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biglaw firms need to get their shit together re: en dashes and em dashes

I see even the most elite firms (literally Wachtell and Crav...
Vivacious misanthropic principal's office
  03/19/18
Two hyphens for em dashes isn't that bad. It's just ugly.
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  03/19/18
it's despicable
Vivacious misanthropic principal's office
  03/19/18
Saw a guy get fired for this and straight up walked out befo...
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  03/19/18
Real pain in the ass in patent cases because you can’t just ...
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  03/19/18
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i correct every goddamn one. the founding fathers talked ab...
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  03/22/18
Good job man. We’d be friends.
Vivacious misanthropic principal's office
  05/12/18
This is a little known fact: the CAFC shreds your brief if t...
Unholy french friendly grandma
  05/12/18
Btw, why can’t you use the replace function in patent cases?...
Vivacious misanthropic principal's office
  05/12/18
It flips them all so they curl away from the number.
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  05/14/18
two hyphens all day, fuck trying to find the button for em b...
wonderful demanding old irish cottage
  03/19/18
you can typically just use a voice command ime
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  03/19/18
Using hyphens instead of en dashes to save a line when faced...
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  03/19/18
Honestly the one situation where I have been tempted to use ...
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  03/19/18
You could have avoided all this just by doing better in HS c...
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Most lawyers did just fine in HS math.
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sooty orchestra pit
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This is conscious rules flouting and robs you of your plausi...
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  03/19/18
Very TTT. But who's going to check?
sooty orchestra pit
  05/14/18
People who care about this are what make biglaw miserable, f...
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  03/19/18
"bake?" oh shit, I just proved your point. Bake me...
arrogant spot
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That took several hours per my notebook of billables.
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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

I see even the most elite firms (literally Wachtell and Cravath and Kellog and other top places) file briefs using hyphens instead of en dashes and using en dashes or, god forbid, two hyphens for em dashes. get it together motherfuckers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641306)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: sooty orchestra pit

Two hyphens for em dashes isn't that bad. It's just ugly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641398)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

it's despicable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641410)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: Chocolate filthpig sanctuary

Saw a guy get fired for this and straight up walked out before he jumped off the roof

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641317)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop

lmfao that you're dealing with firms that aren't employing, at a minimum, the trendash. Point to fact, in times of great exigency, I've gone so far as to make use of a pentadash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641319)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Trip Karate Philosopher-king



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: exciting chapel dopamine



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop



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Date: August 4th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: honey-headed half-breed candlestick maker

Trendash for life. What the fuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641323)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: deranged fat ankles



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

This literally does not exist in the English language. I have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641347)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641352)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

I'm open to hearing an explanation. But I consider myself a punctuation hardliner and literally have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641383)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: arrogant spot

Check out Eats, Shoots, and Trendashes

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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: shaky dashing theater stage



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: fragrant spruce psychic depressive



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:08 PM
Author: Passionate Pale Roast Beef



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: shaky dashing theater stage



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: stirring vengeful alpha



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Spectacular cyan immigrant

Is this flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641326)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Metal Gay Wizard

Square apostrophes are the worst. I mean, show a little effort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641333)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: Sticky hall

Real pain in the ass in patent cases because you can’t just replace all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641407)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:16 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

You know what is really fucking insane is when people point the apostrophe the wrong way in patent cases. You see this all the time. Probably greater than 50% of the time, a biglaw firm will write about the 999 patent and have the apostrophe at the beginning pointing the wrong way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641435)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: excitant gas station bbw

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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35652523)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: arrogant spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641869)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: aromatic cerise station

i correct every goddamn one. the founding fathers talked about patents in the goddamn constitution for fucks sake show a little respect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35658723)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:01 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

Good job man. We’d be friends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36038907)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Unholy french friendly grandma

This is a little known fact: the CAFC shreds your brief if they see a straight or backwards quote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36038931)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

Btw, why can’t you use the replace function in patent cases??? I’d like an explanation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36038946)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Unholy french friendly grandma

It flips them all so they curl away from the number.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36050278)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage

two hyphens all day, fuck trying to find the button for em bash all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641336)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop

you can typically just use a voice command ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641345)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:06 PM
Author: grizzly market

Using hyphens instead of en dashes to save a line when faced with a page limit: decadent or shrewd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641343)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:09 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

Honestly the one situation where I have been tempted to use a hyphen instead of an en dash (and, on occasion, have succumbed) is when faced with a strict word limit. If you use an en dash, Microsoft Word records the range as two words whereas it records a single word if you use a hyphen. But it is incorrect usage and I've always been tempted to call people out for violating the word count where they hit it exactly while employing 50 hyphens in the place of en dashes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641372)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: Spectacular cyan immigrant

You could have avoided all this just by doing better in HS calculus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641379)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: sapphire lascivious pit gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641390)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: sooty orchestra pit

Most lawyers did just fine in HS math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641414)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: Indigo National Headpube

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641395)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:15 PM
Author: sooty orchestra pit

Amateur!

Increase the font scale setting to increase the hyphen to 300%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641430)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: Vivacious misanthropic principal's office

This is conscious rules flouting and robs you of your plausible deniability. Many jurisdictions, for example Delaware, now require briefs to be filed in Word format.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641456)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: sooty orchestra pit

Very TTT.

But who's going to check?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36050314)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage

People who care about this are what make biglaw miserable, fyi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641582)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: arrogant spot

"bake?" oh shit, I just proved your point. Bake me away, toys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641586)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 9:36 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage

Damn you're fast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641601)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: arrogant spot

That took several hours per my notebook of billables.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641760)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:00 PM
Author: grizzly market

Brother, clients pay $620 an hour for us to care about this so we can maintain credibility and prestige with judges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641748)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Indigo National Headpube

Judge: Well, I was going to rule in defendant's favor, but then I noticed inconsistent em-dashes. Summary judgment for the plaintiff!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641758)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: wonderful demanding old irish cottage

nobody whose time has any value gives one solitary fuck about this. its all dipshit mid level associates one upping each other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35641868)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Cobalt Mood

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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: Tripping Legal Warrant Church

killself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35645224)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: bronze coiffed resort multi-billionaire

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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: Lavender voyeur

transhyphenist non bigot here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35645255)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: ungodly house-broken public bath

I see even the most elite firms -- literally Wachtell and Cravath and Kellog and other top places -- file briefs using hyphens instead of en dashes and using en dashes or -- god forbid -- two hyphens for em dashes. get it together motherfuckers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#35645274)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: beady-eyed infuriating police squad

This is — the credited criticism — so say I.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36038917)



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Date: May 12th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Unholy french friendly grandma

The SGs office is the last bastion of good writing in the profession. Their punctuation is always on point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36039460)



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Date: May 14th, 2018 7:39 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle theatre

Worrying about this is the ultimate no book of business tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923252&forum_id=2Elisa#36050530)