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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Primrose State
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
french milk
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Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary
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Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
lavender cheese-eating base friendly grandma
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Low-t famous landscape painting
  10/06/21
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silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  02/12/22
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Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
underhanded crystalline cuckoldry
  06/15/18
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Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary
  06/15/18
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pink abnormal space
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
underhanded crystalline cuckoldry
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Abusive carnelian business firm masturbator
  06/15/18
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lime ticket booth
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Topaz very tactful tanning salon
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
dashing walnut headpube
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
drunken candlestick maker
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
lavender cheese-eating base friendly grandma
  06/15/18
sounds 180
underhanded crystalline cuckoldry
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lime ticket booth
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pink abnormal space
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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french milk
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pink abnormal space
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https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
pink abnormal space
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drunken candlestick maker
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fishy pervert school
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pink abnormal space
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fishy pervert school
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is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Razzle Peach Resort
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Burgundy mediation
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Burgundy mediation
  06/15/18
Explain
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fishy pervert school
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
galvanic pontificating station
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Vermilion Locale
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Big crotch coldplay fan
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pink abnormal space
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silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Ruby Locus
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
federal transparent area
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Insecure harsh karate
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Insecure harsh karate
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
silver seedy lodge athletic conference
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
stimulating opaque hell
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Big crotch coldplay fan
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Ruby Locus
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
stimulating opaque hell
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
startled native
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
stimulating opaque hell
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
startled native
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
federal transparent area
  02/12/21
lol no
Dull Cerebral Circlehead Pit
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how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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coral cracking giraffe new version
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Primrose State

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: french milk

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: lavender cheese-eating base friendly grandma

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Low-t famous landscape painting

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: underhanded crystalline cuckoldry

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253066)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: pink abnormal space



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: underhanded crystalline cuckoldry

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Abusive carnelian business firm masturbator

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: lime ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Topaz very tactful tanning salon

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: dashing walnut headpube

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: drunken candlestick maker

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: lavender cheese-eating base friendly grandma

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: underhanded crystalline cuckoldry

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: lime ticket booth



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: pink abnormal space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253696)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Elite Idiot Rehab

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253073)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: french milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253597)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: pink abnormal space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: pink abnormal space

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: drunken candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: fishy pervert school



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: pink abnormal space



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: fishy pervert school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231423)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Razzle Peach Resort

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Burgundy mediation

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Burgundy mediation

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: fishy pervert school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254823)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: galvanic pontificating station

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Vermilion Locale

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Big crotch coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: pink abnormal space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Ruby Locus

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: federal transparent area

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Insecure harsh karate

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Insecure harsh karate

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: stimulating opaque hell

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Big crotch coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Ruby Locus

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: stimulating opaque hell

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: startled native

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: stimulating opaque hell

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: startled native

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: federal transparent area

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Dull Cerebral Circlehead Pit

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Ivory comical jewess indian lodge

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: coral cracking giraffe new version



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: odious knife associate

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: silver seedy lodge athletic conference



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