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Are heated floors in a bathroom worth it?

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Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
Are you a woman
sable ticket booth
  10/16/25
ive literally never walked onto a bathroom floor and thought...
laughsome cuckoldry
  10/16/25
once you get used to then you don’t want to live witho...
vengeful stubborn gaming laptop
  10/16/25
All the more reason to NOT get them in the first place
swashbuckling church
  10/16/25
if they break you just go back to normal floors, why would y...
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
my buddy had them break in his fancy new marble bathroom. ha...
laughsome cuckoldry
  10/16/25
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thriller saffron spot cuckold
  10/16/25
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Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
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Stimulating cruel-hearted internal respiration business firm
  10/16/25
Buddy of mine. Marble floored mansion. Tp
sable ticket booth
  10/16/25
mods
female penis
  10/16/25
Yep, all those wires.. Not like they can leak electricity a...
Diane Rehm talking dirty
  10/17/25
don't you live in shithole atlanta?
filthy stock car orchestra pit
  10/16/25
yes but I don't understand why this is relevant it gets ...
michael doodikoff
  10/17/25
If you can afford to spend money on it, yeah Tile I assum...
comical cruise ship coldplay fan
  10/16/25
yea
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
Yeah it's worth. You've already spent so much money anyway. ...
comical cruise ship coldplay fan
  10/16/25
haha yeah
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
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thriller saffron spot cuckold
  10/16/25
he's brown and poor
Hang Kikelensky NOW
  10/17/25
No just wear slippers
Stimulating cruel-hearted internal respiration business firm
  10/16/25
Heated floors and heated towel racks are so completely unggg...
Frum chapel
  10/16/25
So true, fellow heterosexual man But yeah he's actually r...
comical cruise ship coldplay fan
  10/16/25
Pretty sure fulano is a gay bottom
Bistre concupiscible kitchen
  10/16/25
heated towel racks have SHIT PURE SHIT reviews unless they a...
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
OP is a retarded desert creature who needs to go back
vengeful stubborn gaming laptop
  10/16/25
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Hang Kikelensky NOW
  10/17/25
Headed towel racks lack aesthetics
wait till biggus dickus hears of this
  10/16/25
No just wear diapers
Awkward community account
  10/16/25
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sable ticket booth
  10/16/25
too much comfort in life is a seductive poison
Odious pozpig son of senegal
  10/16/25
titcr
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
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flatulent azn hospital
  10/16/25
it's also just another complication that can break and cause...
flatulent azn hospital
  10/16/25
there is something to be said for this
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
Yes: it's retarded
wait till biggus dickus hears of this
  10/16/25
CR. I see this even with my $100K yukon xl denali ultimate....
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  10/17/25
Note that the reason they have heated floors in the bathroom...
Violent territorial nibblets menage
  10/16/25
Additionally, in many countries they don't have fan spending...
Violent territorial nibblets menage
  10/16/25
Yeah my euro apts did underfloor heating and it was a really...
Frum chapel
  10/16/25
thanks jeeves
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
dont pay for shit like that. you can spend the money you sav...
Excitant Chartreuse Striped Hyena
  10/16/25
seriously though, my Paralegal bro, if its just a average ba...
Awkward community account
  10/16/25
yeah honestly the mats are pretty cheap and the install seem...
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
maybe if you're a CONTRACTORCUCK that would hire an electric...
contagious field half-breed
  10/16/25
i've hired GC to remodel my bathroom so yeah i'd ask his ele...
Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner
  10/16/25
if doing a full remodel, absolutely no reason not to do this...
Long TERF War for PeterBoi Poon
  10/20/25
most euros also have a boiler for radiator heat and adding a...
flatulent azn hospital
  10/16/25
goy
elite range
  10/16/25
it's not worth it from any kind of objective viewpoint. it's...
filthy stock car orchestra pit
  10/16/25
Maybe if you're a donkey faggot from a desert. I prefer to f...
Bistre concupiscible kitchen
  10/16/25
he is a brown desert nigger
Hang Kikelensky NOW
  10/17/25
no, when I get out of the shower I step onto my bathmat, whi...
Alcoholic party of the first part
  10/16/25
He's brown
goy orbison
  10/16/25
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Ass Sunstein
  10/16/25
tough to say without hearing the cost. it's nice if you've ...
Kenneth Play
  10/16/25
I have never thought my bathroom floors were cold, nor do I ...
Ass Sunstein
  10/16/25
I wear slippers/houseshoes at all times, so wouldn’t g...
I only jerk off to Hailee Steinfeld
  10/16/25
Yeah I got nice Totos. Pretty excited about that.
Paralegal Mohammad
  10/16/25
180. It’s a great purchase. We ended up with the Kohle...
I only jerk off to Hailee Steinfeld
  10/16/25
Jesus christ, I didn't realize how pussy everyone has become...
Fucking Fuckface
  10/17/25
You should embrace comfort as much as discomfort.
Salivary Stoned
  10/20/25
If there are cold winters where you live, heated floors are ...
Salivary Stoned
  10/20/25
CR- No rug cucks here
Long TERF War for PeterBoi Poon
  10/20/25
rugcucks fucked 4 lyfe
Charlie Kirk Did Nothing Wrong
  10/20/25


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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:25 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353681)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:27 PM
Author: sable ticket booth

Are you a woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353691)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: laughsome cuckoldry

ive literally never walked onto a bathroom floor and thought "man I wish these were heated"

seems like some shit that would just eventually break and you have to rip up all of your bathroom tiles to fix it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353697)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:33 PM
Author: vengeful stubborn gaming laptop

once you get used to then you don’t want to live without them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353710)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:48 PM
Author: swashbuckling church

All the more reason to NOT get them in the first place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353898)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

if they break you just go back to normal floors, why would you have to rip out anything? but for the record based on my research it seems they don't really break, the wiring is pretty simple. you're more likely to have the controller on the wall break and that's an easy replacement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353738)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:09 PM
Author: laughsome cuckoldry

my buddy had them break in his fancy new marble bathroom. had to rip all of the marble out to fix it. Just my two cents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353798)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: thriller saffron spot cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353817)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353819)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:51 PM
Author: Stimulating cruel-hearted internal respiration business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353912)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: sable ticket booth

Buddy of mine. Marble floored mansion. Tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353923)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: female penis

mods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354737)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:05 AM
Author: Diane Rehm talking dirty (🐿️ )

Yep, all those wires.. Not like they can leak electricity and ruin your flooring, drywall, furniture, cabinets, foundation…

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354933)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:03 PM
Author: filthy stock car orchestra pit

don't you live in shithole atlanta?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353779)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:11 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

yes but I don't understand why this is relevant

it gets cold here too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355630)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:33 PM
Author: comical cruise ship coldplay fan

If you can afford to spend money on it, yeah

Tile I assume?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353708)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

yea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353739)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: comical cruise ship coldplay fan

Yeah it's worth. You've already spent so much money anyway. Why not spend a little more haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353747)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

haha yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353755)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: thriller saffron spot cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353818)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Hang Kikelensky NOW

he's brown and poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355634)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:35 PM
Author: Stimulating cruel-hearted internal respiration business firm

No just wear slippers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353714)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: Frum chapel

Heated floors and heated towel racks are so completely ungggghhhh that any one who doesn't have them has no concept of time or grace or death. It's just like talking to deaf cock roaches.

Do you like heated water in your shower? Derp seems completely unnecessary and complicated. Just do cold water for the rest of your life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353717)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: comical cruise ship coldplay fan

So true, fellow heterosexual man

But yeah he's actually right about this. They're cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353721)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: Bistre concupiscible kitchen

Pretty sure fulano is a gay bottom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353917)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

heated towel racks have SHIT PURE SHIT reviews unless they are four digits+ and that's just not worth it imho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353740)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: vengeful stubborn gaming laptop

OP is a retarded desert creature who needs to go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353782)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Hang Kikelensky NOW



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355635)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: wait till biggus dickus hears of this

Headed towel racks lack aesthetics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354201)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: Awkward community account

No just wear diapers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353722)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:38 PM
Author: sable ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353726)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:40 PM
Author: Odious pozpig son of senegal

too much comfort in life is a seductive poison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353733)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353741)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:58 PM
Author: flatulent azn hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353771)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: flatulent azn hospital

it's also just another complication that can break and cause a headache. i assume the floors rarely break, but when you fill your life with shit like this suddenly you're dealing with random problems all the time. i saw a story today how dan snyder's 300ft yacht broke and he had to fly in technicians to fix it. it just seems more trouble than it's worth. heated bathroom floors seem like one of those steps along the primrose path where eventually all your time becomes about maintaining the luxuries you've become accustomed to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353777)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:09 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

there is something to be said for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353797)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:37 PM
Author: wait till biggus dickus hears of this

Yes: it's retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354622)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

CR. I see this even with my $100K yukon xl denali ultimate. The fucking sensors quit working, and literally no one can repair them. The dealership tells you that you'll have to keep the car there for 25 business days before they'll even run a diagnostic, which is so non-serious I completely assume that it's designed exclusively to deter you from trying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355719)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Violent territorial nibblets menage

Note that the reason they have heated floors in the bathroom in many countries is not to heat the floor per se. It is because the radiators don't reach the bathrooms in those countries. It is mostly to warm up the bathroom on the hole, with warmth of the floor itself being a secondary benefit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353743)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Violent territorial nibblets menage

Additionally, in many countries they don't have fan spending the bathrooms, so even in the winter people will crack the window open to avoid mold further necessitating the heated floors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353749)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: Frum chapel

Yeah my euro apts did underfloor heating and it was a really great source given that it radiates and that's the one contact you're constantly interacting with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353752)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

thanks jeeves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353758)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:47 PM
Author: Excitant Chartreuse Striped Hyena

dont pay for shit like that. you can spend the money you save on, you know, heat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353744)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Awkward community account

seriously though, my Paralegal bro, if its just a average bathroom 100sqft, no not worth it, just get a rug, but if its some luxurious spa sized WC then yes maybe it is worth it.

lots of Euros have heated floor and heated towel rack, but no other heat in WC, so those two things are very needful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353745)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:51 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

yeah honestly the mats are pretty cheap and the install seems easy, but if i have to run new breakers to the panel downstairs that would add $$$

and brother i'm not getting new flooring to cover it with rugs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353757)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:06 PM
Author: contagious field half-breed

maybe if you're a CONTRACTORCUCK that would hire an electrician instead of just buying a roll of appropriately-sized romex and the breaker (unless you live in shitcago where local code requires all circuits to be in conduit in which case ljl)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353795)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:10 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle cordovan box office partner

i've hired GC to remodel my bathroom so yeah i'd ask his electrician to do it before they tile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353801)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:12 AM
Author: Long TERF War for PeterBoi Poon ( )

if doing a full remodel, absolutely no reason not to do this. unless you are a full rug-cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49361191)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: flatulent azn hospital

most euros also have a boiler for radiator heat and adding a heated floor/towel rack is equivalent to just adding another rad to an existing system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353780)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: elite range

goy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353781)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: filthy stock car orchestra pit

it's not worth it from any kind of objective viewpoint. it's a needless luxury but can be nice. the systems are extremely reliable so i wouldn't worry about it breaking down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353906)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Bistre concupiscible kitchen

Maybe if you're a donkey faggot from a desert. I prefer to feel cool floor under my bare feet. That's why I also love pebble beaches of Mediterranean or Adriatic. Sand and heat is for sandniggerd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353908)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Hang Kikelensky NOW

he is a brown desert nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355639)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: Alcoholic party of the first part

no, when I get out of the shower I step onto my bathmat, which is fine, towel off, then spend maybe 10 seconds standing barefoot on my tile then go to the bedroom and put on clothes, wtf are you doing standing around barefoot in your bathroom for an extended period of time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49353922)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
Author: goy orbison

He's brown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354576)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354591)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

tough to say without hearing the cost. it's nice if you've got it and it's cold, but by no means a must have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354562)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

I have never thought my bathroom floors were cold, nor do I spend more than 2 seconds walking on them with no bathmat in bare feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354592)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:24 PM
Author: I only jerk off to Hailee Steinfeld

I wear slippers/houseshoes at all times, so wouldn’t get them. I also agree that it’s one more complication that can break and create a headache and god knows we don’t need yet another overly complicated thing in life that doesn’t work right. And you don’t live in Siberia so there’s really not much utility.

Spend the money on a fancy toilet. We did that when redoing our master last year and I love it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354710)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: Paralegal Mohammad (Death, death to the IDF!)

Yeah I got nice Totos. Pretty excited about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354730)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 11:31 PM
Author: I only jerk off to Hailee Steinfeld

180. It’s a great purchase. We ended up with the Kohler that looks like an egg. Tbf practically it’s not that different from the bidet seat we had before we renovated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49354868)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: Fucking Fuckface

Jesus christ, I didn't realize how pussy everyone has become until reading this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49355687)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:18 AM
Author: Salivary Stoned (xoentlaw@gmail.com)

You should embrace comfort as much as discomfort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49361200)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:15 AM
Author: Salivary Stoned (xoentlaw@gmail.com)

If there are cold winters where you live, heated floors are amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Elisa#49361194)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:25 AM
Author: Long TERF War for PeterBoi Poon ( )

CR- No rug cucks here

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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:27 AM
Author: Charlie Kirk Did Nothing Wrong (TDNW)

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