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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:25 AM Author: odious misanthropic sandwich $17,000 for 14.5 hours of “strategy” by an associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564819) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:51 AM Author: Territorial Kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564874) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:53 AM Author: Disturbing dark resort doctorate yeah but she went to fordham (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564885) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:07 AM Author: indecent appetizing senate $25 million for over 10 years of strategy on XO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564941) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:29 AM Author: Stimulating jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564991) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:13 PM Author: alcoholic provocative hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565635) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 11:02 AM Author: Irate Haunting Menage Stock Car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46579901) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:02 AM Author: Salmon shrine pozpig FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GAS ALL KIKES NOW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46564933) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Razzmatazz twisted mood twinkling uncleanness One attorney had 16.5 hours of document review in one day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565303) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:08 PM Author: Stimulating jewess they were likely under orders to find something, anything, to do on this case, for as long as you possibly can do it, up and until we send the pencils down email. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565364) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 12:34 PM Author: Internet-worthy center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565467) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:51 PM Author: Submissive Idiot That’s the most believable time entry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567824) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: thirsty charismatic school cafeteria becky I think this may have been an epic blunder by a group of people that are supposed to be the smartest in the room. Why would you bill this much and submit these time sheets to a company that, if you’re successful, will be run by the person you’re suing? If they’d billed $20 million (which isn’t bad for a couple months work) and submitted decent time sheets this probably wouldn’t be a big deal but with $90 million figure and now these bullshit time sheets I don’t see how this doesn’t seriously bite them in the ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565814) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:59 PM Author: Wonderful Bearded Public Bath That's VERY antisemitic, fyi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566151) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 8:00 PM Author: bull headed box office kitty (1) It's not like Elon's going to keep using them when he takes over.
(2) Burn it all down.
(3) You can only settle for a number well under what you can 'blackboard' in damages. At this point Elon would be killing it to settle for $45M in fees; do you really think they did $45M in work? |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:47 PM Author: Kink-friendly lake clown not a "biglaw guy" but is it standard to bill at >$1k/hr for your time you spend traveling and not working? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565840) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:50 PM Author: Canary Casino yes. traveling is working. it's opportunity cost. why should the firm not charge the client when their attorney is out of pocket traveling and could otherwise be doing work?
unless the client is cheap and negotiates a deal with the firm where they dont pay for travel time or pay at a reduced rates, it's very standard.
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Date: July 19th, 2023 1:51 PM Author: Know-it-all indirect expression If the client will pay it, then yes. If you are in bankruptcy court they make you reduce it to 50%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46565863) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Gay diverse rehab associate >$1500 and yes.
$2000 is still rarified air, but that’s changing. There was a wall at $1000 20 years ago, there is a similar wall at $2000, but it is falling. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:12 PM Author: boyish cruise ship gaping I believe you mean "rarefied." We need to have a talk about attention to detail, mistakes like these shouldn't be finding their way into final drafts. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:16 PM Author: Fragrant bisexual boiling water Hell yeah. The lawyer is supposed to make a big fuss about it too. "Oh I had to take the train from Philly at 7am, I won't get back to the office until late tonight..." to reinforce the point. They probably have some cutoff to determine whether it's "local commuting distance" or "travel." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566253) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:19 PM Author: Trip mustard ceo absolutely. travel is work if you wouldn't be traveling but for the matter you're working on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566259) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:56 PM Author: Submissive Idiot It’s the fucking best, but the ABA has warned not to bill travel time while working for another client. You can’t bill two people for the same six minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567849) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:11 PM Author: Canary Casino lol as if anyone knows whether u double billed as long as u dont have more than 24.0 per day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567903) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:14 PM Author: dun national security agency What's the reason I can't charge each of them half? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567915) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:15 AM Author: Submissive Idiot That’s fine but stupid from a career perspective. Your hours will be better if you watch a movie and do the other clients work at the hotel.
The reality is you just need to make sure you don’t send that client their work while you’re on the plan. If it’s 3 hours, don’t send it until 3 hours after you got to the hotel. |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 12:17 PM Author: Canary Casino >> Your hours will be better if you watch a movie and do the other clients work at the hotel.
lol no. do the work on the plane, double bill the two clients, and then fuck a whore at the hotel |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 2:08 PM Author: dun national security agency I'm asking about the ethical objection. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570132) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:41 PM Author: Canary Casino i'd assume you'd need client disclosure/consent. client A is happy to receive a 50% discount on your work, but client B would likely wonder why they should subsidize 50% of client A's bill if you're doing work for client A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570861) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 3:40 PM Author: Shimmering institution masturbator client by client basis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570580) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:21 PM Author: hateful olive house Jessica Allen 1.75 "Team meetings" *No one else records time to "team meetings"*
This was always my biggest fear. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:23 PM Author: pale hairless principal's office She was the only one who attended these team meetings. Or she could be recording time on behalf of all team members present at these meetings. We'll never know unless the client starts questioning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566275) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: Canary Casino that's why u always block bill meetings/calls with prep for the call -- to the extent that u cant block bill the entire fucking day. that way, it's impossible to be called out for padding the meeting/call itself. c'mon this is billing 101 shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566288) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:28 PM Author: hateful olive house "Prepare for M&C with OC and attend same, attend to follow-up." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566293) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 4:33 PM Author: galvanic theater stage yeah this is a rookie mistake. i NEVER bill for the actual time spent on meetings or calls. sometime the associate (or other partner) will bill more or less and i never want it to be questioned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566633) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:29 PM Author: Gay diverse rehab associate Strategy could include the meeting, or the blank one or …. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566299) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:41 PM Author: indecent appetizing senate “It was a Teams meeting. Sorry, typed it wrong.”
“With whom?”
*hangs up phone* |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:53 PM Author: marvelous hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566453) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 9:05 AM Author: slate impertinent trump supporter lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568875) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: Stubborn bat-shit-crazy ticket booth GORGEOUS Anitha Reddy, who is apparently a PARTNER, billing 9.0 hours straight for "legal research/brief drafting/discovery review" while she checks Shadi.com for potential matches while meditating to a urn containing part of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's ashes
https://benchmarklitigation.com/Lawyer/Anitha-Reddy-New-York/Profile/79734
EDIT: she definitely is a partner, her 9.0 hours cost $13.5k, a CHILL billing rate of $1,500
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:59 PM Author: Hairraiser dragon stage Imagine the smell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46574018) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 3:46 PM Author: Sexy Heaven Well, this definitely puts them in a rough spot. What are they going to do, litigate it and subject their internal ops to discovery? They’re the most secretive law firm in the world, can’t imagine they want to deal with that. But how do they settle without looking like a bunch of shady blood sucking scumbags? That could result in serious reputational harm. Looks like they may have really screwed the pooch here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566410) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:06 PM Author: hateful olive house Elon foresaw all of this and laid a trap for them in May 2022. He never wanted out of the deal in the first place.
(TBF) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:08 PM Author: domesticated bronze step-uncle's house puppy I’ve worked with Wachtell on a similar matter and I think the time billed is legit. I was billing 280-315 hours per month and they were working me under the table sending emails all hours of the night (including some of the folks on this bill). In these cases, the partners are constantly having to update the board and senior management and there is an insane amount of documents to review on an expedited basis, plus thousands of RFAs, interrogatories, stupid discovery letters/motions/30(b)(6) depositions, expert work, dispositive motions, statements of undisputed facts, etc.—plus you need to be preparing senior folks for depositions, coordinating with their individual counsel if they have it, traveling, etc.
This case was filed July 12 and set for trial October 17. People don’t realize how short that is to prepare for a dispute of this magnitude, which would require things like pulling emails and text messages from outside directors (who don’t have company email addresses and who were probably on their yachts off St. Tropez at the time the case was filed). |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:17 PM Author: dun national security agency "People don’t realize how short that is to prepare for a dispute of this magnitude"
Well, maybe non-lawyers don't. But I would think most people here know that three months is really fucking fast for just about any trial. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 7:07 PM Author: hateful olive house We had a case against Wachtel and got thousands of interrogatories, just like you did. It was INSANE how hard they work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567214) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:09 PM Author: dun national security agency There wasn't a limit on them, like in FRCP 33(a)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567898) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:09 AM Author: Gay diverse rehab associate No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568767) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:56 PM Author: hateful olive house 1,975 of them were objectionable on that ground but they still make you work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570923) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 1:00 PM Author: Hairraiser dragon stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46574025) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 1:00 PM Author: Hairraiser dragon stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46574026) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 7:54 AM Author: domesticated bronze step-uncle's house puppy This was in Chancery court, my man. Not federal court. No limit! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573003) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: Submissive Idiot I’ve always said that 300 hour months are honest and 160 hour months are full of fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567862) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:59 PM Author: Free-loading Splenetic Nursing Home Regret (Wachtell Of Counsel) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567866) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:39 PM Author: pale hairless principal's office Yeah but was your time as a 2nd year associate worth $800/hr doing "team meetings?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568169) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:17 AM Author: Submissive Idiot If the market is willing to bear it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46569114) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:32 PM Author: green multi-colored ratface You are right its not a unique situation. But what is unique about it here is they couldn't write complete sentences for their time entries. And apparently they don't have anyone in a billing department or a secretary who has time to clean up the entries for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46572124) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:25 PM Author: soul-stirring sweet tailpipe tanning salon Incredible that they bill paralegals out at like $425/hr and 1st year associates at $750/hr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566845) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:26 PM Author: domesticated bronze step-uncle's house puppy BTW - the bankers were paid $133MM for this deal and stood to earn countless more from financing fees. In a deal where due diligence was essentially waived. I guarantee Wachtell spent more time on this case than either GS or JPM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566847) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 5:44 PM Author: Fragrant bisexual boiling water Whose idea was it to make Musk do a background check before he could join the board? That seems like one of the dumbest moves of all time. The dood already has a TS clearance at minimum in connection with his SpaceX shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46566912) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 9:54 PM Author: massive confused quadroon Idk if that's true. You can run a company that does TS work without having TS clearance yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567841) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 9:41 PM Author: Swashbuckling nubile circlehead indian lodge lol are you fucking kidding.
elon personally works with the absolute highest levels of government. |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:05 PM Author: Submissive Idiot Lol, they also can’t sell the Twitter bonds they own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567887) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 11:03 AM Author: concupiscible lavender french chef corn cake Bankers don’t bill by the hour you dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573590) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: floppy church sex offender Lol at plaintiff's counsel using his actual residential address as his firm address.
https://www.dwell.com/home/920-camino-viejo-aia-award-winning-modernist-4-bed4.5-bath-montecito-estate-designed-by-renowned-architect-rex-lotery-0d1961c5 |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 11:05 PM Author: dun national security agency Isn't that what EPAH did? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568081) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:59 PM Author: hateful olive house Yeah it’s a raw power move against shitlawyers like RT and ZZZ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570934) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:45 AM Author: Disturbing dark resort doctorate fuck i'm poor. dude's wine collection is worth more than my life savings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568839) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:50 AM Author: Stimulating jewess At a certain level this is an embarrassment, at a certain level this is a flex
In this case it's a major flex |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:57 PM Author: hateful olive house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570925) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 9:02 AM Author: Gay diverse rehab associate That house is hideously ugly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46568869) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:58 PM Author: hateful olive house Don’t be mean 2 CSLG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570933) |
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Date: July 19th, 2023 10:29 PM Author: Black Shaky Den Factory Reset Button Shera Goldman needs to learn to block bill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46567961) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 10:18 AM Author: Submissive Idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46569119) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:52 PM Author: high-end faggot firefighter Here's (((Adam L Goodman))), who totally spent 20 hours in a single day doing "attention to discovery" billing over $1,000 / hour.
https://www.wlrk.com/attorney/algoodman/ |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 4:53 PM Author: Disturbing dark resort doctorate what do litigation partners there make? lit seems like an afterthought for them and with his credentials he'd be better off at one of the lit boutiques. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570909) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:02 PM Author: hateful olive house I’d heard they all take equal draws. That can’t be right though. Maybe equal by year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570945) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: Stimulating jewess his email is right there on the webpage, just shoot him a quick bit of career advice. He'll probably be quite grateful for the tip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570955) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:04 PM Author: Disturbing dark resort doctorate "hey adam, you're probably paying attention to discovery right now, but..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46570961) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:55 PM Author: Hairraiser dragon stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46574008) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 5:03 PM Author: magical heady station There's a small chance this guy was the younger partner assigned to corral all the discovery done by associates, and legitimately spent 20 hours doing nothing but reviewing docs tagged as "responsive" from 4 am to midnight while high on a quarter of his monthly Adderrall subscription.
But the more likely explanation is that he actually spent 16 hours doing that, and just couldn't help himself with the padding (boosting by 25% per his normal practice). |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 7:57 PM Author: Lime skinny woman hall He's still running from the stench of non-Wharton Penn UG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46571557) |
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Date: July 20th, 2023 8:02 PM Author: Canary Casino mods! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46571574) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:44 AM Author: Submissive Idiot Nothing wrong with going to Penn State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573507) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:43 AM Author: Submissive Idiot He’s a good man. And thorough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573504) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 10:57 AM Author: Sickened Base Deer Antler Correction: He spent 20 hours that day on this matter. He also prepped for and attended the team call in another matter (1.5) and reviewed discovery responses in a third matter (2.5). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573563) |
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Date: July 21st, 2023 12:06 PM Author: Copper gunner Why didn't Elon's lawyers bring a fraud count against WLRK? And allege that the lawyers lied on the bill. Wouldn't that open up discovery to each lawyer's schedules on the dates in question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46573837) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2023 5:41 PM Author: bull headed box office kitty 9(b)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#46581336) |
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Date: July 9th, 2026 8:35 PM Author: UN peacekeeper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374958&forum_id=2Elisa#49989527) |