https://x.com/fancifiction/status/1724250941484892561?s=46&t=mEouf83GqBUgZTVRh6xPqg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053173)

https://instagram.com/courtroomchef

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053201)

allegedly they were at the airport, going to Israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053323)

https://twitter.com/angenette5/status/1724266075951387026

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053337)

I wonder if her attempt to flee accelerated this. All eyes on xo lurker Wendi…..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053905)

https://twitter.com/JeffBurlew/status/1724405354623119682

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053917)

I still believe they planned to scoop Donna and Wendi simultaneously, but this mad flight affected their timeline.

Wendi's having a rough and rainy day today in Miami

also, what idiot facing indictment buys a one-way ticket? At least make round trip plans to somewhere the fuzz believes they can track you, like the Bahamas, and then launch from there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47053931)

'I believe I am going to be charged with a crime. I am innocent of that crime, but I don't want the risk of being jailed, so I am going to leave the jurisdiction to avoid being apprehended.'

State: "Ah that's evidence you are guilty of the underlying act!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054925)

this is but one example of this.

the state can argue whatever they want. the defendant is welcome to testify or not testify and explain himself. and the jury gets to decide if this does tend to prove guilt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054948)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054307)

https://youtu.be/hG4lNi5sMHk?si=UvuOO8Kp93V8zcE6

Donna's TTT lawyer: https://tachebronis.com/marissel-descalzo/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054332)

mindy had her own legal trouble kicking down a landlord's door

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054344)

Tally State Attorney said he consulted with LE about procedures in extraditing from Nam (or Dubai which was the layover). They advised its arduous so he ordered arrest.

Would like to know the steps. How long ago was the ticket purchased? Why did they wait a week after Charlie's conviction? Smart move would be to flee same day, amid the disorganization. Did they purchase with credit card? Are all financial transactions of heretofore unindicted co-conspirators tracked? How prompt is the notification? Could they have bought and escaped if same day?

Or was there a passport flag put in place ages ago? Probably, but SA comment indicates he had enough time to make considerations, consult LE, make a decision... suggesting he knew for a time.

Wonder how many criminals actually succeed at buying ticket, boarding flight, clearing foreign customs, and disappearing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054338)

If you're going to flee you have to act like you mean it! She also spent months planning escape from jail while on a medical visit and nearly got away but was too slow on foot for LE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054420)

purely as a hypothetical matter suppose you believe LE is itching to arrest you and you decide to leave for a country where extradition will be difficult or impossible for LE.

what do you do if you assume they are tracking your bank and credit card usage? is there a way to get out of the US on the sly? and can they then just freeze your money?

i'd appreciate anyone's informed speculation that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054465)

Jump on a cargo ship.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054641)

dont know the answers to most, but what i do know the US has the names of pax and passport info on any flight going out the country. why do you think there's no exit immigration in US airports? bc they already know who is getting on those planes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054874)

Wonder how much time Wendi has as a free woman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054817)

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2023/11/14/arrest-records-donna-adelson-talked-suicide-fleeing-country-jail-calls-with-son-charlie-dan-markel/71579446007/

Jail calls from after Charles Adelson’s guily verdict include multiple calls in which Donna Sue Adelson is telling Charles Adelson that she is getting things in order, creating trusts, and making sure her grandchildren are taken care of. Donna discusses plans for a suicide, but also discusses plans to flee to a non-extradition country. Donna Sue Adelson has considerable financial resources to accomplish this.

On November 7, 2023, Donna and Harvey Adelson booked flights to Vietnam with a stop in Dubai. The flight, EK0214 departs Miami, Fl. on November 13, 2023 at 8:10 p.m. to Dubai. Flight EK0392 departs Dubai on November 15, 2023 at 9:35a.m. and lands in Saigon at 7:35 pm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054829)

*watches as your son gets convicted of murder, almost entirely on evidence collected from recorded phone calls, which also implicate you*

*sit through entire trial listening to hours of phone calls*

*talk to your son on jail call, which commences with warning THIS CALL IS RECORDED*

"So son... I think I will flee the country."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054864)

"Adelson was taken into custody at Miami International Airport as she was boarding the jetway to the plane on an out-of-county warrant, meaning the charges are for a crime committed elsewhere."

https://news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-news/2023-11-14/one-week-after-her-sons-murder-conviction-donna-adelson-is-arrested

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054831)

They're sitting there thinking they're home free, and then bam! lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054916)

DA: *sniffs* mutters "prole goy"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055928)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47054917)

Edit: brilliant move by Wendi to spill her guts in Charlie's trial and gain so much immunity for it. She did it all to handcuff the state.

Legal scholars, are there any limitations on Kastigar? Can the state show they found out the information before her testimony, or if she says it is she automatically immune?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055026)

Obv example is a witness saying where the gun was thrown and then the gun is found and DNA tested.

State had their theory and sufficient evidence to get Rivera’s plea.

Then with Riveras testimony they convicted Garcia and Katie, during which trials Wendi was hostile and contributed nothing to aid the state.

Then with Katie’s testimony they convicted Charlie, during which trial Wendi contributed nothing of merit.

I think it would be hard for her to argue that anything the state uses in her prosecution came from her immunized testimony.

Furthermore, I believe they can prove she perjured herself, which probably violates the agreement and Renders immunity null. Examples of perjury - never told Lacasse certain things, never turned down Dans street day or murder, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055083)

Charlie was a pretty circumstantial case without Rivera and Katie turning on him. Wendi is even less connected and would need some eyewitness testimony that she knew about and helped plan the murder. And I'm not sure that even that testimony would be enough, Charlie would be an absolute gold-mine for cross examination.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47056558)

I also disagree that she spilled her guts. She's testified three times now and comes off as a lair every time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055119)

What she told Lacasse he testifies to. Not from her protected testimony

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055145)

She said nothing they can or will use to find new evidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055206)

Worst facts against her: checks to see if Danny will be in town days of murder, seems to frame Lacasse, drives by, constantly lies about dumb shit

I think she has reasonable doubt but woukd still like to see her indicted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055230)

i think donna is fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055305)

Her statements to Jeff: The state gained that evidence from Jeff, not Wendi, so I don't think that's covered by use/derivative use immunity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055149)

Yes, there's some really good circumstantial evidence. But for this, where the only connection to the murderers is through Donna and Charlie, I think you'd need one of the two to testify against her to feel confident about a conviction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47056563)

Imagine taking $$$ back from grandkids to spend on a losing trial over killing their dad? Lol

She will never see a jury. She’s done here and knows it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47055182)

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2023/11/21/dan-markel-case-donna-adelson-appears-in-leon-county-courthouse/71657516007/

On the day of Donna Adelson's arrest, one of Charlie Adelson's friends contacted the State Attorney's Office in Tallahassee to tell them about a conversation they had with Donna and Harvey Adelson the night before, court records show.

The couple called the friend to discuss the few travel plans they had, and to ask for advice about flights and places to stay. Harvey Adelson told them not to mention any of their plans to their son.

"This family friend has known the Adelsons for over 10 years and has never had longer than a five-minute conversation with Donna or Harvey," records say. "They found the contact very strange."

When Donna Adelson was arrested, FBI Agent Pat Sanford — who has been a key witness for the state — confiscated her phone.

"Donna attempted to pull away and prevent him from grabbing it," a search warrant affidavit states. "Donna said she was told not to give her phone to law enforcement."

Leon Circuit Judge Stephen Everett, who presided over Charlie Adelson's trial, signed a search warrant allowing investigators to search her phone for anything after June 2012 to now.

"The data being sought is any that would further the investigation into the communications and actions of Donna Adelson during the crime and of any events related to this incident before the crime occurred," records say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47082912)

Magbanua could be out completely free but she got a life sentence to protect absolutely nobody.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47083088)

But how the fuck did the Adelsons not think at all about what they were going to do if the police started sniffing around? For crying out loud, my wife and I have discussed plans for how we would flee the country and avoid extradition if we ever needed to do that, and we've never committed any crimes. They easily had the resources to buy some fake passports off the dark web and get a safe house in Cuba, but it's like they didn't even think about their plans until Charlie got convicted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5443932&forum_id=2Elisa#47084175)