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Noone with an IQ over 107 thinks psychedelics are "just hallucinogens"
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:25 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon Or that what they are causing are just "hallucinations", completely imagined from inside the skull with no outside connection to reality. The ones higher than that who claim it are just pretending to sound skeptical, but no one above mid-wit level seriously believes this. It doesn't survive even the slightest amount of scrutiny. Hallucination relative to what? By their logic baseline human perceptions are also hallucination (which is true if you want to call them both hallucinations but you can't just say one and not the other) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221195) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 8:28 AM Author: Senior Ethics Official Ya for any one with an ounce or two of introspection it quickly becums apparent it works by rewiring the brain. This can be both good and bad however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221201) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:31 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon Right but my point is that we don't have access to the underlying "reality" to begin with, our perceptions are evolutionarily tuned to track banana piles and mates owed not some ultimate reality. so the hallucinogen is just like tuning a limited instrument to a different setting. the idea that baseline perception is "correct" but hallucinogen tuned perception is "incorrect" is low iq as FUARK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221205) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:42 AM Author: Senior Ethics Official Idk about that. Pretty sure my carpet doesnt actually breathe dood in any meaningful or helpful sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221228) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:49 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon Not breathing in the sense that a human breathes, although sure I get you mean it as metaphor. Look the sober view you have about the "carpet" is not accurate in terms of its physics either, its a compression based on scale, energy and information processing limits. Under psychedlics the compression algorithm your brain is running loosens and you see other parts of the dynamics--which are also not perfect representations--thats the point both modes are different relations between your brain physics and world physics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221249) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:29 AM Author: jafar (halloween) Please individuate for the good of the whole BoB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221202) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:37 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon yeah thats the thing right? a psychedelic offers both ego dissolution and access to collective intelligence, but also bob like individuation. perfect for surviving a hostile alien intelligence seeking to destroy it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221220) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:59 AM Author: jafar (halloween) access to collective intelligence "" really only refers to the Mushroom and the mycelium, probably natural Ayahuasca as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221271) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:31 AM Author: hes doing great It doesn't survive even the slightest amount of scrutiny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221206) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:38 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon yes. the psychedelic bro is doing great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221221) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:41 AM Author: A Real Life Male Model i only did them when I was young and degenerate.
biggest takeaway was that the drug effects (i did mushrooms and lsd) just resembled other times when I was sober but undergoing unique brain functioning.
Some things the drugs felt like:
liminal space of waking up, being half asleep half awake being dizzy very early childhood, when I would "see things"
The last one in particular interests me and I think its fairly common. As a small child I could look at a truck grill, for example, and easily "see" the face. The headlights and the bumper obviously, but the truck not only had a face, the face had a mood. Or some other inanimate object might have a mood... be an angry tree, or a friendly mailbox, etc.
Nonscientifically, I just suppose that identifying human and animal faces and comprehending the emotions and intent of those faces is clearly an evo skill, and takes some years for young children to master. Thus kids throw wide cognitive nets as they try out these skills, and come away with strange readings like "that car is sad, that car is angry, that building is looking at me", etc.
So to OP's point, Im agnostic on whether halluc drugs connect us to something *outside*, but I definitely think they disassemble some cognitive structures we build in the background since infancy, and can almost feel like comforting regression. I remember feeling like "oh I recognize this experience, this is from childhood, when I was warm and safe and excited" etc |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:43 AM Author: Senior Ethics Official Well put (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221229) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon It's not really that I'm saying it's "connecting us to something *outside*". its that sober experience and psychedelic experince are two different relational couplings between brain physics and world physics. That is the only honest and neutral position. The "its just hallucination" and "its connecting us to real reality" positions are both mysticism. and its amazing so many scientists still run with the hallucination position its extremely primitive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221234) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: The Last Liberal (🧐) So you're saying I really did enter an infinite portal to hell? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221259) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 9:53 AM Author: potluck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221427) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 9:01 AM Author: jafar (halloween) Science deals in baselines and repetition and we should keep it that way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221277) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: The Barrister of Babylon science *already* doesn't deal only in baselines and reptition. the entire apparatus of "baseline" is itself a construction--a chimp standardization of which sensory states count as real and which get dismissed as noise.
and repetition is not an issue here either. the psychedelic state *is* repeatable. same molecule, same dose, same time window, same percpetual shifts across subjects. |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: jafar (halloween) 200 IUs to this poa (imperial unit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767407&forum_id=2Elisa#49221690) |