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damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily
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white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure
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white females dont get shot daily either
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like the one in minnesota
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it's barely a 3rd world country
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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:06 AM
Author: Puce Hot Roommate Casino

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/?google_editors_picks=true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#24109834)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:07 AM
Author: Claret histrionic parlour

I blame so-called diversity. America is doing GREAT if you exclude the browns and blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#24109838)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:09 AM
Author: Puce Hot Roommate Casino

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:11 AM
Author: tantric striped hyena filthpig

it's still not spectacular even if you do that, but the important thing to remember is that an america without minorities would be a socialist paradise much like sweden because we'd have higher levels of social trust which would help every single institution function better, political shitparties wouldn't be able to exploit racial divisions to pwn us with their corporatist agendas, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#24109847)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:20 AM
Author: Purple Massive Puppy

its more likely wed be a chinese style state: free market authoritarianism. the capitalist narrative is too strong in are country types to allow for socialism, but they give zero fucks about corporatism or really even corruption

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#24109874)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:23 AM
Author: Submissive Bonkers Hissy Fit

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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:21 AM
Author: well-lubricated field idea he suggested

this.

racism actually provides a sort of distraction for Americans. without racism, it'd just be outright ruthless competition with everyone like China.

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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:08 PM
Author: Lake insane wagecucks regret

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: geriatric plum water buffalo

what is the average weight of birdshit america?

divorce rate?

meth addiction?

education levels?

ljl birdshit amerikkka is not doing great u dumb moron

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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:22 AM
Author: geriatric plum water buffalo

Yes US birdshits are so thin and gorgeous with great family values and working hard studying STEM and stuff not snorting meth all day and trying to rape 12yo AZN girls.... Good stuff!

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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:07 PM
Author: Lake insane wagecucks regret

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:14 AM
Author: Diverse Onyx Dog Poop

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:15 AM
Author: house-broken spot headpube

Didn't read article. Why's having great prisons necessary for being a first world country? IMO, it would be better to have NO prisons at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#24109863)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:17 AM
Author: Submissive Bonkers Hissy Fit

the reason this won't work is a lot people would just commit crimes to get put in a sweet living situation that is way better than you can achieve on the outside. the dude who shot up the camp surely live better than debt strapped millenials.

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:35 AM
Author: tantric striped hyena filthpig

societies with high levels of altruism, community norms, personal investment in the public good, etc, can get away with it

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:42 AM
Author: Submissive Bonkers Hissy Fit

3 good hots. a nice bed. internet. tv. gym. health care. dentist. shrinks if you need it. better than i have lived since leaving ug.

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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:57 AM
Author: tantric striped hyena filthpig

I forgot to mention that these countries also have flatter income distributions than the US

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Date: September 25th, 2013 5:18 AM
Author: Submissive Bonkers Hissy Fit

who doesn't? we are up there with feudal europe.

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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:15 AM
Author: Dark degenerate institution

You could easily make a list of a million reasons why America sucks, but this isn't one of them

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Date: June 3rd, 2020 1:04 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

TIRED OF WINNING

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Date: May 26th, 2022 2:58 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

TIRED OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:29 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:13 AM
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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:15 AM
Author: twisted becky

maybe sit this one TF out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:18 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily

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Date: September 11th, 2025 2:03 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure

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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
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white females dont get shot daily either

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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:09 PM
Author: nyuug

like the one in minnesota

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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: nyuug

It's absolutely fine.

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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:15 PM
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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:17 PM
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Date: September 15th, 2025 8:25 PM
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Date: July 15th, 2024 12:20 AM
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Date: September 28th, 2025 5:27 PM
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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: geriatric plum water buffalo

Its what I'd call a "fourth world" country. It has TONS of things that dont exist in real first world countries like gun violence or mass obesity but these things also don't exist in most "third world" countries. The US is really unique in how furking shit it is. Truly amazing what a shithole country has been created, Mexico looks like it has a brighter future.

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:34 AM
Author: Infuriating dun pocket flask

most americans don't even have $1,000 saved up for an emergency. even syrian refugees could come up with a few grand to escape when the war started.

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:35 AM
Author: Titillating nofapping crackhouse

jfc

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:39 AM
Author: Claret histrionic parlour

Yet somehow the proles I work with all have the latest "phone" with every accessory hmmm

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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:45 AM
Author: Infuriating dun pocket flask

too bad no faggy "apps" cause sterilization

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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:11 PM
Author: mauve hominid bawdyhouse

It's almost like the rise of the nuclear family destroys cultures

You know is doing fine? Proles who live near extended family. Got a kid? Fifty different cousins can come by to take care of the kid when you're sick or have to travel for work.

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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:10 PM
Author: hilarious twinkling uncleanness

it's barely a 3rd world country

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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: grizzly swashbuckling keepsake machete

Lololol. Oh jeez what is the difference? What policy do the Scandinavians have that we just need to adopt that will make everything here work like everything there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#44723277)



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Date: March 25th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: Heady shimmering cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#47526734)



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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:23 AM
Author: geriatric plum water buffalo

The US was never first world anyway these terms are stupid now so much of what u birdbrains consider third world does many things better than US... Like wtf are there barely any hobos or mentally deranged or fats in Laos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#47530796)



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: tan center friendly grandma

is the implication that america is third world because we dont have enough Anders Breiviks and we don't reward them with things like Console Gaming for their Acts of Heroism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Elisa#49186467)