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Magistrate Clerkship - Is it worth it?

I will probably finish my 2L at just above median at a top 4...
bisexual liquid oxygen
  02/22/09
Way better than being unemployed. I wouldn't count on getti...
Supple step-uncle's house party of the first part
  02/22/09
nah man, midlaw likes magistrate and it'd make him more comp...
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magistrate would be cr under those circumstances
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Assuming I get and take a magistrate clerkship in a really s...
bisexual liquid oxygen
  02/24/09
it won't hurt you.
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MJs are just fine. It's good experience. You see just abou...
opaque legend
  02/24/09
would it give you a boost for other federal jobs?
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maybe jobs with the social security administration...
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  03/08/10
why them specifically?
cowardly theater personal credit line
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b/c MJs routinely handle appeals from SSA rulings.
Big-titted domesticated blood rage
  03/10/10
What school?
razzle school cafeteria messiness
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I am in an almost identical situation. Have already passed a...
cowardly theater personal credit line
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if you like the MJ and feel he/she has decent gov connection...
iridescent stage private investor
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ty dood
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is this a coast or central flyover?
Grizzly Factory Reset Button
  03/10/10
flyover (I am from flyover)
cowardly theater personal credit line
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mind saying coa?
Grizzly Factory Reset Button
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it isnt a COA clerkship, but the circuit is in flyover. That...
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just curious brosef. was asking in which circuit is the dct....
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you got a DCt interview? good luck
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no dooder i got dinged from my dct. but im trying to see wh...
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how do you think you messed up in the interview?
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i did only corp work at latham and took all corp courses at ...
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were all the interviews really substantive questions?
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interview Qs tend not to be substantive. usually it goes li...
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im just gonna try to shoot the shit with the guy
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those three questions are cake for me: I have family there a...
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"I want to tackle new complex challenging problems whil...
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Date: February 22nd, 2009 1:32 AM
Author: bisexual liquid oxygen

I will probably finish my 2L at just above median at a top 40ish law school and really wanted to do a clerkship. I realize clerkships will be harder to come by because of the economy, but I feel like I have a decent shot at a Federal Magistrate clerkship in a smaller town in my state. Assuming I don't have a full time job offer at a firm before 3L year, will a magistrate clerkship still make me marketable for firms even if the clerkship is in some rural town?

Also, assuming I do a clerkship for a magistrate judge, would I be competitive for a more prestigious federal district clerkship the following year (relative to a new law school grad with better grades/law school)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#10969819)



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Date: February 22nd, 2009 1:36 AM
Author: Supple step-uncle's house party of the first part

Way better than being unemployed. I wouldn't count on getting a boost out of it though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#10969839)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:50 PM
Author: copper water buffalo site

nah man, midlaw likes magistrate and it'd make him more competitive for a better clerkship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316063)



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Date: February 22nd, 2009 1:49 AM
Author: Floppy Trailer Park Lettuce

Sure, it's a good experience. Do you or a prof you're tight with have a connection to the MJ? MJ's in a major city will get hundreds of apps, and even one in a small town will probably get 50-100 ... and I have to say median at a T40 will not make you stand out.

Might make you a bit more marketable to firms. D.Ct. will depend on how tight your MJ is with the D.Ct. judges. It won't hurt, but it's far from a guarantee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#10969923)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:47 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316019)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 7:16 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316276)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 8:06 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



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Date: March 6th, 2010 11:54 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14318529)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:53 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355196)



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Date: March 13th, 2010 1:46 AM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14376570)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:50 PM
Author: copper water buffalo site

magistrate would be cr under those circumstances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316057)



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Date: February 24th, 2009 3:22 PM
Author: bisexual liquid oxygen

Assuming I get and take a magistrate clerkship in a really small town, how much of a competitive boost could I receive when applying for first-year associate positions in 2011?

For example, would an employer prefer someone who graduated median from a 40ish law school with a federal magistrate clerkship over a grad straight out of law school who graduated top third from a similarly ranked law school (assuming everything else is relatively equal)?

I know a federal magistrate clerkship won't HURT my employment prospects, but I wanted to see what kind of boost I can get from a clerkship. Also, I'm not taking about getting into BIGLAW, but at a decent regional or boutique firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#10986655)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:51 PM
Author: copper water buffalo site

it won't hurt you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316072)



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Date: February 24th, 2009 3:30 PM
Author: opaque legend

MJs are just fine. It's good experience. You see just about everything a DCt judge sees, just a little more of the dirty work.

It's marginal, at best, for applying up the chain later. It's nice that you have the experience clerking, which means that a DCt judge might want you because you "get" the system a little more, but a lot more is on grade.

As for employment options, you're in a bind with those grades. Same thing--MJ will help, but it's marginal at best. Maybe your MJ still has some connections at his old firm.

Basically, it's much more worthwhile to work your tail off as a 3L to bring that cumulative GPA up than poke around XO asking how much an MJ can add to your resume. A 0.05 GPA bump is going to look a lot better than most resume filler.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#10986707)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 8:13 AM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

would it give you a boost for other federal jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14312180)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 8:49 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14317044)



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Date: March 7th, 2010 2:50 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14322286)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:38 AM
Author: iridescent stage private investor

maybe jobs with the social security administration...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14329068)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:12 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

why them specifically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354754)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 10:51 PM
Author: Big-titted domesticated blood rage

b/c MJs routinely handle appeals from SSA rulings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14356722)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:47 PM
Author: razzle school cafeteria messiness

What school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316026)



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Date: March 6th, 2010 6:55 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

I am in an almost identical situation. Have already passed a bar and worked for a bit though. Went to a T50, top 40% grades, 2ndary journal, moot court and have a flyover magistrate interview in a couple weeks. My current job is fed, but in a horrible city where I have no intention of living longterm and the work is dead end, monotonous, and terrible. The clerkship is closer to where I want to live, but is only a year long. Quitting a permanent job, no matter how terrible, takes balls ITE, but doing the clerkship would add to my resume. Go for it if offered? My goal is to stay in fed govt long term. Would doing this for a year improve chances at getting a better federal job (at an agency that does litigation, etc ie EEOC, Labor et al)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14316100)



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Date: March 8th, 2010 12:39 AM
Author: iridescent stage private investor

if you like the MJ and feel he/she has decent gov connections, this would be a wise move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14329078)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:11 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

ty dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354748)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:22 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

is this a coast or central flyover?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354862)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:22 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

flyover (I am from flyover)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354872)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:23 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

mind saying coa?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354884)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:27 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

it isnt a COA clerkship, but the circuit is in flyover. That's all Im saying. Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354922)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:29 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

just curious brosef. was asking in which circuit is the dct. trying to gauge my chances is all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354954)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:30 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

you got a DCt interview? good luck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354968)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:31 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

no dooder i got dinged from my dct. but im trying to see where im competitive for this fall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354976)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:32 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

how do you think you messed up in the interview?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14354988)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:34 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

i did only corp work at latham and took all corp courses at CLS. i have no lit or writing experience. ive gotten dinged from 5 clerkships after being grilled about things like a motion in limine, whatever that is!

edit: also, ite, of the 5 dings, 4 judges interviewed 10-20 people for one spot; 1 judge interviewed 3. even if you give a great interview you still will prob get dinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355016)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:46 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

were all the interviews really substantive questions?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355130)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:57 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

interview Qs tend not to be substantive. usually it goes like this:

1) discuss how you came (plane/train/car)

2) discuss geographic trend of resume

3) discuss latham pwnage

x-- [at some point between 1)-5)

......Discuss commmon interests / interest listed at bottom of resume / organic good conversation

5) so you did corporate work at latham?

6) discuss corporate work you did and why lit now?

7) so why do you want to clerk exactly?

8) and where is your writing experience then?

9) ok but you wouldn't know what a [insert litigation motion i have never heard of] is?

10) is there anything you want to tell me that's not on your resume?

11) well you are a great candidate and have a great resume.

12) i have a few more candidates i promised id interview!

13) youll hear from me in the next 2-3 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355246)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 7:58 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

im just gonna try to shoot the shit with the guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355272)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 8:01 PM
Author: Grizzly Factory Reset Button

they de-rail shit every time. this isn't a firm interview: completely different. i tried appearing aloof/friendly/shooting shit on my first one and judge kept trying to switch back to the inorganic "why clerk," "why this district," "where is your writing experience" questions. That was my only 3 ppl interviewing for 1 spot interview. And I got pwnd, likely because I treated it like a firm interview instead of appearing like a super eager lit douche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355303)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 8:15 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

those three questions are cake for me: I have family there and want to return longterm, I want to tackle new complex challenging problems while contributing to judicial process and learning interesting areas of law, and I was on ed board, published, moot court etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355415)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 10:53 PM
Author: Big-titted domesticated blood rage

"I want to tackle new complex challenging problems while contributing to judicial process and learning interesting areas of law"

If you were interviewing in my chambers I would ding you for this before you even got to the judge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14356743)



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Date: March 11th, 2010 7:01 PM
Author: Ruddy Free-loading Mediation Market

what should the answer be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14364480)



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Date: March 13th, 2010 4:58 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14381580)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 8:08 PM
Author: Translucent Dysfunction

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355371)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 8:14 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line

y dooder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14355408)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 9:40 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



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Date: March 10th, 2010 10:54 PM
Author: Big-titted domesticated blood rage

Worth it compared to what? Read up on what MJs do and then figure it out. Ironically, MJ work is probably better for biglaw than D. Ct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14356758)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 11:41 PM
Author: pearl medicated mother

What rank would you need at a T30 state school (think Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana) to get one of these? Need law review? I mean, not for the purpose of getting biglaw of course, but just to get some sort of job.

I would imagine it's harder than a state-level appeals court but how much harder?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14357194)



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Date: March 10th, 2010 11:46 PM
Author: Big-titted domesticated blood rage

Depends where. In a competitive district you'd probably need top 10-15% + journal. In Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana you'd probably be OK with top 1/3 + journal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=937821&forum_id=2#14357224)



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Date: March 19th, 2010 9:16 PM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



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Date: March 13th, 2010 10:00 AM
Author: cowardly theater personal credit line



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