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Tucker Is A Sophist: Who The Fuck Cares If Iran Has 20M or 200M People?

I think normies watching this clip with side with Rafa and r...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
Why Tucker hate Israel? What Israel ever do to Tucker? Stup...
Light pontificating cumskin
  06/19/25
He’s literally a paid Qatar shill
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
the framing youre missing is that its normies being asked to...
marvelous lemon dysfunction stock car
  06/19/25
Normies sending their sons to die for Israel don’t exp...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
a more adept debater would have tied the knot: there is n...
marvelous lemon dysfunction stock car
  06/19/25
Tucker didn’t come anywhere close to making these poin...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
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Diverse hell sandwich
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Garnet Vivacious Therapy
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Costumed Crackhouse
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know-it-all rehab
  06/20/25
You should watch the a bit of the full interview. Cruz looks...
Avocado affirmative action
  06/19/25
I watched 2-3 clips, and normies are probably also not watch...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
Well shit, I don’t think anyone else has noticed that ...
adventurous lilac menage
  06/19/25
Neither comes off as likable. The question is whether Rafa w...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
I don’t think that’s the right question tho. The...
Avocado affirmative action
  06/19/25
That’s a totally different issue, and it is concerning...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
"fringe lunatics" like tucker are changing the dis...
Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground
  06/19/25
The leader of the free world admitted nobody is watching fri...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
he says this about anyone he is mad at. if joe rogan pissed ...
Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground
  06/19/25
lmao at sheltered jews realizing the "normies" are...
odious maniacal gas station idea he suggested
  06/19/25
You realize the end game of this kind of discourse being mai...
titillating chrome field
  06/19/25
How do we reverse this disastrous course?
titillating chrome field
  06/19/25
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Electric Tantric Becky
  06/19/25
Wasn't even tuckers best point, he dogwalked cruz all over ...
Electric Tantric Becky
  06/19/25
It’s clearly a gotcha question. What margin of error d...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
Israel knows who they are and they are telling us to destroy...
titillating chrome field
  06/19/25
op is clearly a zionist kike. i think you should have a ball...
Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground
  06/19/25
Define a ballpark idea. A gotcha question is designed to mak...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
it was clear that ted cruz knows nothing about iran. as some...
Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground
  06/19/25
The population is relevant from a fighting standpoint, but I...
floppy rusted love of her life
  06/19/25
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Electric Tantric Becky
  06/19/25
Normies are fucking idiots by definition and no they don&rsq...
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
nobody sides with you on this. you're doing jewish mental gy...
at-the-ready area
  06/19/25
the unbelievable narcissistic delusions of jews know no boun...
Arousing locale son of senegal
  06/19/25
this thread is a great example of jew cope
Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground
  06/19/25
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know-it-all rehab
  06/20/25
its kinda relevant when youre going to war against a country...
demanding flushed orchestra pit associate
  06/19/25
You can see it as a dumb gotcha question and still be agains...
vigorous shrine
  06/19/25
Based on how central population is for cost, expense, diffic...
floppy rusted love of her life
  06/19/25
I think it was a fair question. That’s a pretty basic ...
Curious International Law Enforcement Agency Old Irish Cottage
  06/19/25
A war against a country of 200 million is difficult to win.
Orchid Piazza Newt
  06/19/25
(POTUS of Indonesia)
naked harsh indirect expression rigpig
  06/19/25
Cruz is talking about regime change. first, i'd hoap that ...
lavender death wish
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Low-t Headpube
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Ivory kitchen immigrant
  06/19/25
Well DBG, when you're talking about a stupid foreign war and...
Ivory kitchen immigrant
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Coral massive water buffalo plaza
  06/19/25
be nice to dbg he's a midwit normie heeb
odious maniacal gas station idea he suggested
  06/19/25
What I legit can't tell is whether he doesn't see this or if...
Ivory kitchen immigrant
  06/20/25
it's the latter
Arousing locale son of senegal
  06/20/25
Remember folks, it's a high verbal IQ, not numerical or spat...
primrose adulterous bawdyhouse
  06/19/25
I'm considering invading either Grenada or China. But I can'...
tripping hairraiser spot
  06/19/25
Lmao
Coral massive water buffalo plaza
  06/19/25
china has nukes. lol @ this sophistry.
brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire
  06/19/25
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tripping hairraiser spot
  06/19/25
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Costumed Crackhouse
  06/19/25
you might want to know how many people will be trying to kil...
snowy cuckoldry cuck
  06/20/25


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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

I think normies watching this clip with side with Rafa and realize this is a dumb gotcha question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031465)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: Light pontificating cumskin

Why Tucker hate Israel? What Israel ever do to Tucker? Stupid bitch. Nuke Iran and make Shah king of persia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031470)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:05 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

He’s literally a paid Qatar shill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031472)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: marvelous lemon dysfunction stock car

the framing youre missing is that its normies being asked to send their sons to war in iran.

"lol who gaf about iran?" is not acceptable from the rich guy presuming to send them

we could all agree to not gaf anything about iran were it not for cruz et al saying, "cool if we send your kids?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031476)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:07 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

Normies sending their sons to die for Israel don’t expect senators to know random atlas details about the places their sons will die for Israel. That’s the fallacy of this whole thing. It’s clear to any normie that this gotcha question as nothing to do with anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031479)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:11 AM
Author: marvelous lemon dysfunction stock car

a more adept debater would have tied the knot:

there is no question that the US military will win, even after many many American lives are lost. And after those lives are lost, and after we win... do you have any idea of how to stabilize Iran? Doesnt this require a real and nuanced understanding of Iran? You seem to lack any knowledge about the place. This would be fine -- Senators are not required to know Iran. But Senators who propose sacrificing American lives to rebuild Iran ARE required to have a plan. What is yours?

Tucker touched on these points, but it was contentious. Live debate does not allows allow for a perfect presentation. But his argument was legit and mostly presented

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031489)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:13 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

Tucker didn’t come anywhere close to making these points in the eyes of any normie, and no normie is going to be able to pull that out himself as you did. Any normie will see this as a dumb gotcha question and side with Rafa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031497)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 10:12 AM
Author: Diverse hell sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031657)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: Garnet Vivacious Therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031685)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 4:50 AM
Author: Costumed Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49034203)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:51 PM
Author: know-it-all rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49035329)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Avocado affirmative action

You should watch the a bit of the full interview. Cruz looks horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031490)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

I watched 2-3 clips, and normies are probably also not watching the whole interview. I’m just saying tucker comes across as a smug asshole to normies and I don’t think he hurt Rafa from the sound bytes I saw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031501)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:18 AM
Author: adventurous lilac menage

Well shit, I don’t think anyone else has noticed that Tucker Carlson comes across as a smug asshole. And Ted Cruz seems like a guy with a lot of friends!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031503)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:20 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

Neither comes off as likable. The question is whether Rafa was exposed as a fraud. And tucker failed to make the case for normies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031513)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:23 AM
Author: Avocado affirmative action

I don’t think that’s the right question tho. The discourse is really turning when a guy like Ted Cruz is losing on Israel to Tucker Carlson. Couple days ago you had this clip on CNN. https://x.com/offbeatorbit/status/1935221785814851734?s=46

Then there was clip about sending out kids to die for Israel https://x.com/suppressednws/status/1935178457497092202?s=46

Before this kind of discourse would get someone blasted as a rabid antisemite. Now they are normal accepted parts of conversation. That’s what’s happening imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031521)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

That’s a totally different issue, and it is concerning that you can even allude to these antisemitic things in the MSM. Tucker is a fringe lunatic who isn’t MSM anymore and Jews can’t control every podcasting lunatic like they can control the narrative on CNN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031532)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground

"fringe lunatics" like tucker are changing the discourse. nothing jews like you do is going to stop this. you might as well stop wasting your time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031539)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

The leader of the free world admitted nobody is watching fringe lunatic tucker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031540)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:46 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground

he says this about anyone he is mad at. if joe rogan pissed him off, he'd call him "failed podcaster joe rogan" and say nobody listens to him anymore.

lol at how desperate you jews are getting. this is awesome to watch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031577)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: odious maniacal gas station idea he suggested

lmao at sheltered jews realizing the "normies" are onto them for the 111th time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032044)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:38 PM
Author: titillating chrome field

You realize the end game of this kind of discourse being mainstream is Israel being wiped off the map?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032987)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:35 PM
Author: titillating chrome field

How do we reverse this disastrous course?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032984)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:26 AM
Author: Electric Tantric Becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031525)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:28 AM
Author: Electric Tantric Becky

Wasn't even tuckers best point, he dogwalked cruz all over that interview. Still, it's not unreasonable to expect a politician to know basic demographics of a country they are pushing to topple. W's failure to understand Iraq led to much of the catastrophe there after all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031530)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

It’s clearly a gotcha question. What margin of error does a politician have for guessing the population of a country they’re going to topple? It’s a no win situation. If he says 75, which is a reasonably close guess, he might look dumb, so why guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031537)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: titillating chrome field

Israel knows who they are and they are telling us to destroy them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033005)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground

op is clearly a zionist kike. i think you should have a ballpark idea of the population of a country, demographics of a country, or anything about the country (tucker also asked him all this) if you are advocating for regime change, which likely will involve kids from your country dying.

but i'm not a zionist jew so i must be wrong here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031538)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:36 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

Define a ballpark idea. A gotcha question is designed to make you look bad even if you’re in the ballpark. It’s a no win.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031544)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:45 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground

it was clear that ted cruz knows nothing about iran. as someone pointed out above, W also didn't seem to care to know shit about iraq and look how that turned out.

i bet your average israeli, and certainly all israeli politicians, know a lot about iran's demographics.

the point is, iran isn't our problem. it actually makes sense that cruz knows nothing about iran. but we shouldn't get involved. let's see how israel does on its own with this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031573)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:36 AM
Author: floppy rusted love of her life

The population is relevant from a fighting standpoint, but I think the overall point is that it becomes exponentially more difficult to stabilize a country as the population goes up. And let's not even fucking forget the difficulty and expense curve of actually occupying a country in an effort to put the "right" guys in power and then keep them there.

If we help topple, we are essentially locked in to trying to stabilize for at least a few years

People who don't understand the relevance of population in the context of US adventurism in the middle east are fucking idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031543)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:41 AM
Author: Electric Tantric Becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031559)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

Normies are fucking idiots by definition and no they don’t understand any of the points you make. And tucker failed to make any of these points to any normie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031567)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: at-the-ready area

nobody sides with you on this. you're doing jewish mental gymnastics to prop up ted fucking cruz. everyone hates him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031569)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:47 AM
Author: Arousing locale son of senegal

the unbelievable narcissistic delusions of jews know no bounds

not a single non-jewish person thinks that cruz looked better than tucker in that interview. not one. not an exaggeration. literally not a single person

the most insane part of jews is that they REALLY BELIEVE their own insane ethnonarcissitic delusions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031581)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good hospital hunting ground

this thread is a great example of jew cope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031695)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: know-it-all rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49035338)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 9:51 AM
Author: demanding flushed orchestra pit associate

its kinda relevant when youre going to war against a country. do you really think alexander the great wouldnt have at least had an unpaid intern figure it out off of wikipedia before invading if it were an option?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031595)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 10:16 AM
Author: vigorous shrine

You can see it as a dumb gotcha question and still be against the war. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031671)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 11:04 AM
Author: floppy rusted love of her life

Based on how central population is for cost, expense, difficulty, and death in the context of stabilizing and "managing" a country, how is this a gotcha question? It's a necessary piece of information to know in order to actually champion regime change that implicitly requires sustained involvement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031895)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: Curious International Law Enforcement Agency Old Irish Cottage

I think it was a fair question. That’s a pretty basic fact about a country. If you don’t even know the ballpark population of a country then maybe you don’t know a lot of other important facts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49031948)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 11:50 AM
Author: Orchid Piazza Newt

A war against a country of 200 million is difficult to win.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032021)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 2:34 PM
Author: naked harsh indirect expression rigpig

(POTUS of Indonesia)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032489)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 12:00 PM
Author: lavender death wish

Cruz is talking about regime change.

first, i'd hoap that given our recent decades of costly and even self-destructive failures at that game, Cruz wouldn't be blundering into yet another regime change.

second, if you insist on doing regime change, a deep knowledge of the target seems essential. and i'd hoap for at least a working knowledge -- which Cruz plainly lacked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032054)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Low-t Headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032055)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Ivory kitchen immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032386)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: Ivory kitchen immigrant

Well DBG, when you're talking about a stupid foreign war and a population generally against them then the person selling this bs should know the basics about the country he proposes to attack. For example, the fact that China has over a billion people and Taiwan has under 30 million is a pretty significant fact when we're talking about "defending Taiwan against China." Similarly, the reason Ukraine is fucked against Russia is that they're simply running out of warm bodies, and the population difference is much smaller than Taiwan vs China. If Iran had 20 million people then a war against them would be a much easier undertaking than their current population. Israel is struggling against largely unarmed people in Gaza who number in the 2-3 million range. In short, numbers matter.

But ultimately, it exposes that Cruz is a mouthpiece selling Israeli interests and neither knows nor cares about the substance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032379)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 2:39 PM
Author: Coral massive water buffalo plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032495)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: odious maniacal gas station idea he suggested

be nice to dbg he's a midwit normie heeb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49032497)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Ivory kitchen immigrant

What I legit can't tell is whether he doesn't see this or if he is just assuming that everyone who isn't Jewish is a retard and therefore they totally won't see the obvious flaws in his logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49035308)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:58 PM
Author: Arousing locale son of senegal

it's the latter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49035348)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:47 PM
Author: primrose adulterous bawdyhouse

Remember folks, it's a high verbal IQ, not numerical or spatial

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033013)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: tripping hairraiser spot

I'm considering invading either Grenada or China. But I can't decide which would be easier. I wonder what facts would help me decide...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033014)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 5:51 PM
Author: Coral massive water buffalo plaza

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033028)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 6:29 PM
Author: brindle talented digit ratio multi-billionaire

china has nukes. lol @ this sophistry.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033150)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 8:31 PM
Author: tripping hairraiser spot

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033510)



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Date: June 19th, 2025 6:31 PM
Author: Costumed Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49033157)



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Date: June 20th, 2025 2:53 AM
Author: snowy cuckoldry cuck

you might want to know how many people will be trying to kill our (or 'their' to you, jew) soldiers if a war breaks out. and even if the number per se didn't matter, you'd think it's a fact you'd happen across if you were thinking about the issue in a serious way. this board is so fucking stupid now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5740369&forum_id=2Elisa#49034095)