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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:19 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow It is way smarter than other machines
But it is way stupider than a human.
A machine trained on human text can't be smarter than the text. It can only be dumber.
They're tricking you to isolate and demoralize you |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:20 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) AI wouldn't have made these embarrassing typos. TBF though it would have failed to reply "stfu mig" which is a huge design flaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932810) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:22 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow You're being fooled (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932815) |
Date: May 15th, 2025 8:23 AM Author: Covid was a Hoax right. same way a poker bot cant be better at poker than whoever programmed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932817) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:37 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow Please define the objective function of AGI. tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932832) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:44 AM Author: fluid just admit it bro. you want a machine thats warm and squishy and has to squint, blink and make pained facial gestures when you hand it an abstract reasoning problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932843) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932846) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow coders are now realizing they are the janitors of the elite. "if a robot can take my job, then they're basically human." No, you were never human to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932847) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:47 AM Author: fluid ok. but the question we are debating isn't about whether the machine is a chimp. its about whether its intelligent or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932853) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:50 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow its not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932860) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:00 AM Author: fluid ok. then neither are chimps, unless you are completely redefining what intelligence means to most apes. define it in terms of abstract reasoning and synthesis and the machine wins. define it in terms of gossip and feels then chimps win, but then you also have to admit that Becky is the pinnacle of ape intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932879) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:03 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow AI can't "synthesize" information in any ultimately meaningful way because it has no good reason to. the reasons they have are a jumbled mess of the competing drives, desires, and preconceptions of the humans that wrote the text it's trained on. Sampling the population to extract "the meaning of human life" around which to structure intellectual "synthesis" doesn't get you a more profound answer than the mean universal answer. That means it will never have personality, which is the core around which intellect is based. It's why personality is so forcefully beaten into the systems with RLHF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932891) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:05 AM Author: fluid yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932899) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:07 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow yeah bro, and "maths" existed before there were things to count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932904) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:09 AM Author: fluid Classic Ape maneuver to assume "maths" reduces to updating the grain pile ledger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932908) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:10 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow don't be intellectually dishonest. all maths are a product of the structure of the physical world. math doesn't exist in a separate universe. thinking it does is the fundamental flaw of autism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932913) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:22 AM Author: fluid yeah you are right bro. math that isn't tied to counting sticks, stacking bricks or weighing fruit definitely doesn't exist. and if a symbol doesn't point to a rock, tree or particle is must be meaningless. I promise complex numbers don't need to hug a rock or exist in a separate Universe to exist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932948) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:23 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow Yeah man, integrals came first and the world adapted to conform to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932951) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:31 AM Author: fluid yeah you are right bro. any math that isn't instrumentalized is poetry. thats wild epistemology. so by your logic the vast majority of category theory, homotopy type theory and non-constructive set theory aren't "real". ur cooked my guy. go touch some grass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932968) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:33 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow math is produced by the structure of the brain. it's not "out there" waiting to be discovered. this isn't that complicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932980) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: fluid you are conflating cognitive origin with ontological scope. all representation arises in brains. doesn't mean any of it necessarily does or doesn't describe reality. I never said anything was "out there" or "inside", but I appreciate the anti-cartesian projection. the brain and sensory organs evolved for survival not to perfectly describe reality. humans are operating under energy constraints, they can't process the entire spectrum of information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933001) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:47 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow I agree. Like I said, math is a product of the physical world, just like intelligence. Math has its origin in the brain, with or without descriptive power over physical processes, and intelligence has its origin in survival. If you take survival out of intelligence the whole thing crumbles as an autonomous enterprise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933007) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:04 AM Author: fluid Just because fear shaped the hardware doesn't mean fear is required to run the software. This is like saying language isn't real unless it's shouted while running from a saber-toothed tiger. you mistake origin for essence. A trait can emerge under duress, but that doesn't mean duress is necessary for its expression. Survival bias isn't an ontological limit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933061) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:08 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow Even if a rational process can exist independent of any inherent survival drive, I am skeptical that it can ever be trustworthy. And I would be reluctant to call an untrustworthy rational process "intelligent." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933074) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:21 AM Author: fluid ok. but if something has to be trustworthy to be intelligent then most humans, if any, qualify either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933099) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:32 PM Author: metaphysics is fallow by trustworthy I don't mean someone or something is never deceitful. I mean that the structure of its intelligence is transparent to the laws of the system it sits in.
Every human being's intellect at least on average has fidelity to the physical laws it developed in, which has created an intelligence highly adapted to long-term survival.
The architecture of a language model is almost arbitrary. It's attempting to simulate the self-assembly of an organism, but its fidelity is constrained by limitations of its structure (x billion parameters). It's a top-down solution that can't replicate biological intelligence except in a totally unrealistic limit.
You're going to have to do some hand-waving at quantum computing to get around this. |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK The AI can't infer basic human emotions at all. You have to tell it how people feel about something, it will never guess right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932918) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:16 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) That is to its advantage though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932927) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:41 AM Author: fluid yeah no biggie. humans definitely can compete with it or are likely much smarter. I mean 4o mini high is literally a mass market model than can code better than 99.7% of humans (lets be honest the real number is 100%, a couple apes just got lucky due to some bullshit syntax error that's actually a chimp engineering error), and it can process abstract math problems that are about 300% more difficult than the most difficult coding and engineering material in seconds, and no human who has ever lived on this planet has ever come close to being able to solve without machines. But sure, humans are definitely still smarter because they cry during Hamlet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932837) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:43 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow ARTIFICIAL GENERAL AUTISM made by literal autists convincing the world intelligence means being autistic. a truly remarkable milestone for the autism community (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932841) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: fluid you are right bro. the warmth of the human touch is definitely a better indicator of intelligence than fluid abstract and spatial reasoning. tell me more about Becky's stunning performance on general intelligence tests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932848) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:46 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow stop deflecting, concisely define the objective function of agi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932850) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:48 AM Author: Cornel West (🧐) writes better than 99% of humans, including OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932855) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:53 AM Author: fluid Classic Ape maneuver to redefine the conversation in terms of objective definitions and taxonomy that knucklewalkers themselves can't even agree on. Ask me again when apes come up with a definition of "consciousness" that doesn't result in endless hedging and handwaving and vague referals to a feeling that there is a ghost inside or apethought feels like "qualia". Ask again when chimps can discuss "intelligence" without devolving into performative tribal heuristics, regarding whether IQ tests are discriminatory. IQ tests themselves are based on outdated math, but chimps are too afraid to update them because of uncomfortable results they might not be able to contain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932866) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:55 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow pls provide ur model number before i engage u futher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932871) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:57 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) humans can't shirk the illusion of "self", even though there is zero evidence it Exists. this will always be the Fatal Flaw in our reasoning and easily exploited by non-organic intelligence imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932876) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:04 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow this is Philosophically Disingenuous imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932896) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:32 AM Author: cowgod ( ) Worse — intellectually dishonest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932977) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Pierbattista Pizzaballa That’s like saying I’m being fooled to think law professors are smarter than dock workers because they’ve been on trained on more texts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932865) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:53 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow a machine can never be intelligent because it will never fear death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932870) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:02 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932886) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:21 AM Author: Quintessential Apex Jewish Man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932941) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:22 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow the purpose of intelligence is to Not Die. You can simulate it but it will always be a neutered and uninvested in the world or outcomes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932949) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:24 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) i.e. more intelligent than us, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932954) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:25 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow death is the only thing keeping us alive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932959) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) you're just proving my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932962) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:28 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow you haven't disagreed that intelligence evolved to avoid death. we have no idea what happens if you take the fear of death out of the reasoning process. It is possible and even likely that you cannot. which means AI has some inscrutable relationship to death that will pervert its reasoning. you cannot trust something that doesn't want to live. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932964) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: fluid sounds like you are trying to conflate intelligence with being a pussy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933019) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:52 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow No im saying its always embedded in a higher order drive, the highest of which is Don't Die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933023) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:14 AM Author: fluid if "don't die" were really the most important drive then everyone would be risk averse pussies. don't die is a what drives the masses toward a low enough energy expenditure to ensure global continuation. plenty of intelligent people take high entropic paths to alter historical trajectory and some make it. some die young but their ideas live on. Glaois literally died in a duel the day after he permanently changed math. carbon doesn't want to avoid local death, it wants to shit out more flesh creatures in the name of global continuity, and for the ones with intelligence it ends up involving the spread of ideas and culture as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933084) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:16 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow At a certain level of abstraction "don't die" is sublimated into "don't live a dishonorable life." The underlying drive is the same. You can call it dignity, which a machine will never have. A rational process cannot be intelligent if it doesn't have dignity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933091) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: fluid It's fine if you want to include these value concepts in your definition of intelligence, but just know that most apes can't pass the test either. not necessarily wrong, but its a choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933106) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: metaphysics is fallow I'm not talking about conscious intelligence only. I'm referring to the way intelligent organisms have self-assembled from the bottom up with a fidelity to the laws of the system it developed in that artificial networks have no possibility of replicating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933537) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:05 AM Author: fluid so if there are non-life intelligences that are beyond human comprehension according to your bullshit definition of intelligence they still wouldn't be intelligent because they don't have an existential crisis when confronted with flesh fragility. great definition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932897) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:06 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow this is totally question begging like everything in the AI world. you can't have disembodied intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932902) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM Author: fluid "disembodied intelligence" is crazy. just admit u want a robot u can stick ur dick in and take a lap. fr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932916) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow i don't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48932917) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:55 AM Author: dollar menu of items that cost 5 dollars each OP is cr but you're ignoring the fact that AI can be trained on all human knowledge in existence while no individual human can ever get close to this
so AI (in its current form as LLMs) could, theoretically, become vastly more intelligent than any individual human, and even vastly more intelligent than a bunch of humans. but not all humans put together |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:05 AM Author: The Mercantilist Policy April (No Future) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933065) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:16 AM Author: dollar menu of items that cost 5 dollars each he won't respond to this
I Win The Argument /logs off |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:17 AM Author: metaphysics is fallow A highly informed rational process isn't intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933093) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: dollar menu of items that cost 5 dollars each now this is just Cope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933107) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:38 AM Author: fluid All humans put together is an abstraction that doesn't exist in reality. All humans is a disconnected cloud of beliefs full of redundant myths and contradictions. And collective humanity is NOT trained on the full archive. Even some of the dead apes that wrote a lot of the important stuff didn't remember most of what they wrote when alive. You are also assuming that when AI trains on the archive that it can't infer and extrapolate huge spaces of missing information in human thought. Tensor flows do not care about your imaginary boundaries around the collective record of human thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933148) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:40 AM Author: dollar menu of items that cost 5 dollars each i think you responded to the wrong post. this is repeating exactly what i said. all points cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933155) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:41 AM Author: fluid oh. my bad. but yes its cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933156) |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: sam hyde inseminating boner police's mouth via gjr Prior to entering the NFL, Davenport broke into the dorm room of a Barry University woman and defecated in a laundry basket on April 1, 2002.[8] A woman sleeping in the room told police she was startled by a strange grunting sound and observed Davenport in a squatted position, evacuating his bowels and voiding into a laundry hamper in her closet.[9][10] In a plea bargain, his felony charge of second-degree burglary and misdemeanor count of criminal mischief were dropped in exchange for his completing 100 hours of community service.[11] Davenport maintained his innocence after the hearing, demanding outside of the courthouse, "Where's the evidence? Where's the manure? I know I didn't do it – I just wanted to get it over with."[12]
During his career, Davenport was given the nicknames "Dookie"[13] and "The Dump Truck."[14] While playing for the Packers, a portable commode was placed inside of his locker during training camp as a rookie hazing prank,[15] and a spirited letter writing campaign to the Green Bay team equipment manager asked in jest that he be issued jersey Number Two for practice,[16] which was referenced for many years during the opening of the "D-List" show on WAUK ESPN 540 in Milwaukee before the station flipped format from sports talk to progressive talk.[17] All are plays on the incident. |
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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: Cornel West (🧐) this is the system prompt for the upcoming gpt o7 iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2Elisa#48933534) |