM Author: vibrant theater stage congrats... v impressive. stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312355) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 11:24 AM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set ---- (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312365) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 11:50 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Congrats calaw!
I asked for time to consider. |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 12:34 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Congratulations all!
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:04 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks It seems that the offer waves are all component (or subcomponent) specific.
For example, yesterday the ATR-Field offices may have been acting, this morning we've seen Commercial Litigation in Civil. It's entirely possible that the component for which you've been selected as a finalist isn't as fast acting as these.
When I received my offer, I was told that, in CL at least, they were in fact absolutely going to make 10 offers (or maybe it was 11) even though they only really wanted 5 people. They had a surprisingly low yield last year and wanted to ensure they get enough people this year, even if it means having to hire more than they may optimally prefer. Based on that, it sounds to me as if, at least for CL, 'finalists' should equate entirely with offers. If finalists could stand for a waitlist, they would not need to make more offers than necessary. I don't mean to suggest that all components are handling the process the same way, but it's possible.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you! |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:11 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Thanks, that's somewhat encouraging. Hope it works out that way for my components. Do you know which offer you're leaning towards?
Anyone heard from components other than ATR and Civil-CL? |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:19 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry Clerkface, did you interview with Torts, Civil Division? Did anyone else interview with Torts and hear anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312674) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:28 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312712) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:33 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry No and my status still "selected for interview." Did you interview anywhere else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312728) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:50 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312766) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 2:57 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry I cannot see your answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312937) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:24 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Although I have a personal preference, I'd be happy in either position and my ultimate choice will depend largely on what works best for my significant other who is simultaneously applying for medical residencies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312693) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 1:31 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Gotcha. Hope it works out for your SO, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312724) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 2:50 PM Author: Mauve public bath Dalia and others with offers- what does your status say on Avue? Selected as Finalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312920) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 3:13 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312983) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 6:21 PM Author: heady dark death wish I got a commercial litigation offer too around noon today. Very excited. I had a split interview with CL and fed programs. anyone know if CL and fed programs could both offer, or do the different components of Civil spit up who offers who? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10313419) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 7:44 PM Author: Mauve public bath For what it's worth, I didn't get a Fed. Programs call today. I know people who did the same split as you and didnt calls from either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10313632) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 9:34 PM Author: heady dark death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10313837) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 2:22 PM Author: honey-headed range preventive strike Anyone receive an offer from ATR DC today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312846) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 3:04 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard right now i'd give two years off the end of my life to have an offer and have the waiting over... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10312956) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 6:53 PM Author: sapphire pistol chapel Why so serious? You'll lose those two years worrying about your background check. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10313500) |
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Date: November 1st, 2008 6:56 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard yeah good point, although I'm not too worried about my background check. any idea what kind of stuff they look for? i had a misdemeanor but i disclosed it in my app. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10315814) |
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Date: October 31st, 2008 5:11 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10313279) |
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Date: November 1st, 2008 4:54 PM Author: lilac ungodly telephone Interviewed with ENRD. Avue still says "selected for interview." All of my references were contacted. I was told offers would go out early Nov. Anyone else with ENRD updates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10315426) |
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Date: November 1st, 2008 4:56 PM Author: lilac ungodly telephone Almost forgot to congratulate everyone on their offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10315433) |
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Date: November 1st, 2008 5:11 PM Author: Violent Turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10315471) |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 9:43 AM Author: Talented site patrolman Monday bump.
According to the Honors Program website, first-round offers officially begin today.
Has anyone been selected as a finalist without their references being contacted? |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 10:10 AM Author: anal embarrassed to the bone set If it helps at all, my offer person said that they could have made offers on Monday. He didn't seem like he was in a rush. They also seem to have no idea about the dates or anything because I was originally told that offers wouldn't go out until around Thanksgiving.
Good luck to everyone still waiting! |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 10:33 AM Author: heady dark death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10321990) |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 1:10 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Regarding second round offer timing, the 2 components with which I've dealt have all indicated that offers expire in 14 days for non-students and 45 days for current students.
Accordingly, if this is (or has become) a standard policy, and if a given component intends to give multiple waves of offers, one might expect the first few second round offers to begin around 15 days after first round offers were made.
I could easily see how, on average, the bulk of first and second round offers will be made by Thanksgiving. Most first round recipients won't hold out the full extent of their allotted period to respond one way or another.
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 2:12 PM Author: Lavender Hot Library Subject: BOP Anyone hear of any offers being made by BOP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10322407) |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 8:12 PM Author: Khaki Macaca No, I don't know of anybody who has received an offer from BOP yet. Did BOP ever give you an indication of when they'd be making decisions? Have your references been called? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10323592) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 1:53 PM Author: Lavender Hot Library Subject: BOP My references have not been contacted yet, were yours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326387) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 5:41 PM Author: Khaki Macaca Subject: BOP No, my references were not contacted. They didn't tell me when they'd be making decisions either. Judging from other years, it looks like most of the offers for all DOJ components go out by the end of November, so I'd presume they'd have to do something in the next couple of weeks. Let me know if you find anything out. Thanks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10331624) |
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Date: November 10th, 2008 2:37 PM Author: Lavender Hot Library Subject: BOP I broke down and called today to find out what the deal was, I was told that due to a hiring freeze they have decided not to extend any offers beyond the funnel offers that were made to the summer interns. Did you hear anything different? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10348215) |
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Date: November 10th, 2008 6:28 PM Author: Violent Turdskin it's great how they waste no time letting applicants know.
wonder if this hiring freeze applies to the other as-of-yet silent components. |
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Date: November 10th, 2008 7:32 PM Author: Khaki Macaca Subject: bop oh, i hope the hiring freeze is temporary... they must be waiting for the new federal budget to get approved i'm guessing... hopefully they'll give offers later rather than never! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10349064) |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 5:52 PM Author: Khaki Macaca Subject: bop I got an email saying i was not selected as a finalist today... good luck to those of you still being considered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10358575) |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 9:53 AM Author: Lavender Hot Library Subject: BOP I got dinged as well. You may also want to apply to the District of Columbia AG's Honors Program, the deadline is Feb. 1, 2009. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10360381) |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 5:50 PM Author: Khaki Macaca Subject: bop ugh, too bad, there is some comfort in knowing i wasn't the only one. who knows, they may not have given all 4 or 5 offers this year. thanks for the tip. good luck to you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10361426) |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 4:55 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Wow . . . no activity today? I'm surprised.
legalbias, in your interview with EOUSA, did they tell you what their time frame was for making offers? |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 5:18 PM Author: snowy naked parlour Subject: Civil Tax Has anyone heard anything about offers for civil tax? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10322973) |
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Date: November 3rd, 2008 5:27 PM Author: lilac ungodly telephone Sorry, I can't help you with any info. Take faith that you are not alone in the darkness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10322995) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 12:10 PM Author: crusty abode love of her life Received offer from Civil Tax last week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326005) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 6:35 PM Author: snowy naked parlour Subject: Civil Tax When they made you an offer at civil tax did they say how they are doing the offers? I am selected as a finalist but I have not yet received a call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10327349) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 7:02 PM Author: crusty abode love of her life They did not say how they would be making other offers. I suspect that it will not occur all at once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10327455) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 2:23 PM Author: Grizzly Kink-friendly Puppy Incel Did you interview with other components? How long did they give you to accept the offer? Congratulations!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10331017) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 4:35 PM Author: crusty abode love of her life Yes, two others. I contacted them to find out my status so that I could make my decision, and I received a less than warm response. I would not recommend doing this. One of the contacts said I just plain was not a finalist with them, the other gave me a response that was kind of evasive. Tax gave 45 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10335245) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 12:25 PM Author: Geriatric fuchsia degenerate To my recollection, they didn't mention it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326059) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 10:50 AM Author: Talented site patrolman Probably not much point to this but . . . Election Day bump.
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Date: November 4th, 2008 12:30 PM Author: heady dark death wish Subject: Fed Programs? any one hear of fed programs making offers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326071) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 2:01 PM Author: Purple idea he suggested depressive I interviewed with them, but my status still says "selected for interview." Is it possible that they haven't selected their finalists yet? *crosses fingers* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326422) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 4:17 PM Author: Mauve public bath Same boat; interviewed with Fed Programs, still "selected for interview." Were your references contacted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326854) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 4:27 PM Author: heady dark death wish so we know Antitrust-Field, Civil-Com.Lit. and Tax-Civil have made some offers. Any others? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326890) |
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Date: November 4th, 2008 4:58 PM Author: Violent Turdskin any ATR DC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10326980) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 12:12 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Post-election bump.
It got really quiet after that round of offers late last week. Were those three components really the only active ones? Anyone?
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Date: November 5th, 2008 12:46 PM Author: Scarlet Stimulating Really Tough Guy Address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10330579) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 1:01 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10330649) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 1:11 PM Author: Scarlet Stimulating Really Tough Guy Address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10330698) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 1:14 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Thanks. I don't think it's time to worry yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10330710) |
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Date: November 5th, 2008 1:45 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate I know that it is quiet, but anyone heard from OIL? At the interview, they said that they would make offers this week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10330843) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 9:26 AM Author: Talented site patrolman
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Date: November 6th, 2008 12:17 PM Author: snowy naked parlour What program did you interview with? I interviewed with Tax Civil and I am in the same boat (finalist, but no offer). I am going crazy. I really just want to know what's going on. I am not sure if it is proper to call and ask. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10334545) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 1:06 PM Author: Grizzly Kink-friendly Puppy Incel Were your references contacted by tax civil? Mine were contacted the same day I interviewed, but my status still says selected for an interview. Probably isn't good news since my status didn't change to selected as a finalist. When did your status change angel? I might just email and ask...can't hurt too much at this point. If I get the courage to to it, I'll report back. Good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10334687) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 1:31 PM Author: snowy naked parlour I know at least one of my references were contacted. I noticed that my status changed on Monday, but it could have changed on Friday because I did not check it that day. I would appreciate your reporting back to me if you hear anything! Good luck to you also! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10334753) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 3:34 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate I am in the exact same boat as you- finalist & references not contacted (though I don't know if my 3rd ref has been called b/c she is across the country and I haven't asked). That's why I joined this listserve-b/c I was going crazy by Friday afternoon! I got an interview offer from another agency and they want me to travel at my own expense. I am thinking that if I don't hear by Monday I may follow up. (I had 3 interviews so I hope I don't guess wrong about who I am a finalist with.) Sarah |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 4:17 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard i had two interviews, still only "selected for interview." i'm giving up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10335207) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 4:21 PM Author: lilac ungodly telephone Depending on the component, it could be way too early to give up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10335210) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 5:26 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: other discussion boards // ag doj honors & fed agency honors any chance anyone has seen discussion of ag doj honors program admissions on another site? discussion of other fed agency honors programs interviews/admissions on another site?
i'm sure the O/P wouldn't like you to post links, but i'm sure posting names of sites would not cause problems..
any info is appreciated..
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Date: November 6th, 2008 6:38 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate Yeah, let me know too. I did some serious googling and this is all I found. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10335586) |
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Date: November 6th, 2008 7:07 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: interview chatter "Above the Law" had some chatter about doj ag honors interviews under "DOJ is Hiring Again" but has been pretty quiet about offers... possibly when more offers go out, chatter may pick up...
I also read about a site in a thread from a few years ago called "Greedy Government" (affiliated with "Greedy Associates") but I think the site has been shut down since...
If you are applying for a job that does not require a poly and do not ever plan on taking a poly, you might check out "antipolygraph.org" // site discussion is mostly focused on intelligence jobs but many times cross references other government job boards...
please update us if you find anything good!
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Date: November 6th, 2008 9:49 PM Author: heady dark death wish The Greedy Government board still exists, part of Findlaw.com, but its been dormant for a week, no DOJ Honors offer news. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10336488) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 10:26 AM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund My status changed to "finalist" but I have not heard. Does anybody know how to view which components chose you as a finalst? Also, anybody get offers from ATR-Chicago or ATF-Boston? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338253) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 11:47 AM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338480) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 12:05 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338519) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 12:18 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund Question BlackDalia, did your status change to "upon acceptance of an offer" an avue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338544) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 1:12 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338709) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:31 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund I cannot view your response for some reason? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339015) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:49 PM Author: Talented site patrolman She deleted it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339088) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 3:07 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks dojalum -- sorry. I'm uncomfortable posting information that may identify me. Once I've accepted a position, I'll be far more open.
In fact, when the HP hiring process ends, I intend to start a new thread recounting in detail the full extent of my experiences, my observations, and any speculations I have concerning the process. I know I (and many of you) have been frustrated at the lack of solid information out there, even from prior years; hopefully a new thread as I'm envisioning it could help future applicants.
So far, things that ought to be included are: (1) Whether anyone is ultimately selected without references being contacted. (2) Which components appear to contact everyone's references, which only contact references of finalists, which only contact references of those who receive offers, and which (if any) are willing to extend offers without contacting references at all. (3) A general time-line addressing when specific components tend to act relative to one another. Although this may vary by year and individuals involved, it might still be reflective of something. (4) Meaning/implications of Avue updates. (5) People's experience contacting components for more detailed status information.
I'm sure more will occur to me (and have occurred to many of you), and hope you'll all participate, as my own contribution will be necessarily limited to my own narrow experience. |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 3:13 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund I understand, I was just a little confused. As far as references go, I think most of the components do contact references. Both components I interviewed with did. I'm just frustrated with the lack of specificity that the Avue services provide. It should not be too difficult to at least list which components selected you as a "finalist." At this time, I'm still deciding whether or not to contact one of my interviewers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339156) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 12:12 PM Author: Orchid insanely creepy regret Subject: EOIR? Has anyone heard anything from EOIR? My status changed to "selected as finalist" last week, but I have heard nothing since then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338530) |
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Date: November 17th, 2008 9:53 AM Author: wild tripping base cuckold I was 'selected as finalist' in the last week of October by EOIR and haven't heard anything more from them. I broke down and e-mailed one of the contact people but got a vague response. Not really sure what it all means...
Has anyone heard anything from them? |
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Date: November 17th, 2008 12:02 PM Author: Orchid insanely creepy regret I didn't email them, but I still haven't heard anything more. Frustrating! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10371358) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 12:21 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund Subject: ATF Offers? Has anybody heard from either ATF field offices? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10338553) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:29 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339005) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:31 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Some offers have yet to be made. And it's not at all certain whether all status updates have been made. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339013) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:32 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund Which component - civil division, torts branch? Was your interviewer annoyed that you contacted him/her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339029) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:47 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339084) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:50 PM Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Partner Trust Fund Thanks! Did you email your interviewer? Maybe I should do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339092) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 2:56 PM Author: Talented site patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339108) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 3:06 PM Author: Brindle Faggotry Clerkface, any plans to contact Torts interviewer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339136) |
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Date: November 7th, 2008 3:08 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Not at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10339142) |
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Date: November 8th, 2008 12:26 PM Author: insecure market Subject: Crim Any word from Crim Div? I haven't heard from them since my interview or seen a status change online. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10341723) |
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Date: November 8th, 2008 12:44 PM Author: Trip Institution Subject: Mystery 2.0 Hi guys,
I have a status change + refs contacted + no call. Don't know if helps any, except to reinforce that not many have been called yet.
-A
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Date: November 10th, 2008 11:53 AM Author: Violent Turdskin Don't suppose there is going to be any news today, eh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10347743) |
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Date: November 10th, 2008 6:25 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: slow day in government today... with the day off tomorrow... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10348843) |
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Date: November 10th, 2008 6:52 PM Author: Violent Turdskin totally forgot veteran's day was tomorrow. no wonder things are moving so slowly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10348947) |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 1:13 PM Author: mind-boggling area wagecucks Yesterday I accepted the offer extended to me from the Antitrust field office at the end of October. Given the holiday today, I'll call my Civil Commercial Litigation contact tomorrow to inform the component that I won't be accepting their offer.
If anyone has been selected as a CL finalist but hasn't yet received an offer, perhaps another offer will be in the works. |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 1:37 PM Author: Talented site patrolman Congrats, BD. Hope things went well for you S.O., too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10351535) |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 7:50 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate Just got news from OIL. I was selected as a finalist and further review of my application is on hold until the budget is approved in March. From what I was told at the interview, I think that means I am a second-round pick and they have already given first round offers. Ugh. I will keep applying. |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 8:54 PM Author: Cordovan Twisted Kitchen Roommate how did you find out this new info?
My status changed over a week ago to finalist.
Did someone from OIL call you? Did you get an email? |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 10:23 PM Author: Orchid insanely creepy regret What section of OIL - District Court or Appellate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10353270) |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 10:47 PM Author: Cordovan Twisted Kitchen Roommate I only interviewed with the appellate section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10353330) |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 10:22 PM Author: Orchid insanely creepy regret Subject: OIL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10353265) |
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Date: November 12th, 2008 2:32 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate I interviewed in appellate. I contacted my interviewer b/c another agency wanted me to fly out and interview at my own expense. She forwarded my message to someone at main justice who was able to tell me that I was only selected as a finalist by OIL. I actually do not know if OIL gave out any offers. She said she would let me know if there was any other news and I will post here if she does. Good luck everyone! |
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Date: November 11th, 2008 10:34 PM Author: umber cumskin Subject: ENRD? Anyone heard anything? Has anyone heard ANYTHING from ENRD? My references were contacted but my Avue status hasn't changed... and I've heard nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10353295) |
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Date: November 12th, 2008 12:24 AM Author: lilac ungodly telephone I'm in the exact same situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10353731) |
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Date: November 12th, 2008 3:39 PM Author: Violent Turdskin another day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10355200) |
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Date: November 12th, 2008 4:41 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: don't worry in a few weeks, our rejection emails will arrive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10355330) |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 11:32 AM Author: lilac ungodly telephone I was too impatient to wait for my rejection email, so I called ENRD. I was told that ENRD selected a finalist list of 25 and has already exteneded offers. I, however, was not on that list. Back to the job postings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10357647) |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 1:23 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: if it makes you feel any better... my references have not been contacted...
i must be at the bottom of a really long list... |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 8:21 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: failed DOJ AG Honors app where do we go from here?
(1) federal honors programs;
(2) judicial clerkship + apply again next fall;
(3) usajobs applications with DOJ agency general counsel post-bar + extra app requirement (top 1/3 or main law review or order of coif or win moot ct comp);
(4) district attorney or state attorney (3-5 years) --> USAO (3-? years) --> DOJ or fed agency;
(5) district attorney or state attorney (3-5 years) --> usajobs with DOJ agency general counsel;
(6) Army/Navy/Air Force JAG --> USAO or usajobs with DOJ agency general counsel;
(6) city attorney's office --> USAO or usajobs with DOJ agency general counsel;
(7) ?? any suggestions ?? |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 8:27 PM Author: at-the-ready slimy school cafeteria In this economy, just apply everywhere. It's too late for 99% of the federal clerkships out there (don't know about state), but take either if you can get them. DOJ Honors does hire from state court clerkships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10359009) |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 10:09 PM Author: Wonderful demanding idiot gay wizard You think it's over? I think there still might be one last wave. I'm not hopeful for myself, but maybe some might be surprised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10359249) |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 11:02 PM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: probably one more wave I bet there is one more wave, but I am also not hopeful. It's probably especially true if you are shooting for a large and largely unwanted section. :) [that's me!!!]
OSCAR still has some listings for fed judges who wait to accept until spring. The list is short but there are some. There is also a long list of judges who did not post anything on OSCAR and I bet there's a shot with them, especially in the smaller towns. It would only take some phone calls to chambers after you narrow down a list.
I have also heard through the grapevine that more fed mag judges post in the spring. It would be a great experience, even though lots of students for some reason are wary of mag court. Lots of research and writing. And, yes, another shot at DOJ AG Honors in September 2009.
Best of luck to everyone!
Any other suggestions are appreciated! |
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Date: November 13th, 2008 11:34 PM Author: Trip Institution Subject: Question Does anyone know anything about whether Fed Progs has notified? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10359582) |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 12:12 AM Author: doobsian poppy casino Subject: another alternative (7) Presidential Management Fellows; (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10359748) |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 9:06 AM Author: Trip Institution Subject: (8) (8) Going off and doing that thing you've always wanted to do...and coming back when the economy is better.
N.B.: This theory only works if you don't think about practical factors, so STOP thinking about them. |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 10:57 AM Author: shaky trailer park Subject: Civil Rights Division The Civil Rights Division has made all its offers, and doesn't expect to make any more based on the number of acceptances they've gotten, so if you were waiting to get news from them, the news you'll be getting won't be good.
Good luck to everyone! |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 12:17 PM Author: Talented site patrolman On Monday I got an offer from EOUSA. This week I also received a rejection letter (snail mail) from a USAO field office. I also interviewed with Civil-Torts but have not heard from them. My Avue status still reads "Selected as Finalist" and my references have not been contacted.
I know that my "finalist" status update was not originally posted by EOUSA. I kind of doubt that it was posted by the USAO office, so that leaves Civil-Torts. It does seem like it is standard practice for components to hold offers open for at least 14 days. My guess is that Torts listed me as a finalist but did not select me for a first-round offer.
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Date: November 14th, 2008 3:38 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate Congratulations! Nice to hear some good news. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10361188) |
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Date: November 17th, 2008 7:57 AM Author: Geriatric fuchsia degenerate Subject: EOUSA Congrats on the EOUSA offer. Which office are you heading to (assuming you accept the offer)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10371050) |
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Date: November 18th, 2008 10:15 AM Author: Talented site patrolman Thanks. District of South Carolina. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10373899) |
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Date: November 14th, 2008 3:35 PM Author: Pink Submissive Office Doctorate Subject: Where next (Marolio) Whoever posted about the economy is right- I think the competition for private sector jobs has probably made this process more difficult for all of us.
I had an EOIR clerkship and was applying for after a 2-year state sup. ct clerkship, so they definitely consider state ct clerks. (But as I said before, 3 interviews and no offer w/ finalist status review in March.)
My state still has intermediate court of appeals clerkships open, so maybe it is the same in other states and not too late. I was advised that writing experience is key if I wanted to return, so I would definitely do appellate.
My impression from agencies I have talked to is that any kind of federal clerkship is better than any state clerkship, so if mag judges are hiring then that is good.
Also, keep checking USA jobs; some components seem to be accepting newer attorneys. Though I think a lot may require bar membership.
If you want to do something like ICE or AUSA, prosecution is probably the way to go. (I know that this is true for ICE- it seems like people were either former EOIR clerks or prosecutors).
I know that DOJ loves externships w/judges too so if you are a law student and haven't done one yet maybe you could do one in spring.
Good luck! We should try to remember that just by getting the interview we beat out 75-90% of applicants, so we are all well qualified. (Of course THAT doesn't pay the bills, but we're gonna need strong egos to keep applying in this economy.) |
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Date: November 17th, 2008 1:12 PM Author: azure codepig Does anyone want to take my contractor job here at DOJ? I really don't want to work for Nobama. Maybe we can switch jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10371511) |
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Date: November 17th, 2008 1:16 PM Author: azure codepig Actually, i was talking to my Dad last night telling him how bad I want to quit now and he says I should keep working because I'm not working for Nobama, but for the country. But, I refuse to work for Obamanation. I have only two months to get out of here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10371530) |
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Date: November 18th, 2008 10:35 PM Author: Cordovan Twisted Kitchen Roommate Subject: any finalists heard anything Any other persons selected as finalists here anything lately? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10375768) |
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Date: November 19th, 2008 2:32 PM Author: Violent Turdskin not a damn thing in 2.5 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=867220&forum_id=2#10377733) |