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Date: August 22nd, 2025 8:37 AM Author: Silver Brunch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHxtbG9nlw
I think it starts at 9am. This was the first link I could find. If anyone finds one with better audio quality, please poast it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49203470) |
Date: August 22nd, 2025 10:28 AM Author: spectacular theater stage pozpig
* opening statements
Do you even law?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49203658) |
Date: August 22nd, 2025 10:43 AM Author: hateful ticket booth
lol is this her husband? why is he dressed like he's about to board a Viking cruise liner to the Bahamas
https://ibb.co/RkW0fxSj
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49203695) |
Date: August 22nd, 2025 11:49 AM Author: floppy messiness
Ljl at defense opening remarks. Yes it's proven that Charlie hired Katie to hire Sigfredo and the other guy to kill Danny. But there's no evidence Donna was involved, only speculation!
Lmao she is done here if the state can bring concrete evidence.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49203862) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 1:35 PM Author: Silver Brunch
As I recall, there was testimony during Charlie's trial to the effect that Harvey knew nothing about the plot and was very upset when he heard about it. On the other hand, I think the circumstantial evidence against Wendi is very strong. As I recall, there were a bunch of calls between her and Charlie right before the murder happened. On the morning of the murder, she drove past shortporch's house even though it was a major detour on her route. And when she saw crime scene tape at the house, she didn't stop to see if her kids were okay. And there was testimony from one of the hitmen that Charlie insisted that they drive a certain model and color of car, which was the same as Wendi's boyfriend was driving at the time. It's not airtight, but people have been convicted on far weaker evidence than this. My guess is that unless they can find new evidence that can definitely prove that Wendi is involved, they won't arrest Wendi until they either get Donna or Charlie to roll over (or give up on trying). There was a rumor that the DA's office offered Donna a plea deal for time served if she would give up Wendi, but Donna refused. The DA's office denies this, so who knows? But maybe they can get one of them to flip if they offer the possibility of parole in the future.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49204336) |
Date: August 22nd, 2025 3:28 PM Author: Ivory Death Wish Kitty Cat
did you catch this piece of evidence, VERY DAMNING:
https://imgur.com/a/YPWX2K5
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49204697) |
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Date: August 25th, 2025 11:16 AM Author: floppy messiness
ACERBIC SENSE OF HUMOR
she made a WISECRACK that sent Jeff around the bend. He went off on her in a hotel room and she began crying. 'She was fragile.'
'This is a girl so hawt you would throw yourself in front of a bus for.'
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49211015) |
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Date: August 25th, 2025 8:17 PM Author: floppy messiness
My gut feeling is that the State is sympathetic towards Wendi and isn't going to charge her. She's been especially co-operative. Despite what the pumo says there isn't a lot of evidence against her. In DeSantis' Florida they probably don't want to be seen taking kids away from their mom.
Charlie they had him red handed because he was the connect to Katie and he gave her money. He was toast. Donna is the last domino to follow because she's unhinged and is all over the wiretap and the emails make her look nuts.
Wendi I think she's getting away clean. Not enough evidence on her. Charlie and Donna were tight knit. Easy to believe that they plotted this without Wendi and Harvey's knowledge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49212325) |
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Date: August 26th, 2025 4:23 PM Author: floppy messiness
Also Rivera referenced hearing things about 'the dentist' and 'the lady' but admits he never met either of them. Correct me if I'm wrong but Katie never testified about the hit coming from Wendi and they knew each other personally.
We're right back where we started where it would require someone flipping. Jeff Lacasse saying Wendi said Charlie was looking into a hitman is not going to convict. We all know Charlie hired Katie and paid her directly. That's indisputable.
And we know Donna was MAF about relocation and the divorce proceedings and she and Charlie were in cahoots. Even so there's no direct evidence and it's all circumstantial and there's still a 20% chance Donna is acquitted just because they don't have a smoking gun and there's some small chance the jury just doesn't see her fingerprints on any of this.
Do I believe Wendi knew about the hit on Danny? Yes. Did she orchestrate it soup to nuts? Probably not. Did she provide her brother with information necessary to pull this off? Almost certainly. But we're still miles away from a guilty conviction for Wendi.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49214108) |
Date: August 25th, 2025 7:12 PM Author: floppy messiness
Defense is in shambles. State has laid out so much evidence here. Wendi hated Tallahassee, was desperate for relocation. Donna was livid that the proceedings weren't going their way. Donna despised Danny, wanted the grandkids, sent a million emails expressing relocation was her red line, even suggested Wendi convert the kids to Catholicism just to piss Danny off. And then the family actually hired real life gang members to drive to Tallahassee and smoke him. Wendi in the photo with Katie Magbanua is damning. She actually knew the chick who hired Sigfredo and Rivera.
Meanwhile the defense be like: Donna was a good mom who was always there for her kids. No smoking gun, Donna never emailed anyone in writing that she wanted to harm Danny.
Donna is so crazy she makes Wendi look sympathetic. Ljl this is 80/20 convict.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49212152) |
Date: August 25th, 2025 8:12 PM Author: Yapping institution queen of the night
Q: At the time of Dan Markel's murder was the defendant, your mother, very angry at Dan Markel?
A: Before he died?
Q: Yes ma'am
A: Yes
Q: And you hated him too right?
A: At certain points I was very frustrated with him
Q: Did you refer to him as an STD?
A: I don't remember saying that
Q: Tab 5
[15 seconds pass]
A: It looks like I made that analogy
Q: "Danny is an STD. One wrong mistake marrying him and this will never go away" is that what you said?
A: I did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaStBrz4PeA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49212303) |
Date: August 25th, 2025 9:41 PM Author: floppy messiness
I genuinely hope that defense in closing reminds the jury of their doomed opening remarks.
"Just to be clear, we told you all in the beginning that Danny Markel was killed in a murder for hire plot that involved Charlie Adelson, Katherine Magbanua, Sigfredo, and Rivera. That all actually happened. You even saw a picture of Wendi with Katie. You heard testimony from Robert that his mom was totally unphased by Danny's death and never broached the subject.
Anyway what's important to remember is that Donna was a good mom who loved her kids and there's no smoking gun. She did not literally tell anyone that she was going to kill Danny. OK. So therefore she didn't do it."
The jury would have to be extremely dense at this point to not take into account all the circumstantial evidence here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49212449) |
Date: August 26th, 2025 7:25 AM Author: spectacular theater stage pozpig
MFEs: 2 q's from a lawyer who knows almost nothing about the case bc i havent followed it:
1) the brother who testified yesterday. a media article said he's estranged w the mom and never testified before in these proceedings. why didnt he testify in the previous trial?
2) what does it mean that wendi testified under immunity? does that mean that they would have forced her to testify either way and made her invoke the 5th? did she testify at previous trials and invoke? why would she take an immunity offer -- did she WANT to rat out her mother? and why would someone take immunity to rat out their mom without getting an actual deal? i dont see what she gains, and "looking cooperative" to the DA doesnt like aseem good enough reason to rat out your mom.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49212954) |
Date: August 26th, 2025 12:04 PM Author: floppy messiness
JEFF TESTIFIES WENDI KNEW OF MURDER PLOT
https://youtu.be/SaCYcSOkn60
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49213536) |
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Date: August 26th, 2025 4:31 PM Author: spectacular theater stage pozpig
>who weaponized devout Judaism on everyone around him.
havent been following this case. explain.
i saw on wiki he's ortho. was wendi not? why would an ortho marry a non-ortho jewess?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49214139) |
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Date: August 26th, 2025 9:44 PM Author: spectacular theater stage pozpig
rofl @ this:
A friend of Markel told 20/20 that the couple’s parents agreed to split the cost of the Dan/Wendi Jewish wedding (2006). Dan wanted a kosher caterer and he was sure that Wendi’s parents, who were hiring the caterer, would honor his request. His friend said that Dan was shocked, on his wedding day, that the food wasn’t kosher. It was a “omen”, the friend said, of bad things to come.
https://www.jewishtampa.com/jews-in-the-news/dan-markel
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Date: August 26th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: ungodly insanely creepy codepig
?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/fsu-law-professors-boyfriend-claims-brother-talked-killing/story?id=42065242“She [Wendi Adelson] told me that Charlie had looked into having Danny killed in the summer of 2013,” Lacasse told an investigator during a 2015 videotaped interview.
“She meant it, dead serious,” Lacasse continued. “I would joke around, saying I’d like to kill Danny Markel. ... That is different. She said it in a dead serious, chilling, uncomfortable way. ... In the moment, my stomach flipped. I was like, ‘Whoa.’”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49214270) |
Date: August 26th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: floppy messiness Subject: Katie takes the stand
https://youtu.be/QFiFRWIbs-U
"Why did you lie when you took the stand in your own trial?"
Katie: "I was living a lie so long I didn't know how to accept the truth."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49214203) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 1:34 AM Author: floppy messiness
TSINAH potentially vindicated. One analyst said there's no reason to have testimony like Jeff in this case if not to get more and more info on Wendi into the public record. That they're building the foundation to charge Wendi all throughout this trial.
On the other hand there's growing concern that Georgia isn't doing enough to tie this all to Donna. At present Donna has too many outs. It's time to wrap with the foundation witnesses and go for the smoking gun. They need a big win here. Luckily the defense is going nowhere fast.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49215688) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 9:09 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
TRUE INSIDER HERE
State is exhausted and a bit shambolic, but managed / will manage to get several direct hits will result in quick guilty verdict:
1. Donna's emailing wendi "we are part of a team, we are a team". Lmao in a conspiracy case
2. Donna signing Katie's checks -- action in furtherance of conspiracy, literally CHECKED
3. Rob A's heartbreaking testimony - mom told me not to talk to FBI, when I already had mom responded "well you dont know anything anyway", that was last time I ever spoke to mom
4. Post bump Donna goes to conspirator Charlie
5. Donna flees to Nam due to guilty conscience
its over for donna.
Now on to wendi:
They need knowledge and participation in conspiracy and action in furtherance of conspiracy. They have knowledge through Jeff Lacasse saying she knew and told him. Action in furtherance? Hard. Rests critically on giving shortporch's travel schedule to killers. State will say Wendi HAD to be source of this info. Wendi's defense will say, she could have shared it innocently with mom or charlie.
That trial is a close one. Donna's done here
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49215990) |
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Date: August 27th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
actions in furtherance Im not as convinced
- The killers have Dan's schedule / whereabouts. Origin is clearly Wendi, but its reasonably doubtful that she knew that in sharing it she was setting up a murder.
- LaCasse testifies about possibly being set-up, but he's the only witness to this and he's a jilted lover. Also, the killers using similar car (not even same car) falls apart. Is there any evidence killers asked specifically for this car from rental company? Doubt it
I think Wendi knew, but was mostly kept out of loop by Charlie/donna. I think its a tough case against her
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216082)
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Date: August 27th, 2025 11:41 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
agree. the matter FEELS unresolved until she gets targeted. whole thing is preamble
i think a good chance a tally jury convicts her, for extra legal reasons. donna tried to move jx, but I bet wendi actually gets to, because there is so much fucking relevant evidence of her calling tally a complete shit hole.
another factor, i suspect at play, may be the state's genuine sympathy for the boys. they cannot simply be moved to markel grandparents. boys are secular jews in texas, final years of high school. markels are extremely elderly observant jews in small town canada. Lmao at traumatizing the kids by yanking them from their lives and depositing in canada. and honestly i dont think markel grandparents are even capable of parenting teens. would love to see Rob A volunteer to take them, behind the scenes
state may honestly want to wait till youngest is 18. Id est he is like 15 now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216417) |
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Date: August 27th, 2025 10:08 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
state and jeff's argument is that wendi coordinated that the killing happened when Jeff would be near Dan's house, done by someone in a similar car to Jeff.
jeff testifies that -- immed after a break up -- wendi strangely grilled him on his plans for upcoming murder date
then wendi in police interview day of murder, tells police maybe it was jeff
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as someone who believes wendi is in fact guilty, i also think theres a lot of reasonable doubt in the above argument
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216137) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 10:28 AM Author: Razzmatazz wrinkle
In addition to his scholarship, he was a consultant for the defense in a federal prosecution in New Jersey involving rabbis accused of extortion by the FBI.[31]
Oh what a legal scholar!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216182) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 12:41 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Looking at theories of defense so far
1. Rivera - no theory of defense, pled guilty
2. Garcia - theory of defense: went to Tally to buy drugs, Dan probably died in weird drug deal unrelated to me, haha
3. Katie - theory of defense: Garcia and Charlie may have set up murder behind my back, they spoke once after all. Fact is, I knew nothing
4. Charlie - theory of defense: I was being extorted by Garcia, jealous over Katie. Pay him or he'd kill my sister's ex.
5. Donna - theory of defense: honestly hasnt been expressed yet. I suppose it is: Charlie did this but I had no fucking idea, Im clueless.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216571)
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Date: August 27th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
ah ok tbf i cant listen to the female defense so skipped opening. was just going off their crosses, where they are basically doing nothing
when donna emails wendi "we are a team, charlie you dad and me are a team, now lets do this" etc, i guess she just closes with "a TEAM for the divorce; NOT A TEAM for the murder" lol
good luck with that donz
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216609) |
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Date: August 27th, 2025 12:55 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
she was kicked off the bench for ethical violations lol
and i agree. theyve scored zero points. maybe half a point with donna shared the donnaharvey@gmail
i hope they have something to show with D wits. I imagine theyre billing at least 100-200k. They have had to sit through 12 months of depos and read thousands of pages of disco, but theyre not earning shit so far in the courtroom
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49216626)
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Date: August 27th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: floppy messiness
How is the defense not calling out hearsay and leading every 5 seconds? This is the worst legal team under the sun. Witness just said 'Charlie supposedly said a joke to many people about buying Wendi a TV instead of a hitman'
Supposedly??? The defendant should be livid with her counsel
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49217422) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 7:26 PM Author: floppy messiness
https://youtu.be/XQMK-yw7130
Wendi admits to detectives that in the car ride to the police station, she wondered if she was a suspect. But she hadn't been told yet about Danny's murder. The detective said that he waited until she got to the jail to tell her (but she seemingly found out from her voicemail). You can see her stunned reaction when the detective tells her that Danny is dead. This contradicts testimony in two trials she gave that police informed her of Danny's death in the car ride to the station. She also admits to having a guilty conscience. An innocent person wouldn't be wondering if they were a suspect, and she wouldn't have known that Danny was dead.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49217566) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 2:10 AM Author: floppy messiness
I doubt it. Even though the evidence against Wendi is mounting it's still more likely than not that they never charge her.
If they do, it's because they have more evidence against her than they're letting on. Which Georgia has at times hinted at.
But no, they can't admit anything from the immunity testimony.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49218435) |
Date: August 27th, 2025 10:31 PM Author: floppy messiness
Donna texted Wendi on the morning of Danny's murder that the Best Buy repairman was coming to look at the TV. Remember that Danny much to his misfortune left a detailed phone voicemail about his whereabouts with Wendi earlier telling her exactly when he would be at the gym. Wendi then texts Charlie 'this is sweet!' to Donna. A text she later deleted before giving her phone to investigators. Fixing the TV was code between all of them for bumping Danny off.
Jfc Wendi was deep in it. Harvey may be next just get them all at this point. Even Robert probably knew. It's 0% a coincidence that Danny leaves a detailed message about where he's going to be and moments later Donna calls in the hit and Wendi texts Charlie that he's so sweet. Jfc these are true monsters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49217998) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 2:27 PM Author: floppy messiness
The break in the case was a law enforcement operation called 'The Bump'. Long story short the police found the most ghetto dude in the department, who was basically a fat Puerto Rican guy from New York with a Brooklyn accent (one defendant now serving life without parole called him a 'New Yorican nigga') to approach Donna in a ridiculous disguise on the street and hand her an envelope. In it was a letter that said your family is taking care of Katie and Sigfredo 'Tuto' Garcia but not doing anything for Luis 'Tato' Rivera. The letter mentioned that this guy knew about what Tato did for the Adelsons 'up North' (in Tallahassee) and wanted a pay out.
All the suspects in this case had their phones tapped and they were being tailed by law enforcement when they went out to meet in public. Any normal thinking person would intuit this was a police set up. The acting was atrocious but the cops were smart to target Donna who probably thought all Latino people were thugs.
All the conspirators basically cracked under the pressure. They all got really paranoid, started talking about it non stop over the phone using code words like using a real estate deal as a metaphor. They convinced themselves they really were being extorted by some gang members. They just kept spilling the beans on record. Charlie even called the police number which I thought was funny because he said it rang 30 times before anyone picked up which makes me think they were in an office and not some actual hoodlum.
Also any innocent person if they were being harassed by gang members would immediately call the police. They never did. They were afraid that the guy setting them up would go to the cops with information. This is classic one wrong move territory. All it took was some atrocious acting job by the police that any rational person would think is a police sting and they just went into a total frenzy. Giving away the bag. It's ironic because Charlie used to tell everyone he met that anyone can get away with murder as long as you keep your mouth shut. He did not keep his mouth shut. He went full retard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49219488) |
Date: August 28th, 2025 6:42 PM Author: floppy messiness
Judge Everett: "After conferring with attorneys we will have a little bit of an earlier recess this evening. You may continue."
Georgia: "Ah, these promises... *cheeky smirk*"
*laughter from the gallery*
Judge Everett: "The other way of saying it is we're going to hold you captive listening to phone calls. However, the pleasant way is the end is near. Ms. Cappleman."
*Evertt is laughing now, whole room is chuckling.
Georgia: "Torture will continue until morale improves."
WHAT'S HER MONIKER
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220121) |
Date: August 28th, 2025 7:12 PM Author: impertinent godawful nibblets
Wendi is going to be a difficult case unless Charlie or Donna sing. And I doubt either of them do. Donna will die in prison even if she agrees to testify and she's just glad her grandchildren are out of Dan's hands. And Charlie I guess has more reason to rat, but if he didn't plea to get Donna I don't think he would for Wendi either.
The case against her is pretty good but almost all circumstantial. The defense could even plausibly argue that maybe Wendi knew something was going to happen, but didn't participate in it. The link from the hitmen to Wendi is too attenuated right now.
I think the state should try anyway, but she'll probably walk which will be a tragedy. This family is evil thank God they're also unbelievably stupid.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220170) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 7:19 PM Author: floppy messiness
trial of the century if they put her on
fact: she is guilty and did know about it and was the primary beneficiary of the conspiracy
they may or may not have enough evidence to convict. better try than let her walk away.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220180) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: floppy messiness
Wendi could have come forward at any point in the years when her mother and brother were carrying on with life as if nothing had happened, enjoying time with the grandkids and nephews, living their ideal retirement with Danny out of the picture, blocking access from Danny's parents to see the kids. She could have stepped up and said I know something happened here and helped out the prosecution. Instead, nothing. Just an innocent dove. Oh, I had no idea why two gang members from South Florida drove to Tallahassee in the middle of an acrimonious custody dispute and offed my ex husband! It was just really fortunate and now I'm here in Miami living exactly how I had hoped to!
Danny wanted 3 things. He wanted location (Tallahassee, raise the kids in the marital home where they were born). He wanted education, I'm assuming private Hebrew school. And he wanted religion, Orthodox Jew. And Wendi wanted none of that. And she got to have everything her way. Oh, I didn't know! I couldn't have known! How was I to know?!
Burn the witch.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220233) |
Date: August 28th, 2025 10:50 PM Author: excitant casino dopamine
How is the sentiment ITT that the state might not try Wendi or that she might walk? She's guilty as sin, and if you told the average guy on the street the 90-second version of the case, he'd say, "obviously she knew about the plot and helped them execute it."
Wendi had an extremely strong motive for wanting Shortporch dead.
Wendi's mom and brother have been/will soon be convicted of hiring hitmen to kill him.
Wendi was critical to the plot insofar as the info about where Shortporch would be had to come from her.
She changed the kids' schedule to accommodate the hit.
She asked Jeff all about his schedule to put the hit on him.
And she inexplicably drove by the house the day of the murder.
Jurors may be dumb in the sense of being ill suited to assess whether a certain microchip infringes a patent or what appropriate damages are in a penis-burn case. But the basic evidence against Wendi is more than a jury would need to convict.
The state will charge Wendi. A jury will convict. They won't deliberate for long.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220698) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 11:29 PM Author: floppy messiness
That may or may not be true. Many real life crimdef lawyers covering this case think Wendi is still a longshot. A lot of it is based on circumstantial evidence. You have to have more than just she was the prime beneficiary of Danny's death in a murder for hire plot conducted by her mom and brother.
Donna and Charlie's fingerprints are on everything. They plotted it, found the people, wrote the checks, got caught on a wire acting extremely guilty, two co-conspirators testified against them. An unindicted co-conspirator (Wendi) testified against them. These are slam shut.
What changed is in the Donna trial a lot more has come out about Wendi, fueling public antipathy against her. But the state still has nowhere near the smoking gun they have against Charlie and Donna.
But sentiment is really moving against Wendi and more people feel like you do. The consensus building against Wendi is so what if we don't have a slam dunk case against her. Do it anyway. I think a lot of people are coming around to that. It's going to be a very difficult trial to put on. For instance in the Donna case 90% of the evidence so far has been about Donna's co-conspirators, indicted as well as unindicted. So we'll see. I think the will of the people is bubbling up to seek justice against Wendi. It's getting more and more likely to happen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220777) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 11:47 PM Author: floppy messiness
Adelson defense counsel ranked:
Wendi: ???
Charlie: B for creativity and a dogshit case
Donna: F, totally in over their heads
Wendi should call Karen Read. You gotta go out of state for this one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220803) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 12:46 AM Author: floppy messiness
https://i.redd.it/m3ntek2r2alf1.jpeg
somebody needed to poast this from Georgia's evidence, the cover of an Israeli version of Puss in Boots that Danny supposedly played for his kids to teach them Hebrew. Origin of the term 'Jibbers' or "Jew in Boots". Sadly Georgia skipped over this when grilling Wendi.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49220889) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
NEW EVIDENCE: donna had shortporch's vehicle and tag number in her daily planner from murder year.....
its over
imagine an innocent reason to have your ex-SIL's license plate number written in your planner
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49221493) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 12:26 PM Author: floppy messiness
Ljfl that Donna was caught on a hot jail mic talking about how Wendi sent her a message saying my lawyer has advised me to not talk to my family at all and to not talk about the case. Wendi lawyering up against her own fam. Donna thought Wendi was being cold for not calling the fam to talk about how sad it was that Charlie was convicted. Wendi claiming 'it's not my fault how the prosecutor used my testimony! I had nothing to do with this and I did nothing wrong!'
This already shows how Wendi is preparing for trial and is not nearly as dumb as her mom and brother. Another main reason she may walk. Just hasn't been going around talking about it endlessly for years makes her seem innocent relative to her family.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49221841) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 2:28 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
State should have not used this WOC jailhouse snitch. She sucks, dumb as shit, cannot tell a straight story, contradicts her depo.
There really was no need for this, and if anything its the first time in the trial I have felt like Donna was being accused of anything false. Donna would never have answered the question, "Did you kill Markel?" with "Yes, to get my grandkids", esp to some black thugess. Lol. Some conniving jewess senior cit is just going to confess outright to a 75IQ black dyke
Greedy by the state, and an unforced error
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222190) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 3:12 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
far better
this handwriting expert wit is so fucking nervous it is painful to me. shaky breath, losing her shit. very uncomfortable
shouldnt forensic handwriting experts have some experience on the stand?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222306) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
some talk by judge that state could rest today or tuesday. Ive been waiting forever to watch them call the miami lawyers, for personal reasons.
tara kawass, david markus, etc.. but esp Sara Yousef, Wendi's "ex bff" from law school.
if state rests w/o calling these lolyers I will be maf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222311) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Stirring Ape Public Bath
Real talk, Jeff never had any prospect of being convicted for the murder.
How did they get the tutu/Tata or whatever?
Cell phone geolocation
Jeff would obviously have his lawyer subpoena the cell phone records which would show he was engaged in his regular routine at that time, and probably there would be witnesses placing him at those locations as well.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222340) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 4:40 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
the state and fed response to this killing was surprisingly energetic and competent.
i would imagine none of the jews involved (apart from crim procedure professor dan) expected such an investigation
they probably thought "pretty good line of separation btwn the jews and the hispanics here", neighbor or someone is just going to see a car and this will go nowhere, worst case lacasse is suspected
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222463) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 4:53 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
FUCKING SHIT, FUCKING STATE RESTS
DID NOT CALL ANY OF THE LAWYERS
Def wits are going to be shit. "Im donna's old friend from california she was always interested in vietnam" etc.
Then I think Donna will testify and thats it.
Closings wednesday and thursday. Verdict before weekend
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222477) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 6:50 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Bet she’s gonna be weepy
“I believed Charlie was being extorted
I wanted to die, I wanted to flee but not out of guilt just away from prying eyes
I LOVED those boys but I had no idea of any plot.” *weeps*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222754) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: green library stain
Jailhouse snitch testimony is such a joke.
Ok I take it back Donna wrote a script for an inmate!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49222956) |
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Date: August 29th, 2025 9:40 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
black snitch seemed too dumb to resist sweetening up her testimony
white snitch was much more credible, and the handwriting was clearly donna's. not to mention, lol, that donna scripted her saying "i read it in the newspaper". Like anyone under 70, much less some 20+ felonies meth head prostitute, reads a newspaper
that detail alone proved white snitch was really telling the truth and donna really was stupid enough to solicit her perjury
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49223107) |
Date: August 29th, 2025 9:44 PM Author: green library stain
The WORST Defense Strategy EVER Seen In A Courtroom!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKJ_E6OyM3I
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49223124)
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Date: August 29th, 2025 10:31 PM Author: floppy messiness
It's all they've got. Question is would you admit that Donna knew anything but knowing of a conspiracy isn't murder 1? Maybe lesser charge?
When Donna takes the stand she will be forced to confront whether she knew about it at all. If she says yes she's toast. If you agree with some of the state's narrative you look totally complicit.
Jackie said she was going to disprove all the charges. So Donna has to explain why she's on all the wiretaps panicking and talking to Charlie like she knows. She's fucked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49223362) |
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Date: August 30th, 2025 12:52 PM Author: floppy messiness
She's not the sharpest tool in the shed. She didn't have a valid passport ready to go. Boomer doesn't know she's on a recorded line. Admits she doesn't get computers.
This is a family that spewed an incredible amount of evidence they committed a murder for hire. They just couldn't help themselves. I think any rational person with their head screwed on would have known the Bump was law enforcement. The acting was so bad. No one picked up that it was a sting except Sigfredo Garcia but they didn't listen to him.
They were in so far over their heads. So yes why did she do anything. She's a retard. She could have bought a house in Tallahassee and seen her grandkids any time. But she's an egotistical moron she's gonna end up in prison over an hour flight.
She could have been on the call telling Charlie she didn't know what he was talking about and to go to the police if he was being extorted. Guilty people act incredibly guilty.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49224186) |
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Date: August 30th, 2025 8:20 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
presuming a majority, or even all of the current evidence gets in and BAM you find yourself at opening, standing at the defense podium..... (Seems kind of outside the hypo to say 'defense should have advised her not to commit murder!')
imo you have to craft this defense on the state being overzealous and motivated by the popularity of this case. You cannot credibly re-try the already convicted people. So its established fact that Tato and Tuto killed shortporch, after being hired by Charlie via Katie, to spring Wendi from her annoying ex.
Own all of that and simply distance Donna. Hard to do with the evidence, but remember at all times the chain is linked Donna - Charlie - Katie - killers.
You just need to break/obscure that first link, and you do so by constantly painting Donna as a dimwit who knew nothing of criminality, but obsessively loved her idiot son Charlie.
Charlie concocts this whole thing. Charlie keeps it a secret. Charlie tells his mom, hire Katie, do this do that. Mom does everything, slavishly, without any real understanding of what is happening.
Mom having reasonable suspicion maybe her boy was up to no good is NOT furthering a conspiracy. Its simply really immoral and bad parenting. Maybe eat some accessory after the fact charge? Anyway, Main Story #1 is Donna is an imbecile grandma, who could be surrounded by crimes without realizing.
Main Story #2 is that these cases are making the prosecutors so famous, on 20/20 and in national news, that they are riding a gravy train and now EVEN COMING AFTER GRANDMA just to maintain fame.
Of course grandma was flying to vietnam. She was, at the same time, planning her suicide. She just wanted to die, disappear, vanish from earth, etc. Her baby boy was just convicted and he HAD BEEN USING HER THE WHOLE TIME, WITHOUT HER KNOWING. She wanted death, and vietnam is the same thing.
In a sentence, Donna is victim of Charlie and the ravenous prosecutors.
Thats how you fucking defend this case. Attack Charlie, attack the prosecutors, paint Donna as insanely in love with her son -- and you have reams of evidence to support each point. Probably still lose, but its better than using "every element beyond a reasonable doubt" as your story
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49225086) |
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49227390) |
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Date: September 1st, 2025 12:01 PM Author: floppy messiness
Yeah also ljl at Donna on the jail call she didn't hang up being like "I don't even know why my son is in prison for life! We have to do something to get him out of there!" like lady I think you know why lmao. I think you know why you packed for Vietnam.
This is a case where these people are so far gone from reality and have been for ages. They're so entrenched in their criminal mindset that nothing is going to hit them until the sentence is read and they're hauled off.
As discussed previously ITT Wendi is the only one who seems to have any wits about her as to why the state keeps going after this horrible family.
No one thinks Harvey planned any of this but he's been living in a den of vipers for decades. It's like, you never noticed the carnage all around you? Sure, bud, sure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49228166) |
Date: September 2nd, 2025 8:43 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
Defense first argument for Judgment of Acquittal happening now. Standard: state failed to make prima facie case, in light most favorable to the state. Always unwinnable, but preview of closing
Their whole argument is Charlie and Wendi did this. Brutal mothering.
If Donna takes the stand this week, she will likely throw her kids under the bus, which could be tipping point to secure PC for Wendi's arrest.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230349) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 8:46 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
Lmao based fat black judge, interrupting JOA argument:
"'Inferences'? You mean inferences PLUS a confession?"
lmao. Judge buys the snitch testimony.
Defensebro: "lol judge Im getting to that...."
5 min later, D-bro: "Judge the confession was only to writing the checks, after the murd--"
Judge: "- we could get the court reporter to read the transcript, but go ahead counsel, lol"
5 min later, judge: "In evidence are allegations of suborning perjury and attempting to flee, your response counsel?"
D-bro: Judge um we ask for judgment of acquittal
real talk, the trial procedure requires a motion for JOA. Sometimes its best just to read the statute and sit down. "In a light most favorable to the state, the state has failed to prove a prima facie case of first degree murder", Sit Down. No need to humiliate yourself in front of judge. Make your dumb argument to jury
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230352) |
Date: September 2nd, 2025 9:04 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
JOA defeated.
Sidebar now on "advice to counsel" from last week. I suspect D lawyers have shared with judge that Donna is not taking their counsel. Last week, before snitch testimony, judge put donna under oath and put her on record endorsing defense strategy on how to cross snitches.
Reading btwn lines, I think defense bros are telling judge, "our client wont listen to shit, and is insisting we do things her way." I suspect this will now come to a head with regard to defendant testifying.
These lawyers know shes cooked
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230394) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
cant imagine a lawyer would allow self to be called ineffective.
Number 1, this is their highest profile case and not worth damaging their rep
Number 2, in any future a "rule 3" inquiry they would have to come to court for very long days to give testimony, all unpaid, and designed to humiliate.
they aint doing that shit
theyre actually protecting themselves from rule 3 / ineffective headaches by constantly telling the judge, "we advised her X on date Y, and she is not listening and insisting we do A, B, C. Please colloquy her on the record, so she cannot later say this wasnt her idea"
What's more -- first defense wit is a BIG deal, jury has been waiting 3 weeks to hear wtf donna could possibly offer them. She called a little old lady who says "harv's a good dentist, donna is sweet, and she stays in our Naples house and never once murdered anyone in front of us"
lmao, that's their best wit?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230459)
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 11:45 AM Author: bisexual vibrant haunted graveyard regret
holy shit can't believe i've missed all this. We've been waiting years for this trial
someone catch me up in like two paragraphs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230743) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2025 12:11 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Good news: State slowly and progressively leaking evidence against Wendi in this trial, which theyve already won.
Bad news: Wendi's been gaining weight and getting facial injections
At this rate, her 2027 trial will be disgusting
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49230807) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 9:02 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
So first the court will conduct what most judges now call a Richard Hearing. This is a euphemism for "Dick Hearing" of course, and the legal issue at play is whether the witness demonstrates any symptoms of genital arousal or disturbance when confronted with the testimony he should not have heard.
Problem is, the standard in FL for this hearing is mere preponderance of the evidence. Which means if any court personnel even think they see the guy's penis move, its likely proven that he is aroused or disturbed or in some way excited by what he has heard.
Which means his subsequent testimony was tainted, and the curative is castration of the witness. Florida relies on this ridiculous antebellum jurisprudence on the connection between "testimony" and "testes", etc.
Its honestly something the feds need to address
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233012) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 10:35 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
lol they broke the rule of sequestration TWICE
defense in shambles
im honestly re-thinking whether they are now fishing for appellate topics. sequestration is a basic thing, and the first one apparently was an accident. the second one was KNOWN to be happening by the defense, and exclusion is almost a given.
Now the guilty verdict will likely have an excluded expert wit. Big deal for appeal. Judge should be MAF
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233209) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 11:10 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
lol i checked out and checked back in. judge didnt exclude her.
probably smart. Verdict is already a given, so minimize app issues.
Defense will now have to find a way to mistry this. Should get a wit to blurt something in front of jury. I heard that Robert Adelson's depo included some racial slur that Donna would use. My bet is "nigger", maybe "goy" lol.
Defense needs to get the jury to hear this somehow, then move for mistrial
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233317) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 1:41 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Not a big fan of Georgia Cappelman, and never a fan of watching ASAs try to cross witnesses, but she just did v. well crossing the family lawyer.
Fam lawyer expert was brought in to argue, basically, Wendi's divorce was nbd, not at all contentious, and therefore no reason to trigger a murder.
Georgia called her on being a dumb fucking lawyer who has no idea how normies are affected by divorce and custody issues. "Ever have a client suicide because of divorce proceedings?" Georgia asked, which I HIGHLY SUSPECT she just adlibbed.
"One crazy fucking muslim," the lawyer had to admit. "But thats cause he's from fucking Iran or some such hell hole where divorce is shameful."
Couldnt have been scripted better for the cross exam.
PS we are now seeing Wendi's defense: The divorce was OVER and SETTLED, and by the way was nbd, hardly contentious. Here's a train of female divorce lawyers to explain that, in their professional opinion, this divorce was nothingburger (except when shortporch mansplained things), and Wendi was now a strong and content divorcee with a big happy clit and black sista friends, with no reason at all to kill anyone over a divorce that happened, like, a million years ago, ancient history, hahaha
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233912) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 2:11 PM Author: floppy messiness
This isn't just Wendi's defense it's Donna's too. They haven't hit back on any of the murder for hire evidence and Donna's connection to Charlie. But they're hoping that the jury wasn't paying attention at all and last week was a long time ago.
The pitch is that the divorce was nbd, no one was rattled by it, the state has been hyperbolic about Donna's emails. Everyone gets emotional around divorce but it wasn't that big a deal. The whole thing was settled and there was no motive for Donna. Charlie is crazy and we have no idea why he set this up. Anyways, gotta go.
I think at this point the defense is as close as they can get to acquittal. I wouldn't even put Donna on which would backfire. Just hope and pray at this point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233982) |
Date: September 3rd, 2025 1:48 PM Author: Narrow-minded Heady Goyim
i thought wendi got immunity? why is everyone talking about her getting charged after this old bitch goes down?
i cannot believe a poaster got murdered.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49233922) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 6:44 PM Author: exciting mauve international law enforcement agency
hearing her say "I didn't do it" would be icing on the cake. We all know that she didn't do it. in fact, the state conceded that very point during its opening statement.
in this case, however, "it" refers to more than just pulling the trigger and includes any act done by or procured by donna that caused the death of markel.
honestly, if she were more likable, putting her on the stand to look the jury in the eye and testify that while she hated markel and wished he were dead, she never wished that anyone in her family would cause his death and that those responsible for the heinous act have been tried, convicted, and sentenced. in fact, if she were a more likable jew (I know, null set), leaning into the whole miami jew thing and testifying that her family's kike business was an orthodontics practice and as an endontist charlie printed money. He wouldn't have needed to borrow $15k or whatever the beaners charged.
She gets into trouble with Katie, though. Wasn't donna the practice's office manager? Essentially, she laundered the hit money through the practice by hiring Katie for a do-nothing position or whatever presumably to deduct the cost from their taxes (kikes will never change).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49234770) |
Date: September 3rd, 2025 3:59 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Its over. Long morning of JIs that the jury tunes out. State closing will be endless, interrupted only by an endless defense closing, then state's "rebuttal" also endless. All of tomorrow and perhaps then some.
Delib by Friday. Verdict friday before dinner. Jurors aint coming back Monday.
Guilty.
This whole trial has just felt like foreplay. Unsatisfying.
When Wendi is arrested, I fully expect Jeepmo to be called to the stand. XO was literally creating relevant and probative evidence in those days. A decent defense lawyer would get Jeepmos posting history in as evidence and wendi actually has a good one
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49234305) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2025 4:23 PM Author: Deep genital piercing
Robert carried the day.
"Mom, wow, the FBI contacted me."
"Do NOT talk to them."
"But I already did."
"That's fine. YOU don't know anything."
And then... "My conscious was bothering me, so I contacted them again."
Finally, to: "And how did your mother respond?"
"I don't know. I never heard from her again."
*Fatality*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49234436) |
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Date: September 4th, 2025 12:01 AM Author: floppy messiness
The defense is trying to disprove motive. Wendi and Danny got along. The divorce wasn't contentious. The divorce actually went fine. The custody arrangement wasn't that big a deal. Yes they said some mean things to each other in court motions. Big whoop. They were getting along fine. No reason for Donna to have a bug up her ass about it. The state cherry picked emails but that's not the whole story. There were ups and downs but Wendi and Donna were mostly chill and not freaking out all the time.
You see, you convince a jury that the divorce and relocation wasn't this hotly contested thing, it takes a lot of pressure off Donna. OK so she was pretty chill, no issue with Danny, no reason to do this. Then they can say well we'll never know why Charlie did this. But he acted alone.
This is actually not a bad defense. They seem to have discredited the jail house snitch. Assume you take a very rosy view of Donna Adelson that she's just this nice old grandma, that she was never irate about relocation. That she never confessed to anything or tried to flee to Vietnam, you're left with an outside chance of acquittal so long as the jury doesn't buy the states evidence. Conversely if the jurors believe Donna was turbo mad about relocating the motive is glaring and Donna is cooked. This witness is so in the tank for the Adelsons you wonder if she's on the payroll. "Yeah this custody battle wasn't contentious at all. By all accounts most people believe my client hired two hoodlums to bump off my son in law so I could take the kids to South Florida. But yeah, very routine proceedings. Very chill, mostly no one cared." ljl hopefully this backfires and the jury is mad as hell.
It's still 70/30 convict imo but it felt like 90/10 when the state rested. The defense clawed back a few points and left Donna with a couple outs. I think though that if the jury really look at the state's evidence, she's still completely cooked. It's still 'convict' but maybe we get totally surprised by the jury. They have to put on their thinking caps and look at the overwhelming evidence against her. Will they? Time will tell.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49235424) |
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Date: September 4th, 2025 7:33 AM Author: Deep genital piercing
It was a rare misstep by Everett. It was like 3:30PM, he could have ended early and allowed first degree murder defendant to announce her decision at 8am.
I get that she has been in custody two years, and that the trial has lasted weeks, and that she had a long weekend, plus an early recess earlier in the week, all to prepare to make this decision.
And that every other criminal defendant so situated, must have their decision ready by the defenses last witness.
But whatever, break for the day.
Having said that, it is no app issue.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49235647) |
Date: September 4th, 2025 4:35 PM Author: floppy messiness
Defense closing: Charlie and Wendi did it
Georgia's rebuttal: throws up her hands, yall aren't stupid enough to believe the defense lol
Jury's deliberating now
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49236752) |
Date: September 4th, 2025 7:49 PM Author: Silver Brunch
GUILTY!!!
Check out Donna's meltdown when the verdict is announced. I'm trying to share a link, but it doesn't look like there is a way to link to a specific time point during a live stream. I'll poast when the live stream finishes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49237271) |
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Date: September 4th, 2025 8:39 PM Author: Silver Brunch
Link to Donna's meltdown:
https://www.youtube.com/live/v2sstvAsp-s?si=ROKDwluLtSSxY4m7&t=332
Incredibly satisfying to watch. Hopefully we get to see a BPD meltdown from Wendi when her verdict is announced some time soon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49237402) |
Date: September 6th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: Narrow-minded Heady Goyim
i recall HAtp pointing out how badly the defense did. holy christ, i am watching robert adelson's testimony and the defense didn't object to virtually any of the leading questions, and the questions were all leading.
"would you say your mom is, like, an angry person?"
"yes"
"does she take a whole lot of interest in her grandkids, or does she kinda not care?"
"oh, she takes a lot of interest"
wtf. i've heard a couple hearsay objections (which were sustained), but this is awful lawyering by the defense.
and LMFAO at your own son testifying against you. donna must be a turbocunt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49240469) |
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Date: September 6th, 2025 2:20 PM Author: Silver Brunch
Did you watch the opening statements? Holy fucking shit. The defense's opening statement was like 20 minutes long, most of which was spent talking about how sad it was that Dan Markel got murdered. It's like, is this an opening for the prosecution?
The other egregious error, IMHO, is that the defense made absolutely zero attempt to refute any of the "bump" conversations. Granted, there was only so much that they could do, but you could at least ask a few questions to muddy the waters a bit:
"After playing eight hours of recorded conversations, isn't it true that there is not a single mention of Dan Markel, much less a discussion of a murder for hire plot? And isn't it true there isn't a single conversation where my client talks about paying Katie for the murder? And isn't it true that Charlie Adelson clearly stated that Katie worked on weekends, so his mother would not have seen her in the office?" All it takes is for one juror to think, "Holy shit. After making me listen to recorded calls all day, there is no smoking gun on here. Maybe the prosecution is blowing smoke." Instead they made basically zero effort to refute any of it either during cross examination or closing statements.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49241149) |
Date: October 13th, 2025 4:05 PM
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i will be filing an appeal!
lol.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764993&forum_id=2Elisa#49346650) |
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