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Mamdani ending gifted & talented programs across all public schools

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15509309/nyc-mayor-...
Hot sandwich wagecucks
  01/29/26
Craziest part about a decision like this is that it is made ...
indecent boiling water
  01/29/26
yea man like what's the point man? we're just like hamsters ...
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  01/29/26
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supple alpha
  01/29/26
wow sounds like you dont have an actual rebuttal to the crue...
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  01/29/26
yes I do and I already stated it above
smoky curious orchestra pit
  01/29/26
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impressive piazza
  01/29/26
Your hope, with kids, is that their fate will be better than...
shaky frozen locus halford
  01/29/26
I know and was being somewhat facetious to point out how dum...
indecent boiling water
  01/29/26
your hope should be that all kids end up the same, bigot.
Territorial gaping
  01/29/26
yes, your last paragraph is 180-ily on point
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godawful kitchen
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Thank you for getting it. As much as it can sound like stone...
indecent boiling water
  01/29/26
there is just very little meaning in devoting one's entire w...
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Unless you are 50+, you can always make some changes (even i...
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supple alpha
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your kid is going to WUSTL and Carbozo Law
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Duh
impressive piazza
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Just leave and go to a normal place.
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he's pushing it to 3rd grade rather than kindergarten. i ...
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It does reallocate the resources away from PMC striver (and ...
Harsh Floppy Deer Antler Affirmative Action
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no need to read at 3rd grade level in KG. parents teaching t...
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  01/29/26
(pmtp casually inserting himself in the “intellectuall...
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"Gifted" in NYC is just a way to keep your kid in ...
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  01/29/26
Gifted where i grew up meant 85% white asian or jew and now ...
godawful kitchen
  01/29/26
no problem with this. he's moving entry to the third grade.
exhilarant orchid theater stage
  01/29/26
showing your true colors
godawful kitchen
  01/29/26
as are you, my retarded friend.
exhilarant orchid theater stage
  01/29/26
Won't they just keep moving the age?
Passionate new version
  01/29/26
Exactly. This is a Trojan Horse. "Look guys it's just 3...
indecent boiling water
  01/29/26
maybe, maybe not. they can only alienate people to a certain...
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if there wasn't a lib hatred of gifted and talented, i'd agr...
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Gifted kindergarten is pretty retarded. Even districts with ...
disturbing locale
  01/29/26
nah i tested out in 1st grade away from the goy filth into a...
godawful kitchen
  01/29/26
so, you were 1-2yrs younger than everyone else in your class...
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Again, "gifted" in NYC is just a way for whites an...
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godawful kitchen
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lol no one will move over this, they will just superstudy at...
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190 BORNE OF IGNORANCE
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indecent boiling water
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cr. and you don't even have to analyze why shitlibs say one ...
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btw dindus will be the first to admit this. that's what's so...
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I think there is still some subset of shitlib that thinks th...
indecent boiling water
  01/29/26
ofs. there's definitely plenty that sincerely believe that t...
Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut
  01/29/26
Yeah, PM has zero idea what is he talking about. They act...
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  01/29/26
Gifted program would remain at the same schools for 3-5. ...
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"Just send your kid to an 80% black school for 3 years ...
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or just move to a different neighborhood. my zoned school...
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It’s ok not to know how the system in New York City wo...
Talented business firm mood
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I freely admit I can’t speak to specifics about NYC pu...
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there aren't even tests now, you basically just have to opt ...
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On the contrary, gifted testing in kindergarten makes the mo...
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godawful kitchen
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disagree. small kids are too flighty. the predictive power o...
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Early School (6–9 yrs): High Stability & Predictab...
godawful kitchen
  01/29/26
great. i’ll reconsider if they push back starting kind...
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cr I was retarded when I was a kid and I'm retarded now
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sable heady theater
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people with kids who still live in NYC after having kids are...
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cr. and this is doubly true for those who rely on the public...
Diverse hilarious indian lodge
  01/29/26
cr the Brazilification of USA is well on its way
godawful kitchen
  01/29/26
eh, it's fine at these ages, gets tough after 2nd/3rd grade ...
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  01/31/26
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  01/29/26
This weirdly is good policy. Normal people should be discour...
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bat shit crazy sticky plaza
  01/29/26
What a racist piece of shit
Thriller Library Prole
  01/29/26
Does this even matter? All the kids I knew of who were in &l...
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  01/29/26
I think 99% of this bort was in gifted and talented, so good...
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  01/29/26
what about an academically and athletically gifted kid? obvi...
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I was in these & it was useless, they just let us play o...
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yeah now imagine playing on computers with blacks
sable heady theater
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never lived anywhere with blacks
Titillating Violent Party Of The First Part Spot
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(Not a New York kindgergartener)
sable heady theater
  01/29/26
i assumed from the poast count that he was eliminating the p...
big bossy parlour quadroon
  01/29/26
the school system hasn't changed in 200 years benzo what mor...
sable heady theater
  01/29/26
im just saying, maybe wait and see how a kid does with turni...
big bossy parlour quadroon
  01/29/26
No
sable heady theater
  01/29/26
clearly not having a gifted program available would have aff...
big bossy parlour quadroon
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ESL?
sable heady theater
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No he isn’t lol. Libs don’t like that the progra...
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  01/29/26
That Carhartt is tough.
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why did i make an offhand comment in this thread it's goi...
Demanding whorehouse
  01/29/26
he wants jihad. He'll release the prisoners who have been in...
Razzle native
  01/29/26
Good. NY voted for this and more
Haunting insane foreskin set
  01/29/26
Anyone who was in the g&t program as a kid knows this is...
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Welcome to the Dindu Thunderdome
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g&t is like a weekly 1 hour pullout class where you talk...
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  01/30/26
we are talking here about a separate, full day program. it'...
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  01/31/26
Please move to park slope and report back. Thx
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  01/29/26
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This doesn't affect conservatives. Why do they even pretend ...
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  01/29/26
this and subsequent policies like it will be a bigger cataly...
wine house
  01/29/26
People commenting ITT seem to have no recent experience with...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
  01/30/26
the whole point of the program is to function as a last acce...
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  01/30/26
"Yes, there are better teachers and fewer troublemakers...
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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: Hot sandwich wagecucks

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15509309/nyc-mayor-zohran-mamdani-axe-gifted-program.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630186)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:12 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

Craziest part about a decision like this is that it is made entirely because we don't have an exact proportionate distribution of races and ethnicities across these programs (and other upper strata segments of society.)

So libs would rather punish smart kids from all backgrounds, including the races and ethnicities they purport to help, because seeing too many white and asian kids in gifted programs relative to brown and black kids makes them mad at reality.

I am starting to think that the actual solution to this is to just forego school altogether. Like what is the actual point. If you have a smart kid but don't have the funds to go private, your kid will now be saddled with 85 IQ troublemakers in their classes that disrupt everything and force every kid to move at a slower pace.

But again, what is even the point. Oh wow my kid goes to school so he can graduate one day and go to a good college and then get a good job to send his kid to school so he can graduate and go to a good college...and on and on and on. All to effectively secure a spot in the professional world where you look at screens all day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630193)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:19 PM
Author: smoky curious orchestra pit

yea man like what's the point man? we're just like hamsters on a wheel man spinning round and round for some cheese man

*rips bong*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630211)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:29 PM
Author: supple alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630244)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: appetizing burgundy senate kitty

wow sounds like you dont have an actual rebuttal to the cruel hamsteric nature of reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630331)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:10 PM
Author: smoky curious orchestra pit

yes I do and I already stated it above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630406)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:51 PM
Author: impressive piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630602)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:21 PM
Author: shaky frozen locus halford

Your hope, with kids, is that their fate will be better than yours. There might not be a lot of support for that hope, but that is the nature of hope. In short it is basic instinct of a parent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630216)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:24 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

I know and was being somewhat facetious to point out how dumb it is to basically punish smart kids from poor or normal families.

Best bet for people is to just leave NYC. Though this should have been done several years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630231)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:43 PM
Author: Territorial gaping

your hope should be that all kids end up the same, bigot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630553)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:24 PM
Author: Crystalline Motley Becky Trust Fund

yes, your last paragraph is 180-ily on point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630232)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:32 PM
Author: godawful kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630255)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

Thank you for getting it. As much as it can sound like stoner talk, I find this sort of "play it out to its total end" thinking can reveal absurdities that should be avoided.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630266)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:59 PM
Author: Crystalline Motley Becky Trust Fund

there is just very little meaning in devoting one's entire working life, which makes up the majority of one's overall life, to enriching corporations and that serve them. and there is no other purpose served by "white collar" work, at any level. if you feel differently, i'd love to hear your thoughts.

it's too late for us, but I want something better for our kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630378)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:44 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

Unless you are 50+, you can always make some changes (even incrementally.)

I encourage as many people as possible to work independently at least for some portion of their life. Assuming they can handle the responsibility that comes with it. The world would change dramatically IMO if a larger share of the population worked for themselves, if only because it would help more people understand the unbelievable tax burden we all face.

Note I do not mean as Uber drivers or whatever BS serf work. Nor do I just mean "go do shitlaw," there are a lot of roles that can be done independently.

If that isn't possible, I recommend people try to get into roles where they really "feel" the impact of their work (through meaningfully variable comp, as one example) Not just "oops I missed a comma so I need to stay late to fix it."

Increasingly I think "the professions" (law, consulting, finance, medicine) will become much worse within institutions, but much more amenable to people who can work effectively on their own. The more that technology eats at these jobs, the more performative they will become (inside institutions.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630561)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:34 PM
Author: Translucent Base Weed Whacker

No shit, wage slaves are always and everywhere fukt 4 lyfe, bears shit in the woods etc. Can't believe you guys have to "realize" this every year for 20 straight years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631065)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: Crystalline Motley Becky Trust Fund

yeah, but, did you know that I'm homosexually gay with men's penis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631349)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:30 PM
Author: supple alpha

Lol is this “im done here” the poster? Your overrated ruminations never disappoint

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630248)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:41 PM
Author: wild mind-boggling casino

your kid is going to WUSTL and Carbozo Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630544)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:51 PM
Author: impressive piazza

Duh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630604)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: maroon angry crotch stage

Just leave and go to a normal place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631641)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:43 AM
Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person

CR, it's time to resurrect the squire apprenticeship system. Or dare I say esquire system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632452)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:20 PM
Author: vivacious nudist site

he's pushing it to 3rd grade rather than kindergarten.

i don't think this is the end of the world. a lot of countries focus on play rather than academic learning until age 7 or so. i do think you can bore extremely gifted (top 0.01%) kids this way but perhaps they can skip K or 1st grade if they need to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630213)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:26 PM
Author: Harsh Floppy Deer Antler Affirmative Action

It does reallocate the resources away from PMC striver (and Asian generally) children who have parents that push them in preschool, so they come into KG reading on a 3rd grade level. But the result is likely to be even more Asians (who will just keep going hard and have their poor children doing calculus in the summer between 2nd and 3rd grade).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630236)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:31 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

no need to read at 3rd grade level in KG. parents teaching their kids calculus that early are doing them a disservice even if they get into gifted program. let them be kids, optimizing for intellect alone is retarded as our own experience shows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630252)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:41 PM
Author: Diverse hilarious indian lodge

(pmtp casually inserting himself in the “intellectually gifted” set)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630297)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:31 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

"Gifted" in NYC is just a way to keep your kid in a class with mostly whites and Asians. If they do this, people will just move to the suburbs instead of sending their kid into the "regular" kindergarten class with Darnell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630253)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:32 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

Gifted where i grew up meant 85% white asian or jew and now it means 70% nigger sewage according to latest public data

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630260)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

no problem with this. he's moving entry to the third grade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630220)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:33 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

showing your true colors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630263)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

as are you, my retarded friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630267)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:48 PM
Author: Passionate new version

Won't they just keep moving the age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630336)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:53 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

Exactly. This is a Trojan Horse. "Look guys it's just 3rd grade..." quietly turns to "it's only for high school" and eventually "it was structural racism so it's over."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630358)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:53 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

maybe, maybe not. they can only alienate people to a certain point and the district has its own self-interest to consider, gifted kids have higher test scores and raise the bar for others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630359)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:58 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:59 PM
Author: Sooty excitant property

if there wasn't a lib hatred of gifted and talented, i'd agree with you. but i don't trust him or his aides.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631357)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: disturbing locale

Gifted kindergarten is pretty retarded. Even districts with $$$$ don’t always offer it because all 5-year-olds need to learn some basic shit, it’s hard to accurately test kids at this age, and you can always give bigger books to the ones who learn to read first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630268)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:36 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

nah i tested out in 1st grade away from the goy filth into a new school and i recall it being a huge difference obv depends on school - IQ is discernible by age 5 iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630274)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:22 PM
Author: Chestnut aphrodisiac trailer park

so, you were 1-2yrs younger than everyone else in your class, did you make any varsity sports?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631003)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:37 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

Again, "gifted" in NYC is just a way for whites and Asians to avoid niggaz and avoid having to pay $60k/yr for private or move to the suburbs, by getting a reasonable score on some standardized test. It's not some selection of super geniuses here. If they get rid of it, they lose a subset of the people who pay actual taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630275)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:38 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

still worth it and im sure being around violent animal-like nigger youth will bring any races IQ down on a long enough timeline



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630283)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:39 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

lol no one will move over this, they will just superstudy at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630285)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

They absolutely will (and often already do) - it's the whole reason these gifted programs were put in in the first place, to try to retain people who were moving to the suburbs for kindergarten.

Superstudying at home doesn't do anything to change the demographics of your kid's class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630326)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:51 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

yeah when homes cost $50k. multitude of considerations when moving--jobs, affordability, community. sure edge cases might move, others will either suck it up, superstudy, or do private for K-2 and then transition. also, while people are inherently prejudiced not everyone is as racist as you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630351)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:10 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

The main reason people with kids move is for "good schools" which means avoiding the dindu thunderdome. People do this everywhere in America, and it's extremely common.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630404)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:25 PM
Author: sable heady theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631013)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:35 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

You literally just make things up as you go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631074)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut

go visit your local dindu thunderdome and report that.

im a product of the thunderdome and have many lifelong dindu friends. there is no expense or life change i wouldn't make to avoid sending my kids there. the most woke, antiracist shitlibs would never send their children there. you don't understand how bad it is if you think it's just racism. dindus don't send their kids there either if they can help it. no one that has stepped for in one would.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631242)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: sable heady theater

hair fully blown back

strong words coming from you. no fence sitting here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631244)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:30 PM
Author: Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut

this is one issue where no contrary opinion is possible unless its borne of ignorance. all you have to do look at where bleeding heart shitlibs that spend their weekends attending BLM protests wearing chains send their kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631253)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:33 PM
Author: sable heady theater

190

BORNE OF IGNORANCE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631265)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:42 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

It is incomprehensible to me that someone would post on XO and not agree with your perspective here.

All of the shitlib screeching about this stuff comes from them suffering cognitive dissonance between their beliefs / desires and reality. How this is even up for debate on XO of all places is beyond me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631300)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:45 PM
Author: Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut

cr. and you don't even have to analyze why shitlibs say one thing and do the other. all you have to do is spend 5 minutes in one. or just watch season 4 of the wire. for fucks sake, just look at the first thing ascended ghetto dindus do: they LEAVE THE GHETTO AND DINDU THUNDERDOME!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631323)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:53 PM
Author: sable heady theater

Why does Oprah live in Montecito? Why did Kobe live in Newport Coast? It's not rocket science.

Oprah > Montecito, Maui. Strangely not hanging out in Inglewood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631341)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut

btw dindus will be the first to admit this. that's what's so funny about shitlibs and PM attributing it to racism. do they think dindus are so stupid that they don't *KNOW* shit sucks in the ghetto and the dindu thunderdome? they know it better than anyone else!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631373)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:06 PM
Author: sable heady theater

lmao cr cr

as someone who has driven through the ghetto several times at least I can honestly say it looks like it sucks as much as I imagine it does, but can't even comprehend what someone who lives there thinks

also there are thousands of youtube vids of dudes going to every hood in America and interviewing random ppl on the street and they all say you can get shot here any time lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631375)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:11 PM
Author: indecent boiling water

I think there is still some subset of shitlib that thinks these places would just be better if not for "racism." But increasingly I think it's just shitlibs dealing with mass cognitive dissonance by yelling at people who speak the actual truth.

Shit is Plato's Cave in real life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631382)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:15 PM
Author: Cerebral Pea-brained Laser Beams Juggernaut

ofs. there's definitely plenty that sincerely believe that the root cause is racism, white supremacy, or whateverthefuck. but they're not ignorant to the situation being what it is -- the dindu thunderdome is shit pure shit, and regardless of why that is no caring parent is sending their kid there if they can help it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631386)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:38 PM
Author: Talented business firm mood

Yeah, PM has zero idea what is he talking about.

They actually locate a lot of the gifted programs in shitty neighborhood schools so the “good schools” aren’t overcrowded. Obviously the gifted kids and local kids don’t interact but the schools are at least “diverse on paper.” This will empty out the shitty schools which means the next step is to abolish “good” neighborhood schools and have kids sent all over the place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630521)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:28 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

Gifted program would remain at the same schools for 3-5.

All you would have to do to avoid "emptying out" the earlier grades is give a bump to people that attended schools within a certain radius of gifted program, provided test results were satisfactory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631026)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:34 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

"Just send your kid to an 80% black school for 3 years and then we'll give you a bump!" lmao, no they're moving to Westchester/LI/NJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631062)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:34 PM
Author: sable heady theater

Imagine negotiating with these terrorists lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631066)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:35 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

Or privates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631070)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:10 PM
Author: Avocado exciting preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631380)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 9:28 PM
Author: awkward sick turdskin menage

or just move to a different neighborhood.

my zoned school doesn't have a G&T program, but my (shittier) second choice for elementary does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631940)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 4:47 PM
Author: Talented business firm mood

It’s ok not to know how the system in New York City works.

These “reforms” are only popular with childless libs, a decent number of which went to private elemenary school (like Hizzoner!)

My kid went to a school where the majority of the zone students were in a housing project. They had two full classes of g and t kids and two classes of projects kids. The school would literally be half empty without them.

NOTE: a lot of the projects kids with parents who have a fuck were attending charter schools like success academy which is also on the lib shit list but g and t stuff is lower hanging fruit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631331)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: exhilarant orchid theater stage

I freely admit I can’t speak to specifics about NYC public schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631669)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:31 PM
Author: sable heady theater

The ENTIRE POINT of third world race Communism is a humiliation ritual where whites and their Asian allies pay penance for colonialism. Everything is downwind of that. ParaMo is a third worldist who hates America, views Jews as white European invaders, he's not smart and his kids aren't smart, and his idea of a good time is to make your white children go to school with Jamal and watch him make outburst after outburst while he and his run some shitty scam. QED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631046)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:35 PM
Author: Bateful theatre feces

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631071)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:25 PM
Author: sable heady theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631011)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 9:25 PM
Author: awkward sick turdskin menage

there aren't even tests now, you basically just have to opt for it and get a "teacher recommendation"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631924)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:44 PM
Author: Arrogant background story church building

On the contrary, gifted testing in kindergarten makes the most sense. It tests what God gave you instead of any learning.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630317)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: godawful kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630327)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:47 PM
Author: Diverse hilarious indian lodge

disagree. small kids are too flighty. the predictive power of tests at that age is notably limited with respect to adolescent/adult iq.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630333)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:50 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

Early School (6–9 yrs): High Stability & Predictability

This is the "sweet spot" for initial reliable testing. By age 7, correlations with adult IQ jump significantly ($r = 0.70$ or higher).

The "Stability" vs. "Change" Paradox

It is important to distinguish between absolute and relative scores:

Relative IQ: This is your rank compared to peers. If you are in the 90th percentile at age 11, you will very likely be in the 90th percentile at age 80. This is what we mean when we say IQ is "stable."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630348)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:53 PM
Author: Diverse hilarious indian lodge

great. i’ll reconsider if they push back starting kindergarten to age 7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630356)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: wild mind-boggling casino

cr I was retarded when I was a kid and I'm retarded now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630575)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:38 PM
Author: godawful kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630825)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:38 PM
Author: magical federal pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631084)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:39 PM
Author: sable heady theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631087)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:47 PM
Author: Demanding whorehouse

people with kids who still live in NYC after having kids are truly delusional and insane

wtf are you doing lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630334)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:49 PM
Author: Diverse hilarious indian lodge

cr. and this is doubly true for those who rely on the public school system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630340)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:52 PM
Author: godawful kitchen

cr

the Brazilification of USA is well on its way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630353)



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Date: January 31st, 2026 1:44 PM
Author: dha tux ( )

eh, it's fine at these ages, gets tough after 2nd/3rd grade or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49635980)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 12:50 PM
Author: Histrionic dilemma

Blue Smoke crying into her rehab clinic pillow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630345)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: smoky curious orchestra pit

This weirdly is good policy. Normal people should be discouraged from raising kids in NYC and the whole urban baby lifestyle shit should go away once and for all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630418)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: insanely creepy jewess market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632088)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:28 PM
Author: bat shit crazy sticky plaza

tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630477)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: Thriller Library Prole

What a racist piece of shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630570)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:01 PM
Author: medicated police squad stag film

Does this even matter? All the kids I knew of who were in “gifted & talented” growing up were stupid and ghetto as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49630933)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:36 PM
Author: magical federal pit

I think 99% of this bort was in gifted and talented, so good point

That said, anyone sending their kid to public school instead of private school deserves this outcome

Public school is not a place for smart kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631077)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:03 PM
Author: Crystalline Motley Becky Trust Fund

what about an academically and athletically gifted kid? obvious athletics wins out over academics, so you want that kid in the big suburban public where he (or zhe) can kick ass all over the field

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631367)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:04 PM
Author: Avocado exciting preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631370)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:02 PM
Author: Titillating Violent Party Of The First Part Spot

I was in these & it was useless, they just let us play on computers. It was the same retard teachers from the other classes. It's not like we were devouring Descartes. When I moved to a new school in 7th grade I got out of it so I could live as a jock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631362)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:04 PM
Author: sable heady theater

yeah now imagine playing on computers with blacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631371)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:06 PM
Author: Titillating Violent Party Of The First Part Spot

never lived anywhere with blacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631376)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:07 PM
Author: sable heady theater

(Not a New York kindgergartener)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631377)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:04 PM
Author: big bossy parlour quadroon

i assumed from the poast count that he was eliminating the program altogether, not just scrapping some himmler phrenology eugenics bullshit. he's delaying the program for a few years until more academic performance data about prospective students is available.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631369)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: sable heady theater

the school system hasn't changed in 200 years benzo what more do we need to know?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631372)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:11 PM
Author: big bossy parlour quadroon

im just saying, maybe wait and see how a kid does with turning in his homework and shit before placing him in a gifted program

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631381)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:20 PM
Author: sable heady theater

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631391)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:24 PM
Author: big bossy parlour quadroon

clearly not having a gifted program available would have affected you 🤣

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631403)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:27 PM
Author: sable heady theater

ESL?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631410)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 7:22 PM
Author: Talented business firm mood

No he isn’t lol. Libs don’t like that the program is white/azn.

SOURCE: they also hate the high school entrance exam for the same reason except they can’t get rid of that because it’s state law.

Anyway, this is just daily mail slop recycling news from October so I’m curious if it actually happens. Diblasio twiddled his thumbs on it for 7 years because it’s only really popular with activists and as I noted above eliminating the programs are more complicated than some childless shitlennial snapping their fingers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631612)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:22 PM
Author: Marvelous bearded french chef

That Carhartt is tough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631399)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:23 PM
Author: Demanding whorehouse

why did i make an offhand comment in this thread

it's going to be stuck in my Poasted In forever now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631402)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:31 PM
Author: Razzle native

he wants jihad. He'll release the prisoners who have been indoctrinated with Islam and form a militia. There will be an uprising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631418)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 6:33 PM
Author: Haunting insane foreskin set

Good. NY voted for this and more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631535)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 7:30 PM
Author: Cerise concupiscible pervert

Anyone who was in the g&t program as a kid knows this is a good thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631628)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 9:26 PM
Author: Autistic Location Bbw

Welcome to the Dindu Thunderdome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49631928)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 1:18 PM
Author: dupa

g&t is like a weekly 1 hour pullout class where you talk about imagination and bullshit. it's not a totally separate full day program.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49633217)



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Date: January 31st, 2026 1:51 PM
Author: dha tux ( )

we are talking here about a separate, full day program. it's not a supplement or anything, but a completely different track/class at school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49636003)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:31 PM
Author: Talented business firm mood

Please move to park slope and report back. Thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632076)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:34 PM
Author: Yellow mischievous temple

PARALEGAL MOHAMMAD SUCKS DOG DICK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632089)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:36 PM
Author: geriatric garnet hall

This doesn't affect conservatives. Why do they even pretend to care?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632102)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:49 PM
Author: wine house

this and subsequent policies like it will be a bigger catalyst for capital / white flight than any tax policies he concocts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632128)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

People commenting ITT seem to have no recent experience with NYC public schools.

They got rid of the test for admission because it's RAYCISS. Now it's based on a teacher referral (which they give to any white or asian parent who asks) and a lottery entry. Then, when you get in, it's the same curriculum as public school, just one year ahead. That's it. Yes, there are better teachers and fewer troublemakers disrupting class, but it's not a crazy difference. The schools accept kids from all 5 boroughs and (except the one on the LES) all are located within buildings that house other schools. So there are still some LeTraviuses wandering around your kid's building.

This is totally different from the magnet high schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632448)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:46 AM
Author: ataraxic

the whole point of the program is to function as a last accessible / affordable lifeline for working families to get their kids out of classrooms with latravius even if they can't manage to get their kids into a private or magnet school or anything else. nobody honest with themselves thinks they're getting their kids into the harvard of k-6, at most it's for the parents' ego. and even (and especially) if they are delusional about it, stuff like this is still a serious catalyst for flight out of nyc, parents care about this shit way more than 1-2 percentage points of income tax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632458)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 9:29 AM
Author: Ass Sunstein



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49632569)



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Date: January 31st, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: dha tux ( )

"Yes, there are better teachers and fewer troublemakers disrupting class, but it's not a crazy difference."

The classes are WILDLY different, at least demographically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828336&forum_id=2Elisa#49636016)