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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
mahogany fragrant pit
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
pink sweet tailpipe
  06/15/18
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thriller nofapping fanboi
  06/15/18
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thriller nofapping fanboi
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Charcoal hairless piazza
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  02/12/22
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Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Submissive reading party
  06/15/18
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thriller nofapping fanboi
  06/15/18
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honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Submissive reading party
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
purple mind-boggling chapel marketing idea
  06/15/18
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Green frozen box office corn cake
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
thriller nofapping fanboi
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
sooty bossy background story crotch
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Bronze stirring deer antler
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
umber razzle stage pistol
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Charcoal hairless piazza
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Submissive reading party
  06/15/18
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Green frozen box office corn cake
  06/15/18
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honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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thriller nofapping fanboi
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pink sweet tailpipe
  06/15/18
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honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
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umber razzle stage pistol
  06/15/18
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filthy useless brakes therapy
  06/15/18
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honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
  02/15/21
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filthy useless brakes therapy
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  10/06/21
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
infuriating blood rage whorehouse
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
marvelous kitchen sandwich
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
marvelous kitchen sandwich
  06/15/18
Explain
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
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filthy useless brakes therapy
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
cyan arousing mood office
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Low-t Magenta Parlour Rigor
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  02/12/21
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cerebral godawful resort clown
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honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration
  02/15/21
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Galvanic codepig
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Soggy hairy legs church
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
bull headed striped hyena indian lodge
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
bull headed striped hyena indian lodge
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Burgundy locus
  02/12/21
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cerebral godawful resort clown
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Galvanic codepig
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Burgundy locus
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Adulterous boyish tanning salon
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Burgundy locus
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Adulterous boyish tanning salon
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Soggy hairy legs church
  02/12/21
lol no
Dull degenerate mother
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
spectacular grizzly temple
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
  06/29/21
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chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse
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Stimulating silver psychic filthpig
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
free-loading cracking tank azn
  10/06/21
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: mahogany fragrant pit

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: pink sweet tailpipe

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: thriller nofapping fanboi



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: thriller nofapping fanboi



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Charcoal hairless piazza

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: bistre judgmental pocket flask locale

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Submissive reading party

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: thriller nofapping fanboi



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Submissive reading party

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: purple mind-boggling chapel marketing idea

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Green frozen box office corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: thriller nofapping fanboi

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: sooty bossy background story crotch

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Bronze stirring deer antler

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: umber razzle stage pistol

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Charcoal hairless piazza

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Submissive reading party

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Green frozen box office corn cake



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Electric Fishy Heaven

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: thriller nofapping fanboi



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: pink sweet tailpipe



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: umber razzle stage pistol



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: filthy useless brakes therapy



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: filthy useless brakes therapy



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#48564541)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: infuriating blood rage whorehouse

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: marvelous kitchen sandwich

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: marvelous kitchen sandwich

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: filthy useless brakes therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254823)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: cyan arousing mood office

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Low-t Magenta Parlour Rigor

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: cerebral godawful resort clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: honey-headed concupiscible patrolman internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Galvanic codepig

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Soggy hairy legs church

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: bull headed striped hyena indian lodge

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: bull headed striped hyena indian lodge

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Burgundy locus

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: cerebral godawful resort clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Galvanic codepig

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Burgundy locus

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Adulterous boyish tanning salon

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Burgundy locus

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Adulterous boyish tanning salon

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Soggy hairy legs church

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Dull degenerate mother

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: spectacular grizzly temple

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Stimulating silver psychic filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231440)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: free-loading cracking tank azn

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: chartreuse fantasy-prone mad-dog skullcap meetinghouse



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