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"Batman and Robin" was probably underrated
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:37 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location i hear this a bit about the darker in tone Tim Burton batman entry as well but personally i find it stuffy and relentless. devito does a good job as "the penguin" but the rest of the film is morose and glum down to the scene to scene visual DNA all have been overshadowed by the overwrought Nolan batsmen which are aging like a chicken breast left out on a grain shelf ime |
Date: May 28th, 2025 4:39 PM Author: 180 Maize Locale Marketing Idea That movie was Great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968584) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:46 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location the themed gang "wacky racers" part was pretty fun. good and visually lush set pieces throughout. "weird science" neon-lit gotham is more enjoyable and on-brand than burton's castle gormengotham ime arnold puts on a top tier schwarzenegger performance, chewing the scenery like a Cuban mafiosa chewing a cigar nub, dropping punny one liners with a clanky bravado so apropos that it could be a thematic extension of his 120 lb freeze suit uma thurman visibly has *fun* (for once; this is the only film i remember this happening in. otherwise she's all dour and straight-laced) in her role as a kitschy, purring femme fatale, spilling out like cherry-flavored KY jelly across the sets and actually being the sort of seductive that you imagine these Golden Age of Comics villainettes as being Clooney is stiff and uncomfortable (apparently his classically-proportioned---down to the bat nipples---bat-suit weighed so much that he could barely turn his head without great strain) and this adds to an Adam West sort of hamminess in his acting that probably unintentionally makes for a good send-up of the early batman serials |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:51 PM Author: 180 Maize Locale Marketing Idea Yeah, you said it - the older superhero movies were Fun
Somewhere along the way, Hollywood made the decision that superhero movies needed to be Serious and Realistic, even though this runs contrary to the whole theme of super-powered fantasy characters. Even the Marvel era movies are at their core Serious, Real Stories that are meant to be taken seriously on their own, apart from the superhero-ness
I think you're probably right that this started with the Nolan Batman movies. But did everyone else really have to copy them? Seems unfair to pin that on Nolan. Especially because those movies were pretty good in their own right. They were a new thing at the time that were enjoyable to watch |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 5:01 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location i think it and the style attached to it took off as bigly as it did because of the whole heath ledger thing, although even before batnolan there was a prevailing trend in high concept media driving towards the dark, the gritty, the bitter, etc. a real theatrical talent croaking in their career's summer revue is terrible for the art-form but great as a little ghost sticker to tack onto your production's rolls of laudations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968653) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: vivacious tanning salon chad you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, everyone involved in that film was completely embarrassed by it and wants to forget it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968617) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:55 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location Schwarzenegger and Thurman both have spoken fondly of it, with the latter pointing out in an interview that it excelled because it was made for children, like the source material it comes from. I don't really like "serious batman", not necessarily because it originates from comic pulp, but because this thematic direction leads to a slippery slope with self-serious, overdramatic dark-for-the-sake-of-dark schlock like the recentish "Punisher" show (that apparently did very well with the audiences) and the heavy-handed and thrice done-over overwroughtness of the comically self-serious and Puritan-sober Nolan entries (barring Batman Returns? which I thought was head and shoulders above the rest. i'd probably remember and rank it even better without the succeeding two attached to its corpus) i think the director, Schumacher, also later claimed it deserved better than some of the high brow critics' panning of it at the time and while he's pretty irrelevant now he's been proven at least half-right |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:54 PM Author: Buff floppy indirect expression It was bad but Batman Forever was actually even worse imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968630) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:56 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location thoughts on the Disney+ "The Punisher" series? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968636) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:57 PM Author: Buff floppy indirect expression I don't watch a damn thing Disney puts out these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968640) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 5:05 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location thoughts on Toobeam's (A Yum Brands subsidiary) Platinum PepsiPlus+ fare? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968664) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 6:15 PM Author: Buff floppy indirect expression 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48971938) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 4:39 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48974539) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:56 PM Author: 180 Maize Locale Marketing Idea You mean Better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968638) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:57 PM Author: Buff floppy indirect expression no it was dreadful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968641) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:58 PM Author: Emerald Cruise Ship It had a decent soundtrack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26_Robin_(soundtrack)
Edit: Maybe it's worse than I remembered. I do love that Underworld track though. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 5:02 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location i don't really know much about them but their hits are pretty good and catchy https://youtu.be/OUuV7nOWGM8?si=RYnORc_9ad6d32Ss |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 5:48 PM Author: exhilarant indian lodge I agree, I hate the dark Batman films. The 60s one where they run around with a bomb is far superior to all the morose broody crap. It’s supposed to be for kids, not 40 year-old Losers. If you must have the dark Batman nonsense, leave it in the comic books. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968774) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:04 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968811) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:25 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location it was refreshing at first but what should've been a single color rapidly became the only thing on the palette and so it wore itself out very quickly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48971672) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:05 PM Author: adventurous plaza useless brakes The Burton films were considered "dark" and "serious" at the time compared to the Adam West TV series and to the Christopher Reeve Superman movies.
But now they're considered silly and over the top. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:12 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location Subject: *i think it was more obvious in the early script i went back and took another look at it recently while i was exploring burton's cinematic corpus there are some "dark" elements there that even Nolan didn't touch; Batman kills more than a few people and is implied/shown to be heavily psychologically scarred both from his origin story drama and his work, Catwoman is implied to have been sexually assaulted* and becomes an unhinged BPD nutjob due to it, and DeVito's over the top Penguin performance is shaded heavily by themes and dialogue appropriate to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which i have to assume it drew inspiration from |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:15 PM Author: 180 Maize Locale Marketing Idea yeah penguin really surprised me last time i watched this movie a few years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968844) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:23 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location classic tim burton here, down to the PG appropriate gore-lite and heavy goth makeup: https://youtu.be/UcaPMGGla4o?si=UksoRjwuEWxbexYj from Edward Scissorhands, to Corpse Bride, to Ed Wood, to this---he loves his nods to Shelley. most of his dramatis personae could spit out a pained "life, though it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it" or similar without raising notice from the editors |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:06 PM Author: Lemon Self-absorbed Reading Party its was highly regarded in the gay community (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968819) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:10 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location it has camp elements, but camp is a wide camp in hollywood and doesn't really have any sexual or political guarantees attached to it the bat nipple suit was, at the time, seen as a nod to the gay fandom that follows batman though. adam west is somewhat of an early gay icon. who'd have guessed? |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: Lemon Self-absorbed Reading Party those rubber nipples should've been pierced (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968835) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:13 PM Author: Sepia stimulating location heh well we had "The Matrix" for that not long after (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730759&forum_id=2Elisa#48968840) |