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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:26 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/64653
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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Agree with the first 4 sentences.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447800) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 9:27 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Ukraine has 7 figures of casualties over 4 years. This isn't a "low-intensity war."
But to answer the question - they don't do it because he is deeply unpopular and his unwillingness to compromise is a major advantage to Russia. If he died someone like Zaluzhnyi would take over which would not be a good change from the Russian perspective.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448384) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
No. Again, the EU sends them billions of Euros every year and whoever is in charge gets to skim off of that. Zaluzhnyi wouldn't fold either. Those that would compromise like Arestovich wouldn't be allowed near power.
Because the Russian position is that Ukraine is Russian land. If they say, carpet bomb Kharkov, Kiev, and Odessa (the 3 largest cities in Ukraine) to the ground then everyone will be horrified. I don't mean Westerners but rather actual Russians that generally view these cities as Russian cities. Keep in mind that to Russians this is a civil war.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448562) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
tcr
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447828) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
"doesn't change the fact that a lot of people give a shit because ukraine is part of the western world"
I loled at this. They absolutely are not, or at least no more so than Russia. Historically they're a region of Russia and in reality life in these two places is overwhelmingly similar, though right now you have significantly more freedom in Russia than in Ukraine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447930) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447962) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Protip: supporting the war in Ukraine isn't doing anything nice for anyone except the MIC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447977) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Casualties are in the millions. The scale is just astonishing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447976) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447963) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:41 PM
Author: ..,,....,,.,..,,..,,...,...,,....,...,
Biden's Secretary of State was literally a Ukrainian Jew with ties to Mossad and Epstein
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448233) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:03 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Nuland, Vindman, and Blinken all were descended from Ukranian Jewish families, and imho all put Ukraine's needs over the USA's needs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448629) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:05 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448463) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:03 PM Author: sealclubber
caveat, i don't know what i'm talking about.
1. because we gave ukraine assurances we would protect them back in the 90s (i think) if they would refrain from getting nukes
2. because they are a aposdkjfapoeifpaowei democracy and we want more of those
3. because letting russia usurp land that isn't theirs is bad for the us. a;dkfpaoeiaoeijr
4. because letting russia have ukraine would give them strategic advantages if they invaded europe. adlkafjepoifjae
5. because we get to sell them weapons and provide support and this lets us get their rare earth minerals and we need them because we shit the pot and let china lock in rare earth minerals everywhere else
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448630) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:56 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
This deal isn't really going to happen. Zelensky is trying to kill it while trying not to be seen as the person who killed it. It isn't that it isn't "good enough for Ukraine" - Zelensky has no need for a peace agreement that will result in reduced aid to Ukraine and elections (which he will lose).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447845) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Conveniently, the people who would topple him are dead, wounded, abroad, or in a trench. Who is going to overthrow him?
By the way, his personal bodyguards are from the UK and not locals.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447893) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:26 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
My family is from Ukraine. It doesn't work the way you imagine. Most have been sick of this for a very long time but there isn't shit they can do about it. Generally, people are hiding from the draft authorities or trying to figure out a way to escape the country. Trying to put together a militia to fight UK special forces in Kiev isn't really the direction they're thinking in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447957) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
People spout a bunch of bullshit about how shit works in Ukraine. You have some dumbass claiming that it us a western country ffs. There isn't going to be some uprising that overthrows Zelensky. At least not unless the Euros get sick of him in which case it'll happen almost immediately. But they have the power, not "the Ukrainian people."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447973) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:34 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Where did I claim to be particularly brave? Also, this is a law board, sir.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447981) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Ty
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448007) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:14 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
He'll manage to sabotage this. You'll see. The only one that wants peace here is Trump.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447907) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
Ok, keep watching.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447960) |
Date: November 20th, 2025 7:04 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
Despite Kyiv's tepid reaction to the draft, Zelensky said he "appreciated the efforts of President Trump and his team to return security to Europe" – perhaps a way to keep the US president onside despite his administration's apparent soft approach to Russia.
In his nightly address on Thursday, Zelensky said Ukraine needs a "worthy peace," and that the "dignity of the Ukrainian people" must be respected.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly1ypqlle0o
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49447875) |
Date: November 20th, 2025 7:48 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
Board Russiamos agreed with me over a year ago that Odessa or Kiev was necessary for a Russian victory. That's still the rational yardstick. Russia obviously didn't lose hundreds of thousands of men and hundreds of billions of dollars to get the freaking Donbas.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448044) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
It will have to be modified but has some clever things in it like splitting the power from the captured nuclear plant 50-50.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448057) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.
lol
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448524) |
Date: November 20th, 2025 9:10 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
https://x.com/WallStreetMav/status/1991654872215875808
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448337) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 9:18 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
NSAM, is this what you consider "caving"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448354) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 9:37 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
This does
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/64653
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448403) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
"Reports claim" versus an official statement from their UN ambassador.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448617) |
Date: November 20th, 2025 9:17 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
Fact: Ukraine could have kept all its territories (with autonomous status for parts of Donetsk and Luhansk) by implementing the Minsk agreements, and a much bigger chunk of its territories by implementing the early 2022 deal. Both were scuttled by the West — primarily the US and UK — which insisted Ukraine continue fighting. This is the result.
https://x.com/battleforeurope/status/1991541363607806247?t=v7inHoHM9FfLt7gQ_STdSA&s=19
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448352) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:11 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
So why are you acting like Ukraine would be defeated if they agreed to peace at the cost of the Donbas?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448652) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:09 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
Glad to see you recognize the true Russian victory scenario. Let's see if they can take Kiev or Odessa
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448644) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:12 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
Guesses and bets mean nothing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448656) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
I've repeatedly said Russia can't take either. I say that again today fwiw. Which is nothing because all that matters is what actually happens.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448666) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
I'll take the bet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448689) |
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Date: November 20th, 2025 11:43 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................
I'll take that bet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800450&forum_id=2Elisa#49448720) |
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