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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:20 AM Author: heady sepia location Mother sets fire to her daughter's gloating rapist
By Peter Upton in Alicante Last Updated: 11:48PM BST 25 Jun 2005 A Spanish mother has taken revenge on the man who raped her 13-year-old daughter at knifepoint by dousing him in petrol and setting him alight. He died of his injuries in hospital on Friday.
Antonio Cosme Velasco Soriano, 69, had been sent to jail for nine years in 1998, but was let out on a three-day pass and returned to his home town of Benejúzar, 30 miles south of Alicante, on the Costa Blanca.
While there, he passed his victim's mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out "How's your daughter?", before heading into a crowded bar.
Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.
The woman fled to Alicante, where she was arrested the same evening. When she appeared in court the next day in the town of Orihuela, she was cheered and clapped by a crowd, who shouted "Bravo!" and "Well done!"
A judge ordered her to be held in prison and undergo psychiatric tests, provoking anger from friends and neighbours, who have set up a petition calling for her release.
Soriano suffered 60 per cent burns in the attack on June 13 and was airlifted to a specialist unit. He survived for 11 days before succumbing to his injuries.
It is understood that the woman, who cannot be named because of laws safeguarding the identity of rape victims, claims to have no recollection of the attack which took place in the Bar Mary, just 300 yards from the family home.
As decorators painted over the blackened walls of his bar last week, Antonio Ferrendez Lopez told how Soriano had walked in at lunchtime.
"The place was packed with people eating. I was sitting at a table and Soriano was standing at the bar very close to me when the woman walked in," he said. "She didn't acknowledge anyone but walked up to Soriano, who was drinking a coffee, put her hand on his shoulder and turned him round to face her.
"Then she pulled the bottle she was carrying from under her arm and began to tip it over him. At first I didn't realise what was happening, but then I smelt the petrol. I jumped up and tried to grab her, but when she struck a match I got clear.
"The petrol was in a pool around Soriano, and she threw the match into it. It ignited with a whoosh, and he screamed and staggered about covered in flames. As people rushed outside to escape the flames, she just looked at him, then turned and walked away."
Customers helped Mr Lopez put out the fire with extinguishers and doused Soriano with water until paramedics arrived.
Soriano's attack on the woman's teenage daughter took place in 1998. The girl was going to buy a loaf of bread when Soriano snatched her from the street, threatened her with a knife and raped her. Her mother is said to have suffered mental illness ever since.
Soriano was convicted of the rape and ordered to serve 13 years in jail. The sentence was later reduced to nine years on appeal.
The woman's lawyer, Joaquín Galant, told The Sunday Telegraph last night: "The family has suffered a double tragedy. First the attack on their daughter and now this. Both the father and his daughter would like to express their sadness at the death of Soriano."
Earlier, Mr Galant said that the woman did not deserve to be kept in prison. "For seven years she has been deeply affected by what was done to her daughter," he said. "This man, fresh from prison and asking how her daughter was, might be considered to have provoked her." |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:24 AM Author: Curious locale twinkling uncleanness what a pity he died so soon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#10998976) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: shivering mother friendly grandma Agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000565) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: Milky Unholy Office Karate my first thought was thank got he was still alive at the hospita.
i would have much rather he be treated for burns over 85% of his body and then die 4 months later. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:24 AM Author: Sooty Talented Hall Rigor Great that they kept him alive for 11 days, probably cost their taxpayers like 150k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#10998980) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:25 AM Author: Curious locale twinkling uncleanness cheaper than supporting him for the rest of his sentence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#10998993) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:26 AM Author: Sooty Talented Hall Rigor More expensive than paramedics getting a flat tire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#10999013) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 1:30 AM Author: Sooty Talented Hall Rigor He was probably unconscious or heavily doped, i doubt there was little if any suffering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#10999052) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:15 AM Author: Citrine Queen Of The Night to be fair, what 13yo can't fight off a 60yo? My guess is that she asked for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000161) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:21 AM Author: Thriller jet-lagged parlour black woman The dude had a knife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000180) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:24 AM Author: Citrine Queen Of The Night That's what she says. Who knows if it was true? She was probably just trying to hide the fact that she didn't struggle enough.
If rape is supposed to be the worst thing to happen to a woman, she probably could have prevented it if she wanted to. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:30 AM Author: Fighting frum dilemma gunner are you serious? 60 years olds have that old man strength. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000204) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:18 AM Author: rusted bateful elastic band this bitch should die a slow and painful death. rape really isn't that big of a deal. her cunt daughter apparently didn't even remember that shit. what a whore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000167) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:19 AM Author: electric range A 69 year old rapist dying is also no big deal, dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000169) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:20 AM Author: rusted bateful elastic band burning to death is a pretty big deal, dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000175) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:22 AM Author: electric range some old rapist getting killed is no big deal, and i don't care how he died. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000183) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Histrionic national While the article is ambiguous, I think it's the mother who couldn't remember burning the old man, not the kid who couldn't remember the rape. They can't name the mother bc it would id the daughter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000539) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:32 AM Author: Contagious Giraffe Jails give three day passes now? WTF? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000211) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:27 AM Author: gay center potus Jebus, I laughed at this one too. What's going on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000459) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:29 AM Author: greedy church rigpig welcome to europe! aka, what obama plans to turn this country into soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000478) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:44 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter He'd already been tried, sentenced and had served a long sentence for his crime. I do not approve of this at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000247) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:48 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead vigilante justice is very often justified for murder and rape, imo.
i can tell you if my daughter is ever raped, i am not waiting 10 years, and i'm damned sure not doing it in such a passive manner. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Cracking low-t trust fund dousing someone with petrol and lighting them on fire in a crowded bar = passive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000280) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:53 AM Author: Motley ebony library Totally beta move; she should have snuck into his house and poured protein shake all over his refrigerator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000293) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:13 PM Author: Snowy fear-inspiring menage national security agency underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000819) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:54 AM Author: Passionate locus lonestar doesn't fuck around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000296) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:58 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead yeah, you're not actually physically touching them or breaking their bones or anything. it's like shooting someone, it's a bit of a ranged attack.
i would break as many bones as i could before i finish them off slow as circumstances allow. my wife, my daughter, my young son, or my mom, any of them.
god, this sounds like retarded internet posturing, but i would see 50 shades of red. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: silver kitchen Yeah. If I wanted someone to suffer and know that I had caused their suffering, this seems like the only way I could do it. I couldn't stab or torture anyone. I wouldn't shoot at someone in an open bar. Burning them alive is the easiest way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000333) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:59 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter Very strange attitude to have for a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000328) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead i think he forfeited the privilege of living peacefully when he raped that girl.
similar to not allowing felons to vote. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:08 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter I'm just surprised you don't put more trust and authority in the justice system that you work for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000367) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:12 AM Author: silver kitchen lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000388) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:14 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead riiiight.
i'm not a criminal litigator, and not a litigator in any capacity. that's not my shit and it's garbage anyway. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:48 AM Author: Motley ebony library And now she's finally had her justice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000265) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:49 AM Author: Cracking low-t trust fund if part of the purpose of punishment is rehabilitation, it clearly didnt work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000269) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman because of the three other rapes he committed while on leave? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000284) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:53 AM Author: Cracking low-t trust fund probably but i was referring to taunting the mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000290) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:55 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman I think the level of "taunting" from the facts presented is somewhat unclear.
In any case, his death is no big loss, but she should spend the rest of her life in prison. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: Fighting frum dilemma gunner the fact that he tauned her at all is clear. does it really matter the level? you're taunting a mother about raping her daughter.
she should do some time, but not life. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:59 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead agreed. something nominal but no more.
the "right" thing is not to give her a minute in the clink or even arrest her, but law/order doesn't always match up with what is right. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: Fighting frum dilemma gunner exactly.
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman eh, ten years is a lot of time for rape too.
give her the same and call it a deal. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:05 AM Author: silver kitchen Are you joking? Child rapists are awful people who deserve to die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000348) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:07 AM Author: Motley ebony library Fuckin miracle that didn't happen in prison. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000363) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:05 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead i think it depends on your perspective, earl.
i would think that a majority of people would say that the only thing she did wrong was doing it in such a public place where others, and the property, could be injured/damaged.
the burning/killing itself is not the wrong, and 10 years seems like an awful lot for setting a fire in that manner. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:19 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman Just cause I might want to, or even try to kill someone out of prison who raped my 13 year old kid doesn't mean it's the right thing to do or that I should not be punished for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000419) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:23 AM Author: Multi-colored circlehead stead if you believe that society's laws should reflect the will of the majority, and further that jury nullification represents but one manifestation of this sentiment, you can see why she should not be punished for it in the legal context.
morally is more of a subjective issue, but you can usually approximate a society's collective moral positions by the attitudes of the majority.
the scope of this goes beyond your or my or any one individual's compulsions here, imo. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: Fighting frum dilemma gunner of course it's not the right thing to do.
it's one thing to rape the girl. that's terrible and he served his time. fine. fucked up, but that's how the system works.
To get out though and taunt a woman who was already mentally disturbed about raping her daughter? what do you get for that, earl?
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman um not death. That's something Paulie Walnuts or :D would do.
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:06 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter I agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000358) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:12 AM Author: Fighting frum dilemma gunner this must be flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000386) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:21 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman flame cause I dont think hot headed revenge murder is justified?
or flame because 10 fucking years is a lot of time in prison for anything, including rape. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo Rape, unlike the majority of other violent crimes that stop short of mayhem, will undoubtedly ruin this poor girl's life in a lot of ways. She will become a shell of her former self. The elimination of a productive citizen deserves to be severely punished. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000438) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:25 AM Author: Lime Chapel earl's just bored at work and trying to get his mind off the upcoming bloodbath of layoffs tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000444) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo Yea, but I'm posting this for the 20,000 lurkers we get every day. Lest they start thinking earl's line of reasoning is rational. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000453) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: Lime Chapel fair enough. sometimes i forget how big of an audience we're playing for. and rach still hasn't mailed my damn paycheck, i really need to get direct deposit. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:29 AM Author: Stirring area patrolman yes rational minds cant possibly think that 10 year sentences are appropriate for rape and that revenge murders are not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000481) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Soul-stirring Flirting Church Building Pervert you're taking on a lot of posters here so I'll back you to an extent.
I don't think ten years is an appropriate sentence for raping a 13 year old. life would be more appropriate in my mind. although I agree that revenge murders aren't right either. i understand why the mother did what she did, but she definitely needs to be tried and sentenced to serious jail time for comitting murder (or be committed if she has indeed gone insane). |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:45 AM Author: Motley ebony library Agree that 10 years is light. If you are raping children at knife point, you are officially over the fucking rainbow. You're not coming back from that, and punishment aside, the best thing that can be done with you is to lock you away from potential future victims.
Some punishment for the woman's actions is appropriate, but I think we can agree her career as a killer is done now. She is not a danger to others who needs to be kept off the streets, and she is not in need of rehabilitation. I suppose it could be held up as a deterrent for other people who'd like to exact revenge on rapists. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:54 AM Author: Soul-stirring Flirting Church Building Pervert "I suppose it could be held up as a deterrent for other people who'd like to exact revenge on rapists"
This is part of my reasoning.
But I'm not sure the woman isn't still a threat. Clearly she was provoked, between the fact that the daughter was raped and this cocksucker had the audacity to gloat about it. I can't imagine what I'd do in the situation. But setting a man on fire in a crowded bar like that...I mean, that's some Keyser Soze shit right there. We talk big here about "what I'd do in that situation" and about how we'd go about exacting revenge for being wronged like that, but at the end of the day I doubt many people have it in them to take someone's life, let alone in such a horrifying manner (even though the self-proclaimed xo alphas would never admit as much). And I think that we do need to take a look at someone who does something like this, and punish them appropriately.
And on a personal note, I have a friend who's been raped, and she knew her attacker, and when some shady characters she associates with offered to kill the guy she told them not to. Seriously, aside from self-defense you have to be more than a little off to kill another person. My friend was traumatized but she couldn't even order that scumbag to be killed. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:58 AM Author: silver kitchen A woman saying she doesn't want her attacker killed is very different from a mother saying she doesn't want her minor child's attacker killed.
Good God, I can't imagine what she watched her child suffer through.
I do NOT think you have to be Keyser Soze to kill someone who hurt your child so and then gloated about it. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:03 PM Author: Soul-stirring Flirting Church Building Pervert everything you wrote is fair, particularly your first paragraph. we just disagree on the severity of the mother's actions, I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000744) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:10 PM Author: Motley ebony library After reading this post, I've come to the conclusion that true justice would have been served if the woman had bit the rapist's dick off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000797) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:00 PM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter She murdered another person and should be punished accordingly. It doesn't matter if she'll never do it again; it doesn't matter if she's not in need of rehabilitation; and it doesn't matter if she'll be a deterrent to others or not. This is purely retributive: you murder someone, you pay the price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000723) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:08 PM Author: Motley ebony library You'll note that I'm not arguing that this woman should walk.
She should get whatever sentence is consistent with a murder where rehabilitation and specific deterrence are not considerations in sentencing.
I don't have the statistics, but I would think such a sentence would be considerably shorter than one where the convict is demonstrably depraved individual who commits heinous, violent crimes with zero provocation, and specific deterrence therefore is a very real consideration. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 2:27 PM Author: fluffy piazza I don't think it would be much of deterrent. The woman wasn't behaving rationally, and neither would other people faced with similar situations. It seems like the guy started taunting her and she just snapped. If someone is in a similar situation in the future, they're not going to stop to consider how much time this woman received. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11001913) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested What I don't quite understand is how he he won an appeal to reduce the sentence from 13 years to 9 years. Somewhere, some judge thought to himself that 13 years is to severe for "simply rape" but 8 years is far too lenient. I mean, who decides these completely arbitrary sentences? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000607) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:47 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo A judge like earl. I imagine lots of asshole men think rape is 'not that big a deal' b/c that 'bitch probably asked for it/enjoyed it' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000632) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:49 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter In Norway you'd get around 2 years for the same crime, maybe less. THAT'S sick, but 10 years is just right IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000645) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:12 PM Author: Dark casino I think my husband said 20 years is the longest sentence you can possibly get in Norway. I don't know what that owuld be for if rape gets you 2. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000811) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:25 PM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter 21 years is the theoretically longest sentence you can get, but around 15 years seems to be the norm for murders. You CAN, in practice, get life in prison, if you're obviously still fucked up at the end of that sentence, but usually it's the other way around and you'll be in prison for significantly less.
I just read in the paper yesterday that some dude who beat up and killed a guy on the street (unprovoked) was sentenced to TWO years in prison! That's so fucked up. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:15 PM Author: silver kitchen These people are descended from VIKINGS. What do you expect?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000828) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 4:48 PM Author: stimulating awkward new version You have 20,000 lurkers in your base!? ZOMG bring in the science vessels! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11002782) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter 10 years in prison is a pretty fucking severe punishment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000451) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:21 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo You sound like an UG douche, either too eager to be CONTROVERSIAL or actually dumb enough to be incapable of rational understanding. Let's try this, imagine it was your daughter raped at 13 at knife point, get where i'm going with this? Maybe a hypo will help you understand how awful something that could never affect you really is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000426) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:25 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter uh.. shitty, horrible things happen to people all the time. In fact a shitty life is a big reason why many people become criminals in the first place. That doesn't mean it's an excuse or that they're not responsible for their criminal actions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000447) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:27 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo Yes, very good. *hands you a red ball* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000465) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:31 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter you just lost the game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000495) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 4:43 PM Author: magenta slap-happy internal respiration "the fact that he tauned her at all is clear."
Not really. We didn't get his side of the story, and "?como esta su hija?" could be a sincere attempt at showing contrition or a total asshole move depending on tone, etc. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:58 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter It's not. His only duty is to serve his sentence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000318) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:07 AM Author: Wonderful indigo yarmulke theater stage lol why do you care about what happens to this dood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000362) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:09 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter because I care about justice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000373) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:40 AM Author: Histrionic national This was just dude. It sounds like what you care about is proceedure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000567) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:46 AM Author: silver kitchen WE HAVE A WINNER!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000625) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:48 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter Not at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000637) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:09 PM Author: diverse stage french chef Obviously if he gloated about it he didn't serve long enough. 9 years for rape is a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000787) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 10:56 AM Author: silver kitchen *shrugs shoulders* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000312) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:06 AM Author: Wonderful indigo yarmulke theater stage this broad deserves a medal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000359) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:08 AM Author: seedy forum reading party Oh, how things would have turned out different if the spic had on Petro's a-rapin' suit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000366) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:10 AM Author: Motley ebony library That was Petro.
DragonSkin body armor and a ballguard would have allowed this guy to LOL and ask about her daughter again. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:12 AM Author: seedy forum reading party I'll edit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000389) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:14 AM Author: At-the-ready Juggernaut Theater It should be perfectly legal to do this.
There should be no psycho analysis as to whether there was adequate provocation or whether the mother in fact had an extreme emotional disturbance.
Rather, it should just be a complete defense. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:17 AM Author: silver kitchen That would be a REAL deterrent to child rape. lol
Knowing that if you are caught and her parents kill your ass, the fact that you raped their daughter is a defense in and of itself. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: Motley ebony library What?
If you're dead you're dead, and the punishment your killer gets for doing so is quite irrelevant as you will be busy riding Barbaro bareback across the fiery plains of Hell.
Knowing that raping someone gives your victim's family carte blanche to hunt you down and brutally murder you with impunity would likely decrease the occurrence of rape somewhat.
If that's the point you were making, then I guess we're in agreement; but I really couldn't tell at all if your capitalization of REAL was meant to indicate sarcasm or sincerity. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: silver kitchen Yeah. We're in agreement. I think the fear of vigilante justice would be much more pressing than the fear of criminal liability. It's not unheard of for people to spend a few months in jail for rape. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000506) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 4:59 PM Author: At-the-ready Juggernaut Theater deterrence is not even the main consideration here, let alone the only consideration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11002826) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:14 AM Author: Impertinent state Awesome but that judge is a real douche (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000402) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:19 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo I'm surprised she didn't burn herself or others. I imagine setting someone on fire isn't as easy as the movies make it out to be, she probably splashed petrol all over herself and maybe a few others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000417) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:27 AM Author: silver kitchen Yeah. The thing I was most concerned about was the fact that she did it at other people's risk on someone else's property. Had she have injured other people, I would have found criminal liability appropriate. Civil liability, too. And certainly the owner of the bar has a claim against her.
I just don't think she should be punished for killing the man who raped her 13 year old daughter. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:29 AM Author: erotic tan stage water buffalo I don't think she could have done it after serious thought. Seems like she did it in a blind rage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000475) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: Idiotic heaven faggot firefighter which, again, is not an excuse, although it might be a mitigating factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000502) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:27 AM Author: well-lubricated spot there IS justice in THIS world! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000464) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:31 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested When cross-examined on whether the her punishment fit the crime, the mother swiftly replied, "Yes, he deserved to die! I hope he [continues to] burn in Hell!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000494) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:33 AM Author: well-lubricated spot not-so-subtle SL Jackson trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000507) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:33 AM Author: Lime Chapel *cracks open an ice-cold refreshing sam jackson to celebrate her upcoming acquittal* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000512) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:37 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested THE MOTHERFUCKING SHARK ATE ME. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000555) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: Cyan business firm preventive strike Now imagine she was white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000573) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: silver kitchen Hell, TITCR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000611) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: aggressive arousing tattoo generalized bond If I was prosecuting this case, I would charge her, but only for starting a fire in a crowded building, perhaps reckless endangerment and a low degree arson charge. I would accept a plea of guilty by reason of insanity and make sure she gets the psychological assistance she needs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000574) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 11:47 AM Author: Cracking low-t trust fund what she did was perfectly consistent with a sane mental state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000628) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:02 PM Author: aggressive arousing tattoo generalized bond I agree, but from the article, it sounds like she could use some psychological help. Thus, by pleading guilty by reason of insanity, she would get the assitance she most likely needs while avoiding jail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000738) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:07 PM Author: silver kitchen In agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000767) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:08 PM Author: Bistre hateful house I find it highly suspect that he provoked her and then right after she just happened to have all that stuff to get back at him. I think she was planning this from day 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000780) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: Snowy fear-inspiring menage national security agency how hard is it to find a bottle of petrol and a match? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000861) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:08 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested Not to absolve her of her crime, but I think it's fair to point out the crime occurred in Spain, which has such a machismo culture as well and deep and long tradition of misogyny. During Franco's reign just a few decades ago, for example, women were legally subservient to their husbands. And while Spain has certainly made strides towards closing the gender gap in government and creating discrimination laws, I think it'll be a while Spanish culture accepts the notion of women as equals.
So perhaps the mother understood her daughter couldn't receive equitable justice in the courts. The rapist's sentence was already reduce to from 13 years to 9 years and who knows if he would be out on parole in as little as 3 years. I don't think I could accept that as fair justice if it were my daughter. I'm just saying perhaps that vigilante justice ought to be viewed through the prism of Spanish culture and the shortcomings of the Spanish legal system |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 5:45 PM Author: Sinister private investor You seem mildly deluded in your thinking that inequality equals rape. Less feminist pamphlet reading and more actual thinking will serve you well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11003013) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 6:29 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested That's not at all what I implied. I was simply stating that in a society with deeply rooted gender equality, it's hard to imagine that justice prevails against rapist when the rape victim is a woman. Because if you still believe woman are subservient to men, you're probably more inclined to believe rape is no big thing. So the judge, jury, prosecutor, etc. might all be susceptible to that mentality and thus more inclined to give the rapist a slap on the wrist.
And 9 years is pretty much a slap on the wrist, so it's no wonder the mom had to take justice into her own hands. |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 12:23 PM Author: Snowy fear-inspiring menage national security agency Probably not the first time a guy felt a burning sensation after fucking her daughter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11000877) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 5:04 PM Author: Thriller jet-lagged parlour black woman Oh, man. That's funny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11002842) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 4:31 PM Author: Garnet institution That bitch is a stone cold alpha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11002714) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 5:54 PM Author: Sinister private investor 179 to mom. One point deduction for not taunting him with a bucket of water as he was burning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11003073) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 6:18 PM Author: Chrome racy space subtle anti-69 trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11003212) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 6:22 PM Author: twisted trip sanctuary death wish true justice would be her getting off, just as he did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#11003245) |
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Date: February 26th, 2009 6:30 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Nursing Home Idea He Suggested To be fair, he actually got off twice...
*Goes to hell* |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 10:32 AM Author: Cyan business firm preventive strike yah! my favorite post of mine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#15826784) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: Bull Headed Milk Home a 69 year old man should be allowed to rape a girl of appropriate age, but 13 is too young (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=940354&forum_id=2#15827385) |
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